Re: lion clean install

[William Windels]

Hello,
In the shop where I bought mi macbook in 2009, they told me that you can 
re-install (remove your hd) lion from the recovery-partition, booting with 
command+r.
The recovery-partition is a hidden partition so, should not be removed.
Burning a dvd is not necessary.

But, before I want to reinstall lion I would like to backup all my passwords.
This seems not that easy.
Also, I have a selfmade template for pages that is saved in my templates where 
I can open it from inside pages.
But , I can't find how to backup this.

Thx for your answers,
best regards,
William  
Op 30-jul.-2011, om 08:44 heeft Georges Zaynoun het volgende geschreven:

> I failed also to drag the installesd.dmg on the flash memory, I ended up 
> creating a dvd and on imac mc508 from mid last year it installed properly 
> using the clean install method, so as well on mac mini standard configuration 
> 2.4ghz and as of yet 2gb ram which will be upgraded to 8 like the imac.  The 
> weirdest and most difficult install was on the macbook 13inch white from 
> Februray 2009 when it was purchased, used same dvd to make a clean install 
> and it kept hanging on me after 24percent and kept saying downloading 
> additional components and when reaching 100percent a dialog box popped up 
> saying it failed to download.  I ended up putting snow leopard again then 
> upgraded it and finally used the contents of the dmg file to install and yes 
> it downloaded components and it is working fine.  If somebody can solve this 
> mistery of dragging the dmg file to the usb memory I would be more than 
> happy.  Wonder what happens if we format the flash drive in disk utility with 
> mac os x journalled choosing the guid layout and at the end copy the contents 
> of the dvd or install lion.app directly in the root of the flash drive 
> keeping the structure of course but we use finder instead, I didn't try it 
> and have no vision to tell about any logo of any sort just wanting to do it.  
> Finally how would one boot from the flash memory and the most important thing 
> how to know when to press command f5 as it doesn't make spinning sound that 
> stops like the dvd, any clues?
> 
> 
> Frustrated because I couldn't make a bootable lion flash drive.
> Original message:
>> Hey everyone, ok, here is my experience so far. One of my other macs is 
>> doing the install now. Purchased the app and downloaded it. Used disk 
>> utility to make a bootable DVD, also attempted to make a bootable flash 
>> drive, but disk utility seems to require you to drag the disk image to the 
>> destination, tried that but couldn't seem to get that to work. So I used 
>> super duper to clone the image to my flash drive, actually it's an 8 GB 
>> micro SD card and a card reader, but should be the same. Attempted to boot 
>> the mac using the flash drive first, that didn't seem to work, the apple 
>> logo displayed for a while, then the screen stayed blank, waited for about 
>> 15 minutes, then I decided to try the DVD I made. Having better luck with 
>> that, mac booted, started voiceover and used disk utility to erase my hard 
>> drive, since I want to do a clean install. Now comes the interesting part, 
>> it wants you to enter your apple ID and password, I guess to verify that you 
>> have purchased 10.7. There are actually 2 windows open here, one is the 
>> installer, and there is another window behind that where you need to enter 
>> your user name and password. I know a few users have had problems with this, 
>> to get around it, press control option function F2 twice. When booted from 
>> the DVD, the function keys are configured to do hardware functions. You need 
>> to do this key stroke twice, the first time reads the window title, the 
>> second time will open the window chooser menu where you can switch to the 
>> sign in window. After entering the user name and password, it's downloading 
>> components, I figured it would just use what was already on the DVD, it's 
>> probably downloading the same thing, but there doesn't seem to be a way 
>> around that. Also, the customize option was disabled, so hopefully it will 
>> not install all of the multilanguage support, since I don't really need that 
>> or all the print drivers. Not sure why the flash drive method did not work, 
>> but so far the DVD is working.
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Java

[Christopher Peppel]

Hi Folks,

I have heard that now you have to download Java for Lion from the Internet?  Is 
this true?  Thanks for any answer.

Chris

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Re: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

[Teresa Cochran]

Running without a display gives unpredictable and unreliable results, 
especially with Safari. Once you start VO from within your account, it should 
start up automatically when you log back in. You can leave it running when you 
exit your account. If you shut it down before you log out and don't restart it, 
it won't come back automatically when you log in.

HTH,
Teresa
On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Just upgraded to Lion and everything works satisfactorily, except that, when 
> I boot up, VO does not automatically come up after log in.
> 
> VO works fine in the Login screen, but, won't automatically come on after 
> login.
> 
> I believe the problem may be that I am running without a display, since I'm 
> using a Mac Mini and this has worked ok, for the most part.
> 
> If there are any Mac Mini lion users out there, could you try booting up 
> without your display plugged in and see if VO comes up?  If it doesn't, you 
> should be able to hit cmd-f5 to get it to come up.
> 
> It's not enough to turn the monitor off, it needs to be disconnected to 
> duplicate the conditions I'm working under.
> 
> If this happens, can any of you suggest a work-around?  I can get an old 
> monitor and physically connect it.   It doesn't work, but, should provide the 
> hardware functionality needed to correct this problem, if that's what it is.
> 
> It's not a big deal, although I'm going to write to the accessibility team at 
> Apple to see what their thoughts are.
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List ordering and jumping around in mail

[John Chilelli]

Hi all!

A couple of things in mail to ask you guys about:

First of all, I tried reordering list order in mail as desending so that when I 
deleted a message the next message in order would automatically be the next 
message vo sees.  But when I did that, I wasn't able to delete anything at all 
and vo would lost focus.  Then, when I went back to reset the list order to 
ascending, even though vo reported that there was 19 items in the I think it 
was the message menu, only the first 12 items were shown.  I mean, the rest of 
the menu items just disappeared.  Can someone please give some pointers on how 
to set mail up so mail processing is easier expedited?

For now, just one more question:

Where do I go to disable automatic spell checking in mail?

More questions to come of course, 

Lovin' my Mac BP!

Johnny  "Cakes"Chilelli

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Re: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

[Joseph Norton]

Hi:

You're right.  VoiceOver is supposed to start once it's run, as long
as it's not turned off.

This was its behavior in Snow Leopard, regardless of the presence or
absence of a monitor.

However, they must have changed something in Lion that keeps this from
happening.

Here's another thing to note.

When I press Command-f5, VO starts and I hear something like
"comm.apple.dock.extra".

Wonder if this has anything to do with this.

I will try to get an old monitor of mine to see if having the hardware
present helps.   I believe it will.

On 7/30/11, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> Running without a display gives unpredictable and unreliable results,
> especially with Safari. Once you start VO from within your account, it
> should start up automatically when you log back in. You can leave it running
> when you exit your account. If you shut it down before you log out and don't
> restart it, it won't come back automatically when you log in.
>
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Just upgraded to Lion and everything works satisfactorily, except that,
>> when I boot up, VO does not automatically come up after log in.
>>
>> VO works fine in the Login screen, but, won't automatically come on after
>> login.
>>
>> I believe the problem may be that I am running without a display, since
>> I'm using a Mac Mini and this has worked ok, for the most part.
>>
>> If there are any Mac Mini lion users out there, could you try booting up
>> without your display plugged in and see if VO comes up?  If it doesn't,
>> you should be able to hit cmd-f5 to get it to come up.
>>
>> It's not enough to turn the monitor off, it needs to be disconnected to
>> duplicate the conditions I'm working under.
>>
>> If this happens, can any of you suggest a work-around?  I can get an old
>> monitor and physically connect it.   It doesn't work, but, should provide
>> the hardware functionality needed to correct this problem, if that's what
>> it is.
>>
>> It's not a big deal, although I'm going to write to the accessibility team
>> at Apple to see what their thoughts are.
>>
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
I'm still on sl and have just upgraded to safari 5.1 and a couple of other 
updates!
I did not update Itunes yet, but I've already noticed that safari issue on mine 
so I think it is indeed a safari thing!
And I've also got that reading all misspelled words in mail when just going 
through the list!
So annoying hope they fix that!
All the best!
Colin

On 30 Jul 2011, at 06:56, Shen wrote:

> Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
> installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of Safari 
> 5.1.
> I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
> Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content automatically.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
>> curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
>> session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
>> page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
>> 
>> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser 
>> is supposed to go directly to it.
>> 
>> 2.  I was noticing the behaviour described above even before I installed 
>> Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion 
>> came out.
>> 
>> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will 
>> be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
>> differently?  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: InfoVox fix for Lion

[André Nuno Soares]

Hello Missy,

Sorry for replying so late.

The "fix" runs the "Infovox iVox.app" with administration privileges, because 
that's the only way in Lion for it to write the license key to the file that is 
checked when you use the voices.

This means that if you registered your voices in Snow Leopard and then upgraded 
to Lion this file will already exist, so you won't need to run "Infovox 
iVox.app", and therefore no need for the fix.

Except if you buy additional voices. Then when you go in Lion to register them 
you'll need it.

Anyway, this is supposed to be permanently fixed in a free update coming out 
soon.


HTH,
André

On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Hmm. I wonder what this file does. I installed lion, and my infovox voices 
> worked just fine. Admittedly, I just did the
> upgrade, so maybe that's why. I'll still download this file in case I need it 
> in the future. Am currently back to using snow
> leopard, so perhaps I will need this next time I attempt to use lion.
> Thanks for sharing.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of André Nuno Soares
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: InfoVox fix for Lion
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> My apologies if this has already been discussed, but I'm a bit behind on my 
> mails.
> 
> If you have InfoVox iVox voices from www.assistiveware.com, you'll need to 
> download their fix to be able to register those
> voices in lion:
> http://www.assistiveware.com/voicedownload.php
> 
> 
> HTH,
> André
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RE: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! I'm still running SL, but have the updated saphari. I can tell you that 
this particular problem is not lion-related. The
new saphari just isn't as intuitive as the previous version was. It's not a 
huge deal for me just because I was still
learning it, so didn't have any established habits in using it or anything, but 
on the other hand, it seems a lot harder for
a newbie to use than it used to be. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but I 
just wanted to say that this is one problem
which, at least so far as I can tell, has absolutely nothing to do with lion.
Missy

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Shen
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of
Lion, or because of Safari 5.1.
I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with
html content automatically.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
> curser doesn't go directly to my home page.
Every time I open a page in a session where that happens, I have to manually 
interact with each and every page.  Keep in mind
the following two facts.
>
> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser is 
> supposed to go directly to it.
>
> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed Lion 
> and was using the latest Safari version just
issued the same day Lion came out.
>
> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will be 
> fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a
setting I might adjust differently?  Thanks.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
>
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>
>
>
>
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RE: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! I don't know if the moniter will help or not. I got the com.apple.doc.extra 
thing on my macbook pro while I had Lion
installed. I know it's a simple thing to get rid of, but it drove me bananas, 
and is 1 of the reasons I chose to go back to
snow leopard for the time being. Lion always started talking automatically, 
eventually, but I was always stuck in that
com.apple.doc.extra thing. I really, really hope that that problem gets fixed 
in a future lion release. Good luck, and I hope
you're able to get it working.
Missy


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

Hi:

You're right.  VoiceOver is supposed to start once it's run, as long
as it's not turned off.

This was its behavior in Snow Leopard, regardless of the presence or
absence of a monitor.

However, they must have changed something in Lion that keeps this from
happening.

Here's another thing to note.

When I press Command-f5, VO starts and I hear something like
"comm.apple.dock.extra".

Wonder if this has anything to do with this.

I will try to get an old monitor of mine to see if having the hardware
present helps.   I believe it will.

On 7/30/11, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> Running without a display gives unpredictable and unreliable results,
> especially with Safari. Once you start VO from within your account, it
> should start up automatically when you log back in. You can leave it running
> when you exit your account. If you shut it down before you log out and don't
> restart it, it won't come back automatically when you log in.
>
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Just upgraded to Lion and everything works satisfactorily, except that,
>> when I boot up, VO does not automatically come up after log in.
>>
>> VO works fine in the Login screen, but, won't automatically come on after
>> login.
>>
>> I believe the problem may be that I am running without a display, since
>> I'm using a Mac Mini and this has worked ok, for the most part.
>>
>> If there are any Mac Mini lion users out there, could you try booting up
>> without your display plugged in and see if VO comes up?  If it doesn't,
>> you should be able to hit cmd-f5 to get it to come up.
>>
>> It's not enough to turn the monitor off, it needs to be disconnected to
>> duplicate the conditions I'm working under.
>>
>> If this happens, can any of you suggest a work-around?  I can get an old
>> monitor and physically connect it.   It doesn't work, but, should provide
>> the hardware functionality needed to correct this problem, if that's what
>> it is.
>>
>> It's not a big deal, although I'm going to write to the accessibility team
>> at Apple to see what their thoughts are.
>>
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RE: InfoVox fix for Lion

[Missy Hoppe]

Hi! Thanks for clearing that up. For now, I'm not running lion, but like I 
said, I've saved the file in case I end up needing
it whenever I do decide to try a clean lion install.
Have a great day!
Missy


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of André Nuno Soares
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: InfoVox fix for Lion

Hello Missy,

Sorry for replying so late.

The "fix" runs the "Infovox iVox.app" with administration privileges, because 
that's the only way in Lion for it to write the
license key to the file that is checked when you use the voices.

This means that if you registered your voices in Snow Leopard and then upgraded 
to Lion this file will already exist, so you
won't need to run "Infovox iVox.app", and therefore no need for the fix.

Except if you buy additional voices. Then when you go in Lion to register them 
you'll need it.

Anyway, this is supposed to be permanently fixed in a free update coming out 
soon.


HTH,
André

On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Hmm. I wonder what this file does. I installed lion, and my infovox voices 
> worked just fine. Admittedly, I just did the
> upgrade, so maybe that's why. I'll still download this file in case I need it 
> in the future. Am currently back to using
snow
> leopard, so perhaps I will need this next time I attempt to use lion.
> Thanks for sharing.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of André Nuno Soares
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:03 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: InfoVox fix for Lion
>
> Hello all,
>
> My apologies if this has already been discussed, but I'm a bit behind on my 
> mails.
>
> If you have InfoVox iVox voices from www.assistiveware.com, you'll need to 
> download their fix to be able to register those
> voices in lion:
> http://www.assistiveware.com/voicedownload.php
>
>
> HTH,
> André
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Re: Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

[Chris Westbrook]

I can confirm this.  Later today I'm going to look at the page more, I suspect 
they are using something other than a link or button to make that clickable, I 
suspect this is a website issue rather than a safari/webkit/lion issue.  I'm 
going to try it on windows and see how those screen readers handle it.
On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift card 
> for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using the 
> item chooser and the search function to find "gift certificates".  The latter 
> yields that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me "gift 
> certificates tab 2 of 4" I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What 
> does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
> Thanks.
> Christine
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Re: Lion recovery with voiceover

[William Windels]

Hello,
I think you can't use wifi from inside the repair program and, why should you 
do so?
Best regards william

Mvg
william Windels

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 29-jul.-2011 om 19:00 heeft Sakamoto Mitsugu  het volgende 
geschreven:

> Hello all.
> I tried os x lion recovery with voiceover.
> I use lion with voiceover Japanese Kyoko.
> I use iMac late 2010.
> start up recovery partition. and cmd-f5. the voiceover start up here.
> and then I want to connect Wi-Fi network. but I don't understand connect 
> wi-fi network to use voiceover.
> vo-m m is not work.
> what will be  doing solved this problem? 
> 
> thanks so a lot.
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Web item rotor

[Adie]

Hi

I was missing the visited and non-visited links from the SL version of
the rotor, So was pleased to find I could add these categories to the
Lion rotor. However, VO doesn't speak what the links are to. Am I
doing something wrong? There doesn't seem to be much point in being
able to add these categories if it won't tell you what they are.

Thanks

A

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Re: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion

[Ray Foret Jr]

The comApple Extra thing still happens to me every single time I start my Mac 
book Pro.  Just a simple command+tab seems to get rid of that.

Mostly, though, I just leave my Mac book Pro on so Time machine can do it's 
thing.


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On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:44 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote:

> Hi! I don't know if the moniter will help or not. I got the 
> com.apple.doc.extra thing on my macbook pro while I had Lion
> installed. I know it's a simple thing to get rid of, but it drove me bananas, 
> and is 1 of the reasons I chose to go back to
> snow leopard for the time being. Lion always started talking automatically, 
> eventually, but I was always stuck in that
> com.apple.doc.extra thing. I really, really hope that that problem gets fixed 
> in a future lion release. Good luck, and I hope
> you're able to get it working.
> Missy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:26 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Problem with VoiceOver not starting in Lion
> 
> Hi:
> 
> You're right.  VoiceOver is supposed to start once it's run, as long
> as it's not turned off.
> 
> This was its behavior in Snow Leopard, regardless of the presence or
> absence of a monitor.
> 
> However, they must have changed something in Lion that keeps this from
> happening.
> 
> Here's another thing to note.
> 
> When I press Command-f5, VO starts and I hear something like
> "comm.apple.dock.extra".
> 
> Wonder if this has anything to do with this.
> 
> I will try to get an old monitor of mine to see if having the hardware
> present helps.   I believe it will.
> 
> On 7/30/11, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> Running without a display gives unpredictable and unreliable results,
>> especially with Safari. Once you start VO from within your account, it
>> should start up automatically when you log back in. You can leave it running
>> when you exit your account. If you shut it down before you log out and don't
>> restart it, it won't come back automatically when you log in.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Teresa
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> Just upgraded to Lion and everything works satisfactorily, except that,
>>> when I boot up, VO does not automatically come up after log in.
>>> 
>>> VO works fine in the Login screen, but, won't automatically come on after
>>> login.
>>> 
>>> I believe the problem may be that I am running without a display, since
>>> I'm using a Mac Mini and this has worked ok, for the most part.
>>> 
>>> If there are any Mac Mini lion users out there, could you try booting up
>>> without your display plugged in and see if VO comes up?  If it doesn't,
>>> you should be able to hit cmd-f5 to get it to come up.
>>> 
>>> It's not enough to turn the monitor off, it needs to be disconnected to
>>> duplicate the conditions I'm working under.
>>> 
>>> If this happens, can any of you suggest a work-around?  I can get an old
>>> monitor and physically connect it.   It doesn't work, but, should provide
>>> the hardware functionality needed to correct this problem, if that's what
>>> it is.
>>> 
>>> It's not a big deal, although I'm going to write to the accessibility team
>>> at Apple to see what their thoughts are.
>>> 
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Re: Web item rotor

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Adie!
Well I do not know what happened to your version of web rota on sl, but I've 
always had the options to add and remove items that appear in the rota!
But as for your problem now!
I'm only guessing but could it be that since you've changed the settings you 
have not been to any links for them to show up!
If you have and they still do not show and you've not already tried this, just 
try a restart and see if this does the trick!
hth Colin

On 30 Jul 2011, at 12:38, Adie wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I was missing the visited and non-visited links from the SL version of
> the rotor, So was pleased to find I could add these categories to the
> Lion rotor. However, VO doesn't speak what the links are to. Am I
> doing something wrong? There doesn't seem to be much point in being
> able to add these categories if it won't tell you what they are.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> A
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Re: [Bulk] Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't usually use theitem chooser on web sites, but have tried it to test 
this, so far it's worked for me.
On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> I have found that VO+F can work well where Item chooser goes astray.  For 
> some reason, a few of us have found that the item chooser is no longer what 
> it once was; but, VO+f seems to be both more accurate and faster.  Give that 
> a whirl and let us know how you get on with that option.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift 
>> card for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using 
>> the item chooser and the search function to find "gift certificates".  The 
>> latter yields that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me "gift 
>> certificates tab 2 of 4" I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What 
>> does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
>> Thanks.
>> Christine
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Re: [Bulk] Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

[Cody]

Mike, if you wouldn't mind me asking you, could I add you on skype? I tried 
searching for your call handle and I couldn't find youthat is, if you 
wouldn't mind chatting with me about a few things.


Thanks
Cody
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Arrigo" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Extremely frustrating problem on Web site


I don't usually use theitem chooser on web sites, but have tried it to test 
this, so far it's worked for me.

On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

I have found that VO+F can work well where Item chooser goes astray.  For 
some reason, a few of us have found that the item chooser is no longer 
what it once was; but, VO+f seems to be both more accurate and faster. 
Give that a whirl and let us know how you get on with that option.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift 
card for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried 
using the item chooser and the search function to find "gift 
certificates".  The latter yields that annoying error sound.  The item 
chooser tells me "gift certificates tab 2 of 4" I attempt to choose this 
and nothing happens. What does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue 
what is going on here?

Thanks.
Christine

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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Mike Arrigo]

One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and this 
will help to keep the focus on the web page.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:

> Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
> installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of Safari 
> 5.1.
> I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
> Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content automatically.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
>> curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
>> session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
>> page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
>> 
>> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser 
>> is supposed to go directly to it.
>> 
>> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed Lion 
>> and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion came 
>> out.
>> 
>> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will 
>> be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
>> differently?  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
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A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Bryan Jones]

Hi Folks,

I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes 10.4, but 
I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following specific behavior:
If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate through my 
songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my songs or left and 
right through the fields in each song. However, I experience no delays when 
navigating through my lists of Books, Movies, TV Shows or even through the 
contents of my playlist folders.

My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are smaller, 
but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having this issue in 
the previous version of iTunes running under SL.

This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The whole 
library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns, and any 
other options I could think of.

TIA,
Bryan

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Help with audiobook binder

[Shannon Dyer]

Hi, all.

I've installed audiobook binder, but seem to be having problems adding files. 
They add, but they aren't in the correct order. So, obviously, I don't want 
them to bind that way. How can I reorganize the order the files are in?

Just for clarification purposes, they're in the correct order in the folders on 
the mac, but, when they're added to the binder, the order changes. I'm not sure 
why.

Any help would be appreciated.

Shannon
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until 
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Re: Java

[Braille]

Yes. JAVA is not bundled to reduce the size of download.

On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:17 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have heard that now you have to download Java for Lion from the Internet?  
> Is this true?  Thanks for any answer.
> 
> Chris
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Re: Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

[Christine Grassman]

Thanks.  As mentioned, I did try Vo f the first time around, and as I have yet 
to take the Lion plunge, my item chooser is working just fine. My daughter 
tried it on her PC, and had a similar problem. Very odd, as the rest of the Web 
site seems to work perfectly fine.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote:

> I can confirm this.  Later today I'm going to look at the page more, I 
> suspect they are using something other than a link or button to make that 
> clickable, I suspect this is a website issue rather than a safari/webkit/lion 
> issue.  I'm going to try it on windows and see how those screen readers 
> handle it.
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift 
>> card for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using 
>> the item chooser and the search function to find "gift certificates".  The 
>> latter yields that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me "gift 
>> certificates tab 2 of 4" I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What 
>> does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
>> Thanks.
>> Christine
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Re: [Bulk] Extremely frustrating problem on Web site

[Christine Grassman]

Do you mean you tried it on the web site I indicated?  If not, the item chooser 
always has worked for me on other web sites; the problem is this particular web 
site and this particular search.  If I use the item chooser or vo plus f for 
other searches on the site, all works fine.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> I don't usually use theitem chooser on web sites, but have tried it to test 
> this, so far it's worked for me.
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> I have found that VO+F can work well where Item chooser goes astray.  For 
>> some reason, a few of us have found that the item chooser is no longer what 
>> it once was; but, VO+f seems to be both more accurate and faster.  Give that 
>> a whirl and let us know how you get on with that option.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never faced this one before.  I am attempting to purchase an e-gift 
>>> card for one of my daughter's friends at candyfavorites.com.  I tried using 
>>> the item chooser and the search function to find "gift certificates".  The 
>>> latter yields that annoying error sound.  The item chooser tells me "gift 
>>> certificates tab 2 of 4" I attempt to choose this and nothing happens. What 
>>> does this mean? What tabs? Anyone have a clue what is going on here?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Christine
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just curious

[Joseph Norton]

Hi list:

Something I've been curious about regarding ITunes is:  Why do they keep 
updating it so much.  Seems like  Apple has a new ITunes release every few 
hours.  ... Well, maybe not that much.

Anyone know why this happens?

Thanks to the Mac's update feature, I'm usually up-to-date, at least.

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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Kevin Shaw]

Brian,

I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB of 
RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my playlists is 
rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist, I have no issues. 

I'm wondering two things:
1.  In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted 
somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
2.  Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?

that's my shot in the dark.

Kevin
On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes 10.4, 
> but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following specific 
> behavior:
> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate through 
> my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my songs or left 
> and right through the fields in each song. However, I experience no delays 
> when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies, TV Shows or even through 
> the contents of my playlist folders.
> 
> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are 
> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having 
> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
> 
> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The whole 
> library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns, and any 
> other options I could think of.
> 
> TIA,
> Bryan
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Ray Foret Jr]

Thing is, if you disable the tool bar, how then to get to the download window 
if needed?  I suppose one could press the tool bar button and hope to still get 
there quick enough?


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On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
> disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and this 
> will help to keep the focus on the web page.
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:
> 
>> Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
>> installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of 
>> Safari 5.1.
>> I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
>> Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content automatically.
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the VO 
>>> curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page in a 
>>> session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and every 
>>> page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
>>> 
>>> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser 
>>> is supposed to go directly to it.
>>> 
>>> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed 
>>> Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion 
>>> came out.
>>> 
>>> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will 
>>> be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
>>> differently?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

If the database got corrupted, you wouldn't be able to use a "previous Itunes 
Library," folder file; if you tried to revert to 10.3, unless both the library 
and the library FILE were corrupted, you'd crash.An interesting experiment 
would be to roll back the Itunes LIbrary to the most recent previous version, 
but still use version 10.4 of the actual app.


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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, that does present a problem, in my case, I can see the lightson my router, 
otherwise, you would need to use the tool bar to get to the downloads window, 
probably no way around it.
On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Thing is, if you disable the tool bar, how then to get to the download window 
> if needed?  I suppose one could press the tool bar button and hope to still 
> get there quick enough?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
>> disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and this 
>> will help to keep the focus on the web page.
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
>>> installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of 
>>> Safari 5.1.
>>> I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
>>> Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content automatically.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
 Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the 
 VO curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page 
 in a session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each and 
 every page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
 
 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO curser 
 is supposed to go directly to it.
 
 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed 
 Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day Lion 
 came out.
 
 Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this will 
 be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
 differently?  Thanks.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[CJ Daniel]

Hi Guys,

Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes 
10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of 
ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole 
darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something goes 
bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I guess that's 
not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.

Good luck,

CJ


On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> Brian,
> 
> I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB of 
> RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my playlists is 
> rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist, I have no 
> issues. 
> 
> I'm wondering two things:
> 1.In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted 
> somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
> 2.Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
> 
> that's my shot in the dark.
> 
> Kevin
> On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes 10.4, 
>> but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following specific 
>> behavior:
>> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate through 
>> my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my songs or 
>> left and right through the fields in each song. However, I experience no 
>> delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies, TV Shows or even 
>> through the contents of my playlist folders.
>> 
>> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are 
>> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having 
>> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
>> 
>> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The whole 
>> library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns, and any 
>> other options I could think of.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Bryan
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Re: just curious

[Jon Cohn]

iTunes gets updated anytime there are interesting new features for iPhones or 
new media types or a security hole is found.  The problem with iTunes right now 
is that it has to manage too much...

1. Sync music, contacts, photos, home page,and applications to every type of 
iPhone and iPod touch.
2. Manage song / music / application / iPod  / Mac University / TV showpurchse 
and download.
3. Act as a player for all the above media types.

There are some rumours going around that iTunes is being re-engineered as 
separate programs or perhaps just completely being rewritten.

It really doesn't make much logical sense that you go into a music player to 
control application installs and refreshes to iPhones,so I could very easily 
see them migrating this code out of iTunes and into iSync (does iSync still 
exist in reality?)  Once upon a time iSync was used to push bluetooth contactts 
to your phone.

Jonathan

On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Hi list:
> 
> Something I've been curious about regarding ITunes is:  Why do they keep 
> updating it so much.  Seems like  Apple has a new ITunes release every few 
> hours.  ... Well, maybe not that much.
> 
> Anyone know why this happens?
> 
> Thanks to the Mac's update feature, I'm usually up-to-date, at least.
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Eric Brinkman]

I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
 The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
name to go to artists starting with that letter.

I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.

Eric

On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes
> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole
> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
>
> Good luck,
>
> CJ
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB
>> of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
>> playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist,
>> I have no issues.
>>
>> I'm wondering two things:
>> 1.   In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
>> somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
>> 2.   Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
>>
>> that's my shot in the dark.
>>
>> Kevin
>> On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
>>> 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
>>> specific behavior:
>>> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
>>> through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
>>> songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
>>> experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
>>> TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
>>>
>>> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
>>> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having
>>> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
>>>
>>> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
>>> whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns,
>>> and any other options I could think of.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Bryan
>>>
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Ricardo Walker]

I don't think this is the case.  I think the problem is voiceover specific.  I 
think the look of iTunes might have changed slightly.  I say this because this 
doesn't happen for those who don't use voiceover, and are just arrowing up and 
down there music playlist 

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

Brian,

I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB of 
RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my playlists is 
rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist, I have no issues. 

I'm wondering two things:
1.  In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted 
somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
2.  Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?

that's my shot in the dark.

Kevin
On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes 10.4, 
> but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following specific 
> behavior:
> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate through 
> my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my songs or left 
> and right through the fields in each song. However, I experience no delays 
> when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies, TV Shows or even through 
> the contents of my playlist folders.
> 
> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are 
> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having 
> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
> 
> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The whole 
> library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns, and any 
> other options I could think of.
> 
> TIA,
> Bryan
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Re: iTunes Keystroke Discovery

[CJ Daniel]

Ester,

Okay, that worked like a charm & I really appreciate the information.  However, 
maybe you can continue to be a ministering angel & fix the next problem I 
encountered.  After I sorted the album in to the original order & selected 
play, iTunes would only play the first song & repeat it.  I've selected "Don't 
repeat" on the Repeat button & I'm @ a loss.  Please remember that I am new to 
iTunes.

Any help would, again, be very much appreciated,

CJ

On Jul 29, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi CJ, 
> 
> To play an album in original track order, in the songs table of iTunes, 
> navigate to the column for "Album" and use the sort command 
> (VO+Shift+Backslash on an English input keyboard). You should be in list view 
> (Command+Option+3).  If "Album" is not one of the columns being displayed, 
> you can bring up the iTunes "View Options…" menu with Command+J and then 
> check the box for "Album" before closing the window with Command+w.  (You can 
> also do this by navigating to the menu bar with VO+m, pressing "v" to go to 
> the "View" menu, and arrowing down to "View Options…" if you forget the 
> shortcut).  The sort command is a toggle action and the first operation sorts 
> in ascending order, the second reverses the sort to descending order.
> 
> You can always select the tracks and use Command+Shift+n for "New Playlist 
> from Selection" to create a playlist in the listed order.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 07:18 PM, CJ Daniel wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Now if some one could just tell me how to play an album in the original 
>> track order, I'd be a happy camper...LOL Anyone? I mean absolutely @ all.
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you can still do this the difference is you can't be interacting with the table 
and, you don't hear voiceover announce where you are in the table.  I hope 
everyone is writing Apple about there issues.  Talking about it on list is fine 
but, i don't think it will accomplish much.

JMO.

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:

I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
name to go to artists starting with that letter.

I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.

Eric

On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes
> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole
> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB
>> of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
>> playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist,
>> I have no issues.
>> 
>> I'm wondering two things:
>> 1.   In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
>> somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
>> 2.   Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
>> 
>> that's my shot in the dark.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
>>> 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
>>> specific behavior:
>>> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
>>> through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
>>> songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
>>> experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
>>> TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
>>> 
>>> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
>>> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having
>>> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
>>> 
>>> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
>>> whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns,
>>> and any other options I could think of.
>>> 
>>> TIA,
>>> Bryan
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reporting bugs to apple

[James Walton]

hello everyone,

i was just reading the digest i get every day for this list, and i saw some 
things that said " I hope apple fixes these issues."
i have a question for everyone!
how do you expect apple to know about these issues?
i don't think they know about them now do you?
its very simple!
send an email to accessibil...@apple.com making sure to be detailed in what you 
have a problem with.
apple or there programers are not mind readers.
they need to know from there customers about problems.
what ever they may be.
i did my part now its time for the what, 700 or so members to contact apple 
about these issues!
that should do something!
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Barry Hadder]

Actually, there is a way to do what you are talking about.  However, it 
definitely doesn't work nearly as well as it did before.

When in the browser, type the letter or letters of the item you are wanting to 
find and route the vo cursor to the keyboard focus.  It works hear anyway.

It seems to me that vo isn't tracking the keyboard focus at all within tables 
or other objects that you have to interact with.  

Barry Hadder
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On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:

> I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
> the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
> I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
> The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
> down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
> without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
> name to go to artists starting with that letter.
> 
> I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to iTunes
>> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
>> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the whole
>> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
>> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
>> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> CJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>> 
>>> Brian,
>>> 
>>> I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8 GB
>>> of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
>>> playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library playlist,
>>> I have no issues.
>>> 
>>> I'm wondering two things:
>>> 1.  In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
>>> somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
>>> 2.  Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?
>>> 
>>> that's my shot in the dark.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
 specific behavior:
 If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
 through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
 songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
 experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
 TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
 
 My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
 smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having
 this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
 
 This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
 whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns,
 and any other options I could think of.
 
 TIA,
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Re: iTunes Keystroke Discovery

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Those buttons are a bit misleading.  When it says "don't repeat," it means that 
*IF* you push that button *NOW*, it won't repeat.  The button selects says what 
it WILL DO if you press it, not its current toggled state.


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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Eric Brinkman]

Also, the other day, I wanted to select a group of songs by pressing
shift-down arrow and move them to a playlist.  I couldn't tell whether
they were being highlighted or not because VO gave me no feedback.

Thanks for the information.

Eric

On 7/30/11, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> Actually, there is a way to do what you are talking about.  However, it
> definitely doesn't work nearly as well as it did before.
>
> When in the browser, type the letter or letters of the item you are wanting
> to find and route the vo cursor to the keyboard focus.  It works hear
> anyway.
>
> It seems to me that vo isn't tracking the keyboard focus at all within
> tables or other objects that you have to interact with.
>
> Barry Hadder
> bhad...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
>
>> I am experiencing the same issue and have the same configuration of
>> the MacBook Air as the initial poster.  Another problem I have is that
>> I can no longer select an artist via the first letter of his/her name.
>> The only way to browse the playlist browser is to VO-arrow up and
>> down.  Before I upgraded to Lion, I could just use the arrow keys
>> without quicknav and also just press the first letter of an artist's
>> name to go to artists starting with that letter.
>>
>> I'd appreciate a solution to this issue.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On 7/30/11, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> Just a note.  I was experiencing the same thing, after my upgrade to
>>> iTunes
>>> 10.4 with an approximately 2,000 song data base.  I've only got 2GB of
>>> ram--upgrading soon--on a 2009 MBP.  So, I bit the bullet, deleted the
>>> whole
>>> darned data base & rebuilt it.  No problems now.  So, my guess, something
>>> goes bump in the night with the music library with the 10.4 upgrade.  I
>>> guess that's not very scientific, but I'm happy with the results.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> CJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:
>>>
 Brian,

 I've experienced the exact same thing running on a mid-2009 MBP with 8
 GB
 of RAM, and SSD and running in Lion. Moving up and down through my
 playlists is rather speedy and other than the main music library
 playlist,
 I have no issues.

 I'm wondering two things:
 1. In upgrading to 104, did the iTunes music database get corrupted
 somehow and is this what is causing the sluggish performance?
 2. Is there a way to repair/rebuild the database?

 that's my shot in the dark.

 Kevin
 On 2011-07-30, at 11:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes
> 10.4, but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following
> specific behavior:
> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate
> through my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my
> songs or left and right through the fields in each song. However, I
> experience no delays when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies,
> TV Shows or even through the contents of my playlist folders.
>
> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are
> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall
> having
> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
>
> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The
> whole library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views,
> columns,
> and any other options I could think of.
>
> TIA,
> Bryan
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Teresa Cochran]

The downloads button is not in the toolbar, actually. I can access it fine when 
I hide the toolbar. Just use command-option-f and then VO-right till you come 
to it.

Teresa
On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Yes, that does present a problem, in my case, I can see the lightson my 
> router, otherwise, you would need to use the tool bar to get to the downloads 
> window, probably no way around it.
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Thing is, if you disable the tool bar, how then to get to the download 
>> window if needed?  I suppose one could press the tool bar button and hope to 
>> still get there quick enough?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
>>> disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and this 
>>> will help to keep the focus on the web page.
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
 installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of 
 Safari 5.1.
 I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
 Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content 
 automatically.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the 
> VO curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page 
> in a session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each 
> and every page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
> 
> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO 
> curser is supposed to go directly to it.
> 
> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed 
> Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day 
> Lion came out.
> 
> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this 
> will be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
> differently?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
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Examples of the Use of VO-shift-J in Lion?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

I'm not understanding the function of VO-shift-j, "link to pop-up item" in 
Lion. Could someone clarify this? Is it for web pages?

Thanks,
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Applemail vs. web-based GMail

[Eric Brinkman]

So I've been using GMail in my web browser for the last six years, but
the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
GMail in safari?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

It actually is in the toolbar, right along with the search field that pressing 
command option F brings you to.  I guess it just happens that this command, 
brings you to the toolbar regardless of if its shown or not.

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

The downloads button is not in the toolbar, actually. I can access it fine when 
I hide the toolbar. Just use command-option-f and then VO-right till you come 
to it.

Teresa
On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Yes, that does present a problem, in my case, I can see the lightson my 
> router, otherwise, you would need to use the tool bar to get to the downloads 
> window, probably no way around it.
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Thing is, if you disable the tool bar, how then to get to the download 
>> window if needed?  I suppose one could press the tool bar button and hope to 
>> still get there quick enough?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
>>> disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and this 
>>> will help to keep the focus on the web page.
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
 installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of 
 Safari 5.1.
 I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
 Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content 
 automatically.
 
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the 
> VO curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page 
> in a session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each 
> and every page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
> 
> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO 
> curser is supposed to go directly to it.
> 
> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed 
> Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day 
> Lion came out.
> 
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> will be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
> differently?  Thanks.
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Re: Applemail vs. web-based GMail

[Ricardo Walker]

Oh definitely.  I find using gmail in a browser something a kin to torture.  lol

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Eric Brinkman wrote:

So I've been using GMail in my web browser for the last six years, but
the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
GMail in safari?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Applemail vs. web-based GMail

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Hi, Eric,

I generally find mail clients much more navigable, especially when it comes to 
large amounts of messages. Apple Mail is set up to display conversations if you 
wish it to, and you can even use the delete key just once to wipe out an entire 
conversation. IMO, web interfaces are just plain clunky. I use them, but only 
in emergencies.

RSS feeds are a kind of median solution between the other two methods. You 
still have to go to the website to reply, etc. I suppose it's all a matter of 
personal preference.

HTH,
Teresa
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> the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
> read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
> Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
> GMail in safari?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Eric
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Re: a most paculiar Safari behavior

[Teresa Cochran]

Ah, ok. I sit corrected, then. In any case, it does work to do this, so all's 
well that ends well. :)

Teresa
On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It actually is in the toolbar, right along with the search field that 
> pressing command option F brings you to.  I guess it just happens that this 
> command, brings you to the toolbar regardless of if its shown or not.
> 
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> On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
> The downloads button is not in the toolbar, actually. I can access it fine 
> when I hide the toolbar. Just use command-option-f and then VO-right till you 
> come to it.
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that does present a problem, in my case, I can see the lightson my 
>> router, otherwise, you would need to use the tool bar to get to the 
>> downloads window, probably no way around it.
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Thing is, if you disable the tool bar, how then to get to the download 
>>> window if needed?  I suppose one could press the tool bar button and hope 
>>> to still get there quick enough?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
 One thing you might try, if you have the tool bar or bookmark bar showing, 
 disable these, the less clutter you have on the screen the better, and 
 this will help to keep the focus on the web page.
 On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Shen wrote:
 
> Hi, yes I am noticing this too. Although I am getting this more after I 
> installed Lion. I don't know if this is because of Lion, or because of 
> Safari 5.1.
> I have to manually interact with the html section more often than before. 
> Before, VoiceOver was better at interacting with html content 
> automatically.
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Okay.  Here's the thing I'm finding.  Sometimes, when I open Safari, the 
>> VO curser doesn't go directly to my home page.  Every time I open a page 
>> in a session where that happens, I have to manually interact with each 
>> and every page.  Keep in mind the following two facts.
>> 
>> 1.  I have my VO set so that with every web page that loads, the VO 
>> curser is supposed to go directly to it.
>> 
>> 2.  I was noticing the behavior described above even before I installed 
>> Lion and was using the latest Safari version just issued the same day 
>> Lion came out.
>> 
>> Anybody else notice this?  IF so, got any suggestions on whether this 
>> will be fixed in 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 or perhaps a setting I might adjust 
>> differently?  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
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all files

[Craig J Dunlop]

on the cartridge I use with my nls player when I plug it into my pc it has 3 
folders one of them is a . trashes and it is quite large. the file doesn't show 
up when I plug in to my macbook pro?
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Re: Applemail vs. web-based GMail

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Thanks.  Do you prefer RSS feeds or twitter feeds?  I know they don't
really serve the same purpose, but for following news I feel sorta
torn.  Twitter has interaction, but I find keeping up with everyone's
feeds to just take far too much time and there are a lot of tweets
that I just don't care about.

Eric

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>
> I generally find mail clients much more navigable, especially when it comes
> to large amounts of messages. Apple Mail is set up to display conversations
> if you wish it to, and you can even use the delete key just once to wipe out
> an entire conversation. IMO, web interfaces are just plain clunky. I use
> them, but only in emergencies.
>
> RSS feeds are a kind of median solution between the other two methods. You
> still have to go to the website to reply, etc. I suppose it's all a matter
> of personal preference.
>
> HTH,
> Teresa
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
>
>> So I've been using GMail in my web browser for the last six years, but
>> the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
>> read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
>> Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
>> GMail in safari?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Eric
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Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

[Eric Brinkman]

How are you using Spotify on the Mac via the mouse pointer?  I can do
this on windows via the Jaws curser, but haven't been able to do it on
the Mac.  I am going to instal Spotify on my virtual machine just so
that I can use it on my computer since I do love it on the iPhone.
The fact that so many applications are accessible on the iPhone, but
not on the mac is perplexing to me.  For example, on the iPhone, I can
use the full OKCupid site, but I cannot use it on the Mac.  I've ended
up using my virtual machine for lots of sites for this reason.

Eric

On 7/29/11, David Hole  wrote:
> Hi.
> This is somehow off-topic, but I try it anyway...
> Here's something JAWS-stuff I played around with, and it works ok for
> me and other here in Norway:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1394111/spotify-0.4.zip
> Put the files inside to your JAWS-settings-directory, and see if it helps.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:13, David Eagle 
> wrote:
>> I downloaded spotify for the Mac and foudn it completely inaccessible.
>> It had been a little accessible on windows . But then I tried it on
>> windows. Spotify updated itself and became completely inaccessible on
>> windows. I use Napster using the web interface on the Mac which is
>> more or less accessible, apart from the volume slider which voice-over
>> doesn't see.
>>
>> On 29/07/2011, David Hole  wrote:
>>> Hi again.
>>> When I select an artist, and press play, it plays all the songs thats
>>> listed, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.
>>> One of the purposes of Spotify is playlists. Make a playlist of the
>>> songs you want, and then ith shall play.
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> -David
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 07:04, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
 I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I
 don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right.
  Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I
 find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time?  I
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Re: Applemail vs. web-based GMail

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Eric,

As for myself, I honestly haven't used Twitter much, so I can't speak to its 
advantages. Apple Mail does have an RSS function that is set up with a folder 
in the mailbox list and RSS feeds associated with it. I truly like this setup a 
whole lot. I get American Public Broadcasting Service  shows this way.

HTH,
Teresa
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> Thanks.  Do you prefer RSS feeds or twitter feeds?  I know they don't
> really serve the same purpose, but for following news I feel sorta
> torn.  Twitter has interaction, but I find keeping up with everyone's
> feeds to just take far too much time and there are a lot of tweets
> that I just don't care about.
> 
> Eric
> 
> On 7/30/11, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> Hi, Eric,
>> 
>> I generally find mail clients much more navigable, especially when it comes
>> to large amounts of messages. Apple Mail is set up to display conversations
>> if you wish it to, and you can even use the delete key just once to wipe out
>> an entire conversation. IMO, web interfaces are just plain clunky. I use
>> them, but only in emergencies.
>> 
>> RSS feeds are a kind of median solution between the other two methods. You
>> still have to go to the website to reply, etc. I suppose it's all a matter
>> of personal preference.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Teresa
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Eric Brinkman wrote:
>> 
>>> So I've been using GMail in my web browser for the last six years, but
>>> the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
>>> read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
>>> Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
>>> GMail in safari?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Eric
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Re: A question about a specific example of slowness in iTunes 10.4

[Dan Roy]

yes, I am getting the same behavior.  The even more weird thing is if I don't 
use quicknav, it doesn't read anything at all. This is a little annoying since, 
when you use quicknav, some of the other hotkeys like left and right arrow 
won't move between songs.  Even when I do use quicknav, it's vary sluggish and 
I get a lot of busy messages.  is there an easy way to go back to 10.3?  I 
looked on the apple site,but, with 10.4, there doesn't seem to be a way of 
removing it.

I did a complete installation from scratch to try and resolve some other issues 
which it did.  Unfortunately, the iTunes problem seems to be vary bad indeed.

It is an iTunes issue though, because, if I boot up with the older installation 
of Lion that has 10.3, I don't experience this behavior.  Unfortunately, it's 
on an external drive which, of course, makes everything slower.


On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I think there's already been some discussion about slowness in iTunes 10.4, 
> but I'm wondering if other folks are experiencing the following specific 
> behavior:
> If I select "Music" in the sources list and then attempt to navigate through 
> my songs, it takes several seconds to VO up and down through my songs or left 
> and right through the fields in each song. However, I experience no delays 
> when navigating through my lists of Books, Movies, TV Shows or even through 
> the contents of my playlist folders.
> 
> My music library is 30GB, movies library is 10GB, other libraries are 
> smaller, but regardless of size or number of items, I don't recall having 
> this issue in the previous version of iTunes running under SL.
> 
> This is on a late 2010 macbook air with 4GB RAM and a speedy SSD. The whole 
> library is located on the SSD. I've tried changing views, columns, and any 
> other options I could think of.
> 
> TIA,
> Bryan
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xcode

[Patrick Neazer]

Hello list:

I know this question has been asked before so please indulge me. 

I was wanting some feedback on the accessibility of xcode. In SL or lion. 

What works ... what could stand some improvements ... what absolutely does not 
work if anything and what are some work arounds to those things which are 
questionable.

Thank you so much for your input.

Take good care and I wish you enough.

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Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard

[David Hole]

Hi.
Is it possible at all to use just the mouse-pointer on the Mac, like
JAWS can on Windows?
What if anyone can set up a petition to get Spotify on the Mac
accessible? I know some of you are more into this petition-stuff,
therefore I'm asking others to do that :)
-David

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> How are you using Spotify on the Mac via the mouse pointer?  I can do
> this on windows via the Jaws curser, but haven't been able to do it on
> the Mac.  I am going to instal Spotify on my virtual machine just so
> that I can use it on my computer since I do love it on the iPhone.
> The fact that so many applications are accessible on the iPhone, but
> not on the mac is perplexing to me.  For example, on the iPhone, I can
> use the full OKCupid site, but I cannot use it on the Mac.  I've ended
> up using my virtual machine for lots of sites for this reason.
>
> Eric
>
> On 7/29/11, David Hole  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> This is somehow off-topic, but I try it anyway...
>> Here's something JAWS-stuff I played around with, and it works ok for
>> me and other here in Norway:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1394111/spotify-0.4.zip
>> Put the files inside to your JAWS-settings-directory, and see if it helps.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 12:13, David Eagle 
>> wrote:
>>> I downloaded spotify for the Mac and foudn it completely inaccessible.
>>> It had been a little accessible on windows . But then I tried it on
>>> windows. Spotify updated itself and became completely inaccessible on
>>> windows. I use Napster using the web interface on the Mac which is
>>> more or less accessible, apart from the volume slider which voice-over
>>> doesn't see.
>>>
>>> On 29/07/2011, David Hole  wrote:
 Hi again.
 When I select an artist, and press play, it plays all the songs thats
 listed, so I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.
 One of the purposes of Spotify is playlists. Make a playlist of the
 songs you want, and then ith shall play.
 Hope that helps.
 -David

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> I had the chance to check that out by choosing an artist that I know I
> don't have any of in my personal collection. And yes, you're right.
>  Next question is, how do I set it up so that all the tunes that I
> find under an artist get played in a row instead of one at a time?  I
> heard one song followed by an ad.  I don't care about the commercials,
> but I would like to hear several songs in a row commercials are not. I
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Re: iTunes Keystroke Discovery

[CJ Daniel]

Mark,

Thanks!  That worked perfectly.  Very misleading however.  Seriously, I've been 
using the Mac for about 10-months now & no complaints.  Not one, "hey, windows 
was better."  And, that's after more than 20-years in the DOS & Windows world.  

But, I gotta say, for such a huge part of the Apple offering, iTunes is one of 
the least intuitive pieces of software I've ever worked with.  And, remember I 
was a programmer for years & not simply a email/internet user.  But, once you 
get it, it's okay.

Anyway, many thanks to you & Ester,

CJ

On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Those buttons are a bit misleading.  When it says "don't repeat," it means 
> that *IF* you push that button *NOW*, it won't repeat.  The button selects 
> says what it WILL DO if you press it, not its current toggled state.
> 
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managing a forum with mac

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hello; I've been looking into ways of stimulating traffic on my site  
and am considering adding a forum.  Could anyone on the list give me  
some advice as to a program to maintain it.  It would be best if it  
were fairly simple to install and incorporate into my existing site.   
Also, I'd appreciate any general advice on the subject of forums.   
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need a better photo gallery for my website

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hello;  for a while now I've been using the spgm photo gallery from  
soundforge.  It was easy to install and its easy to maintain.   
However, I can't find a way to include a thumbnail in the title of  
items.  this means people have to like the title or description well  
enough to click on the page of photos.  However, I have yet to find a  
replacement that would be easy to use on my mac.  I'm running leopard  
on about a 3 year old white mac book.  I don't have windows on this  
computer at all and don't want to.  any help would be greatly  
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speech loss

[joseph]

hi list

i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?

thank you in advance

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Re: Applemail vs. web-based GMail

[Joseph Norton]

Hi:

I haven't used the Web interface much, except to search for messages, for the 
most part.

However, I just set up filters in GMail and assigned labels to the messages 
that are filtered out.

Apple mail does a good job of treating these "labels" like mailboxes, so, when 
I open Apple mail, I can, for example, get my messages from this list in what 
looks like a separate mailbox called "Mac Visionaries" under the Gmail account. 
 This way, my Inbox is far less cluttered.

This has worked for me, as I some times experiment and re-install the OS, to 
familiarize myself with various configurations, and, one of the headaches was 
redoing my filters in Mail every time.

So far, this is working for me, and, I can use Mail on, say, 2 different 
partitions, one containing Snow Leopard, and the other containing Lion, without 
worrying about re-inventing the wheel.  It was a slight pain doing the filters 
and labels, but, it's over and set up in Google's servers, and, it works like a 
champ.

You should give it a try and see if it works for you.  Only you can be the 
judge.

Hth.



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> So I've been using GMail in my web browser for the last six years, but
> the large amount of discussion of apple mail as well as its ability to
> read RSS feeds has made me consider using it with my GMail account.
> Do you think it would give me a significant advantage over just using
> GMail in safari?
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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

[Paul Henrichsen]

Thanks, guys. It is the protected ones I an interested in. 
I can't tell for sure but handbrake looks accessible from what little I've 
seen. Haven't tried a DVD yet. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi Brett!
> Quite a while ago someone talked about a software called mac the ripper!
> It might do what you want [I don't know]
> And unless someone else give's you a link I'm afraid it's off to google for 
> you!
> hth Colin
> 
> On 29 Jul 2011, at 18:59, Brett C. wrote:
> 
>> DVD Remaster is accessible and works well, but it won't rip protected DVDs, 
>> which happens to be most movies you purchase and want to put into iTunes. :(
>> 
>> Brett C.
>> 
>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
>>> accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program 
>>> it was on sale for 90% off the list price.
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like 
 Handbrake. I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
 If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
 I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup 
 and put the original away for safe keeping.
 I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft 
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 Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on 
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Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

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> Thanks, guys. It is the protected ones I an interested in. 
> I can't tell for sure but handbrake looks accessible from what little I've 
> seen. Haven't tried a DVD yet. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:07 AM, "Red.Falcon"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Brett!
>> Quite a while ago someone talked about a software called mac the ripper!
>> It might do what you want [I don't know]
>> And unless someone else give's you a link I'm afraid it's off to google for 
>> you!
>> hth Colin
>> 
>> On 29 Jul 2011, at 18:59, Brett C. wrote:
>> 
>>> DVD Remaster is accessible and works well, but it won't rip protected DVDs, 
>>> which happens to be most movies you purchase and want to put into iTunes. :(
>>> 
>>> Brett C.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Paul,
 Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very 
 accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program 
 it was on sale for 90% off the list price.
 
 Doug
 
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> Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like 
> Handbrake. I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 
> If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?
> I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup 
> and put the original away for safe keeping.
> I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft 
> for windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.
> Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on 
> the mac?
> Thanks.
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Lion Mail

[Chris Moore]

Hi all,

I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?

At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
standard 3 column layout.

I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter 
to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various 
windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest 
window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  

I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply just 
uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this method 
and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  However, 
it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard.  
Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to 
move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread).  
interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way.

I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed 
they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the 
content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.

So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I 
like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then 
move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO 
will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail 
header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just 
either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take 
you back to the messages list to where you were in the list.

I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding 
down the command key and a number.  For more information about the new 
favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast.

I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly 
been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.

However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.

Chris 

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Re: Lion Mail

[Teresa Cochran]

I'm quite used to the new layout now, and feel comfortable with it, especially 
with the shortcut keys and favorites bar.

I don't expand the conversation first; I just use the tab key to go into it and 
navigate through it with the arrow keys.

VO-shift-home and end still work to take me to the top and bottom of the 
message list. I have a way that I can put my finger-pad on VO and shift keys so 
that it overlaps all of them at once, and it's like holding down one key with 
each hand.

Teresa
On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
> 
> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
> standard 3 column layout.
> 
> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
> 
> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply just 
> uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this method 
> and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
> way.
> 
> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
> 
> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation 
> I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and 
> then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press 
> VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading 
> the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages 
> list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again 
> which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list.
> 
> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
> podcast.
> 
> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly 
> been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
> 
> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
> 
> Chris 
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Re: Lion Mail

[Kevin Mattingly]

Chris,

Its good to see the ban has been lifted and you're no long providing useless 
babble to the list (JUst kidding).  All good stuff man and I'll switch and give 
it a try.

Kev
On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
> 
> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
> standard 3 column layout.
> 
> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
> 
> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply just 
> uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this method 
> and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
> way.
> 
> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
> 
> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation 
> I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and 
> then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press 
> VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading 
> the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages 
> list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again 
> which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list.
> 
> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
> podcast.
> 
> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly 
> been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
> 
> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
> 
> Chris 
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Re: Lion Mail

[Chris Moore]

Actually my ban was done in error and the moderator at the time apologised, 
however for some reason my group settings had been set to no mail (I know I 
never set that) so I have missed all the lovely posts about Lion.  So today I 
thought I best log into google to see what was going on.


On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:44, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Its good to see the ban has been lifted and you're no long providing useless 
> babble to the list (JUst kidding).  All good stuff man and I'll switch and 
> give it a try.
> 
> Kev
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
>> 
>> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
>> standard 3 column layout.
>> 
>> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
>> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
>> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
>> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
>> 
>> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
>> just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this 
>> method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
>> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
>> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
>> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
>> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
>> way.
>> 
>> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
>> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
>> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
>> 
>> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
>> conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right 
>> arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then 
>> press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips 
>> reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the 
>> messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J 
>> again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the 
>> list.
>> 
>> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
>> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
>> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
>> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
>> podcast.
>> 
>> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
>> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have 
>> mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
>> 
>> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
>> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
>> 
>> Chris 
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Re: Lion Mail

[Chris Moore]

Hey I had never used VO+Shift and the end or home keys, I have just tried this 
though and it works great!

Really pleased I checked my google settings now, as I really missed being able 
to quickly jump to the top or bottom of the messages list.

Chris 
On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:43, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> I'm quite used to the new layout now, and feel comfortable with it, 
> especially with the shortcut keys and favorites bar.
> 
> I don't expand the conversation first; I just use the tab key to go into it 
> and navigate through it with the arrow keys.
> 
> VO-shift-home and end still work to take me to the top and bottom of the 
> message list. I have a way that I can put my finger-pad on VO and shift keys 
> so that it overlaps all of them at once, and it's like holding down one key 
> with each hand.
> 
> Teresa
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?
>> 
>> At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new 
>> standard 3 column layout.
>> 
>> I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit 
>> enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in 
>> various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion 
>> the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.  
>> 
>> I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply 
>> just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this 
>> method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.  
>> However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the 
>> keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the 
>> arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages 
>> within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better 
>> way.
>> 
>> I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and 
>> indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages 
>> list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.
>> 
>> So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or 
>> conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right 
>> arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then 
>> press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips 
>> reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the 
>> messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J 
>> again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the 
>> list.
>> 
>> I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites 
>> function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by 
>> holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the 
>> new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent 
>> podcast.
>> 
>> I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about 
>> using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have 
>> mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.
>> 
>> However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my 
>> messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works.
>> 
>> Chris 
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RE: Good news for all writers

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jürgen and thank you for both posting this notice and for signing your
name to the end of your message.  I much prefer to respond to someone by
name.  

Scrivener sounds like a marvelous app that I will definitely explore.  I do
enjoy browsing the Mac App Store.  

To create eBooks, I use a program called Storyist.  I believe the cost is
about $30 and it is not yet available on the Mac App Store but the website
is:  www.storyist.com The programmer has added complete VoiceOver
accessibility for us.  

Mark




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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:51 PM
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Subject: Good news for all writers

Hi All,

here's a good news for all of you who likes to write textes, novels and so:
One of the most popular programs for writer is Scrivener. It provides you
with different styles to write manuscripts or even complete novels. The
latest version of Scrivener took a big step to get more accessible. I can
really recommend it to write your poetries or what ever.

More info in the Mac App Store or here:
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/

All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Lion Mail

[Bryan Jones]

Hello Chris,

After some initial hesitation, I have adopted the new mail layout and the VO+J 
keystroke to move back and forth between the message list and message body. 
While I used to use the Tab key to move between all sections of mail under SL, 
it seems to me that the tab key has lost some of it's functionality under Lion 
Mail, even in the classic mail layout. I like the fact that VO+J automatically 
interacts with the chosen item and allows me to use either standard VO keys or 
just arrow keys to navigate within the column or the message body. Also, the 
fact that I'm already interacting means I can use the VO+Shift+Home/End as 
Teresa mentioned, thus making a workable substitute for the missing 
Option+Up/Down keystroke. While I have adopted the Favorites bar, I'm not as 
excited about it as other folks are. Also, I haven't taken time yet to try the 
conversations feature, so I can't comment on it.

Overall, I am quite happy to have the expanded set of layout options and 
features found in Lion Mail.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> Hey I had never used VO+Shift and the end or home keys, I have just tried 
> this though and it works great!

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Music player

[Angie Giltinan]

Good evening all!
I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that iTunes 
was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, well, umm, 
iTunes really sucks in windows!
So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your music?
Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this particular 
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Re: Music player

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Hello Angie,

I personally use VLC and Cog for music playing. iTunes is fantastic, but there 
are times I just want to cue up a folder/playlist without first having to add 
it to my library. I use iTunes more as a means of organizing my iDevices than 
as an actual player of media.

Just a few thoughts to get you started, and congratulations on making the 
switch.


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On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:

> Good evening all!
> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
> the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your 
> music?
> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
> Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this particular 
> hill!
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Re: Music player

[Angie Giltinan]

Thanks for your suggestions, a few questions, if you don't mind?
are vlc and cog accessible, and when do you use which 
as for the switch from windows to mac, I'm really loving it! Alex as a voice is 
wonderful, and the fact that Vo comes preloaded on every mac is incredible! 
On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:37 PM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:

> Hello Angie,
> 
> I personally use VLC and Cog for music playing. iTunes is fantastic, but 
> there are times I just want to cue up a folder/playlist without first having 
> to add it to my library. I use iTunes more as a means of organizing my 
> iDevices than as an actual player of media.
> 
> Just a few thoughts to get you started, and congratulations on making the 
> switch.
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:
> 
>> Good evening all!
>> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
>> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
>> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
>> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
>> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer on 
>> the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing your 
>> music?
>> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
>> Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this particular 
>> hill!
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Re: Music player

[ShamelessFanGirl]

I recently upgraded to Lion, so currently use VLC more than Cog. With each, you 
open the app, press cmd O, browse to your desired music location, open it, and 
you're off and running. VLC has some unlabeled buttons, but you can take care 
of that via voiceover's labeling method. Both apps have keyboard shortcuts 
available for nearly every function of the respective player, and both are very 
accessible IMO. Also, and this is simply me being me, but I love the 
customizable EQ in VLC. Made me run out and buy amazing speakers for my Mac. :D

Again, I hope that helps.

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:

> Thanks for your suggestions, a few questions, if you don't mind?
> are vlc and cog accessible, and when do you use which 
> as for the switch from windows to mac, I'm really loving it! Alex as a voice 
> is wonderful, and the fact that Vo comes preloaded on every mac is 
> incredible! 
> On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:37 PM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:
> 
>> Hello Angie,
>> 
>> I personally use VLC and Cog for music playing. iTunes is fantastic, but 
>> there are times I just want to cue up a folder/playlist without first having 
>> to add it to my library. I use iTunes more as a means of organizing my 
>> iDevices than as an actual player of media.
>> 
>> Just a few thoughts to get you started, and congratulations on making the 
>> switch.
>> 
>> 
>> Foursquare: IndigoCellist
>> 
>> Twitter: @IndigoCellist
>> 
>> Skype: shameless_FanGirl
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Angie Giltinan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Good evening all!
>>> I'm a new mac user, fresh from the windows world, so when I learned that 
>>> iTunes was the default music player on the mac, I sort of panicked since, 
>>> well, umm, iTunes really sucks in windows!
>>> So, here's my question, what do you all use to play mp3's and ogg files?
>>> do you just stick with iTunes, which admitedly, is much better, and nicer 
>>> on the mac, or is there a third party software you all like for playing 
>>> your music?
>>> Thanks in advance for any and all feedback!
>>> Angie and Guide dog Essence, and lazy cat Caleb! the king of this 
>>> particular hill!
>>> 
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searching for mail in lion with classic layout

[johns.kary]

Hi guys,
How do you search for an email in the new mail using the classic layout?

In SL all you had to do was type the search in the search box.  That seams to 
have been removed in lion, and cmd F brings up a search feature that doesn't 
seam to do anything.  

Can anyone help?

And I do apologise in advance if  I don't reply or thank someone, I haven't 
quite got the hang of the new mail yet, so I am missing some emails if my inbox 
is over full. As it is at the moment! lol.
Thanks,
Kari. 

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Where's Front Row in Lion?

[Kevin Shaw]

HI list,

Anyone know what happened to Front Row in Lion?¬ It doesn't seem to be anywhere 
on my Mac. 

If there's somewhere I can download it again from Apple, I'd appreciate any 
info.

Thanks,
Kevin

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RE: managing a forum with mac

[M. Taylor]

Hello Max,

You Wrote:
"Hello; I've been looking into ways of stimulating traffic on my site  
and am considering adding a forum.  Could anyone on the list give me  
some advice as to a program to maintain it.  It would be best if it  
were fairly simple to install and incorporate into my existing site.   
Also, I'd appreciate any general advice on the subject of forums.   
Thanks."

Max,
While your question is an excellent one, I think there are too many
variables to take into account in order to provide any meaningful feedback
on-list.  The answer to your question depends on things such as how your
site is hosted, what level of back-end access do you have to your server,
the type of content management system, if any, you use, etc.  

If you send me a contact telephone number, off-list, and the best times to
reach you, I will be happy to discuss this with you on the phone.  

Mark




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Subject: managing a forum with mac

Hello; I've been looking into ways of stimulating traffic on my site  
and am considering adding a forum.  Could anyone on the list give me  
some advice as to a program to maintain it.  It would be best if it  
were fairly simple to install and incorporate into my existing site.   
Also, I'd appreciate any general advice on the subject of forums.   
Thanks, Max 

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RE: speech loss

[M. Taylor]

Hello Joe,

You wrote: 
" i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?"

Joe,
Did you ever get speech restored back to your iMac?  If so, what was the
problem?

Mark




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Subject: speech loss

hi list

i lost speach for some reason on my iMack, how to get it back please?

thank you in advance

best

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RE: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

[M. Taylor]

You Wrote:

 

"What size files does handbreak put these files in?"

 

Answer,

The resulting file size will depend upon the type of format to which you
choose to rip.

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Looking for an accessible DVD ripper

 

What size files does handbreak put these files in?  

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On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:





Thanks, guys. It is the protected ones I an interested in. 
I can't tell for sure but handbrake looks accessible from what little I've
seen. Haven't tried a DVD yet. 

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On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:07 AM, "Red.Falcon"
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Hi Brett!

Quite a while ago someone talked about a software called mac the ripper!

It might do what you want [I don't know]

And unless someone else give's you a link I'm afraid it's off to google for
you!

hth Colin

 

On 29 Jul 2011, at 18:59, Brett C. wrote:

 

DVD Remaster is accessible and works well, but it won't rip protected DVDs,
which happens to be most movies you purchase and want to put into iTunes. :(

 

Brett C.

 

On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

 

Hi Paul,

Check out dvd remaster. This program should do what you want and is very
accessible. I'm not sure how much it is because when I bought the program it
was on sale for 90% off the list price.

 

Doug

 

On 2011-07-29, at 1:42 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

 

Hi, guys. I am looking for an accessible DVD cloning program like Handbrake.
I want to convert DVD's to m4v files I can copy to my iPhone. 

If handbrake is accessible, that's great; but is there a better one?

I'd also like a program which will clone the DVD so I can have a backup and
put the original away for safe keeping.

I have clone DVD and Clone DVD mobile along with Any DVD HD from slysoft for
windows, but they are totally inaccessible under windows.

Is there something similar to the slysoft programs that is accessible on the
mac?

Thanks.

 

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RE: Where's Front Row in Lion?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Kevin,

Front Row is no longer available in Lion. Apple decided to take it out for
some reason.



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Subject: Where's Front Row in Lion?

HI list,

Anyone know what happened to Front Row in Lion?¬ It doesn't seem to be
anywhere on my Mac. 

If there's somewhere I can download it again from Apple, I'd appreciate any
info.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: Where's Front Row in Lion?

[Esther]

Hi Kevin,

Front Row was removed under Lion.  There's a way to get it back, but if you 
have updated to iTunes 10.4, the new framework used for the iTunes Library 
music content prevents them from playing in Front Row.  If you want to read 
about this, the primary web page is Ralph Perdomo's "Front Row Enabler for 
Lion" site:

http://www.mac-hatter.com/blog/frontrowenablerforlion

This contains a download link to a "FrontRow Enable for Lion.pkg" that was 
built from 5 files from Snow Leopard (for those who do not want to separately 
copy over these files from your backup disks and build a package):
/System/Library/CoreServices/Front Row.app
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/BackRow.framework
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/iPhotoAccess.framework
/System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.RemoteUI.plist
/Applications/Front Row.app

However, as the author notes in his updated blog, as long as you use iTunes 
10.4 this implementation of Front Row will only work to play movies and photos, 
since the new music framework is not compatible with the old Front Row 
implementation.  You can probably Google for other discussions of the decision 
to drop Front Row support in Lion.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jul 30, 2011, at 18:45, Kevin Shaw wrote:

> HI list,
> 
> Anyone know what happened to Front Row in Lion?¬ It doesn't seem to be 
> anywhere on my Mac. 
> 
> If there's somewhere I can download it again from Apple, I'd appreciate any 
> info.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 

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RE: Lion Mail

[M. Taylor]

Hello Chris,  

 

You are quite correct in that using the Tab key to switch to the Message
Contents area of Lion Mail, in the non-classic view may result in the text
of the message not being automatically read.  

 

Since recording the podcast on how I use Lion Mail, instead of using
single-key navigation, exclusively, I now employ the following technique:  

 

1.

With conversations collapsed, press the Tab key to jump to the Message
Contents area (as described in the podcast).  Generally, the text of the
first message encountered will be read automatically. 

 

2.

Instead of using either the left or right arrow key to quickly switch
between messages in the thread, add the VoiceOver key and each messasge in
the thread will be read automatically. That is use VO+LeftArrow and VO+
RightArrow.  

 

Even with conversations collapsed, using VO+J will jump one directly into
the text of the selected/displayed message; however, should one use the jump
command from the messages table, the VO+Arrow key method of switching
between messages in the thread will not work unless one stops interacting
with the text of the message.  

 

As for me, I use a combination of all of these techniques excluding opening
the conversation from the messages table.

 

In short, there is no silver bullet here; each person has to find her/his
own way in deciding how best to use Lion Mail.  

 

Those who may not have heard the podcast to which I am referring may
 Click Here to go to the BLOG posting containing the show.

 

Chris, it's good to see you posting on-list.

 

Mark

 

 

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Lion Mail

 

Hi all,

 

I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail?

 

At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new
standard 3 column layout.

 

I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit
enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in
various windows.  The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion
the newest window opens in the front.  So I have stopped using this method.


 

I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail.  He simply
just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns.  I tried this
method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message.
However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the
keyboard.  Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the
arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages
within the thread).  interesting approach, but I think I have found a better
way.

 

I looked to  see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and
indeed they have.  Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages
list and the content of the message.  I tried this and it works great.

 

So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or
conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right
arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then
press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips
reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the
messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J
again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the
list.

 

I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites
function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by
holding down the command key and a number.  For more information about the
new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent
podcast.

 

I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about
using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have
mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard.

 

However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my
messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer
works.

 

Chris 

 

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Ripping vinyl to digital music formats on theMac [was Re: a music question]

[Esther]

Hi Carolyn,

This is a somewhat late reply to your query on saving music from LPs to digital 
format.

Eric Caron did a nice podcast on Blind Cool Tech describing how to use Amadeus 
Pro to digitize his old LPs:  "Amadeus Pro Vinyl to CD" (January 27, 2010).  
The following link may work, or you may have to go back to the Blind Cool Tech 
web pages:
http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1436AmadeusProVinylToCD.mp3

Eric outlined all the steps in detail, and he also used a Griffin iMic:
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic
Allison also has a podcast giving an overview of Amadeus Pro on her web site:
http://gwenna.podbean.com
(Type "Amadeus Pro" into the search box on that site to find the episode)

I think Eric's podcast will answer most of the questions you have.  Since you 
mention wanting to get the very best sound quality out of classical music LPs, 
instead of the Griffin iMic, you might want to use an external sound card, such 
as an M-Audio Fast Track or Fast Track Pro (recently discussed on list).  
Amadeus Pro is now up to Amadeus Pro 2, but they also still have the original 
version, and they also have 30-day free trials, if you don't already have it.  
I like the way you can "de-noise" tracks by selecting a section of "blank" 
track, then letting the program analyze the characteristics and apply them to 
de-noising selected regions that you want to clean up.  Since you can sample 
the results, and undo the changes if you don't like results, this works very 
well.  However, this method is really better for removing tape hiss than for 
cleaning up cracks and pops in LPs. 

There was a good TidBITS article on this:
• "Media Creation - Transferring Vinyl LPs to Digital: One Approach" by Matt 
Neuberg 10 Mar 2010
http://tidbits.com/article/11072 
Matt Neuberg links to a suggested external device at Sweetwater -- a TASCAM 
US-144mkII for $139.95 to provide better quality audio A/D conversion than 
simply plugging into your laptop's audio or USB input and handling it that way. 
 (These are links that appear within the main article, and you have to follow 
them to find out the device details).  

The article outlines other considerations and details behind his decisions.  
You don't have to follow these options, and using the steps that Eric took in 
his BCT podcast just using Amadeus Pro may be enough for you.  But a read 
through of the article will certainly answer your questions about what other 
steps you can take to get the very best sound quality, how much work/expense is 
involved, and what the trade-offs are.  For example, I know someone who started 
recording with the Griffin iMic on the old macvisionaries list (pre-2009), and 
then decided she wanted the better recording quality of a separate sound card.  
Having a specific, direct link to a reasonably priced product ($140 for an 
external unit that works for Mac laptops and is current, including shipping), 
and knowing that someone has vetted as working in this setup is quite useful, 
even if you decide this is not for you.  And you don't have to switch to 
multiple apps for the sound recording, editing, and cleaning stages as the 
author does.

The main additional issues you may want to consider, beyond what Eric covered 
in his BCT podcast, are what additional steps you want to take in cleaning your 
classical music tracks.  Some music aficionados use a product from Bias called 
Sound Soap to clean their music.  The problem is, Bias software products and 
their iOS apps have not been particularly accessible.  Bias has a new product 
called SoundSaver in the Mac App Store that they bill as being "the simplest 
way to archive your LPs and tapes".  Given my suspicions about the 
accessibility of their products, if you want to give this a test, I'd 
recommending using the link to their 14-day free download trial before spending 
money for this (around $50).  Here's the SoundSaver URL:
http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundSaver/

There was also some earlier discussions on list about de-noising products:
• Audio Restoration page by Brian Davies:

http://www.maths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/

I think the above URL is now redirected to:

http://www.clickrepair.net/

This is a page about restoring recordings from LPs and tapes that you  
digitally capture.  The author, Brian Davies, has developed software  
products for both click repair of LPs and de-noising hiss.  (I haven't  
tried these, so I don't know how they work under VoiceOver).  There  
are sound samples, and the results sound impressive.  There are links  
to his software (each is about $40, but I think there are free trials)  
for ClickRepair, and DeNoise.  There are also links to web pages about  
digitizing LPs and tapes.  The author is a retired math professor who  
developed this software for saving his own recordings.

According to some earlier discussions in the TidBITS discussions on Audio 
Processing Software, these are generally esteemed as some of the best and most 
ef

PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Bejarano, Rafael P.]

Hi all,

I am in need of a program that converts pdf files to text files.  Can anyone 
here recommend such an app?

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

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Re: PDF to text converterS, anyone?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Rafael,
While I cannot speak to an application, I can speak of a source that may 
work for you.

this organization,
www.robobraille.org
will convert pdf files into any number of formats via e-mail.  The site is 
not as complete as to their services, they do more than they list.

for example if you email
conv...@robobraille.org

with
text
in the subject line,
Attaching the file to the email,
you will get back a converted text document.
I tend to be a little selective about my text, so personally I have them 
convert to rtf, run a utility here on shellworld that changes the rtf 
into html, then run the html file through lynx for lovely text.
may be more steps than you desire though, especially if you do not have 
access to the lynx text browser.

If you have questions, sing away,
Karen

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Hi all,

I am in need of a program that converts pdf files to text files.  Can anyone 
here recommend such an app?

Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano

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