date:20110513

Hi Rose!
Further to what Tim said!
After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got to 
one of the items to select then just press command+space!
You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
forget to unlock vo keys with the same command as you used to lock them!
And put on cursor tracking!
hth Colin
Qapla!
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 13 May 2011, at 02:03, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Rose,
> 
> To select non-contiguous items:
> 
> 1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
> 2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
> 3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
> 4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been 
> selected.
> 5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as leaving 
> it off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've forgot.  Yes 
> I speak from experience.
> 
> To Deselect all:
> 
> • I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the following:
> 
> 1.  close the specific window then re-open.
> 
> or 
> 
> 
> 2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or down 
> in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  Next, press 
> VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing will be 
> selected within that area anymore.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know them, 
>> but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and I've 
>> been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
>> understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. I 
>> know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
>> something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
>> multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
>> to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
>> items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
>> everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> Rose
>> 
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Fwd: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

Hi there!
Oops! Me Bad!
The lock vo keys command is!
vo+semi colon 
Sorry about that :]
Colin
I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Colin M 
> Date: 13 May 2011 16:16:43 GMT+01:00
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?
> 
> Hi Rose!
> Further to what Tim said!
> After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
> colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got to 
> one of the items to select then just press command+space!
> You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
> forget to unlock vo keys with the same command as you used to lock them!
> And put on cursor tracking!
> hth Colin
> Qapla!
> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
> 
> On 13 May 2011, at 02:03, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rose,
>> 
>> To select non-contiguous items:
>> 
>> 1.  Navigate to the first item in your list.
>> 2.  Press VO-shift-f3 to turn off Cursor Tracking.
>> 3.  Navigate to the next item then press VO-cmd-space.
>> 4.  Repeat steps 2 and 3 until everything you wish to select has been 
>> selected.
>> 5.  Don't forget to turn Cursor Tracking back on with VO-shift-f3 as leaving 
>> it off gets rather frustrating until you figure out that you've forgot.  Yes 
>> I speak from experience.
>> 
>> To Deselect all:
>> 
>> • I don't know a specific keystroke but you could do either of the following:
>> 
>> 1.  close the specific window then re-open.
>> 
>> or 
>> 
>> 
>> 2.  Make sure that Cursor Tracking is on then simply navigate once up or 
>> down in the list and then only the item you are on will be selected.  Next, 
>> press VO-cmd-space to deselect the item you are on and then nothing will be 
>> selected within that area anymore.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2011-05-12, at 6:17 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> There are two selection keystrokes I'm wondering about. I used to know 
>>> them, but my memory escapes me. It's been awhile since I needed them, and 
>>> I've been involved in so many tech projects since tackling a thorough 
>>> understanding of Voiceover two years ago. One is selecting multiple items. 
>>> I know shift up and down arrow will do this. However, i'm looking for 
>>> something more complex. The keystroke I'm thinking of allows you to select 
>>> multiple items at once which are not in order. For instance, perhaps I want 
>>> to select items 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9. This keystroke will let me check the 
>>> items I want. Also, I'm looking for another keystroke which will deselect 
>>> everything. That is to say, I want no items in a folder or list selected.
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> Rose
>>> 
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adobe pdf viewer

2011-05-13 Thread Terry Klarich

Hello All:

In a previous message, I said that I installed adobe pdf reader.  I quickly 
learned it is not accessible or at least not convenient
to use.  I wanted to go back to preview.

I opened the information screen on a pdf file on the disk and put preview back 
is the program to use for all pdf files.  This
worked fine.  I can now read pdf files from disk using preview.

Safari still wants to open pdf links with adobe reader though.  So, I removed 
adobe reader.  Now, when opening a pdf link, a screen
comes up saying:

Select an adobe viewer for this pdf
Adobe pdf viewer can not find a compatible adobe acrobat or adobe reader to 
view this pdf.  Please select one.

When sellecting preview from the application file list, the select button 
remains grayed out.

Obviously, adobe doesn't clean up after itself during an uninstall.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

What is the equivalent of a right click on a link in safari?

When is Lion coming out?

Many thanks

Terry

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Re: Keyboard Commander [was Re: apple script perform command]

Hi Louie!
I do not know if you can do this on the numpad, but one keyboard shortcut I 
find useful is add last phrase to clipboard!
Which I've made right option +c
Colin
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Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 13 May 2011, at 00:03, Esther wrote:

> Hi Louie,
> 
> I feel as though I am missing your main point.  Do I understand that you have 
> set up your Numpad Commander definition so that Shift+1 is set to "Describe 
> Item in Mouse Cursor" and you want to set up an AppleScript to "Describe Item 
> in Mouse Cursor"?  As a Mac laptop (only) user from back in Tiger, when there 
>  was no Numpad Commander, I'm used to typing the keyboard shortcuts directly. 
>  So I would just press VO-F5 to get a description of what is under the Mouse 
> Cursor, just as I would press VO-F3 to get a description of what is in the 
> VoiceOver Cursor.
> 
> Now, let's say that you wanted to set something up that worked more simply, 
> either because you find it annoying to press that many keys, or because it 
> just hasn't sunk down that deep into muscle memory and you might not remember 
> the keystrokes.  Why wouldn't you just set up a Keyboard Commander shortcut 
> for this?  For example, let's say that I wanted to set up a shortcut so that 
> when I press the right Option key plus the letter "d" VoiceOver would 
> describe what is under the mouse cursor.  I could set this up in VoiceOver 
> Utility. (I'll digress to describe how the Keyboard Commander table is laid 
> out in step 5.  Ignore all but the first sentence if you only want to set up 
> a shortcut.  I'll also describe what the navigation is like with TrackPad 
> Commander): 
> 
> 1. VO-F8  to open VoiceOver Utility
> 2. Press "c" to navigate to "Commanders"
> 3. VO-Right arrow to the "Keyboard" tab and select with VO-Space
> 4. Navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the check box "Enable Keyboard Commander" and 
> check it (VO-Space)
> 5. Navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the radio button for which Option key (left 
> or right) to use with the keyboard shortcut command and select it (VO-Space) 
> (e.g., I would choose the right option key here).  If I want to check the 
> default keyboard commander definitions, I'd navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the 
> table and interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow). I'd find a list of keyboard keys 
> and their command actions.  For example, the first entry would have the 
> keyboard key "m", and in the next column (VO-Right arrow) the associated 
> command is "Open Application: Mail".  If I wanted to changed the key 
> assignment for the command, I could move my Mouse cursor to the VoiceOver 
> cursor (VO-Command-F5) and highlight it by clicking (VO-Shift-Space), then 
> press "Return" to edit the field and type in a new letter. To change the 
> associated command, you would navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the command 
> column, VO-Space on the menu button, and use your arrow keys to select 
> another option.  Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift-Up arrow) when 
> done.
> 6. Navigate (VO-RIght arrow) past the table of keyboard commands to the "Add" 
> button and press (VO-Space)
> 7. A new entry will be added to the table of keyboard commands, and you'll be 
> placed in the edit field for the keyboard key (VoiceOver says "One row added, 
> edit text").  I'd type "d" here if I wanted to define a Keyboard Commander 
> shortcut activated by pressing the (Right) Option+d keys. Then I'd press tab 
> to move to the next field.  There seems to be a VoiceOver bug, in that focus 
> stays on the "Add" button outside of the table, so VO-Left arrow (to get 
> focus back to the table), and interact (VO-Shift down arrow). Navigate back 
> to the Command column (VO-Right arrow). To select the command ("Describe Item 
> in Mouse Cursor"), VO-Space.  Then VO-Down arrow "Information" and right 
> arrow to the sub-menu entries to "Describe Item in Mouse Cursor" and VO-Space 
> to select that entry.
> 8. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift-Up arrow) when done.
> 9. You'll now have a Keyboard Commander Shortcut definition for "Describe 
> Item in Mouse Cursor" when you press the Right Option Key+d.
> 
> Interestingly, the process of navigating and assigning the shortcut is easier 
> with TrackPad Commander.  If you have a recent MacBook (the Unibody models 
> with single trackpad area -- clicks by pushing down the entire trackpad 
> instead of a trackpad button) or a connected Magic TrackPad under Snow 
> Leopard, make sure TrackPad Commander is on (hold down the VO keys and rotate 
> two fingers clockwise on the trackpad).
> 
> 1. VO-F8 to bring up VoiceOver Utility
> 2. Press "c" to navigate to "Commanders"
> 3. On the trackpad, flick right to "Keyboard" and double tap
> 4. Flick right to the checkbox for enabling keyboard commander and double tap
> 5. Flick right to the radio button for using the right option key and double 
> tap. 
> 6. Flick right past the table of keyboard commander shortcuts to the "Add" 
> button and double tap
> 7. Press "d" (or whichever k

Help please, Mail is freaking out

2011-05-13 Thread Donna Goodin

Hi all,
 
I was configuring a new email account and somehow my SMTP servers got messed
up.  Now, when I open mail, I see the dialog "Message X could not be sent by
server null"etc.  The problem is that Mail won't let me click on any of the
buttons.  I've tried them all, Edit SMTP Server, Connection Doctor, Try
again Later, but when I press VO-Space, I just hear that kthunk sound that
VO makes when it doesn't like the keystroke you just entered.  Anyone know
what I can do?  I've already tried checking Cursor Tracking, it's on.  I've
also tried using the mouse, but that didn't work either.
 
Thanks in advance!
Donna

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Virtual viewer in Safari?

2011-05-13 Thread Geoff Waaler

Greetings,

When I read code examples from URL:
http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-iphone-development
via JFW and FireFox/MSIE, the lines appear correctly in Jaws's virtual viewer.

When I navigate via Safari in OSX 10.6.7, however there is no easy way to
copy/paste lines of code or even to easily discern where a line ends. I tried
both DOM and group modes and the reader (command-shift-r), but have not yet
discovered a way to read lines of code as they are written.

When I use the trackpad, only the part of the line under my finger is read. My
VO utility setting to announce all punctuation is apparently ignored because
characters such as the equal sign are not verbalized as I move over them, but
are visible to voiceOver when I use the "move right" command (right flick or
vo-arrow). When I interact, only part of the line is displayed. I attempted
to select all and copy to a file in the textEdit application, but the result
was also unreadable.

I feel as though I must be missing something because many here are using OSX
exclusively to navigate the web, yet I repeatedly see examples such as the one
illustrated above where tasks are difficult or impossible to perform in Safari
which can be done easily in JFW.

TIA for any/all suggestions other than my current solution of reading the page
in JFW and manually copying lines into xCode.

Best regards.
Geoff

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mail issue resolved

2011-05-13 Thread Donna Goodin

Hi all,

Just letting you know that the mail issue is solved.  there was a hidden window 
that I had to deal with before it would let me access my smtp options.
Best,
Donna

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Re: Help please, Mail is freaking out

2011-05-13 Thread Robert Nelson

Dear Donna,

Have you checked to see if  preferences is unlocked and on the same idea  are 
you logged in as theadministrator rather than a user?

Sincerely Yours,
Robert Nelson

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Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?

2011-05-13 Thread Esther

Hi Rose,

Tim and Colin have already given you an answer on how to select non-contiguous 
items in a list, by turning cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3) and using 
VO-Command-Space. (And I'll just add to what both of them said that the usual 
gotcha is to remember to turn cursor tracking back on again with another 
VO-Shift-F3 when you're done.)  Tim already implied this in his answer, but the 
VO-Command-Space key sequence you use to select is a toggle action, and can be 
used to de-select any items that have been selected.  And as Colin has 
answered, you can check the items that are selected at any time with VO-F6, so 
if you find that you need to make an adjustment, just navigate to the object 
you want to de-select, and use VO-Command-Space again.

Colin also gave you the hint that if you are in a very long list of items 
(e.g., in Finder, or perhaps in the Songs table of iTunes where you are 
selecting tracks for a playlist that you will create with the Command-Shift-N 
"New Playlist from Selection" shortcut) it is convenient to lock your VoiceOver 
keys (VO-Semi-colon), and then just arrow up and down the list pressing 
Command-Space to select/deselect and F6 to check your selection (and then 
possibly turn cursor tracking back on with Shift-F3, or if you have pressed 
Semi-colon to turn lock off first, use the full VO-Shift-F3).

To deselect all items, I would use the second method that Tim outlines: with 
cursor tracking on, I move to an item, which selects it (and if you have cursor 
tracking on, only the item you have moved to will be selected.)  Then I would 
use VO-Command-Space to de-select that item, and check with VO-F6 that nothing 
was selected.  In practice, just turning cursor tracking on gets you out of the 
multiple selection issue.  Similarly, the other way that people select multiple 
items (in contiguous blocks, without turning cursor tracking off) is to simply 
hold down the Shift key as they arrow down the list.  Again, you can check what 
you selected with VO-F6.  The fact that selection is a toggle action means that 
you can be creative about how you select items.  For example, if you want to 
select nearly everything in a contiguous list, except for one or two items, you 
can hold down your Shift key and arrow up or down.  Then you can turn cursor 
tracking off (VO-Shift-F3), navigate to the few items you want to de-select 
(VO-Up or Down arrow), and de-select them with VO-Command-Space.  You can also 
arrange items so that you take the minimum number of actions by either 
filtering the results (e.g., in Finder, use Command-Option-F to move to the 
search field, and type in terms to match, thus cutting down the listed 
results), and/or sorting the list of the displayed items (e.g., if I wanted the 
5 most recent files with a certain name, I'd type the name in the search field, 
then after interacting with the table I might navigate to the "Last Opened" 
column and sort with VO-Shift-Backslash (on an English input keyboard; in 
another language I might have to use VO-H-H and look for the sort command under 
the tables menu entry)).  If you don't find the view parameter you want to make 
sorting easy, you can always add it to your table by bringing up the View 
Options (Command-J) and checking what you want (e.g. "Date Created", "Date 
Modified", etc.) -- even just for temporary display and use.  I find that with 
the combination of filtering and sorting, I can often get away without having 
to do non-contiguous selections, and when I do need to select non-contiguous 
items in a list, I can cut down my work.  Often I can just filter a result, 
select all (Command-A), and then modify by de-selecting the few items that I 
don't want .

If you want to read an example of selecting non-contiguously, with step-by-step 
instructions in order, and all the other tips in the same place (including the 
tips about locking VoiceOver keys and using VO-F6 to check), try reading the 
following posts from the archive:
• "Tips on on Non-Contiguous Selection [was Re: selecting specific tracks in 
itunes]":
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05301.html  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 13, 2011, at 05:24, Colin M wrote:

> Hi there!
> Oops! Me Bad!
> The lock vo keys command is!
> vo+semi colon 
> Sorry about that :]
> Colin
> I'm far too bad for Heaven!
> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Colin M 
>> Date: 13 May 2011 16:16:43 GMT+01:00
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Uncommonly used keystrokes for selecting items?
>> 
>> Hi Rose!
>> Further to what Tim said!
>> After turning off cursor tracking, if you lock the vo keys with command+semi 
>> colon you'll only have to down arrow through your list and when you've got 
>> to one of the items to select then just press command+space!
>> You can also check what you've selected by just pressing the f6 key, do not 
>> forget to unlock vo keys with the same

RE: Virtual viewer in Safari?

Hi Geoff.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but VO in Safari doesn't seem to
support the functionality you're referring to. Vo doesn't navigate the
document in the word-processor-like style you're used to in JFW. I'm a JFW
user as well, and I lament this issue very much for the exact same reason
you do, reading/copying code. I wrote to Apple about it and explained this
style of web navigation and requested that they make it an option in VO in
addition to the other methods already available. I sent the note 2 or 3 days
ago, so we'll see what happens. I suggest you do the same. The address is
accessibil...@apple.com

Tony Hernandez
http://dutyofman.net/
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Virtual viewer in Safari?

Greetings,

When I read code examples from URL:
http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-ipho
ne-development via JFW and FireFox/MSIE, the lines appear correctly in
Jaws's virtual viewer.

When I navigate via Safari in OSX 10.6.7, however there is no easy way to
copy/paste lines of code or even to easily discern where a line ends.  I
tried both DOM and group modes and the reader (command-shift-r), but have
not yet discovered a way to read lines of code as they are written.

When I use the trackpad, only the part of the line under my finger is read.
My VO utility setting to announce all punctuation is apparently ignored
because characters such as the equal sign are not verbalized as I move over
them, but are visible to voiceOver when I use the "move right" command
(right flick or vo-arrow).  When I interact, only part of the line is
displayed.  I attempted to select all and copy to a file in the textEdit
application, but the result was also unreadable.

I feel as though I must be missing something because many here are using OSX
exclusively to navigate the web, yet I repeatedly see examples such as the
one illustrated above where tasks are difficult or impossible to perform in
Safari which can be done easily in JFW.

TIA for any/all suggestions other than my current solution of reading the
page in JFW and manually copying lines into xCode.

Best regards.
Geoff

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Re: adobe pdf viewer

2011-05-13 Thread Ryan Mann

You could try hitting Option+Enter to tell Safari to download the file 
instead of view it.  That is, hit the Option and the Enter key at the 
same time.  The download window will come up and the file will be downloaded.


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Re: Virtual viewer in Safari?

2011-05-13 Thread Geoff Waaler

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the note.  Frankly it's hard to understand why so many former JFW 
users claim on this list that they never look back because web navigation 
(which is becoming increasingly ubiquitous in application dialogs) is totally 
substandard by any objective analysis.

It was challenging, but possible to update my JawBone Jambox in MSIE.  Don't 
even think about attempting this task in Safari.  The tables on 
braille.wunderground.com are so much easier to navigate in Windows.  Yes it's 
possible to ascertain information such as current conditions and records, but 
the process is far to time consuming.  I always book flights on Southwest or 
peruse my supermarket's weekly adds in Windows for the same reason.  Up till 
now I suspected I was missing something obvious because the only alternative 
possibility is that this list is completely populated with coo laid drinking 
cheer  leaders who are totally out of touch with reality!

I will compose a note to the accessibility team, but suspect web navigation 
might have been implemented much better had the former switchers afforded 
themselves a modicum of objectivity rather than focusing on the price of the 
screen reader (which in the case of web navigation is worth every penny we pay 
for it).

Best regards.
Geoff


On May 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Hi Geoff.
> 
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but VO in Safari doesn't seem to
> support the functionality you're referring to. Vo doesn't navigate the
> document in the word-processor-like style you're used to in JFW. I'm a JFW
> user as well, and I lament this issue very much for the exact same reason
> you do, reading/copying code. I wrote to Apple about it and explained this
> style of web navigation and requested that they make it an option in VO in
> addition to the other methods already available. I sent the note 2 or 3 days
> ago, so we'll see what happens. I suggest you do the same. The address is
> accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Virtual viewer in Safari?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> When I read code examples from URL:
> http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-ipho
> ne-development via JFW and FireFox/MSIE, the lines appear correctly in
> Jaws's virtual viewer.
> 
> When I navigate via Safari in OSX 10.6.7, however there is no easy way to
> copy/paste lines of code or even to easily discern where a line ends.  I
> tried both DOM and group modes and the reader (command-shift-r), but have
> not yet discovered a way to read lines of code as they are written.
> 
> When I use the trackpad, only the part of the line under my finger is read.
> My VO utility setting to announce all punctuation is apparently ignored
> because characters such as the equal sign are not verbalized as I move over
> them, but are visible to voiceOver when I use the "move right" command
> (right flick or vo-arrow).  When I interact, only part of the line is
> displayed.  I attempted to select all and copy to a file in the textEdit
> application, but the result was also unreadable.
> 
> I feel as though I must be missing something because many here are using OSX
> exclusively to navigate the web, yet I repeatedly see examples such as the
> one illustrated above where tasks are difficult or impossible to perform in
> Safari which can be done easily in JFW.
> 
> TIA for any/all suggestions other than my current solution of reading the
> page in JFW and manually copying lines into xCode.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
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Re: many of the conmands don't work on imac

2011-05-13 Thread Robert Nelson

Dear Stephanie,

I have an IMac  and as far as I know all of my keyboard commands  work .  CMD-, 
 does open the preference pane, CMD-O does bring up the OPEN  dialogue box.  I 
don't know why your IMac isbehaving this way.  I can only think that it has 
something to do with keyboard preferences.Since you only mentioned commands 
 that only use the  command key, it could be one  of two issues.  It could be 
mechanical , i.e. the command key is not making contact.   Or somehow in the 
keyboard  preference pane  there is a button  called  modifier keys which 
brings  up a table  that allows you to change the  use of the command key to 
none rather than command..  You may want to confirm that the command modifier 
key is indeed set to command.  Do you have any trouble using commands that use 
the VO keys or the F1, F2…  Keys also?

I hope this helps.

Sincerely Yours,
robert

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RE: macbook pro or macbook air?

2011-05-13 Thread

Everything boots up fast when it's new and doesn't have much stored on it.
But as time goes on, as you do more with it, it will eventually slow down.

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Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

That's not necessarily so. While you get more hard disk space and a faster
processor, the Pro is significantly thicker and heavier than the Air, and
boots up more slowly owing to still using a mechanical hard drive. I got to
play a bit with an Air last week, and the solid state drive really makes a
huge difference in how quickly things open. Safari just popped up instantly,
and I really do mean instantly. So if you don't have a lot of storage needs
to carry with you, and really need something light and very portable, the
Air may well be just what you need. Of course, if you need an everyday
machine for production and storing lots of stuff, an Air is definitely not a
good fit at all. I'd love to have an Air for a second machine, but I don't
think it would be appropriate as a primary machine. Yep, I do love my
Macbook Pro, but I showed remarkable restraint in not buying an Air.
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On May 13, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> The Pro gives you more bang for your buck. Go with the Pro.
> On May 13, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Steph,
>> 
>> The MacBook Air has no DVD drive, no FireWire, just two USB ports. On the
plus side, it's incredibly thin and light.
>> 
>> If you have no other computer, the MacBook Pro is a much better machine,
and you can have a much bigger hard drive in it too.
>> 
>> I've just ordered a MacBook Air, but I already have a MacBook and a
MacBook Pro available to me, as well as several external hard drives of
various types.
>> 
>> It's all a matter of preference and needs.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2011, at 13:26, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
>> 
>>> What are the differences between these two machines? My macbook pro I'd
had for 2 years.  The kids spilt something on it, and the apple retrailer
said it's not repaira.  So i'm in the market for a new machine.
>>> Steph
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Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

2011-05-13 Thread Kimberly

On 5/13/11, Kliph&Sharrie  wrote:
> Everything boots up fast when it's new and doesn't have much stored on it.

Of course this is true. But the solid state is lightning fast when
compared to a mechanical drive.

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mobile me driving me nuts

2011-05-13 Thread Yuma Decaux

Hi list,

I've been having a weird issue with mobile me which doesn't seem to have any 
resolve so far, and it's driving me crazy.

My @me account works fine in mail for reception but i can't send any messages 
for the life of me, pun intended. It just gives me the boink noise telling me 
i'm hitting a wall.

I've desynced all my computers, resynced, unregistered each computer one by 
one, resynced, repairpermission all volumes *but since this is systemic to all 
my computers, it must be mobileme and not local installations of mail* , made a 
restore and chanted in shakazulu voodoo but i can't send mail, only receive.

I've called apple for help, but since this is a mobile me issue, they 
automatically direct me to the live chat thing on the mobile me support page, 
which itself is basically not very friendly with VO.

Has anyone encountered this really annoying issue?

Any help greatly appreciated

Thanks, and best 

Yuma 

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Re: More on iMovie 11

2011-05-13 Thread Ashley Cox

That's awesome! you should definetly try writing a guide of some kind, 
or a podcast or something. It would help out a lot of people...

ash


On 13/05/2011 06:53, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello,

Well, sometimes the bear gets you and sometimes you get the bear.  Today was my 
turn.

I am absolutely delighted to report that I am now in command of iMovie 11.

Why I am no means an expert, I can accomplish all of the tasks i need to make a 
pretty dazzling movie complete with green screen effects and color videos and 
photos slowly fading into black&  white.

The trick, it seems is that first has to accept the fact that VoiceOver has 
some serious problems with various aspects of iMovie 11.  This means that 
should one attempt to use voiceover to add a transition, one will most likely 
fail.

At this time, it is necessary for me to, at times, turn off VO in favor of 
using the screen magnification in order to accomplish tasks.

Once one accepts this, the iMovie 11 gate is opened and the fun begins.

Mark



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Terminal usability...

Two   more notes on terminal. 

by default terminal does not clear out scrollback items, so your entire 
terminal session will be in both the terminal window and the VoiceOver text 
block.  You can change this in the preference panels or by hitting command-K  
when you are about to start something new..  For example: I often will pipe a 
man command to cat and but hit command-K to clear the scroll-back before 
hitting enter. Three finger swipes will let you page through the text, and 
VO-shift-J followed by VO-shift-uparrow (or shift+numpad 8 in numpad commander 
mode) will get you to the top. I bet you can guess how to get to the bottom.
In terms of cursor tracking, I usually have it off in command-line mode and on  
incurses mode. Any function that will move the terminal cursor will then cause 
the VO cursor to track it, but not the other way around.

Best of luck,

Jonathan Cohn 

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Re: open with?

You can start textedit and open the program. I don't know about setting up a 
default but if it is possible it would be the same basic process as for PDF 
files.  Also there is the command-line (terminal) command "open"

so to open file funnybone 
open -a textedit funnybone 

will open the file in textedit.

Jon

On May 6, 2011, at 1:11 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a bunch of known plain text files which have nonstandard txt or rtf 
> extensions. Short of renaming them all, is there some way I can have the 
> system open them in Text Edit?
> 
> 1, Is there a way to open this file just once in text edit?
> 
> 2, Is there a way to indicate that this type of file will always open in text 
> edit?
> 
> 3, Would there be a way of terminating the opening of type x in text edit?
> 
> Thanks,
> John S
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Re: Renaming multiple file extensions

with thefollowing commands in terminal you should be able to do this.
find and/or for  
mv (the unix rename command)
3. dirname a command that returns a file name w/o the extension)

Jon

On May 10, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote:

> Evening all,
> 
> Is this possible under the current OS, or are there third-party applications 
> which will assist? I'll be renaming filetypes contained within various 
> folders mostly. Also, how do you find audiobook builder to behave both given 
> what it does, and with VO?
> 
> Thanks a lot all
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RE: Virtual viewer in Safari?

HI Geoff. I know it's annoying the way VO reads some web stuff, but it seems
that most folks do have their needs met concerning web navigation on the
Mac. It isn't that they are out of touch with reality. IF it meets their
needs, human nature sometimes causes anyone of us to be unaware of
circumstances that might call for a different approach of doing something.

I've found that I don't like the way that VO reads the column and row
information in HTML tables, so I just turned that off in the web category in
the VO utility. VO is still a relatively new screen reader and does need
work in areas, but what they've done so far is amazing to me, even if I do
agree that their web navigation approach needs work. That's why I wrote to
them. I'm sure that with patience from the consumers VO will start to blow
all screen readers out of the water in every aspect before we know it. I
predict that in time other screen readers might even start to copy the VO
approach of doing things. For instance, this concept of having to enter
forms mode has always bugged me even if I got used to it. Even the auto
forms mode in JAWS is buggy because it sometimes makes it hard to navigate
with the arrow keys for certain auto-complete fields, not to mention that it
has a crazy way of behaving in certain configurations when one tries to exit
forms mode from edit boxes. 

I think all screen reader companies, though they compete, can and do learn
from one another even if that means simply creating a feature similar to
that in a competing product just to keep up or jump ahead of the
competition.

Tony Hernandez
http://dutyofman.net/
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari?

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the note.  Frankly it's hard to understand why so many former JFW
users claim on this list that they never look back because web navigation
(which is becoming increasingly ubiquitous in application dialogs) is
totally substandard by any objective analysis.

It was challenging, but possible to update my JawBone Jambox in MSIE.  Don't
even think about attempting this task in Safari.  The tables on
braille.wunderground.com are so much easier to navigate in Windows.  Yes
it's possible to ascertain information such as current conditions and
records, but the process is far to time consuming.  I always book flights on
Southwest or peruse my supermarket's weekly adds in Windows for the same
reason.  Up till now I suspected I was missing something obvious because the
only alternative possibility is that this list is completely populated with
coo laid drinking cheer  leaders who are totally out of touch with reality!

I will compose a note to the accessibility team, but suspect web navigation
might have been implemented much better had the former switchers afforded
themselves a modicum of objectivity rather than focusing on the price of the
screen reader (which in the case of web navigation is worth every penny we
pay for it).

Best regards.
Geoff

On May 13, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Hi Geoff.
> 
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but VO in Safari doesn't seem to
> support the functionality you're referring to. Vo doesn't navigate the
> document in the word-processor-like style you're used to in JFW. I'm a JFW
> user as well, and I lament this issue very much for the exact same reason
> you do, reading/copying code. I wrote to Apple about it and explained this
> style of web navigation and requested that they make it an option in VO in
> addition to the other methods already available. I sent the note 2 or 3
days
> ago, so we'll see what happens. I suggest you do the same. The address is
> accessibil...@apple.com
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or
whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Virtual viewer in Safari?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> When I read code examples from URL:
>
http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/an-absolute-beginners-guide-to-ipho
> ne-development via JFW and FireFox/MSIE, the lines appear correctly in
> Jaws's virtual viewer.
> 
> When I navigate via Safari in OSX 10.6.7, however there is no easy way to
> copy/paste

[no subject]

Hi.

 

I set up a pop account in mail and need to change the outgoing port to 26.
When I go to edit the account and go to the port, it says 110, but the help
says that this is supposed to be the SMTP port. The standard port is 25, but
this shows the port for incoming mail. There is a possibility that this is
happening because the smtp and the pop servers for this account both start
with mail rather than starting with pop or smtp, i.e., mail.domain.tld for
both incoming and outgoing. Anyone know whether I should just go ahead and
put the number 26 here even if it shows 110?

 

Tony Hernandez

http://dutyofman.net/

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

 

 

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Re: macbook pro or macbook air?

2011-05-13 Thread Buddy Brannan

Oh, I know that, but seriously, the SSD is very fast. Much faster than I would 
have expected even under ideal conditions. 
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On May 13, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote:

> Everything boots up fast when it's new and doesn't have much stored on it.
> But as time goes on, as you do more with it, it will eventually slow down.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: macbook pro or macbook air?
> 
> That's not necessarily so. While you get more hard disk space and a faster
> processor, the Pro is significantly thicker and heavier than the Air, and
> boots up more slowly owing to still using a mechanical hard drive. I got to
> play a bit with an Air last week, and the solid state drive really makes a
> huge difference in how quickly things open. Safari just popped up instantly,
> and I really do mean instantly. So if you don't have a lot of storage needs
> to carry with you, and really need something light and very portable, the
> Air may well be just what you need. Of course, if you need an everyday
> machine for production and storing lots of stuff, an Air is definitely not a
> good fit at all. I'd love to have an Air for a second machine, but I don't
> think it would be appropriate as a primary machine. Yep, I do love my
> Macbook Pro, but I showed remarkable restraint in not buying an Air.
> --
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> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> The Pro gives you more bang for your buck. Go with the Pro.
>> On May 13, 2011, at 7:21 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Steph,
>>> 
>>> The MacBook Air has no DVD drive, no FireWire, just two USB ports. On the
> plus side, it's incredibly thin and light.
>>> 
>>> If you have no other computer, the MacBook Pro is a much better machine,
> and you can have a much bigger hard drive in it too.
>>> 
>>> I've just ordered a MacBook Air, but I already have a MacBook and a
> MacBook Pro available to me, as well as several external hard drives of
> various types.
>>> 
>>> It's all a matter of preference and needs.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 May 2011, at 13:26, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
>>> 
 What are the differences between these two machines? My macbook pro I'd
> had for 2 years.  The kids spilt something on it, and the apple retrailer
> said it's not repaira.  So i'm in the market for a new machine.
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Re:

Lower down in your Account settings window, you will see a outgoing mailserver 
item with a pop-up button.  click the pop-up button and you will find a edit 
SMTP serves line. Select this and you should be on your way...

Jon

On May 13, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Hi.
>  
> I set up a pop account in mail and need to change the outgoing port to 26. 
> When I go to edit the account and go to the port, it says 110, but the help 
> says that this is supposed to be the SMTP port. The standard port is 25, but 
> this shows the port for incoming mail. There is a possibility that this is 
> happening because the smtp and the pop servers for this account both start 
> with mail rather than starting with pop or smtp, i.e., mail.domain.tld for 
> both incoming and outgoing. Anyone know whether I should just go ahead and 
> put the number 26 here even if it shows 110?
>  
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His 
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every 
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether 
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>  
>  
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Re: adobe pdf viewer

You are getting these errors because the Adobe plugin is still in your system. 

In either:
/Library/Internet PLugins" or /Library/Internet Plugins"

You should find a item from Adobe hthat should be removed.  ..  
On May 13, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Terry Klarich wrote:

> Hello All:
> 
> In a previous message, I said that I installed adobe pdf reader.  I quickly 
> learned it is not accessible or at least not convenient
> to use.  I wanted to go back to preview.
> 
> I opened the information screen on a pdf file on the disk and put preview 
> back is the program to use for all pdf files.  This
> THere might be a way with the Safari preference pane to disable a plugin, but 
> I don't remember there being one.

Jonathan 

> worked fine.  I can now read pdf files from disk using preview.
> 
> Safari still wants to open pdf links with adobe reader though.  So, I removed 
> adobe reader.  Now, when opening a pdf link, a screen
> comes up saying:
> 
> Select an adobe viewer for this pdf
> Adobe pdf viewer can not find a compatible adobe acrobat or adobe reader to 
> view this pdf.  Please select one.
> 
> When sellecting preview from the application file list, the select button 
> remains grayed out.
> 
> Obviously, adobe doesn't clean up after itself during an uninstall.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> What is the equivalent of a right click on a link in safari?
> 
> When is Lion coming out?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Terry
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outgoing smtp port in mail

Hi John. Thanks for the reply.  . sorry again for failing to fill in the 
subject  line.
Tony Hernandez
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his 
commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. For God shall bring every 
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether 
[it be] evil.” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
http://dutyofman.net

On May 13, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Jon Cohn wrote:

> Lower down in your Account settings window, you will see a outgoing 
> mailserver item with a pop-up button.  click the pop-up button and you will 
> find a edit SMTP serves line. Select this and you should be on your way...
> 
> Jon
> 
> On May 13, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>>  
>> I set up a pop account in mail and need to change the outgoing port to 26. 
>> When I go to edit the account and go to the port, it says 110, but the help 
>> says that this is supposed to be the SMTP port. The standard port is 25, but 
>> this shows the port for incoming mail. There is a possibility that this is 
>> happening because the smtp and the pop servers for this account both start 
>> with mail rather than starting with pop or smtp, i.e., mail.domain.tld for 
>> both incoming and outgoing. Anyone know whether I should just go ahead and 
>> put the number 26 here even if it shows 110?
>>  
>> Tony Hernandez
>> http://dutyofman.net/
>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His 
>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every 
>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether 
>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>  
>>  
>> 
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ProTools

2011-05-13 Thread Hayri Tulumcu

Hi Kevin. Wich version of ProTools do you use? do you use version 9.0 ore
9.0.2?

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Kindle For Ios4 Accessible? {{]sans}}

2011-05-13 Thread Teresa Cochran

Hi all,

I can read the controls, but not book text. Is this the way it is, or am I 
missing something? By the way, I set up my Amazon account without a hitch.

TIA,
Teresa


Winging its way from my iPod

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Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

2011-05-13 Thread Shawn Krasniuk

Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it 
doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another website 
that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the first time I 
used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down through a page as 
opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just takes a little time I 
guess.
Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's 
another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type in 
forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will develop 
something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing people for 
stealing their ideas.

Shawn

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Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread Shameless FanGirl

Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm 
asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because obviously 
other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.

Thanks for any/all input, and have a fabulous evening all, hot though it is; at 
least here. :)

Skype: Shameless_FanGirl
Twitter: IndigoCellist

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RE: Virtual viewer in Safari

Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins
for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
were to add this ability to VO on the web.

Tony Hernandez
http://dutyofman.net/
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it
doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just
takes a little time I guess.
Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type
in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing
people for stealing their ideas.

Shawn

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Re: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread Jes Smith

Ever  heard of VLC?

On May 13, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote:

> Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm 
> asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because obviously 
> other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.
> 
> Thanks for any/all input, and have a fabulous evening all, hot though it is; 
> at least here. :)
> 
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> Twitter: IndigoCellist
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Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

2011-05-13 Thread Zachary Kline

Hi Tony,
I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on 
occasions, such as the one JEff mentions.  However, I must disagree with the 
overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with JFW.  
It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group mode one 
of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing.  I check the 
weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no less useful with 
VO than under Jaws.  Maybe it's all a matter of what you use the web for, I 
don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites.
Best,
Zack.
On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins
> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
> were to add this ability to VO on the web.
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari
> 
> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it
> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just
> takes a little time I guess.
> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type
> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing
> people for stealing their ideas.
> 
> Shawn
> 
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Re: mobile me driving me nuts

2011-05-13 Thread Bryan Jones

Hello Yuma,

I don't recall having the problem you describe. Can you give some more details 
about your situation? When did this problem start happening for you? Was it 
working previously? What devices and OS versions are you trying to get it 
working on? Are you using the built-in mail apps?

Bryan

On May 13, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> I've been having a weird issue with mobile me which doesn't seem to have any 
> resolve so far, and it's driving me crazy.
> 
> My @me account works fine in mail for reception but i can't send any messages 
> for the life of me, pun intended. It just gives me the boink noise telling me 
> i'm hitting a wall.
> 
> I've desynced all my computers, resynced, unregistered each computer one by 
> one, resynced, repairpermission all volumes *but since this is systemic to 
> all my computers, it must be mobileme and not local installations of mail* , 
> made a restore and chanted in shakazulu voodoo but i can't send mail, only 
> receive.
> 
> I've called apple for help, but since this is a mobile me issue, they 
> automatically direct me to the live chat thing on the mobile me support page, 
> which itself is basically not very friendly with VO.

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RE: Virtual viewer in Safari

Right, it's a matter of what you use the web for. That's one of the many
wonderful things about Voiceover. You can use different methods of web
navigation for different types of activities. The word processor style
helps with some things, but it isn't necessary or might even be a bit
cumbersome in other situations. The group way is good for some things but
might not be so good for other things. The DOM method is fine for things
that group and word processor type navigation might not handle as well. In
JAWS, Window Eyes, etc., navigation methods are more limited. iOS has a way
to navigate by line, which I sometimes use but not always. OS X users would
benefit from that approach as well.

Tony Hernandez
http://dutyofman.net/
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:27 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

Hi Tony,
I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on
occasions, such as the one JEff mentions.  However, I must disagree with the
overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with
JFW.  It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group
mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing.
I check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no
less useful with VO than under Jaws.  Maybe it's all a matter of what you
use the web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites.
Best,
Zack.
On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next
begins
> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
> were to add this ability to VO on the web.
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or
whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari
> 
> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes
it
> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It
just
> takes a little time I guess.
> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you
type
> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for
suing
> people for stealing their ideas.
> 
> Shawn
> 
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Next Chrome with screen reader support

2011-05-13 Thread Pierre Heim

http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html

Haven't try it yet...

Pierre

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Next Chrome with screen reader support

2011-05-13 Thread Pierre Heim

http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html

Haven't try it yet...

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Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

2011-05-13 Thread Geoff Waaler

Hi Zack,

Thanks for your post.  It's reassuring that you use the 
braille.wunderground.com site daily, but here again perhaps it depends on what 
you want to read there.  How, for example can you quickly ascertain the normal 
and record temperatures  In the JFW virtual viewer I can read the entire 
forecast followed by these details.  In Safari I must read one field at a time, 
or perhaps get to what I want more quickly via the item chooser.  Group mode 
does not appear to buy me anything there, and the reader is unavailable.

I really hope there is a method I'm missing here, but to me sites such as this 
one are much faster to navigate in Windows.

Best regards.
Geoff


On May 13, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on 
> occasions, such as the one JEff mentions.  However, I must disagree with the 
> overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with 
> JFW.  It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group 
> mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing.  I 
> check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no less 
> useful with VO than under Jaws.  Maybe it's all a matter of what you use the 
> web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
> 
>> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
>> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
>> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins
>> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
>> were to add this ability to VO on the web.
>> 
>> Tony Hernandez
>> http://dutyofman.net/
>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari
>> 
>> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it
>> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
>> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
>> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
>> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just
>> takes a little time I guess.
>> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
>> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type
>> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
>> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing
>> people for stealing their ideas.
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RE: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread Chantel Cuddemi

There's Vlc player. 
To download it, go to
http://www.video-lan.net


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Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm
asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because
obviously other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.

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Re: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread Ray Foret Jr

There's Cog too.

That one has ENQ on it.  I don't think any of the others do.


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On May 13, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> There's Vlc player. 
> To download it, go to
> http://www.video-lan.net
> 
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
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> 
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
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> 
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> Subject: Other media players than iTunes.
> 
> Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm
> asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because
> obviously other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.
> 
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Re: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread Rose Morales

Personally, I love Cog. It doesn't play video, but it's still worth checking 
out. It has global shortcuts, a simple interface, and the now playing list is 
useful.
Hth,
Rose

On May 13, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> There's Vlc player. 
> To download it, go to
> http://www.video-lan.net
> 
> 
> Email: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
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> 
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jawsgirl87
> 
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> 
> msn: jawsgir...@gmail.com
> 
> aim: scholarmistress
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Other media players than iTunes.
> 
> Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm
> asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because
> obviously other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.
> 
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Re: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread brandt


I believe VLC is accessible and so is cog, (spelling)

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Subject: Other media players than iTunes.


Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm 
asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because 
obviously other means by which one can play media on the Mac exist.


Thanks for any/all input, and have a fabulous evening all, hot though it 
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Re: Other media players than iTunes.

2011-05-13 Thread erik burggraaf

Well, since I got my sansa E series, I don't listen to books or music on my 
computer very often, but I really like VLC as an ITunes replacement.  There are 
one or two others, but as far as I know, they all take control over your music 
the way ITunes does and on that basis, they are well worth avoiding.

Best,

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On 2011-05-13, at 5:09 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote:

> Subject covers it. Are there others, if so, what are they? Naturally, I'm 
> asking more from an accessibility standpoint than anything, because obviously 
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> 
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Re: Virtual viewer in Safari

Hi Geoff!
I've just been looking at that site myself!
I've never used jaws or windows!
I've found when I've came across a table like the one on that site, when I'm on 
the 1st row [there was 21] if I hold the vo keys then I can quickly down arrow 
each one to [like] record temp or moon rise!
Then right arrow to get the info!
I'm using quick nav!
Also I've no idea if this will help you with your getting more of your text 
when you interact but under vo utility in visuals then under caption panel you 
can select up to ten lines showing mine was set to 2!
hth Colin
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The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 13 May 2011, at 23:23, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Hi Zack,
> 
> Thanks for your post.  It's reassuring that you use the 
> braille.wunderground.com site daily, but here again perhaps it depends on 
> what you want to read there.  How, for example can you quickly ascertain the 
> normal and record temperatures  In the JFW virtual viewer I can read the 
> entire forecast followed by these details.  In Safari I must read one field 
> at a time, or perhaps get to what I want more quickly via the item chooser.  
> Group mode does not appear to buy me anything there, and the reader is 
> unavailable.
> 
> I really hope there is a method I'm missing here, but to me sites such as 
> this one are much faster to navigate in Windows.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> 
> On May 13, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tony,
>> I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on 
>> occasions, such as the one JEff mentions.  However, I must disagree with the 
>> overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with 
>> JFW.  It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group 
>> mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing.  
>> I check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no 
>> less useful with VO than under Jaws.  Maybe it's all a matter of what you 
>> use the web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:
>> 
>>> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
>>> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
>>> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins
>>> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
>>> were to add this ability to VO on the web.
>>> 
>>> Tony Hernandez
>>> http://dutyofman.net/
>>> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
>>> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
>>> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
>>> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
>>> 
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>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari
>>> 
>>> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it
>>> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
>>> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
>>> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
>>> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just
>>> takes a little time I guess.
>>> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
>>> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type
>>> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
>>> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing
>>> people for stealing their ideas.
>>> 
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Re: Next Chrome with screen reader support

2011-05-13 Thread Kevin Mattingly

Seems to work. Not to bad so far.

Kev
On May 10, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:

> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html
> 
> Haven't try it yet...
> 
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Re: iTunes Library location verse media location