RE: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

2010-09-28 Thread Simon Fogarty
It's made by apple and it's useable on the ipad  and it's able to import /
export documents from / to word  and other ms office products.

 There is also numbers, the spred sheet program and keynote which is the
apple version of powerpoint, pages is the iworks version of word.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheree Heppe
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2010 3:24 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver

Cheree Heppe here:

That sounds like a plan.  How does IWorks differ from the Microsoft product?


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


- Original Message - 
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver


>I too will be switching to I works rather than working with Microsoft
Products in the future.
> 
> 
> Kawal Gucukoglu
> 
> On 27 Sep 2010, at 12:53 AM, gkearney  wrote:
> 
>> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of
>> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are
>> not accessible.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor"  wrote:
>>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would
be
>>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their
>>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the
>>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you
>>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far
>>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story,
>>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side!
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed,
>>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were
not
>>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do
anything
>>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the
APIs to
>>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest
in
>>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle
Microsoft
>>> Office files, namely iwork and open office.
>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Greg,
>>> 
 Thank you so much for providing this info.
>>> 
 I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of
 Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility.  
>>> 
 Wow!
>>> 
 You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was
 completely accessible.  That is to say, as soon as one launched the
 installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if
>>> audio
 assistance was required.  This came as a total surprise to me, to say
the
 least.  I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7
 without any sighted assistance, whatsoever.  I installed that first
beta
>>> on
 three of my computers.  By the way, the voice that was used to guide me
 through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer.
>>> 
 Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this
>>> feature
 was removed.  I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least.

>>> 
 It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh.  
>>> 
 It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's
reason
>>> for
 removing this feature but they said they removed it for security
concerns;
 to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!"  Or, to put it in the vernacular,
 "That's a load of crap"
>>> 
 Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be
>>> VoiceOver
 accessible?  I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not?  Perhaps I'm
just
 grasping at straws, eh?  (Smile)
>>> 
 Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one.
>>> 
 Most Sincerely,
>>> 
 mark
 -
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
 Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary
Beth
 Janes; Mike Shebanek
 Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver
>>> 
 It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test
Microsoft
 Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than
in
 any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to
interact
 with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to
review,

Re: wayfinder access compensation

2010-09-28 Thread Colin M
Hi Kevin!
I do not know how long it would take!
I do not have wayfinder myself but heard about vodafone's paying out!
And I remember someone on the list saying something about wayfinder, so I just 
thought I'd mention it!
Colin
On 28 Sep 2010, at 01:01, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> How long from when our form is submitted to when we receive the payment?
> On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Colin M wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> To anyone it applies to, if you have wayfinder full software vodafone are 
>> now giving compensation!
>> If you go to the wayfinder access web site there should be a link to take 
>> you to where you need to go!
>> I hope this is of use!
>> I'm not on the viphones list so if this is not already out there someone 
>> could be as so kind as to let them know!
>> If this is already common knowledge I'm late as usual!
>> :]
>> Colin
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test, no need to read

2010-09-28 Thread Paul Erkens
Seems like I don't receive any more messages. Just a test to see if it comes 
through, right back to myself via this group.

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Re: Alerts causes loss voice

2010-09-28 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Shaun,

For me, alerts seem only to stop VoiceOver from speaking when I use an Infovox 
iVox voice as my system voice. Could this be your problem?

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: Alerts causes loss voice

2010-09-28 Thread Claudio Haase
Hi Anne, I have this problem to. Even if I'am using the Alex voice.


On 9/28/10, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Shaun,
>
> For me, alerts seem only to stop VoiceOver from speaking when I use an
> Infovox iVox voice as my system voice. Could this be your problem?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
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Re: Alerts causes loss voice

2010-09-28 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Claudio,

If this happens often, you should report it to Apple:
accessibil...@apple.com

They really should know about it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 28 Sep 2010, at 16:21, Claudio Haase wrote:

> Hi Anne, I have this problem to. Even if I'am using the Alex voice.
> 
> 
> On 9/28/10, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> Hello Shaun,
>> 
>> For me, alerts seem only to stop VoiceOver from speaking when I use an
>> Infovox iVox voice as my system voice. Could this be your problem?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Adobe Reader or Firefox

2010-09-28 Thread marcelo
Hello everybody!

I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...

1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
application? ...

2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
"Adobe Reader" to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...

thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).

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Cursor tracking problems with ITunes update

2010-09-28 Thread carlene knight
 Hi all:

I just wondered if anybody else has had tracking problems since the new ITunes 
update?  Sometimes even pressing vo/command/f5 doesn't do the trick either.  I 
seem to have probloems others don't, but this is really getting annoying.  I 
checked my cursor tracking options in the Vo utilities menus  and they are 
fine; no changes evident.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

2010-09-28 Thread Scott Howell
Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone working on 
this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe there are other browsers 
such as Opera, but I am not sure how well that works and others can comment. 
Preview is your only option for PDFs at this time. Adobe has decided the Mac 
platform does not have a sufficient number of users to invest time in making 
their products accessible. Well ok, that is what I gather from things I have 
read, but again, others may have more information that is not available to me.

On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:

> Hello everybody!
> 
> I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...
> 
> 1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
> application? ...
> 
> 2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
> "Adobe Reader" to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
> PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...
> 
> thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).
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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

2010-09-28 Thread Esther

Hello Marcelo,

Although it is possible to use Adobe Reader to read PDF files under  
VoiceOver control, I don't know of any VoiceOver user who prefers to  
use Adobe Reader over Preview (or another third party software called  
Skim that goes beyond Preview's capabilities by adding annotation  
features).  Almost everyone who has switched to VoiceOver comments on  
how much nicer the experience is reading PDFs with VoiceOver's native  
apps. (Scott may be thinking of Adobe Acrobat Professional in his  
reply about accessibility.  It is true that books encoded with Adobe's  
digital rights management cannot be read with Adobe's software and  
screen readers, but they do have Adobe Reader for non-protected PDF  
documents.)


If you really want to try using Adobe Reader instead of Preview, I can  
dig out my notes.  Adobe Reader is sufficiently unintuitive that I  
have to keep a record of the commands.  It uses text to speech rather  
than VoiceOver's interactive controls.  You also need to check the  
right menus for the controls, because the speed controls for text to  
speech speaking rate are set within the app, and the system text to  
speech speaking rates are bypassed. I ended up having to read through  
most of its rather complex menu structure.  There's a "Read Out Loud"  
command under the View menu that you'll need to use.  Again, unlike  
the case with Preview you have more limited control.


And as Scott said, Firefox is not accessible with VoiceOver.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Sep 28, 2010, at 08:15, Scott Howell wrote:

Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone  
working on this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe  
there are other browsers such as Opera, but I am not sure how well  
that works and others can comment. Preview is your only option for  
PDFs at this time. Adobe has decided the Mac platform does not have  
a sufficient number of users to invest time in making their products  
accessible. Well ok, that is what I gather from things I have read,  
but again, others may have more information that is not available to  
me.


On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:


Hello everybody!

I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...

1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
application? ...

2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
"Adobe Reader" to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...

thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).



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Re: Cursor tracking problems with ITunes update

2010-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

I have noticed no problems.  Could you give some examples of the cursor 
behavior your experiencing?  Thanks
On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:54 PM, carlene knight wrote:

> Hi all:
> 
> I just wondered if anybody else has had tracking problems since the new 
> ITunes update?  Sometimes even pressing vo/command/f5 doesn't do the trick 
> either.  I seem to have probloems others don't, but this is really getting 
> annoying.  I checked my cursor tracking options in the Vo utilities menus  
> and they are fine; no changes evident.  Any ideas?  Thanks.
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New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread RvR
Hello all,
For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so hopefully
Voice Over is also included.
Best,
Ronald

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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
cool!

Do you have a link for the article you found this at?

Thanks
Ricardo
On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:

> Hello all,
> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so hopefully
> Voice Over is also included.
> Best,
> Ronald
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
It was alsojailboken. Read more.

http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> cool!
> 
> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
> 
> Thanks
> Ricardo
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so hopefully
>> Voice Over is also included.
>> Best,
>> Ronald
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.

What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.

REad more at http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/

On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>
> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>
>> cool!
>>
>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ricardo
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
>>> hopefully
>>> Voice Over is also included.
>>> Best,
>>> Ronald
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Re: Adobe Reader or Firefox

2010-09-28 Thread Scott Howell
Esther,

Thanks that is what I intended and stated incorrectly. I did try the voice in 
the reader and it was pretty much a drag, so I just stuck with Preview. It 
works for most my purposes, but for DRM content where you have to enter a user 
ID and/or password, it is incredibly painful and as best I recall I could not 
do it without sighted assistance.
On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hello Marcelo,
> 
> Although it is possible to use Adobe Reader to read PDF files under VoiceOver 
> control, I don't know of any VoiceOver user who prefers to use Adobe Reader 
> over Preview (or another third party software called Skim that goes beyond 
> Preview's capabilities by adding annotation features).  Almost everyone who 
> has switched to VoiceOver comments on how much nicer the experience is 
> reading PDFs with VoiceOver's native apps. (Scott may be thinking of Adobe 
> Acrobat Professional in his reply about accessibility.  It is true that books 
> encoded with Adobe's digital rights management cannot be read with Adobe's 
> software and screen readers, but they do have Adobe Reader for non-protected 
> PDF documents.)
> 
> If you really want to try using Adobe Reader instead of Preview, I can dig 
> out my notes.  Adobe Reader is sufficiently unintuitive that I have to keep a 
> record of the commands.  It uses text to speech rather than VoiceOver's 
> interactive controls.  You also need to check the right menus for the 
> controls, because the speed controls for text to speech speaking rate are set 
> within the app, and the system text to speech speaking rates are bypassed. I 
> ended up having to read through most of its rather complex menu structure.  
> There's a "Read Out Loud" command under the View menu that you'll need to 
> use.  Again, unlike the case with Preview you have more limited control.
> 
> And as Scott said, Firefox is not accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 08:15, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Firefox is not accessible at this time. I believe there is someone working 
>> on this, but for now it is Safari pretty much. I believe there are other 
>> browsers such as Opera, but I am not sure how well that works and others can 
>> comment. Preview is your only option for PDFs at this time. Adobe has 
>> decided the Mac platform does not have a sufficient number of users to 
>> invest time in making their products accessible. Well ok, that is what I 
>> gather from things I have read, but again, others may have more information 
>> that is not available to me.
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 12:23 PM, marcelo wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everybody!
>>> 
>>> I am testing Voice Over, and have a lot of questions! ...
>>> 
>>> 1) Anybody knows where can I find a serious report about testing this
>>> application? ...
>>> 
>>> 2) I think Firefox is not accessible with Voice Over, but what about
>>> "Adobe Reader" to read PDF files with Voice Over? ... or must I read
>>> PDF with PREVIEW application while I using Voice Over? ...
>>> 
>>> thanks at all (and sorry for my English!).
>>> 
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Announcing the Historical Access Preservation Project

2010-09-28 Thread Tyler Spivey

Hello,
I have started a new project, the Historical Access Preservation 
Project, or HAPP. The website is at:

http://allinaccess.com/happ
The goal of this project is to preserve the software needed to access 
older systems that are no longer in wide mainstream use, such as DOS, 
Macintosh pre-OSX, and OS/2.

Also included would be hardware devices such as the Braille 'N Speak.
So far, I'm looking for archives and information. Software archives that 
I can sort through and put what I can on the sight, and information such 
as documentation and current contact addresses of companies that may 
still be selling their applications, or may be willing to make them 
freeware/open source.


Any help that could be provided for this project would be appreciated.

Please forward this to anyone that might benefit from it

- Tyler

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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ahh darn. Well I still contacted apple about voice over on the new apple tvs 
and they said they would of corse forward it. I dunno if this one will be able 
to be pulled through this time.

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
> 
> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
> 
> REad more at http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
> 
> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> cool!
>>> 
>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Ricardo
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
 hopefully
 Voice Over is also included.
 Best,
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Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

2010-09-28 Thread Jude DaShiell
Okay, interact with the text window then hit enter once, and then try 
hitting up arrow once and listen to what happens.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, 
Sarah Alawami wrote:



I did. nothing. I heard the sound meaning there's nothing there, the hollow pop 
sound as I call it. lol!
On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:


Interact with the text window then try reading, that sometimes works in cases 
like these.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:


Yeah I tried that and it opeend a blank document with a n odd title in text 
edit. lol!
On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Sarah,

Did you get it to work?  Note there are two special characters in the
command, these are important to get right...

1. There is a "pipe" or "OR bar" as some might call it, (In US
keyboards it is a shifted back slash). This was between say and open.
This command is used in terminal to say send all the output from the
left side into the right side. (I hope that simplification makes
sense.

2. A minus sign in front of the f.  the minus sign makes the f an
option instead of a file name argument.

HTH
Best wishes,

Jon


On 24/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

I think I got it but not sure. it opened something but my text edit window
was blank. I'll look again when I get home.

S
On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.

Jon
instantaenious.

On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:

Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited about 1
to
2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say command.

Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.

S
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a
sound
file...

say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"

I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and not
have to switch to the finder.

In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we
will
find useful.

An example but not too usefull.

man say | open -f

This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open
that
manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).

Have fun with this,

Jon

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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Goldfinga Productions
Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is a 
remote app for the iPhone.

GF


On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
> 
> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
> 
> REad more at http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
> 
> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> cool!
>>> 
>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Ricardo
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
 hopefully
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Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Kimberly thurman
Hello folks:  

I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated 
every minute of it!   :)

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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
I did a podcast on text edit, and open office but you can stop whenI cover that.

http://www.podbean.com/podcast-download?b=200745&f=http://marrie.podbean.com/mf/web/p7vub/a_look_at_editing_on_the_mac.mp3

It covers just this subject.

S
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> Hello folks:  
> 
> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated 
> every minute of it!   :)
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think about it how 
are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these devices?

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:

> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is a 
> remote app for the iPhone.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
>> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
>> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>> 
>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
>> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
>> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
>> 
>> REad more at 
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>> 
>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 cool!
 
 Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
 
 Thanks
 Ricardo
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
 
> Hello all,
> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
> hopefully
> Voice Over is also included.
> Best,
> Ronald
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Re: Useful hint for terminal users "open -f"

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok I'll redo the command later when I have more energy. lol!

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Okay, interact with the text window then hit enter once, and then try hitting 
> up arrow once and listen to what happens.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami 
> wrote:
> 
>> I did. nothing. I heard the sound meaning there's nothing there, the hollow 
>> pop sound as I call it. lol!
>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> 
>>> Interact with the text window then try reading, that sometimes works in 
>>> cases like these.On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah I tried that and it opeend a blank document with a n odd title in 
 text edit. lol!
 On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:29 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 
> Sarah,
> 
> Did you get it to work?  Note there are two special characters in the
> command, these are important to get right...
> 
> 1. There is a "pipe" or "OR bar" as some might call it, (In US
> keyboards it is a shifted back slash). This was between say and open.
> This command is used in terminal to say send all the output from the
> left side into the right side. (I hope that simplification makes
> sense.
> 
> 2. A minus sign in front of the f.  the minus sign makes the f an
> option instead of a file name argument.
> 
> HTH
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On 24/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> I think I got it but not sure. it opened something but my text edit 
>> window
>> was blank. I'll look again when I get home.
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> It is more likely that I didn't write the command correcI will test my
>>> command with a cut and paste from home to ensure Iformatted it
>>> correctly.  It should'nt take more then 3 seconds.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> instantaenious.
>>> 
>>> On 23/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 Hmm how long does this process of manual creation last?  I waited 
 about 1
 to
 2 minutes and text edit did not open with the manual for the say 
 command.
 
 Take care. Maybe I'm not patient enough.
 
 S
 On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> I was playing around with making fun of "droid" adds. So I created a
> sound
> file...
> 
> say -o droiddead.aiff -v cello  "droid. is. dead. Long live I Phone"
> 
> I thought hmm,  I should be able to open this from the termial  and 
> not
> have to switch to the finder.
> 
> In the process, I discoverd that there is a -f option to open that we
> will
> find useful.
> 
> An example but not too usefull.
> 
> man say | open -f
> 
> This command will create a manual for the "say" command and then open
> that
> manual in textedit (or perhaps your preferred text editor ).
> 
> Have fun with this,
> 
> Jon
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi,

The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a place to 
type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.  I guess you 
could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little inconvenient, but not a show 
stopper for most I would think.

hth
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think about it 
> how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these devices?
> 
> S
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
> 
>> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is a 
>> remote app for the iPhone.
>> 
>> GF
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> 
>>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
>>> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
>>> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>>> 
>>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
>>> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
>>> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
>>> 
>>> REad more at 
>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>>> 
>>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
 It was alsojailboken. Read more.
 
 http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
> cool!
> 
> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
> 
> Thanks
> Ricardo
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
>> hopefully
>> Voice Over is also included.
>> Best,
>> Ronald
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Kimberly,

1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:

• Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
• Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
• Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
VO-space.
• choose your desired line spacing.

2.  To choose a font:

• Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
begin from where the cursor is.
• Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
• Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
• Interact With it.
• Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
Table.
• Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
 (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
• Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
there without the mouse-click.
• Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
• Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.

Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text.  
Just play around some more, it will come to you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Hello folks:  
> 
> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated 
> every minute of it!   :)
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
The thing I don't understand is why does that ruler not appear some time when I 
create an document? I have a theory and it's pretty dumb but here goes.

It might have something to do if I'm starting out in plain text or not right?

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi Kimberly,
> 
> 1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:
> 
>   • Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
>   • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
> VO-space.
>   • choose your desired line spacing.
> 
> 2.  To choose a font:
> 
>   • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
> begin from where the cursor is.
>   • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
>   • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
>   • Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
> Table.
>   • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
>  (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
>   • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
> there without the mouse-click.
>   • Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
>   • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.
> 
> Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text.  
> Just play around some more, it will come to you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks:  
>> 
>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
>> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really 
>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
Actually the code for itunes for the remote is changed. I can now no longer do 
it. I come across an unknown and can't do anything more with it. This was going 
to be a podcast but I had to quit in the  middle of it.
http://db.tt/1FFbC8v

I'm really hoping this is operator error as I have not done this in about 3 
months. lol!

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a place 
> to type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.  I guess 
> you could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little inconvenient, but not 
> a show stopper for most I would think.
> 
> hth
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think about it 
>> how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these devices?
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>> 
>>> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is a 
>>> remote app for the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> GF
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> 
 It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
 running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
 this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
 
 What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
 that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
 guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
 
 REad more at 
 http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
 
 On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
> 
> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> cool!
>> 
>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Ricardo
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
>>> hopefully
>>> Voice Over is also included.
>>> Best,
>>> Ronald
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Using Voiceover with Itunes USB File Sharing

2010-09-28 Thread Rose Morales
Hi all,
My apologies if this has been covered before, but I don't see any mention of 
this in the archives. A number of iPhone apps support transferring files from 
Itunes on your Mac or PC to the iPhone via USB. Am I correct in thinking that 
this feature is not accessible from the Mac side? From the research I've done, 
it seems one would have to drag a file into Itunes and then onto the iPhone. I 
have attempted to do this with Voiceover's drag-and-drop commands but have had 
no success. Any response would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Rose

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Re: Using Voiceover with Itunes USB File Sharing

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
Nope you can do it. Just sleect the app, which won't read in that particular 
table. it's the table after the main apps table, then hit the add button and it 
will be added to your phone. I've done it.
On Sep 28, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

> Hi all,
> My apologies if this has been covered before, but I don't see any mention of 
> this in the archives. A number of iPhone apps support transferring files from 
> Itunes on your Mac or PC to the iPhone via USB. Am I correct in thinking that 
> this feature is not accessible from the Mac side? From the research I've 
> done, it seems one would have to drag a file into Itunes and then onto the 
> iPhone. I have attempted to do this with Voiceover's drag-and-drop commands 
> but have had no success. Any response would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Rose
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Justin Ekis
Hi tim,

This is helpful to me as well. I have one question about the VO-t command for 
hearing the current text attributes. For some reason, this command works fine 
for me when I open existing documents but all I get is one of the voiceover 
sounds when I use it in a newly created document. This is the same whether I 
use textedit, bean, or my trial version of pages. Any ideas what I might be 
missing
On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Kimberly,

1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:

• Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
• Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
• Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
VO-space.
• choose your desired line spacing.

2.  To choose a font:

• Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
begin from where the cursor is.
• Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
• Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
• Interact With it.
• Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
Table.
• Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
 (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
• Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
there without the mouse-click.
• Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
• Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.

Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text.  
Just play around some more, it will come to you.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Hello folks:  
> 
> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated 
> every minute of it!   :)
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Justin,

Does your document have any text in it at all?  If the document is empty then 
pressing VO-t will yield a muffled ding noise because there's nothing there for 
it to take the text attributes of.  Simply type one letter and then press the 
VO-t command and you'll hear the text attributes.  If that is not the issue, 
let me know and I'll dig some more for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-09-28, at 10:32 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi tim,
> 
> This is helpful to me as well. I have one question about the VO-t command for 
> hearing the current text attributes. For some reason, this command works fine 
> for me when I open existing documents but all I get is one of the voiceover 
> sounds when I use it in a newly created document. This is the same whether I 
> use textedit, bean, or my trial version of pages. Any ideas what I might be 
> missing
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimberly,
> 
> 1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:
> 
>   • Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
>   • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
> VO-space.
>   • choose your desired line spacing.
> 
> 2.  To choose a font:
> 
>   • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
> begin from where the cursor is.
>   • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
>   • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
>   • Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
> Table.
>   • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
>  (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
>   • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
> there without the mouse-click.
>   • Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
>   • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.
> 
> Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text.  
> Just play around some more, it will come to you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks:  
>> 
>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
>> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really 
>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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Re: Using Voiceover with Itunes USB File Sharing

2010-09-28 Thread Rose Morales
Wow. I was fiddling with this for what felt like forever in Itunes 9, and I 
could get it to work. But with your instructions, it works. Thanks.
On Sep 29, 2010, at 12:25 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Nope you can do it. Just sleect the app, which won't read in that particular 
> table. it's the table after the main apps table, then hit the add button and 
> it will be added to your phone. I've done it.
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Rose Morales wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> My apologies if this has been covered before, but I don't see any mention of 
>> this in the archives. A number of iPhone apps support transferring files 
>> from Itunes on your Mac or PC to the iPhone via USB. Am I correct in 
>> thinking that this feature is not accessible from the Mac side? From the 
>> research I've done, it seems one would have to drag a file into Itunes and 
>> then onto the iPhone. I have attempted to do this with Voiceover's 
>> drag-and-drop commands but have had no success. Any response would be 
>> appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Rose
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Justin Ekis
Hi tim,

LOL. Nope, I wouldn't try to get the attributes of non-existent text. Don't 
think you'd get terribly far with that one. Seriously though, I usually write a 
paragraph or two, then I feel like I need to make sure it's formatted correctly 
even though I know that I changed the settings. Most of the time I just get 
that ding sound.

Thanks.


On Sep 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi Justin,

Does your document have any text in it at all?  If the document is empty then 
pressing VO-t will yield a muffled ding noise because there's nothing there for 
it to take the text attributes of.  Simply type one letter and then press the 
VO-t command and you'll hear the text attributes.  If that is not the issue, 
let me know and I'll dig some more for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2010-09-28, at 10:32 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi tim,
> 
> This is helpful to me as well. I have one question about the VO-t command for 
> hearing the current text attributes. For some reason, this command works fine 
> for me when I open existing documents but all I get is one of the voiceover 
> sounds when I use it in a newly created document. This is the same whether I 
> use textedit, bean, or my trial version of pages. Any ideas what I might be 
> missing
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
> Hi Kimberly,
> 
> 1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:
> 
>   • Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
>   • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
> VO-space.
>   • choose your desired line spacing.
> 
> 2.  To choose a font:
> 
>   • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
> begin from where the cursor is.
>   • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
>   • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
>   • Interact With it.
>   • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
> Table.
>   • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
>  (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
>   • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
> there without the mouse-click.
>   • Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
>   • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.
> 
> Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text.  
> Just play around some more, it will come to you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks:  
>> 
>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
>> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really 
>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Teresa Cochran
Justin, try interacting with your text once you've typed it. this has seemed to 
work in my case.

Teresa
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi tim,
> 
> LOL. Nope, I wouldn't try to get the attributes of non-existent text. Don't 
> think you'd get terribly far with that one. Seriously though, I usually write 
> a paragraph or two, then I feel like I need to make sure it's formatted 
> correctly even though I know that I changed the settings. Most of the time I 
> just get that ding sound.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
> Hi Justin,
> 
> Does your document have any text in it at all?  If the document is empty then 
> pressing VO-t will yield a muffled ding noise because there's nothing there 
> for it to take the text attributes of.  Simply type one letter and then press 
> the VO-t command and you'll hear the text attributes.  If that is not the 
> issue, let me know and I'll dig some more for you.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2010-09-28, at 10:32 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
> 
>> Hi tim,
>> 
>> This is helpful to me as well. I have one question about the VO-t command 
>> for hearing the current text attributes. For some reason, this command works 
>> fine for me when I open existing documents but all I get is one of the 
>> voiceover sounds when I use it in a newly created document. This is the same 
>> whether I use textedit, bean, or my trial version of pages. Any ideas what I 
>> might be missing
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kimberly,
>> 
>> 1.  To set the line spacing in TextEdit:
>> 
>>  • Stop Interacting with the Edit field.
>>  • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it.
>>  • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with 
>> VO-space.
>>  • choose your desired line spacing.
>> 
>> 2.  To choose a font:
>> 
>>  • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will 
>> begin from where the cursor is.
>>  • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window.
>>  • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table.
>>  • Interact With it.
>>  • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered 
>> Table.
>>  • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. 
>>  (Add the fn key if on a laptop)
>>  • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go 
>> there without the mouse-click.
>>  • Press cmd-w to close the Font window.
>>  • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font.
>> 
>> Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text. 
>>  Just play around some more, it will come to you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello folks:  
>>> 
>>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
>>> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really 
>>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Rose Morales
Sarah,
I just tried the latest Open Office last night. When I hit a command-comma, OO 
crashes. Any idea how to fix this? If it's in your podcast, I'll happily 
download it.
Rose
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I did a podcast on text edit, and open office but you can stop whenI cover 
> that.
> 
> http://www.podbean.com/podcast-download?b=200745&f=http://marrie.podbean.com/mf/web/p7vub/a_look_at_editing_on_the_mac.mp3
> 
> It covers just this subject.
> 
> S
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Hello folks:  
>> 
>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
>> really appreciate it.  I had to drag out the windows machine and really 
>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Ricardo Walker
It works just fine.

I just did it on the first try.  I would suggest being in the sources table 
before hitting add anew library on the remote app.  Then remember if your 
devices is connect to your computer that you will see 2 names.  For example, 
Ricardo's iPhone followed by the battery percentage, and Ricardo's iPhone 
followed by the word sources.  This is the one you need to be on in the sources 
table.  Then tab twice and you will here unknown.  Now type in the 4 digit code 
displayed on your device in the remote app.  You will then be able to brows and 
control your iTunes library via your Remote app.

hth 
On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Actually the code for itunes for the remote is changed. I can now no longer 
> do it. I come across an unknown and can't do anything more with it. This was 
> going to be a podcast but I had to quit in the  middle of it.
> http://db.tt/1FFbC8v
> 
> I'm really hoping this is operator error as I have not done this in about 3 
> months. lol!
> 
> S
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a place 
>> to type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.  I 
>> guess you could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little inconvenient, 
>> but not a show stopper for most I would think.
>> 
>> hth
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think about it 
>>> how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these devices?
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
>>> 
 Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is a 
 remote app for the iPhone.
 
 GF
 
 
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
 
> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
> 
> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
> 
> REad more at 
> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
> 
> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> cool!
>>> 
>>> Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Ricardo
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
 hopefully
 Voice Over is also included.
 Best,
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Operation Could Not Be Completed; File exists

2010-09-28 Thread Teresa Cochran
I get this error message when I attempt to delete messages or empty the 
mail trash folder. How can I resolve this problem?

Thanks,
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Re: New Apple TV runs IOS 4.1

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
I did and hit enter and nothing happened.

Take care.

S
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:29 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> It works just fine.
> 
> I just did it on the first try.  I would suggest being in the sources table 
> before hitting add anew library on the remote app.  Then remember if your 
> devices is connect to your computer that you will see 2 names.  For example, 
> Ricardo's iPhone followed by the battery percentage, and Ricardo's iPhone 
> followed by the word sources.  This is the one you need to be on in the 
> sources table.  Then tab twice and you will here unknown.  Now type in the 4 
> digit code displayed on your device in the remote app.  You will then be able 
> to brows and control your iTunes library via your Remote app.
> 
> hth 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Actually the code for itunes for the remote is changed. I can now no longer 
>> do it. I come across an unknown and can't do anything more with it. This was 
>> going to be a podcast but I had to quit in the  middle of it.
>> http://db.tt/1FFbC8v
>> 
>> I'm really hoping this is operator error as I have not done this in about 3 
>> months. lol!
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The remote app for IOS is accessible.  I would assume there will be a place 
>>> to type a code into Apple tv just like you type in a code on iTunes.  I 
>>> guess you could just ask someone to do it for you?  A little inconvenient, 
>>> but not a show stopper for most I would think.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 I believe so but I dunno how well it works. Oh no now that I think about 
 it how are you going ot enter in the code for the paring of these devices?
 
 S
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:
 
> Can't one, in Theory, use the iPhone as a remote for it though? There is 
> a remote app for the iPhone.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> It won't come with voiceover; all that we have learnt is that it's
>> running a customised version of ios which can be jailbroken, although
>> this almost surtainly does not translate to us getting vo.
>> 
>> What we'll see is 3rd party addons to the front row type application
>> that enable services that the device should have had by default. I
>> guess me hoping for a complete ios port was a bit silly really.
>> 
>> REad more at 
>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/28/appletv-under-the-hood-first-look/
>> 
>> On 28/09/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>>> It was alsojailboken. Read more.
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/a15QBa.
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 cool!
 
 Do you have a link for the article you found this at?
 
 Thanks
 Ricardo
 On Sep 28, 2010, at 4:43 PM, RvR wrote:
 
> Hello all,
> For all interested I read the new Apple TV will run on IOS 4.1, so
> hopefully
> Voice Over is also included.
> Best,
> Ronald
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Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit

2010-09-28 Thread Sarah Alawami
OO tha'ts odd. No it didn't happen to me I don't think. but you might want to 
report that. I believe there is an email address someware ont his list to the 
access team of open office.
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Rose Morales wrote:

> Sarah,
> I just tried the latest Open Office last night. When I hit a command-comma, 
> OO crashes. Any idea how to fix this? If it's in your podcast, I'll happily 
> download it.
> Rose
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I did a podcast on text edit, and open office but you can stop whenI cover 
>> that.
>> 
>> http://www.podbean.com/podcast-download?b=200745&f=http://marrie.podbean.com/mf/web/p7vub/a_look_at_editing_on_the_mac.mp3
>> 
>> It covers just this subject.
>> 
>> S
>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 7:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello folks:  
>>> 
>>> I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most 
>>> instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing.  I've checked the 
>>> fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing.  Does anyone have 
>>> experience with this?  If so, could you give me a pointer or two?  I would 
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>>> hated every minute of it!   :)
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