Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Michael Thurman]

that is why I got a macbook instead of the mini  glad i did but it cost me more 
money  maybe that's why they did it

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Why is it sluggish without a monitor?  That does not make sense.  Why should 
> someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running 
> up extra electricity costs.
> 
> Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies!
> 
> I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one.
> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't use a 
>> mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really 
>> know much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine 
>> without the monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though.
>> Hth,
>> Courtney
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for the 
>>> initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are required for the 
>>> setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required but I'm 
>>> unsure
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, all.
I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the
 new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before I
 obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be possible to use
 it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, when is the
 check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done
 periodically throughout the use of the system?
 Thanks in advance.
 Aman
 
 
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Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[clarence griffin]

Oh, but you can. lol. OUr dear friend Bryan Smart has created a script. I will 
leave it up to him to pass it around though. I don't know if he is going to 
charge for it. I doubt it though. He can tell you more about it. Its pretty 
kool. All you do is press command X like normal, and it will bring up a dialog 
that looks like the file browse dialog. You choose the folder you want the file 
or what ever in, and press enter on it, and it goes there and deletes its self 
from the other location. so it basically simulates a cut and paste. Pretty neet 
stuff.

GF


On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> Unfortunately, there's no way to cut, you can only copy, which I think is 
> really a shame. I wish this would be fixed, although I know this is on 
> purpose. 
> Hth,
> Courtney
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:
> 
>> I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
>> location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
>> the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
>> option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
>> and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
>> but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
>> do it.  Can someone tell me how:
>> 1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
>> command.
>> 2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
>> which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
>> 2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
>> confusing.
>> Alfredo
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Re: VoiceOver 4.0

[Michael Thurman]

if you are reading something, or even if youare not  with the track pad 
commander turned on you can control speech rate by holding down control and 
turning the rotor then when you let go the speech continues
optin does pitch command does volume

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Chris, 
> I was somehow blissfully not aware of the ability to switch speech rate and 
> language without going into the voiceover utility. Now that I know about it, 
> I will definitely use it.
> 
> mary
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Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
Oh, wow! That's neat, I hope he tells us more about it, wonder how much 
knowlidge of the terminal you have to have to use it.
Courtney
On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, clarence griffin wrote:

> Oh, but you can. lol. OUr dear friend Bryan Smart has created a script. I 
> will leave it up to him to pass it around though. I don't know if he is going 
> to charge for it. I doubt it though. He can tell you more about it. Its 
> pretty kool. All you do is press command X like normal, and it will bring up 
> a dialog that looks like the file browse dialog. You choose the folder you 
> want the file or what ever in, and press enter on it, and it goes there and 
> deletes its self from the other location. so it basically simulates a cut and 
> paste. Pretty neet stuff.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Unfortunately, there's no way to cut, you can only copy, which I think is 
>> really a shame. I wish this would be fixed, although I know this is on 
>> purpose. 
>> Hth,
>> Courtney
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>> 
>>> I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
>>> location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
>>> the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
>>> option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
>>> and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
>>> but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
>>> do it.  Can someone tell me how:
>>> 1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
>>> command.
>>> 2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
>>> which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
>>> 2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
>>> confusing.
>>> Alfredo
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Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[clarence griffin]

you don't. just press command X and it does all the work. you pick the folder 
or location you want the file, and it goes.

GF


On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> Oh, wow! That's neat, I hope he tells us more about it, wonder how much 
> knowlidge of the terminal you have to have to use it.
> Courtney
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, clarence griffin wrote:
> 
>> Oh, but you can. lol. OUr dear friend Bryan Smart has created a script. I 
>> will leave it up to him to pass it around though. I don't know if he is 
>> going to charge for it. I doubt it though. He can tell you more about it. 
>> Its pretty kool. All you do is press command X like normal, and it will 
>> bring up a dialog that looks like the file browse dialog. You choose the 
>> folder you want the file or what ever in, and press enter on it, and it goes 
>> there and deletes its self from the other location. so it basically 
>> simulates a cut and paste. Pretty neet stuff.
>> 
>> GF
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Unfortunately, there's no way to cut, you can only copy, which I think is 
>>> really a shame. I wish this would be fixed, although I know this is on 
>>> purpose. 
>>> Hth,
>>> Courtney
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:
>>> 
 I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
 location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
 the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
 option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
 and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
 but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
 do it.  Can someone tell me how:
 1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
 command.
 2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
 which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
 2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.
 
 Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
 confusing.
 Alfredo
 
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Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone

[Scott Howell]

If there was one thing I would like to see change in that product, it would be 
to make the tap of the key in five or 10 minute steps. You know that 15 just 
means you will fall asleep in 7.5 and miss something good. :)
On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> The Stream has a sleep timer, controlled with one oval shaped button. Each 
> time you press it, it adds 15 minutes to the sleep timer, up to a max of one 
> hour. When the sleep timer runs down to 0, the Stream shuts off and saves 
> your place in the book. That way, you can listen to a book as you go to 
> sleep, but not wake up to find that you're now all the way at the end of the 
> book, and be forced to find your place again.
> 
> When I go to sleep, I might set the sleep timer for 30 minutes. Since the 
> sleep timer is controlled by one button that is easy to identify with touch, 
> if I lay in bed for a while, but am not dropping off to sleep right away, I 
> can reach over and tap the button to throw another 15 minutes on the sleep 
> timer without really having to wake up all of the way.
> 
> Most of the other book readers have sleep timers, as a feature, but get the 
> implementation wrong. I remember looking at the BookSense at a trade show. 
> The rep was showing me all of the advanced features (Bluetooth headset 
> support, FM radio, etc). The drawback is that you work it all with a tiny set 
> of buttons and lots of menus. I asked him about the sleep timer. He started 
> telling me how you could go in to the menus, navigate to a sub menu, find the 
> sleep timer settings, and select the time. I thought that, by the time that I 
> do all of that  to add another 15 minutes, I'd be awake again.
> 
> Products aren't just features. Think of how many people rarely used the timed 
> record features on VCRs back in the day because a bunch of buttons and a 
> small one-line LCD made the process to cryptic? Or how backup software for a 
> computer has been around for a long time, but it took Time Machine to make it 
> so simple that you didn't need to learn how to do it. For a laugh, compare 
> the size of the iPhone manual against manuals of other smartphones. They're 
> is less to explain about the iPhone, because more of it works as you'd 
> expect. The reason that products have manuals in the first place is to 
> explain the parts that you won't naturally understand. In many cases, it's 
> true that, the larger the manual, the larger your design failure. Technology 
> that many people will use on a daily basis shouldn't ever require a manual or 
> a course in order to comprehend. If it does, you should have designed it to 
> operate differently.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone
> 
> Sleep button for audiobooks?  What does this do?
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> Bryan, owning a VRS and a Book SEnse, I adamantly concur.  Yeah, I know it's 
>> gadget overload, but I'll never need to buy a car with said payments being 
>> more than the price of one of these gadgets  every month.  I suppose that's 
>> how I justify the expense.  LOL!  I have put audiobooks on my iPod 
>> Touch, but I still enjoy listening to them on the Stream or Book Sense more. 
>>  Like you, I can also operate these gadgets flawlessly while half   asleep.  
>> As a matter of fact, I don't believe there is a designated sleep button on 
>> the iPod Touch or the iPhone for use while listening to books which, for me, 
>> is a necessity.
>> 
>> Choice is the key here though.  Different strokes for different folks!
>> 
>> n Jun 27, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, a Windows user might say that they can purchase a computer, far more 
>>> powerful than your Mac, and for less money, so why waste money on a Mac? Or 
>>> many people wonder why people bother buying iPhones, when the new Android 
>>> phones far outclass the iPhone in terms of specs and open operation? Cost 
>>> isn't always the point, though.
>>> 
>>> I don't want to sound like I'm down on them making this program. I might 
>>> buy it. Actually, I wonder why I'm arguing this on a listserv, anyway. I 
>>> know that many blind tech people are rightly down on some of the 
>>> over-priced specialized blindness gadgets. But, seriously, this isn't a 
>>> $5,000 note taker. Most of the book  readers aren't much more than $300. 
>>> That is damn cheap for a device that is optimized to be controlled with 
>>> buttons and speech feedback, rather than using touch-screen gestures to 
>>> review and control a visually-optimized interface. You're waiting for NLS 
>>> support, which they may never provide. Meanwhile, the Stream works with 
>>> NLS, RFB&D, newsline, practically all other major talking book libr

Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
That's awesome. It sounds so easy.
Courtney
On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:15 PM, clarence griffin wrote:

> you don't. just press command X and it does all the work. you pick the folder 
> or location you want the file, and it goes.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Oh, wow! That's neat, I hope he tells us more about it, wonder how much 
>> knowlidge of the terminal you have to have to use it.
>> Courtney
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:06 PM, clarence griffin wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, but you can. lol. OUr dear friend Bryan Smart has created a script. I 
>>> will leave it up to him to pass it around though. I don't know if he is 
>>> going to charge for it. I doubt it though. He can tell you more about it. 
>>> Its pretty kool. All you do is press command X like normal, and it will 
>>> bring up a dialog that looks like the file browse dialog. You choose the 
>>> folder you want the file or what ever in, and press enter on it, and it 
>>> goes there and deletes its self from the other location. so it basically 
>>> simulates a cut and paste. Pretty neet stuff.
>>> 
>>> GF
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Unfortunately, there's no way to cut, you can only copy, which I think is 
 really a shame. I wish this would be fixed, although I know this is on 
 purpose. 
 Hth,
 Courtney
 On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:
 
> I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
> location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
> the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
> option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
> and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
> but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
> do it.  Can someone tell me how:
> 1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
> command.
> 2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
> which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
> 2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
> confusing.
> Alfredo
> 
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Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for iPhone

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

if you are talking about the nls players, the sleep button will shut  
off after 15, 30, 45, or 60 minutes depending on how many times you  
press it.  hope that helps, max

On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


Sleep button for audiobooks?  What does this do?
On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

Bryan, owning a VRS and a Book SEnse, I adamantly concur.  Yeah, I  
know it's gadget overload, but I'll never need to buy a car with  
said payments being more than the price of one of these gadgets   
every month.  I suppose that's how I justify the expense.   
LOL!  I have put audiobooks on my iPod Touch, but I still enjoy  
listening to them on the Stream or Book Sense more.  Like you, I  
can also operate these gadgets flawlessly while half   asleep.  As  
a matter of fact, I don't believe there is a designated sleep  
button on the iPod Touch or the iPhone for use while listening to  
books which, for me, is a necessity.


Choice is the key here though.  Different strokes for different  
folks!


n Jun 27, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

Well, a Windows user might say that they can purchase a computer,  
far more powerful than your Mac, and for less money, so why waste  
money on a Mac? Or many people wonder why people bother buying  
iPhones, when the new Android phones far outclass the iPhone in  
terms of specs and open operation? Cost isn't always the point,  
though.


I don't want to sound like I'm down on them making this program. I  
might buy it. Actually, I wonder why I'm arguing this on a  
listserv, anyway. I know that many blind tech people are rightly  
down on some of the over-priced specialized blindness gadgets.  
But, seriously, this isn't a $5,000 note taker. Most of the book   
readers aren't much more than $300. That is damn cheap for a  
device that is optimized to be controlled with buttons and speech  
feedback, rather than using touch-screen gestures to review and  
control a visually-optimized interface. You're waiting for NLS  
support, which they may never provide. Meanwhile, the Stream works  
with NLS, RFB&D, newsline, practically all other major talking  
book libraries in the world, DVS movies from places like SamNet,  
plays Daisy audio books in both MP3 and 3GP audio formats (which  
this probably won't ever play, so probably no NLS support), plays  
commercial audio books (including Audible), plays books that you  
rip from CD yourself as books with all book features (bookmarks,  
notes, highlighting, etc) still in effect (not just loading MP3s  
in to a media player), reads Daisy books in text format, reads  
HTML and plane text with full book navigation and note taking  
features, plays MP3, OGG, and uncompressed music, and a bunch of  
other stuff, for 15+ hours at a stretch (no add-on battery pack  
required), for $300. And it operates so simply that you don't need  
hardly any sort of instruction to use it, and, without even using  
this app, I can state with certainty that no iPhone app is ever  
going to allow me to zip through menus like I can on a dedicated  
device. I can work it half asleep, which I often do. These little  
devices are really something for $300. So, just like getting a Mac  
instead of Windows, or an iPhone instead of a Droid, you're buying  
it not because it's the rock-bottom option in terms of cost, but  
because of the optimized user experience, and the fact that it  
just works.


Anyway, all this to make the point that, regardless of software,  
my prediction is that, with no dedicated hardware for decrypting  
books, and no hardware support for decoding the audio formats that  
some of them use, all of that will be running in software,  
constantly running the CPU at max, sucking down battery power, and  
you'll be lucky to get 4 hours out of a stock battery before the  
phone goes from full charge to fully dead. Maybe a battery pack  
could stretch it to 8. Even so, it will support far less content,  
and the interface will be far slower to operate. I don't think  
that translates in to a good book player. I hope that they can  
prove me wrong.


I'd probably be willing to trade off some of the stream's long run- 
time and sacrifice its great interface, if the iPhone app would  
actually do more than a digital book player. Right now it does  
less in every regard. What I'd like to see is this app become a  
blind version of Netflix, offering content on demand. If you could  
start this reader app, and browse/stream content from various  
providers like the talking book libraries, Bookshare, etc, then  
I'd consider it superior. That would also get rid of the whole  
overhead of having to make sure your phone and computer are on the  
same Wi-Fi network (this isn't always possible), and upload books  
to your phone over FTP. Basically, these guys should stop trying  
to think about how to port a desktop Daisy book reader to the  
iPhone, which is what they've done so far, and start thinking of  
th

saytext is available

[joseph]

hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
luck than me.

regards.

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Re: VoiceOver 4.0

[Mary Otten]

Michael,
I think that pressing the vo keys plus a will do the same as the insert down 
arrow in JAWS. I don't use JAWS, or haven't for a while, but I think insert 
down arrow reads from cursor position forward; if that is the case, then vo 
keys plus a does the trick. Or you could have something in keyboard commander 
or a keypad gesture if using the Macbook, to accomplish that task I believe. 

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Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

hey facebook is ok as long as you use the mobile version at  
m.facebook.com  i'm kind of scared of skype. take care, max

On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

500 friends? jeez you are a popular lady. I don't have a Skype  
account because I would have a big fat zero friends on it.  I don't  
know anyone that uses it (yet) they all seem to hide behind Facebook  
and MSN Messenger!  This skype thing any good then?  Could maybe  
chat to some of the US buds I am making online *grin* Bet you my  
Skype runs better then yours with my big fat zero! LOL

On 28 Jun 2010, at 23:51, Sarah Alawami wrote:

I'll try it again then. I'm still new at the voice over thing so  
some of my issues might be operator error. lol!


S
On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Earle wrote:

I just heard your recording, and I see what you mean.  The only  
thing I can think of, would be to show only contacts
that are online.  If you could hit the back button when you first  
sign in, you could choose online contacts.  Keep in
mind, your list will take some time to populate, and vo will be  
sluggish until it does.  After the list loads, vo should
be fine.  You said that you have over 500 contacts, so if you were  
to show only online contacts, you'd probably have
better luck with it.  Like I said vo will be sluggish while the  
list is populating.


Earle

msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca

twitter, skype, and facebook:  rowdyamerican
- Original Message -
From: "Sarah Alawami" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4


Ok Just made a recording  of me trying to use skype and the iphone  
3gs using the may 29th update of skype.


S

Here it is.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/skype_issues_on_iphone_3gs.m4a

Take care.

S
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Cody Hurst wrote:


Skype works fine for me and I'm using the new phone with skype 2.0
On Jun 28, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

I don't knwo how skype will be onteh new phone. I'm having  
plenty of issues. and I would wait until they update it to

multy task or what ever it is called.

S
On Jun 27, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:


Guys,
I'm picking up an iPhone in two weeks or so when they have more  
in.  Does anyone have a recommendation for the
best Skype app in IOS4?  Is it possible to hear a tone when  
someone is skyping you with this new app?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

sounds kind of like the older windows machines where they wouldn't  
boot up  unless a monitor and keyboard were connected even if you  
turned the monitor off.  take care, max

On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


It's true,

I have my mini hooked up to my TV.  When my TV is turned off the Mac  
still tells me the brand and resolution of my TV.

On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

I am a bit confused here, another group member on here (Chris G?)  
said earlier he has a mac mini and has a monitor plugged into it,  
but never turns the monitor on.  So how can the mac detect what  
resolution the monitor is if it is switched off?


agree though for not much more you can have a Macbook with the  
lovely gesture trackpad.  I managed to get the Macbook aluminium 13  
inch before they put the price up and turned it into a Macbook Pro.

On 28 Jun 2010, at 22:44, Bryan Smart wrote:

This doesn't exactly involve the video driver. The driver for your  
video card is fine. It just can't find an attached monitor, so  
can't report to OS X what display resolutions are available on it.


I don't think that a dummy driver is likely. On the Mac, you don't  
select video drivers. If your card is supported, the OS uses it,  
if not, well it doesn't. The driver for the card detects the  
monitor. I don't even know how Apple would go about allowing you  
to select some custom driver. They go out of their way to prevent  
people from having to select and/or manage drivers. So, making any  
change like that wouldn't be a simple fix. They'd have to add some  
new screens and options to the Display preferences, probably, and  
that can't be undertaken without a lot of departments becoming  
involved. Since the problem only affects a very few users, and  
those users have a very inexpensive solution (plug in a monitor),  
I don't think that they'll spend money and time on changing it.


Really, you people that want a portable, need a MacBook. They're  
around $1,000, which is what you'd pay after upgrading a Mini,  
anyway.


Bryan

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Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

Hello Bryan

On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they  
can show at once based on the current display resolution. The Mac  
determines the available screen resolutions by determining the  
type of monitor that is connected. When no monitor is connected,  
no screen resolution is defined, and so any program that depends  
on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a  
screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen  
with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation,  
because they can't test without some sort of monitor connected.  
Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program among many  
that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen.


You are absolutely correct.  I thought that Apple could just  
implement a dummy video driver that one could set their own  
parameters.  Do you see any reason why this wouldn't work?


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Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

hello; you want to use command c for copy and command v for paste.  
hope that helps, max

On Jun 28, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:


I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
do it.  Can someone tell me how:
1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
command.
2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.

Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
confusing.
Alfredo

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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Michael Thurman]

how does he use a computer as a directv receiver I will happily pay pay the 
extr cost that directv is over cable IF I can actually operate the reciever 
somehow. as it is I can't stand any of the recievers or boxes as they are 
toally useless to me 
On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> To be honest, I want a macbook first. I just got this mini last month and 
> felt guilty for it then. I think having another Mac mini for use with the 
> television would be a great idea though. I have a friend who uses his own 
> computers as a direct TV receiver and the mini might be an option for that as 
> well. Eventually you could save the cost of the mini doing this.
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Ha ha! good man, so getting back on topic and away from my personal life 
>> (grin), you gonna buy one?
>> On 28 Jun 2010, at 01:34, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure Chris, hide behind one of those names that leave you anonymous. Now I 
>>> know coach, Anthropology and such things are in your vocabulary. 
>>> 
>>> Good advice though and coming from someone on the other team, I'll take the 
>>> wisdom.
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 yes, but sadly as I play for the other team I would probably keep hitting 
 on he husbands lol 
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:47, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> Have you considered marriage counciling as a future career?
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Well all them pairs of shoes and hand bags she bought which were 
>> apparently on sale and saved her money were all my idea.  
>> 
>> so get your own back and set up that mac mini on your huge TV in the 
>> living room!
>> 
>> Actually I am very jealous as this time last year when I could see I 
>> would have killed for a mac with HDMI on i for my living room.  Let's 
>> just hope the updated iTV is accessible with some sort of TV content as 
>> my cable box is now useless.  I am not sure if Richard Branson's Virgin 
>> team will have the foresight to add talking menus or enable the iPhone 
>> to control the device via VoiceOver and a wi fi  signal.
>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:09, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, I'll tell my wife, I bought it because Chris told me it was OK.
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 Treat yourself :o) 
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:53, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> Come on Chris, you're gonna make me want to go buy one of the new 
> ones now.
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> You can also use an HD TV with the mac mini via HDMI if you have one 
>> of them kicking around.
>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:35, Chris G wrote:
>> 
>>> On the new Mac minis a monitor is required.   In my case the monitor
>>> isn't even turned on or plugged into AC power, just connected to the
>>> mini.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:30:37 -0400
>>> Cody Hurst  wrote:
>>> 
 I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be 
 for the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are 
 required for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that 
 it was required but I'm unsure
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
 
> Hi, all.
>   I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of 
> the
> new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. 
> Before I
> obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be 
> possible to use
> it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, 
> when is the
> check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done
> periodically throughout the use of the system?
> Thanks in advance.
> Aman
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Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4

[Sarah Alawami]

yeah maybe. I think I'll do that ina few days. lol! I'm actually thinking of 
doign just that.
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Maybe it is time to get a faster phone with more memory then? Either that or 
> you will have to butcher your friends list.  The first option might be more 
> polite though *hugs* 
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 23:57, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Well it's sort of working but not really. I hit the boundry where I can't 
>> flick anymore and I'm only on d and then the phone will slow to a crowl.. 
>> This is very very odd.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Earle wrote:
>> 
>>> I just heard your recording, and I see what you mean.  The only thing I can 
>>> think of, would be to show only contacts 
>>> that are online.  If you could hit the back button when you first sign in, 
>>> you could choose online contacts.  Keep in 
>>> mind, your list will take some time to populate, and vo will be sluggish 
>>> until it does.  After the list loads, vo should 
>>> be fine.  You said that you have over 500 contacts, so if you were to show 
>>> only online contacts, you'd probably have 
>>> better luck with it.  Like I said vo will be sluggish while the list is 
>>> populating.
>>> 
>>> Earle
>>> 
>>> msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca
>>> 
>>> twitter, skype, and facebook:  rowdyamerican
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Sarah Alawami" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok Just made a recording  of me trying to use skype and the iphone 3gs 
>>> using the may 29th update of skype.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> 
>>> Here it is.
>>> 
>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/skype_issues_on_iphone_3gs.m4a
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Cody Hurst wrote:
>>> 
 Skype works fine for me and I'm using the new phone with skype 2.0
 On Jun 28, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> I don't knwo how skype will be onteh new phone. I'm having plenty of 
> issues. and I would wait until they update it to 
> multy task or what ever it is called.
> 
> S
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>> I'm picking up an iPhone in two weeks or so when they have more in.  
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for the 
>> best Skype app in IOS4?  Is it possible to hear a tone when someone is 
>> skyping you with this new app?
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
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Re: VoiceOver 4.0

[Sarah Alawami]

I use a swipe down with 2 fingers as my say all and works good.

S
On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Michael,
> I think that pressing the vo keys plus a will do the same as the insert down 
> arrow in JAWS. I don't use JAWS, or haven't for a while, but I think insert 
> down arrow reads from cursor position forward; if that is the case, then vo 
> keys plus a does the trick. Or you could have something in keyboard commander 
> or a keypad gesture if using the Macbook, to accomplish that task I believe. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: saytext is available

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my phone in 
a few dys.

S
On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:

> hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
> in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
> luck than me.
> 
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Michael Thurman]

mine doesn't come up either if it crashes I have had to hard shut down  hold 
power for a few secs and restart the machint to get it back

On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yours literally won't come back up? Now that's even more strange. Mine comes 
> up after about ten seconds or so and I'm fine on its own.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
> 
>> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, 
>> VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of 
>> mine. I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost 
>> my speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that 
>> we can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
>> Best regards
>> Søren Jensen
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>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>> 
>> Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:08 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is 
>>> going to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
>>> 
>>> regards,
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>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Nic,
 
 I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem 
 to be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the 
 crash log.
 
 When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
 but it still happens all the time.
 
 It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: saytext is available

[Buddy Brannan]

Hey, the price is right :-) I just got it. Now to try it.
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On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my phone 
> in a few dys.
> 
> S
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
>> in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
>> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
>> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
>> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
>> luck than me.
>> 
>> regards.
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Re: saytext is available

[Sarah Alawami]

I'm not sure it will work on the iphone though yet the iphone 3 anyways.

Take care.

S
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my phone 
>> in a few dys.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
>> 
>>> hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
>>> in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
>>> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
>>> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
>>> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
>>> luck than me.
>>> 
>>> regards.
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Where Is The Delete Or Backspace Keys Located?

[Georges Zaynoun]

Hello!
When I type on BrailleConnect12 on the iPod Touch and make mistakes it 
is obvious that I want to backspace or delete, I cannot for the life of 
me find any combination that makes that so does anybody has a 
suggestion other than clearing the whole text, or where can I find 
these buttons on the touch screen directly? Thanks to the person who 
suggested chord e to open web sites.


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Any Voip App Please?

[Georges Zaynoun]

Hi,
On the PC side I use a program called voipdiscount that lets me call 
free landline phones in many countries and for a very small amount of 
money landlines and cellular phones where the free calling is not 
available. I want a similar app or same voip discount for the iPod if 
possible before going the skype route, any suggestions?


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Re: saytext is available

[Doug Lawlor]

I tried this app using the iPhone 3GS with a magazine and seem to be getting 
the same results as you describe. I even turned on the light over my dining 
room table to see if this would help. I will try it with a letter tomorrow to 
see if I can get better results. 

Doug

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-06-28, at 10:59 PM, joseph  wrote:

> hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
> in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
> luck than me.
> 
> regards.
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Re: saytext is available

[clarence griffin]

is it really the finished one? I thought it was due to come out Thursday?

GF


On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I'm not sure it will work on the iphone though yet the iphone 3 anyways.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Hey, the price is right :-) I just got it. Now to try it.
>> --
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>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my 
>>> phone in a few dys.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
>>> 
 hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and put
 in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
 but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
 tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
 demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
 luck than me.
 
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Re: saytext is available

[Larry Wanger]

I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document is 
in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've got a 
very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a terribly long 
time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When I first scanned I 
had poor results but then moved to somewhat better lighting and could read the 
letter in front of me with a fair amount of errors. I'm not after perfection 
though, just after something that can give me enough information to make heads 
or tails out of things. I think that if I'm using it with better lighting it 
will be great.


On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:

> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put
> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
> luck than me.
> 
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Re: Focus blue and pressing delete.

[Justin Thornton]

hi
I am having an issue when I try to pair the focus 40 blue via bluetooth to my 
macbook pro
I get stuck in a password or pin edit box
no matter what pin I use: : 1234: nothing seems to work
everytime I hit the pair/connect button I get thrown back to the same place
can someone please help!!
On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Jesper Holten wrote:

> Hi all.
> When typing away on a focus blue display attached via bluetooth to my Imac, I 
> seem not to find a key keycombination that can delete what I have written. No 
> forward or backward delete. And I cannot figure out how to assign a braille 
> key to that function.
> Any help would b be greatly appreciatedThank you,
> Jesper. 
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RE: Is Saytext available?

[Simon F]

What is 
Say Text"?

 Is that the iPhone version of the knfb reader mobile?

 How much and has anyone actually used it yet?

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lane
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 4:40 a.m.
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Is Saytext available?

Hi, They told me about a week, last thursday.  Its with Apple and awaiting
approval. I can't wait either.  Hopefully only 3 days to go. :)

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> Hi all,
>
> I have seen several posts about scanning with Saytext. Is is out? Thanks
again for all your help. Have a great day.
>
> Allison

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Re: Windows on the mac question

[Christy Schulte]

I've had a similar problem. Even after mapping a key to insert, I find that 
it only works for some things. For example, in system access, I can't get an 
insert-f, which is a major SA command, no matter what I do. Similarly, using 
caps lock as a modifier under fusion doesn't work, though it works in normal 
windows. These issues have kept me from using my mac as my primary machine 
which I really don't like, because I'm hoping to switch over to it 
permanently very soon. I suppose I can use my external keyboard, but I like 
having the track pad there when I'm actually in the mac side of things. Very 
frustrating.


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From: "Jeff Berwick" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question


It all sounds very simple but, I have not managed to get it to work.  I 
tried mapping the caps lock to insert and insert to caps lock.  Neither 
worked.

On 2010-06-28, at 5:49 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

This is very simple. When you run the program, it has a list of keys that 
you've mapped, which will start off empty. You press the add button. A 
screen comes up with a listbox for the source key, and another for the key 
to remap it to. You make your selections and press OK. When you've mapped 
all of the keys that you want, you press the "write to registry" button.


Very simple.


Bryan

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu

Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Windows on the mac question

Hi Brian.

Could you give me instructions off list how to remap keys as you know by 
now I wish to have a jaws cursor.  I am using Fusion but it doesn't matter 
where I put an insert key there is no jaws cursor.  May be you might share 
it I don't know as another user is trying to do the same as me.


Kawal.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:55 -0400, "Bryan Smart"
 wrote:

Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows
insert key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down
right-command with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also
swapped the left-command and left-option keys, so that the Windows and
alt keys are in the normal position. Finally, I altered the
reight-option key to be the Windows context key.

Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp.
It works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it
works absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it
running as a task tray app or anything like that.

Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list.

Bryan

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question

Hi,
I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as
reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier than
changing the keymapping.
Marshall

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Thanks Kevin.

Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's 
boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed 
instructions in case I had to do anything.

On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a 
unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing 
it. Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the 
standard keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, 
this key isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and 
map an existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real 
unix scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it.


In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be 
great.


I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option 
in earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available 
anymore.


Kev
On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi Kev.

Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.

Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him 
how others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need 
a jaws cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around 
this problem, I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor. 
Sharp keys will not help me.


Kawal.
On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an 
issue getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. 
When I try and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the 
caps lock key.


Anyone have any ideas for resolution?

Thanks,
Kev

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RE: Windows on the mac question

[Simon F]

Yes it is, I use a usb windows keyboard on my vm fusion setup and it works
fine,\
 The worse part if any would be that you have to go tel the vm machine to
see the kb, but in most cases I have no problem with it being found
automatically.


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly thurman
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 11:47 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question

Is it possible to use a windows USB or blue tooth  keyboard with Windows 7
in fusion?
On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> This is very simple. When you run the program, it has a list of keys that
you've mapped, which will start off empty. You press the add button. A
screen comes up with a listbox for the source key, and another for the key
to remap it to. You make your selections and press OK. When you've mapped
all of the keys that you want, you press the "write to registry" button.
> 
> Very simple.
> 
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:14 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Windows on the mac question
> 
> Hi Brian.
> 
> Could you give me instructions off list how to remap keys as you know by
now I wish to have a jaws cursor.  I am using Fusion but it doesn't matter
where I put an insert key there is no jaws cursor.  May be you might share
it I don't know as another user is trying to do the same as me.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:55 -0400, "Bryan Smart"
>  wrote:
>> Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows 
>> insert key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down 
>> right-command with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I 
>> also swapped the left-command and left-option keys, so that the 
>> Windows and alt keys are in the normal position. Finally, I altered 
>> the reight-option key to be the Windows context key.
>> 
>> Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. 
>> It works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it 
>> works absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it 
>> running as a task tray app or anything like that.
>> 
>> Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
>> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as 
>> reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier 
>> than changing the keymapping.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Kevin.
>>> 
>>> Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's
boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed instructions
in case I had to do anything.
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a
unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it.
Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard
keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key isn't
available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an existing key to
this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix scripting for 10 years
or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. 
 
 In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be
great. 
 
 I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option
in earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore.
 
 Kev
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hi Kev.
> 
> Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.
> 
> Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him
how others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need a
jaws cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this
problem, I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor.  Sharp keys
will not help me.
> 
> Kawal.
> On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an
issue getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I
try and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock
key. 
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas for resolution?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kev
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Re: How do you cut and paste files, folders adn text on the mac?

[Cody Hurst]

You have to copy and then delete rather than cut, you can't delete for some 
reason it is grayed out
On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Alfredo wrote:

> I am am trying to cut and paste some files and oflders from one
> location to antoher in the finder and do not know how.  I have tried
> the command+x, to cut the file or folder but this does not work, the
> option is dim when I go tot he menu bar.  I know there is a way to cut
> and paste files and folders from one folder to another using the mouse
> but the manual did not explain this correctly and I do not know how to
> do it.  Can someone tell me how:
> 1.  cut and paste a file or folder using the command+X, and the paste
> command.
> 2.  show me how to move a file or folder from one location to another,
> which cuts and paste that file or folder to the new location.
> 2.  Tell me how ot cut and paste text.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated, again I tried the manual but it was
> confusing.
> Alfredo
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Re: saytext is available

[Cody Hurst]

remember lighting isn't much of an issue now that you have the led light in the 
front of the phone  that can be left on
On Jun 28, 2010, at 11:47 PM, Larry Wanger wrote:

> I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document 
> is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've 
> got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a terribly 
> long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When I first 
> scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat better lighting and 
> could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount of errors. I'm not 
> after perfection though, just after something that can give me enough 
> information to make heads or tails out of things. I think that if I'm using 
> it with better lighting it will be great.
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put
>> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs
>> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to
>> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube
>> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better
>> luck than me.
>> 
>> regards.
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RE: saytext is available

[Simon F]

 What is the price on this app?

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of clarence griffin
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 3:21 p.m.
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Subject: Re: saytext is available

is it really the finished one? I thought it was due to come out Thursday?

GF


On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I'm not sure it will work on the iphone though yet the iphone 3 anyways.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> S
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Hey, the price is right :-) I just got it. Now to try it.
>> --
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>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my
phone in a few dys.
>>> 
>>> S
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
>>> 
 hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and 
 put in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with 
 iphone 3gs but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone 
 would not beep to tell me that the document is in focus as 
 explained in the youtube demo.  I hope someone els can try it and 
 perhaps you would have better luck than me.
 
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RE: saytext is available

[Simon F]

 So how are you finding it using the iPhone 4?

 Any trouble with the signal pickup? And how is the usability!?

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
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Subject: Re: saytext is available

I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document
is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've
got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a
terribly long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When
I first scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat better
lighting and could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount of
errors. I'm not after perfection though, just after something that can give
me enough information to make heads or tails out of things. I think that if
I'm using it with better lighting it will be great.


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> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put 
> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs 
> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to 
> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube 
> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better 
> luck than me.
> 
> regards.
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Re: saytext is available

[Cody Hurst]

it is free but when I click the camera button it doesn't seem to beep when 
anything is in focus
On Jun 29, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Simon F wrote:

> What is the price on this app?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 3:21 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: saytext is available
> 
> is it really the finished one? I thought it was due to come out Thursday?
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure it will work on the iphone though yet the iphone 3 anyways.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> S
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey, the price is right :-) I just got it. Now to try it.
>>> --
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>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 I don't have saytext but it will go on my wishlist as I'm exchnging my
> phone in a few dys.
 
 S
 On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
 
> hi listers, finally, saytext is there.  head to the app store and 
> put in the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with 
> iphone 3gs but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone 
> would not beep to tell me that the document is in focus as 
> explained in the youtube demo.  I hope someone els can try it and 
> perhaps you would have better luck than me.
> 
> regards.
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Re: saytext is available

[Cody Hurst]

I dont' really have any good scanning matterial but so far I've scanned a 
crossword puzzle probably not the best and it came out looking like crap it is 
free
On Jun 29, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Simon F wrote:

> So how are you finding it using the iPhone 4?
> 
> Any trouble with the signal pickup? And how is the usability!?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 3:47 p.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: saytext is available
> 
> I just tried it on the new iPhone 4 and it works. It beeps when the document
> is in focus and the camera is steady; best done with two hands unless you've
> got a very steady hand, and it takes the picture. OCR doesn't take a
> terribly long time. The quality of lighting in the room is a big deal. When
> I first scanned I had poor results but then moved to somewhat better
> lighting and could read the letter in front of me with a fair amount of
> errors. I'm not after perfection though, just after something that can give
> me enough information to make heads or tails out of things. I think that if
> I'm using it with better lighting it will be great.
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:29 PM, joseph wrote:
> 
>> hi listers, finally, saytext is their.  head to the app store and put 
>> In the surch box, "saytext doc scanner".  I tested it with iphone 3gs 
>> but found that OCR results are bad.  Also, the phone would not beep to 
>> tell me that the document is in focus as explained in the youtube 
>> demo.  I hope someone els can try it and perhaps you would have better 
>> luck than me.
>> 
>> regards.
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solved: address bar dissapearance

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Bag,

It was just a contextual menu away :)




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Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4

[Earle]

I am using the Skype app on my 3gs, and it's working fine.  I love this app, 
and I can't wait until they update it and 
take advantage of multi-tasking.  I use this app daily, and have experienced 
very few problems with it.

Earle

msn:  peterson...@sympatico.ca

twitter and facebook:  rowdyamerican
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To: 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4


I don't knwo how skype will be onteh new phone. I'm having plenty of issues. 
and I would wait until they update it to 
multy task or what ever it is called.

S
On Jun 27, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

> Guys,
> I'm picking up an iPhone in two weeks or so when they have more in.  Does 
> anyone have a recommendation for the 
> best Skype app in IOS4?  Is it possible to hear a tone when someone is 
> skyping you with this new app?
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Chris Moore]

Ha ha! good man, so getting back on topic and away from my personal life 
(grin), you gonna buy one?
On 28 Jun 2010, at 01:34, Kevin Mattingly wrote:

> Sure Chris, hide behind one of those names that leave you anonymous. Now I 
> know coach, Anthropology and such things are in your vocabulary. 
> 
> Good advice though and coming from someone on the other team, I'll take the 
> wisdom.
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> yes, but sadly as I play for the other team I would probably keep hitting on 
>> he husbands lol 
>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:47, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you considered marriage counciling as a future career?
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 Well all them pairs of shoes and hand bags she bought which were 
 apparently on sale and saved her money were all my idea.  
 
 so get your own back and set up that mac mini on your huge TV in the 
 living room!
 
 Actually I am very jealous as this time last year when I could see I would 
 have killed for a mac with HDMI on i for my living room.  Let's just hope 
 the updated iTV is accessible with some sort of TV content as my cable box 
 is now useless.  I am not sure if Richard Branson's Virgin team will have 
 the foresight to add talking menus or enable the iPhone to control the 
 device via VoiceOver and a wi fi  signal.
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:09, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
 
> Yeah, I'll tell my wife, I bought it because Chris told me it was OK.
> 
> Kev
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Treat yourself :o) 
>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:53, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>> 
>>> Come on Chris, you're gonna make me want to go buy one of the new ones 
>>> now.
>>> 
>>> Kev
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 You can also use an HD TV with the mac mini via HDMI if you have one 
 of them kicking around.
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:35, Chris G wrote:
 
> On the new Mac minis a monitor is required.   In my case the monitor
> isn't even turned on or plugged into AC power, just connected to the
> mini.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:30:37 -0400
> Cody Hurst  wrote:
> 
>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for 
>> the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are 
>> required for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that 
>> it was required but I'm unsure
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all.
>>> I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of 
>>> the
>>> new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. 
>>> Before I
>>> obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be possible 
>>> to use
>>> it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, 
>>> when is the
>>> check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done
>>> periodically throughout the use of the system?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Aman
>>> 
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Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone

[Chris Moore]

You tried in good lighting conditions?  I must admit I find it a bit hit and 
miss so don't think I will use it much.  As for labels I will stick with my 
RNIB Pen Friend Audio Labeller (it was only £50) and never fails.
On 28 Jun 2010, at 02:03, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> I purchased the Digit Eyes app and have not had any success in scanning items 
> so far. I even tried turning the phone on it's side and holding the phone a 
> couple of inches away from the item in question. Still no luck with it. I am 
> going to buy the labels they've recommend on there site to sea if I can get 
> the app to scan the audio labels they are talking about. The company doesn't 
> mention if you need any special software to print these labels. I think I 
> will contact the company tomorrow to find out how to go about printing these. 
> . . 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2010-06-27, at 12:31 PM, Keith Watson  wrote:
> 
>> It's not a laser camera. It's just a laser barcode reader, and in my opinion 
>> they over charge for the thing. I am not going to commit to anything here. 
>> But if I can get ahold of a bluetooth barcode reader, the laser type, I 
>> would like to port an app that I wrote for the Icon/Braille Plus that does 
>> exactly the same thing. The issue is that a BT reader usually runs around 
>> $300 and that price point is still too high in my opinion. I would really 
>> like for the entry point to be in the 100 to 150 dollar range.
>> 
>> I have been wondering why the Digit-Eyes folks haven't considered this 
>> approach. It would not be very difficult to make it a setting to either use 
>> the camera or the scanner to grab the barcode and then query their database. 
>> Hell, I would even contemplate the $30 cost of the software and the $300 
>> cost of a scanner if it had that functionality.
>> 
>> Just my thoughts.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>> But if I can find 
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have managed to scan a few things with sighted assistance. I will do a 
>>> podcast tomorrow on it. I think you have to wait for a minute or two for 
>>> Digit-eyes to come back with a positive ID.  I  didn't know the ID Mate had 
>>> a lazar camera that makes sense why it's so expensive. there is  a trick 
>>> with Digit-Eyes according to my Mom. You have to hold the phone on it's 
>>> side and make sure the screen curtain is turned off. If you hold it a few 
>>> inches away from the item you're trying to scan you will get better results 
>>> that way or so I've found with the few things I tried.
>>> 
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>>> 
 No not really, it is tricky, if you have a enough sight to see where the 
 barcode is then you have a bit more success. It has been hit and miss with 
 me and to be honest by the time I have managed to get it to read a barcode 
 I have placed the item under my iPal Solo to have it read instead.  I I 
 have not used the ID mate in person, but I guess the 3D camera would 
 explain its hight price. 
 
 If you have no vision at all it is very difficult to locate the barcode, 
 so this solution is not ideal, unless there was a ruling to say where 
 barcodes can always be found.  Let's hope the OCR solutions for the iPhone 
 are more successful.  But the barcode reader is not totally useless as I 
 did manage to scan some things.
 On 27 Jun 2010, at 07:16, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
> With Digit-Eyes, how do you find the bar code? When I was involved with 
> the development of an accessible bar code system a few years back, 
> cameras didn't do a good job. For the bar code recognition to work, the 
> camera couldn't face the bar code at an angle, at it had to be 
> right-side-up. Of course, a blind person doesn't necessarily know where 
> on the box, can, or bottle the bar code is to be found, so that creates a 
> challenge. That's partly why the ID Mate is so expensive. They must use a 
> 3D laser scanner, like is used in the check-out line at a grocery store. 
> Those perform an active scan, and can register bar codes at any angle, 
> and even on curved surfaces. You can basically hold up the scanner and 
> turn the container in front of the camera, and it will automatically scan 
> the bar code as soon as it's visible, regardless of the bar code's 
> orientation.
> 
> My thoughts were that the iPhone app would be like trying to read a bar 
> code with a CCD scanner. Yes, it would work but only if you knew where to 
> find the bar code, which way was right-side-up, and only if the bar code 
> was on a flat surface. Is it better than that?
> 
> Bryan 
> 
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Re: How do you activate and deactivate the num lock

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi Esther.

I have thought of a hardware problem, I am not sure, we will try this.

Thank you.

Best regards Annie.

2010/6/27, Esther :
> Hi Annie,
>
> This is beginning to sound as though the input keyboard or some such
> setting was changed.  If the Num lock key is activated, you will not
> be able to type anything under "q w e r t y" and you will only start
> getting numbers under the right hand part of that row of keys "4 5 6
> *".  Macbook models in 2008 and later don't have Num lock keys.  The
> closest thing you can do is to turn on Mouse Keys under the Universal
> Access menu of System Preferences.  Mouse Keys is a keyboard setting
> that lets users with motion disabilities move the position of the
> cursor with the numeric keypad keys, so the "5" key represents the
> current position of the cursor, and if you press the key above it
> ("8") your cursor moves up one screen pixel, while if you press the
> key below it ("2") you move down one screen pixel, and similarly for
> motions to the left ("4"), right ("6"), and diagonally up the left
> ("7") or right ("9") and diagonally down to the left ("1") or right
> ("3").  When they took away the embedded numeric keypad on the Mac
> laptops, they had to leave these functions in for Mouse Keys, so the
> "7 8 9", "u i o", and "j k l" keys on the Macbook keyboard took the
> place of the numbers 1-9 on the numeric keypad for cursor movement.
> Normally, you have to select Mouse Keys from the Universal Access menu
> to turn it on.  There is a check box to allow you to press the option
> key 5 times in succession to turn Mouse Keys on or off.  You hear a
> kind of chittering noise when that happens.
>
> If your friend can type on the left side of the keyboard (or anywhere
> outside of the keys I mentioned) and get characters, even if they are
> strange ones or numbers, then it sounds as though the input keyboard
> has gotten switched in some weird fashion.  I think (I'm not sure)
> that control of the input keyboard is in a preference file called
> com.Apple.HIToolbox.plist in your user Library/Preferences folder.
> That is, if you are in Finder, and go to your Home directory (Command-
> Shift-H), then use Command-Shift-G (for "Go to Folder") and type in:
> "Library/Preferences" (without the quotation marks) and press return,
> you'll be in the Preferences folder where you can find the
> com.Apple.HIToolbox.plist file.  If you move this out of that
> directory, your machine should reset to using the default values.  (I
> know that's a peculiar file name, but I think it stands for "Human
> Interface Toolbox").
>
> The problem is, I don't know how to switch or navigate with the
> keyboard in its current state.  Is it possible to just shut down and
> reboot?  Also, is there another user account that can be used?  I keep
> a test account so that I can check whether odd behavior is due to a
> strange state or setting in my account -- such as corrupted plist
> files -- as opposed to a problem with the Mac as a whole.  Also, I set
> up my Sharing preferences so that I can do a remote login -- even to
> my own account if something is frozen.  Then I can log in and make
> changes through the Terminal.  Those are most of my current thoughts.
> Is it possible that your friend could have turned on mouse keys?  Are
> there other characters that appear when the left side of the keyboard
> is used?  This sounds pretty enigmatic; could it simply be a hardware
> wiring problem with the keyboard?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Jun 27, 2010, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther.
>>
>> I know that my frends macbook is newer, I think it is from 2009. So it
>> does not work with f6 or fn+f6. But I can not find anything about how
>> it can be done on a newer mac.
>>
>> Hope you can help.
>>
>> Best regards Annie.
>>
>> 2010/6/27, Esther :
>>> Hi Annie,
>>>
>>> If your friend's Macbook was made earlier than about November 2007
>>> and
>>> has the Num lock key, then you're correct, you can toggle it off with
>>> either Fn+F6 or F6.  The first combination is more likely for
>>> VoiceOver use.  It depends on your Keyboard setup under System
>>> Preferences -- whether you have the box checked for "Use all F1, F2,
>>> etc. keys as standard function keys" on the first tab of the Keyboard
>>> & Mouse Menu.  But either Fn+F6 or just F6 should switch the Num lock
>>> key off.
>>>
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.

 One of my friends has made a mistake and got activated the num
 lock on
 his mac book. How is it possible to deactivate it again. I thought
 it
 was fn +f6, but I am not sure about that, it does not work on my own
 mac.

 The problem is that the row with the letters q w e r t y u i o shows
 numbers instead of letters.

 Best regards Annie.

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Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.

[Chris Moore]

you could always go into (well I call it practice mode) but its keyboard mode.  
Press control + option + k (and press esc to get back out of it when you are 
ready to do so) now you can hit any key combination and voiceover will tell you 
its function, moreover, you can use the gestures in this mode.  Go on swipe 
away trying all different combinations of fingers and taps , single, double 
etc.  You will learn them quick enough and then press Esc when you are done.
On 28 Jun 2010, at 05:55, Simon F wrote:

> Hi Linda,
>  
> Thanks for sending this out.
>  
> I wondered if it is possible to have this information in a word or text file 
> or even html file that can be downloaded on to a local machine, as I use my 
> mac in a lot of places that I don’t have a connection to the internet. And it 
> would be good to be able to access from anywhere.
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Adams
> Sent: Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:53 a.m.
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
>  
> James,
>  
> Here is the link to the full guide
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/
> and here is the link to the Appendix that has the gesture commands
> http://www.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/_1131.html
>  
> The guide is not all inclusive but it is very helpful.
>  
> Linda
>  
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:18 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Consult the VoiceOVer manual. They're all in there.
>  
> Regards,
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> On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
> 
> The ones I know (I use my iMac more then my macbook) flick left or right to 
> move back and forth.  Two fingers down swipe to read all.
>  
> 3 fingers down swipe up and down to move up and down a page.  2 finger double 
> tap at the bottom of the pad for the dock.  2 finger double tap at the top of 
> the pad for the menu.
>  
> Use 2 fingers and turn for the rota settings.
>  
> 2 finger double tap on the left middle for open applications and 2 finger 
> double tap on the right middle for open windows.
>  
> Sorry to anyone in advance if I have left stuff out and made a mistake, like 
> I say I have not got into gestures much yet.
>  
> Hope this helps though 
>  
> Chris 
> On 23 Jun 2010, at 13:52, James Gallagher wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello to all on the List.
>  
> hope that all are well.
>  
> Yesterday I bought my first MacBook pro 13inch 13inch 2.66GHz (Intel Core 2 
> Duo, 4Gb RAM, 320Gb 
>  
> Been using a Mac for coming up for three Years since Leopard got Braille 
> support built in to it.
>  
> And a very Happy Mac user. with an iMac and three Mac Minis.
>  
> My Question and help I need is can anyone please give me any info about using 
> VoiceOver Gestures on Multi-Touch trackpad.
>  
> I read here that many of you use podt casts to learn from others about this. 
> I am a Deafblind person so these things are no good to me.
>  
> is there a good and helpful text document out there that I can read
> and learn all the thinks I can do with this great little trackpad.
>  
> I would be very grateful for any info or help Please.
>  
> all the very best to you all.
>  
> Yours
> James
>  
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Chris Moore]

Hi Donna,

I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen.  Also 
I have not noticed the volume being softer.  Which voice voiceover language you 
use?  I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like she has a pillow 
over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod not and iPord!

One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone with no 
grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst typing which 
results in blocking the sound.  Is the sound louder on the iPhone 4 anyone? I 
am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my Nokia N96 was nice and 
loud though.

Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems to 
be better on standby than it was before?


On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote:


Chris 
> Lol,
> 
> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made is 
> completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will delete 
> itself.
> 
> hth  
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>> Thanks for the tip.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
>>> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice after 
>>> you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru clock and 
>>> stuff there.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> s
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
 bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
 
 I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
 one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
 and
 2.  How can I delete the folder?
 
 and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
 volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
 personally.
 
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Re: deleting apps on iphone 4?

[Chris Moore]

Double tap but hold on the second tap, you are now in edit icon mode (move by 
default) now double tap the app, this will not open it, it will now delete it, 
once done hit the home button again. 
On 28 Jun 2010, at 04:15, Georges Zaynoun wrote:

> But double tapping is to open not to delete as far as I understand, I want to 
> delete iCal since I don't have an account, I am in Sweden how can I create an 
> account for iCal? It is complaining that I don't have a microphone although I 
> connect the headset that came with the iPOD so how to either remove this app 
> or get it to work?
> Original message:
>> thanks!
>> Donna
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:
> 
>>> to delete an app, double tap it but do not hold
> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
 this gesture appears to have changed.  Tapping and holding now seems to 
 allow you to move an app, but not to delete it.  I've checked the links to 
 the manual that Esther posted, but haven't found anything on removing an 
 app.  Anyone figured out how to do this?
 TIA,
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Cody, got it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Cody Hurst wrote:

> Hi, I don't see a difference in the volume.
> 
> Do remove icons from folders, drag the appropriate icon to the edge of the 
> screen and the home screen will appear, if there are 2 icons left and you 
> drag one out, the other one will automatically come out and the folder will 
> disappear
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a bit, 
>> and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
>> 
>> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
>> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
>> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
>> and
>> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
>> 
>> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
>> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, personally.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Donna
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Chris,

Yep, I had to figure the folder thing out the hard way.  Ah well, the joys of a 
new OS. :)  At least now I know how folders work.

Interesting re the volume.  For me, there's a noticeable difference.  Are you 
on an iphone 4 or a 3gs?  I'm on the latter, don't know if that is the 
difference.
Best,
Donna
On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen.  
> Also I have not noticed the volume being softer.  Which voice voiceover 
> language you use?  I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like 
> she has a pillow over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod 
> not and iPord!
> 
> One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone with 
> no grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst typing 
> which results in blocking the sound.  Is the sound louder on the iPhone 4 
> anyone? I am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my Nokia N96 
> was nice and loud though.
> 
> Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems to 
> be better on standby than it was before?
> 
> 
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
> 
> Chris 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>> delete itself.
>> 
>> hth  
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
 settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
 after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
 clock and stuff there.
 
 Good luck.
 
 s
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
> 
> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
> and
> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
> 
> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
> personally.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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Re: Windows on the mac question

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I too have reassigned the grav key for an insert using Sharp keys but
the jaws cursor does not work!  I've also assigned the right key next to
the left arrow as an application key and that's OK.  I'm just having
problems with getting a jaws cursor!

Kawal.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:57 -0600, "Marshall Scott" 
wrote:
> Hi,
> I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as
> reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier than
> changing the keymapping.
> Marshall
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Kevin.
> > 
> > Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's 
> > boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed instructions 
> > in case I had to do anything.
> > On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> > 
> >> I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a 
> >> unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. 
> >> Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard 
> >> keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key 
> >> isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an 
> >> existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix 
> >> scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. 
> >> 
> >> In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. 
> >> 
> >> I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in 
> >> earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore.
> >> 
> >> Kev
> >> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi Kev.
> >>> 
> >>> Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.
> >>> 
> >>> Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how 
> >>> others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws 
> >>> cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this 
> >>> problem, I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor.  Sharp 
> >>> keys will not help me.
> >>> 
> >>> Kawal.
> >>> On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> >>> 
>  I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue 
>  getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try 
>  and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock 
>  key. 
>  
>  Anyone have any ideas for resolution?
>  
>  Thanks,
>  Kev
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Re: Safari Reader Doesn't Seem to Get Along Wih Braille Displays?

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi.

I do not understand that. There is some problems with safari and
braille at the moment, but I can normally read in HTML areas. Does
your display not show anything at all, sometimes it helps me to
interact with the text.



I have problems when I write in a form field, if it is a mail on gmail
or another long text, I can not see that on my display, only some of
it.

Best regards Annie.

2010/6/28, Teresa Cochran :
> Hi, All,
>
> I have cursor tracking on, and when trying to use my Focus 40 Blue display
> with the Safari 5 reader, I can't get it to display 'any of the text, even
> when I interact with HTML content. Is there any way to resolve this?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Chris Moore]

I am on a iPhone EGS, stupid question but you have tried turning the phone up 
right? Sorry 
On 28 Jun 2010, at 09:31, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Yep, I had to figure the folder thing out the hard way.  Ah well, the joys of 
> a new OS. :)  At least now I know how folders work.
> 
> Interesting re the volume.  For me, there's a noticeable difference.  Are you 
> on an iphone 4 or a 3gs?  I'm on the latter, don't know if that is the 
> difference.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen.  
>> Also I have not noticed the volume being softer.  Which voice voiceover 
>> language you use?  I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like 
>> she has a pillow over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod 
>> not and iPord!
>> 
>> One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone with 
>> no grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst typing 
>> which results in blocking the sound.  Is the sound louder on the iPhone 4 
>> anyone? I am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my Nokia N96 
>> was nice and loud though.
>> 
>> Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems 
>> to be better on standby than it was before?
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Chris 
>>> Lol,
>>> 
>>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>>> delete itself.
>>> 
>>> hth  
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
 though, I wonder why it does that.
 Thanks for the tip.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
> after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
> clock and stuff there.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> s
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
>> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
>> 
>> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
>> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
>> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
>> and
>> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
>> 
>> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
>> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
>> personally.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Donna
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RE: Running Windows

[Bryan Smart]

Well, if you want to look at it that way, Parallels must work, too. I mean, 
once your VM is running a screen reader, then the virtual machine will work for 
you. However, if you can't operate the virtual machine software to adjust 
preferences, attach/detach devices from the virtual machine, manage virtual 
machines, etc, then that is pretty inaccessible.

Glad that you can accomplish what you need with Virtual Box, but wouldn't want 
to imply that a blind user will be able to be independently successful with it.

Bryan

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Running Windows

Bryan,

 That's not quite true,

 I use virtual box and I am totally blind.

 I get assistance when  configuring  the vm's  but apart from that it's very 
usable.



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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Running Windows

Yep. VMWare Fusion is the only virtual machine software that works.
Parallels and Virtual Box aren't accessible at all. Fusion costs about $80, 
unless they're running one of their frequent specials.

Bryan 

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Subject: Re: Running Windows

from what I have heard and read, fusion is much more friendly.

hth
Cody
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> I recently bought parallels desktop 5 with the view to run a demo 
> version
of JAWS.  I already have Windows XP installed via BootCamp.
> 
> Anyway I got parallels up and running 9with sighted assistance).  I am
finding it is not very VoiceOver friendly.  Even the preferences window can't 
even be used with VoiceOver (well you can select tabs)  I noticed there were 
tabs for speech and iPhone, not sure what they do though.
> 
> My question is this, have I bought the wrong product? Should I have 
> bought
Fusion?  Is Fusion more VoiceOver friendly?
> 
> cHRIS
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RE: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone

[Bryan Smart]

The bar code laser scanners are a huge market. Practically any high volume 
inventory management system, from super markets to package shipping companies 
use them. Economy of scale has made them about as cheap as they're going to be 
for quite some time. If we weren't blind, then a CCD-based scanner could do the 
job at practically no cost (less than $20). Of course, the built-in iPhone 
camera could do just as well. The laser-based scanners are the only ones that 
can recognize the labels in the way that we need.

One other point about the ID Mate. And, by the way, I'm not involved with that 
company, and don't own one, so have no personal reason to defend it. Besides 
the cost of the laser scanner, another large portion of the cost involves the 
licensing fee that they must pay to the manufacturer of the bar code database 
in order to legally distribute it with the ID Mate. I know that there are some 
free bar code databases online, and some sites that search those databases, but 
those barely contain anything other than the product name. The commercial 
databases also include everything from ingredients to cooking directions. Even 
a basic reader would be welcome, but, in order to have something nice, you'd 
also be required to license a bar code database, and that would jack up the 
price of your app. Because of the database size, you might not be able to 
bundle it with the app itself, due to App Store size restrictions. So, you'd 
have to keep the database online, which means a user's one-time purchase of 
your app would need to cover your web hosting costs in perpetuity. That isn't 
possible. So, your app would need to be a subscription-based service. I don't 
know how willing people would be to pay a monthly fee to read bar codes. I 
would, but lots of people are too cheap to support tools like that.

Bryan

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It's not a laser camera. It's just a laser barcode reader, and in my opinion 
they over charge for the thing. I am not going to commit to anything here. But 
if I can get ahold of a bluetooth barcode reader, the laser type, I would like 
to port an app that I wrote for the Icon/Braille Plus that does exactly the 
same thing. The issue is that a BT reader usually runs around $300 and that 
price point is still too high in my opinion. I would really like for the entry 
point to be in the 100 to 150 dollar range.

I have been wondering why the Digit-Eyes folks haven't considered this 
approach. It would not be very difficult to make it a setting to either use the 
camera or the scanner to grab the barcode and then query their database. Hell, 
I would even contemplate the $30 cost of the software and the $300 cost of a 
scanner if it had that functionality.

Just my thoughts.

Keith

But if I can find
On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have managed to scan a few things with sighted assistance. I will do a 
> podcast tomorrow on it. I think you have to wait for a minute or two for 
> Digit-eyes to come back with a positive ID.  I  didn't know the ID Mate had a 
> lazar camera that makes sense why it's so expensive. there is  a trick with 
> Digit-Eyes according to my Mom. You have to hold the phone on it's side and 
> make sure the screen curtain is turned off. If you hold it a few inches away 
> from the item you're trying to scan you will get better results that way or 
> so I've found with the few things I tried.
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
> 
>> No not really, it is tricky, if you have a enough sight to see where the 
>> barcode is then you have a bit more success. It has been hit and miss with 
>> me and to be honest by the time I have managed to get it to read a barcode I 
>> have placed the item under my iPal Solo to have it read instead.  I I have 
>> not used the ID mate in person, but I guess the 3D camera would explain its 
>> hight price. 
>> 
>> If you have no vision at all it is very difficult to locate the barcode, so 
>> this solution is not ideal, unless there was a ruling to say where barcodes 
>> can always be found.  Let's hope the OCR solutions for the iPhone are more 
>> successful.  But the barcode reader is not totally useless as I did manage 
>> to scan some things.
>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 07:16, Bryan Smart wrote:
>> 
>>> With Digit-Eyes, how do you find the bar code? When I was involved with the 
>>> development of an accessible bar code system a few years back, cameras 
>>> didn't do a good job. For the bar code recognition to work, the camera 
>>> couldn't face the bar code at an angle, at it had to be right-side-up. Of 
>>> course, a blind person doesn't necessarily know where on the box, can, or 
>>> bottle the bar code is to be found, so that creates

RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Bryan Smart]

Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at once 
based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the available 
screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is connected. When 
no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and so any program 
that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks you have a screen 
with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen with size 0. Most 
programmers never test for that situation, because they can't test without some 
sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, but that's just one program 
among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 screen.

On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible for 
the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac doesn't have 
any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least as far as I've 
been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in from the terminal. 
I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my Mac Pro, so i'm 
personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could poke around and see 
if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to use a specific screen 
resolution.

Bryan 

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Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

Why is it sluggish without a monitor?  That does not make sense.  Why should 
someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running up 
extra electricity costs.

Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies!

I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one.
On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't use a 
> mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really know 
> much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine without the 
> monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though.
> Hth,
> Courtney
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:
> 
>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for 
>> the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are required for 
>> the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required but 
>> I'm unsure On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all.
>>> I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the 
>>> new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before 
>>> I obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be 
>>> possible to use it without a monitor. If so, are any settings 
>>> required? If not, when is the check for the monitor done? Is it just 
>>> at boot up, or is it done periodically throughout the use of the system?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Aman
>>> 
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blue tooth question on the mac

[joseph]

hi, i'm new to this list and my first question is:  i paired my nokia
n6210  navigator with my imac using blue tooth  but when i go to
system preffrences on the imac  to check blue tooth, i can see the
nokia  n6210 navigator in the list but it says not connected,  can
anyone help solve this problem?  thank you in advance.

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RE: Windows on the mac question

[Bryan Smart]

Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows insert key 
to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down right-command with my 
thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also swapped the left-command and 
left-option keys, so that the Windows and alt keys are in the normal position. 
Finally, I altered the reight-option key to be the Windows context key.

Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. It works 
by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it works absolutely 
everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it running as a task tray app or 
anything like that.

Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list.

Bryan

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question

Hi,
I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as 
reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier than changing 
the keymapping.
Marshall

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Thanks Kevin.
> 
> Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's 
> boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed instructions 
> in case I had to do anything.
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a unix 
>> challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. Based 
>> on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard keyboard. 
>> For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key isn't available. 
>> I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an existing key to this key 
>> and script it. I haven't done any real unix scripting for 10 years or so and 
>> therefore, I'm real rusty at it. 
>> 
>> In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. 
>> 
>> I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in 
>> earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore.
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Kev.
>>> 
>>> Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.
>>> 
>>> Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how 
>>> others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws 
>>> cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this problem, 
>>> I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor.  Sharp keys will not 
>>> help me.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue 
 getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try 
 and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock key. 
 
 Anyone have any ideas for resolution?
 
 Thanks,
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RE: Windows on the mac question

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Brian.

Could you give me instructions off list how to remap keys as you know by
now I wish to have a jaws cursor.  I am using Fusion but it doesn't
matter where I put an insert key there is no jaws cursor.  May be you
might share it I don't know as another user is trying to do the same as
me.

Kawal.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:55 -0400, "Bryan Smart"
 wrote:
> Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows insert
> key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down right-command
> with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also swapped the
> left-command and left-option keys, so that the Windows and alt keys are
> in the normal position. Finally, I altered the reight-option key to be
> the Windows context key.
> 
> Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. It
> works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it works
> absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it running as a
> task tray app or anything like that.
> 
> Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question
> 
> Hi,
> I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as
> reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier than
> changing the keymapping.
> Marshall
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Kevin.
> > 
> > Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's 
> > boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed instructions 
> > in case I had to do anything.
> > On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> > 
> >> I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a 
> >> unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. 
> >> Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard 
> >> keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key 
> >> isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an 
> >> existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix 
> >> scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. 
> >> 
> >> In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. 
> >> 
> >> I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in 
> >> earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore.
> >> 
> >> Kev
> >> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi Kev.
> >>> 
> >>> Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.
> >>> 
> >>> Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how 
> >>> others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws 
> >>> cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this 
> >>> problem, I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor.  Sharp 
> >>> keys will not help me.
> >>> 
> >>> Kawal.
> >>> On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> >>> 
>  I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue 
>  getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try 
>  and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock 
>  key. 
>  
>  Anyone have any ideas for resolution?
>  
>  Thanks,
>  Kev
>  
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> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Kawal Gucukoglu
> >>> 
> >>> (E-mail/MSN):
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> >>> kawal_gucuko...@sent.com
> >>> 
> >>> (Skype ID):
> >>> 
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> >>> 
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Re: Pages09

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Paul,

On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Paul wrote:
>  I like to create agendas for meetings. In addition, I like
> to write legal documents with outlined numbering like 1. 1.1 1.1.1 2.0
> 2.1 2.2. etc.
Pages will take care of paragraph numbering of that kind.

> I also like to use tables in my documents and to write
> letters and memos.
Tables are tricky. You have to use Numbers to create them if you can't see and 
have to use VoiceOver. VoiceOver can't see tables in Pages documents. However, 
if there's an existing table in a Pages document, you can copy it into a 
Numbers document and read it, modify it, etc there, then copy it back again. 
Messy, but doable.

> Finally, I like to create address lists that I can
> translate into
> Braille. In these situations I would like to use mail merge
> facilities.
Sorry. I haven't done this myself but it should be possible. I have to spend 
time this summer on creating a user guide for VO users of iWork09.

> Finally, are their more templates available for pages09
> that are not in the template chooser?
I don't think so, but you can create your own.

> Do you also use numbers?
Yes, but I haven't done anything complex with it.

I've also used Keynote when translating PowerPoint documents.

I would say that iWork09 is 95% accessible with VoiceOver.

Cheers,

Anne

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RE: Pages09

[RATTRAY J.]

Hi,

Are you planning a user guide for iworks? If so will it be commerically
available? I would love such a guide as would like to use pages etc more

Julie
 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages09

Hello Paul,

On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Paul wrote:
>  I like to create agendas for meetings. In addition, I like to write 
> legal documents with outlined numbering like 1. 1.1 1.1.1 2.0
> 2.1 2.2. etc.
Pages will take care of paragraph numbering of that kind.

> I also like to use tables in my documents and to write letters and 
> memos.
Tables are tricky. You have to use Numbers to create them if you can't
see and have to use VoiceOver. VoiceOver can't see tables in Pages
documents. However, if there's an existing table in a Pages document,
you can copy it into a Numbers document and read it, modify it, etc
there, then copy it back again. Messy, but doable.

> Finally, I like to create address lists that I can translate into 
> Braille. In these situations I would like to use mail merge 
> facilities.
Sorry. I haven't done this myself but it should be possible. I have to
spend time this summer on creating a user guide for VO users of iWork09.

> Finally, are their more templates available for pages09 that are not 
> in the template chooser?
I don't think so, but you can create your own.

> Do you also use numbers?
Yes, but I haven't done anything complex with it.

I've also used Keynote when translating PowerPoint documents.

I would say that iWork09 is 95% accessible with VoiceOver.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: VO bug in contacts in ios 4

[Daniel Rowe]

Thanks for figuring this out Ricardo.
I'll contact Apple later.

Dannie

On 28 Jun 2010, at 07:11, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> You might not have noticed yet but in the contacts in ios 4 you can't change 
> the label for phone numbers.  It's just stuck on mobile.  Here is an 
> explanation I worked out and the work around to the bug.  Please contact 
> apple to report this.
> ***
> 
> I have confirmed this is a VO problem.  I have found a work around though.  
> It's not perfect so I urge you all to contact apple and inform them about the 
> problem I'm about to describe.  The contacts now has a drop down list to 
> choose the type of number label you want to use.  You can't activate this 
> list with voiceover on though.  That's the problem we've been running in to. 
> It is on the extreme left of the screen towards the middle.  You will here it 
> say mobile which is the default option in the list.  It is directly to the 
> left of the edit field for phone numbers.  If you just slide your finger down 
> till you hear mobile edit and slide your finger to the left until your almost 
> to the edge of the screen you will find it.  To activate this drop down list 
> you need to turn Voiceover off with a triple home press then tap that portion 
> of the screen that I just described.  Turn VO back on and you will find a 
> list showing Home, work, main and the other phone number labels.  Just double 
> tap on the one you want.
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Re: Best Skype app for iPhone with IOS4

[Cody Hurst]

Skype works fine for me and I'm using the new phone with skype 2.0
On Jun 28, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't knwo how skype will be onteh new phone. I'm having plenty of issues. 
> and I would wait until they update it to multy task or what ever it is called.
> 
> S
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> Guys,
>>I'm picking up an iPhone in two weeks or so when they have more in.  Does 
>> anyone have a recommendation for the best Skype app in IOS4?  Is it possible 
>> to hear a tone when someone is skyping you with this new app?
>> Thanks,
>> Kevin
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Cody Hurst]

I would say the sound may not be louder but as I said in the podcast it's 
crisper and the phone sounds like the lock unlock and mail are the volume that 
they should be
On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen.  
> Also I have not noticed the volume being softer.  Which voice voiceover 
> language you use?  I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like 
> she has a pillow over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod 
> not and iPord!
> 
> One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone with 
> no grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst typing 
> which results in blocking the sound.  Is the sound louder on the iPhone 4 
> anyone? I am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my Nokia N96 
> was nice and loud though.
> 
> Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems to 
> be better on standby than it was before?
> 
> 
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
> 
> Chris 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>> delete itself.
>> 
>> hth  
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
 settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
 after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
 clock and stuff there.
 
 Good luck.
 
 s
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
> 
> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
> and
> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
> 
> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
> personally.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Aman Singer]

Thank you, Brian, this is sensible and I appreciate it. If I may ask, do you
know if the checks are made at launch and then not made again, or are they
made periodically? Secondly, we have heard that even an unplugged monitor
will do. Is this so with the newer machines, since I assume there needs to
be a response to the resolution check? That is, does one need a monitor with
power, or can one simply not power it on?
Finally, do you know of a dongle that would allow a cheap VGA monitor to be
hooked up or, alternatively, an adapter that would simply respond properly
to the checks you mention are going on? 
Thanks.
Aman

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at
once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the
available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is
connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined,
and so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it
thinks you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a
screen with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because
they can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix
Safari, but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a
size 0 screen.

On Windows, there is a way to tell it to ignore what it thinks is possible
for the monitor, and to just use a specific screen resolution. The Mac
doesn't have any way to bypass its sanity checking in that regard, at least
as far as I've been able to discover. Maybe there is some way to hack it in
from the terminal. I have a built-in screen on my MBP, and a monitor for my
Mac Pro, so i'm personally satisfied. Maybe someone that's motivated could
poke around and see if they can find a hack to manually force the mac to use
a specific screen resolution.

Bryan 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:30 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

Why is it sluggish without a monitor?  That does not make sense.  Why should
someone blind be forced into paying for a monitor they can't see and running
up extra electricity costs.

Tell apple they need to think more about their green policies!

I would love to know what accessibility at apple think of that one.
On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Courtney Curran wrote:

> Hi,
> I've never used a monitor with my Mack mini. Even with setup, I didn't use
a mouse, but it was kind of tough, without the mouse plus, I didn't really
know much about the Mack. But other than that, my Mack Mini works fine
without the monitor, kind of sluggish with Safari though.
> Hth,
> Courtney
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:
> 
>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be for 
>> the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are required
for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that it was required
but I'm unsure On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, all.
>>> I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of the 
>>> new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. Before 
>>> I obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be 
>>> possible to use it without a monitor. If so, are any settings 
>>> required? If not, when is the check for the monitor done? Is it just 
>>> at boot up, or is it done periodically throughout the use of the system?
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Aman
>>> 
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Re: Pages09

[Paul]

Hello Anne. Thanks for your response. I'll play with Pages and numbers
a little more. I also am a one to one member and can get help at my
local Apple store. My goal is to learn from the trainers while
sensitizing them to Voice Over and accessibility in general. If we can
share tips and tricks as we go along, then we9'll all learn to use
these applications.

A user guide would be very helpful and I appreciate the time it takes
to write one.  Thanks so much.
On Jun 28, 5:37 am, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello Paul,
>
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Paul wrote:>  I like to create agendas for 
> meetings. In addition, I like
> > to write legal documents with outlined numbering like 1. 1.1 1.1.1 2.0
> > 2.1 2.2. etc.
>
> Pages will take care of paragraph numbering of that kind.
>
> > I also like to use tables in my documents and to write
> > letters and memos.
>
> Tables are tricky. You have to use Numbers to create them if you can't see 
> and have to use VoiceOver. VoiceOver can't see tables in Pages documents. 
> However, if there's an existing table in a Pages document, you can copy it 
> into a Numbers document and read it, modify it, etc there, then copy it back 
> again. Messy, but doable.
>
> > Finally, I like to create address lists that I can
> > translate into
> > Braille. In these situations I would like to use mail merge
> > facilities.
>
> Sorry. I haven't done this myself but it should be possible. I have to spend 
> time this summer on creating a user guide for VO users of iWork09.
>
> > Finally, are their more templates available for pages09
> > that are not in the template chooser?
>
> I don't think so, but you can create your own.
>
> > Do you also use numbers?
>
> Yes, but I haven't done anything complex with it.
>
> I've also used Keynote when translating PowerPoint documents.
>
> I would say that iWork09 is 95% accessible with VoiceOver.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne

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Re: Windows on the mac question

[Kevin Mattingly]

I'd take the instructions, if you can write them up.

Kev
On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Hi Brian.
> 
> Could you give me instructions off list how to remap keys as you know by
> now I wish to have a jaws cursor.  I am using Fusion but it doesn't
> matter where I put an insert key there is no jaws cursor.  May be you
> might share it I don't know as another user is trying to do the same as
> me.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:55 -0400, "Bryan Smart"
>  wrote:
>> Yep. I use this, too. In Windows under VMWare, I remap the Windows insert
>> key to be my right command key. That way, I can hold down right-command
>> with my thumb to trigger Jaws keyboard shortcuts. I also swapped the
>> left-command and left-option keys, so that the Windows and alt keys are
>> in the normal position. Finally, I altered the reight-option key to be
>> the Windows context key.
>> 
>> Sharp Keys is just as useful to reorganize your keyboard in BootCamp. It
>> works by editing the Windows keybaord map in the registry, so it works
>> absolutely everywhere in Windows. You don't need to leave it running as a
>> task tray app or anything like that.
>> 
>> Just Google for it. It's popular, and is near the top of the list.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marshall Scott
>> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:57 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Windows on the mac question
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I' used SharpKeys to remap the tilde key to the Insert key as well as
>> reassigning a few other keys.  This works fine and is much easier than
>> changing the keymapping.
>> Marshall
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Kevin.
>>> 
>>> Keep me posted and may be write off list so as not to clutter everyone's 
>>> boxes as others may be not interested.  I'd need some detailed instructions 
>>> in case I had to do anything.
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 I found some data on remapping keys on the mac keyboard. Its a bit of a 
 unix challenge and I am still working through the challenges of doing it. 
 Based on my research. the Mac help key is the insert key on the standard 
 keyboard. For macbooks and the keyboards minus a number pad, this key 
 isn't available. I can't make any promises but I'll try and map an 
 existing key to this key and script it. I haven't done any real unix 
 scripting for 10 years or so and therefore, I'm real rusty at it. 
 
 In the meantime, if someone comes up with something else, that'd be great. 
 
 I remember the classic laptop keyboard configurations being an option in 
 earlier versions of jaws but that doesn't seem to be available anymore.
 
 Kev
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
> Hi Kev.
> 
> Glad you have bought this subject up.  I'm having the same problem.
> 
> Some time ago, Mark Taylor wrote a message asking people to tell him how 
> others got a jaws cursor.  I'm having the same difficulty and need a jaws 
> cursor.  So if anyone can kindly tell us how they get around this 
> problem, I'd be so grateful.  I desperately need a jaws cursor.  Sharp 
> keys will not help me.
> 
> Kawal.
> On Jun 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> I'm running vmware fusion on my mac with windows 7. I'm having an issue 
>> getting jaws to recognize the caps lock key as the jaws key. When I try 
>> and use it in windows, it continues to recognize it as the caps lock 
>> key. 
>> 
>> Anyone have any ideas for resolution?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Kev
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Donna Goodin]

Never hurts to ask.  Yes, I did.
Donna
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> I am on a iPhone EGS, stupid question but you have tried turning the phone up 
> right? Sorry 
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 09:31, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Yep, I had to figure the folder thing out the hard way.  Ah well, the joys 
>> of a new OS. :)  At least now I know how folders work.
>> 
>> Interesting re the volume.  For me, there's a noticeable difference.  Are 
>> you on an iphone 4 or a 3gs?  I'm on the latter, don't know if that is the 
>> difference.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I can verify the advice given below, you do not need to reset the screen.  
>>> Also I have not noticed the volume being softer.  Which voice voiceover 
>>> language you use?  I use the Australian one as the British one sounds like 
>>> she has a pillow over her face and a plum in her mouth, I mean its an iPod 
>>> not and iPord!
>>> 
>>> One thing I do hate about the speaker being on the bottom of the iphone 
>>> with no grill is that it is so easy to cover it up with your hand whilst 
>>> typing which results in blocking the sound.  Is the sound louder on the 
>>> iPhone 4 anyone? I am a deep sleeper so the iPhone 3GS does not wake me, my 
>>> Nokia N96 was nice and loud though.
>>> 
>>> Not sure if this is just me, but has anyone noticed that the battery seems 
>>> to be better on standby than it was before?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2010, at 03:21, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris 
 Lol,
 
 No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
 is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
 created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
 folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then 
 while your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the 
 cursor in an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the 
 folder will delete itself.
 
 hth  
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
> though, I wonder why it does that.
> Thanks for the tip.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
>> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
>> after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
>> clock and stuff there.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> s
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
>>> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
>>> 
>>> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I 
>>> made one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
>>> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
>>> and
>>> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
>>> 
>>> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that 
>>> the volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
>>> personally.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Donna
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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Kevin Mattingly]

To be honest, I want a macbook first. I just got this mini last month and felt 
guilty for it then. I think having another Mac mini for use with the television 
would be a great idea though. I have a friend who uses his own computers as a 
direct TV receiver and the mini might be an option for that as well. Eventually 
you could save the cost of the mini doing this.

Kev
On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

> Ha ha! good man, so getting back on topic and away from my personal life 
> (grin), you gonna buy one?
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 01:34, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> Sure Chris, hide behind one of those names that leave you anonymous. Now I 
>> know coach, Anthropology and such things are in your vocabulary. 
>> 
>> Good advice though and coming from someone on the other team, I'll take the 
>> wisdom.
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> yes, but sadly as I play for the other team I would probably keep hitting 
>>> on he husbands lol 
>>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:47, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 Have you considered marriage counciling as a future career?
 
 Kev
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
> Well all them pairs of shoes and hand bags she bought which were 
> apparently on sale and saved her money were all my idea.  
> 
> so get your own back and set up that mac mini on your huge TV in the 
> living room!
> 
> Actually I am very jealous as this time last year when I could see I 
> would have killed for a mac with HDMI on i for my living room.  Let's 
> just hope the updated iTV is accessible with some sort of TV content as 
> my cable box is now useless.  I am not sure if Richard Branson's Virgin 
> team will have the foresight to add talking menus or enable the iPhone to 
> control the device via VoiceOver and a wi fi  signal.
> On 27 Jun 2010, at 22:09, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, I'll tell my wife, I bought it because Chris told me it was OK.
>> 
>> Kev
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> Treat yourself :o) 
>>> On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:53, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
>>> 
 Come on Chris, you're gonna make me want to go buy one of the new ones 
 now.
 
 Kev
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
> You can also use an HD TV with the mac mini via HDMI if you have one 
> of them kicking around.
> On 27 Jun 2010, at 21:35, Chris G wrote:
> 
>> On the new Mac minis a monitor is required.   In my case the monitor
>> isn't even turned on or plugged into AC power, just connected to the
>> mini.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:30:37 -0400
>> Cody Hurst  wrote:
>> 
>>> I"m not so sure that a monitor is required, although it might be 
>>> for the initial setup. I can say for sure a keyboard and mouse are 
>>> required for the setup. I think when I had my mini back in 08 that 
>>> it was required but I'm unsure
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, all.
I find myself in some difficulty. I have available to me one of 
 the
 new Mac Minis. However, I do not have a monitor at all times. 
 Before I
 obtain the unit, I should like to know whether it would be 
 possible to use
 it without a monitor. If so, are any settings required? If not, 
 when is the
 check for the monitor done? Is it just at boot up, or is it done
 periodically throughout the use of the system?
 Thanks in advance.
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Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi guys,

So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.

Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also seems 
to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it happens in 
whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It mostly seems to 
be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off speech by moving 
around such as a long string of text.

I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in particular. 
This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx and suddenly, 
VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox pronunciation 
editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the item in the 
finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", then "Infovox iVox 
Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to cut off the speech 
concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.

I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't figure 
it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites and even 
that was unusual.

Regards,
Nic
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RE: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Dave Taylor]

Hi
 
Do bear in mind that it can be the speech synth dying. Try another speech
synth and see if you still have the same problems.
 
Cheers
Dave
 
 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4
 
Hi guys,
 
So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
 
Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with
VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also
seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it
happens in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It
mostly seems to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off
speech by moving around such as a long string of text.
 
I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in
particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx
and suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox
pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the
item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy",
then "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to
cut off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
 
I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing
this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't
figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites
and even that was unusual.
 
Regards,
Nic
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I already have. I switched between Alex and the Infovox iVox voices to test 
that theory. Besides, that would also be something introduced in the update as 
that problem was not there before regardless of the synthesizer. I went ahead 
and tried it anyway, though.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Dave Taylor wrote:

> Hi
>  
> Do bear in mind that it can be the speech synth dying. Try another speech 
> synth and see if you still have the same problems.
>  
> Cheers
> Dave
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4
>  
> Hi guys,
>  
> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
>  
> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it happens 
> in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It mostly seems 
> to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off speech by moving 
> around such as a long string of text.
>  
> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx and 
> suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", then 
> "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to cut 
> off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
>  
> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
> and even that was unusual.
>  
> Regards,
> Nic
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Re: saytext: new OCR app for IPhone

[Doug Lawlor]

I Never payed attention to the lighting conditions. I will make sure some 
lights are turned on and sea what happens. 

Doug



Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-06-28, at 5:06 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> You tried in good lighting conditions?  I must admit I find it a bit hit and 
> miss so don't think I will use it much.  As for labels I will stick with my 
> RNIB Pen Friend Audio Labeller (it was only £50) and never fails.
> On 28 Jun 2010, at 02:03, Doug Lawlor wrote:
> 
>> I purchased the Digit Eyes app and have not had any success in scanning 
>> items so far. I even tried turning the phone on it's side and holding the 
>> phone a couple of inches away from the item in question. Still no luck with 
>> it. I am going to buy the labels they've recommend on there site to sea if I 
>> can get the app to scan the audio labels they are talking about. The company 
>> doesn't mention if you need any special software to print these labels. I 
>> think I will contact the company tomorrow to find out how to go about 
>> printing these. . . 
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2010-06-27, at 12:31 PM, Keith Watson  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not a laser camera. It's just a laser barcode reader, and in my 
>>> opinion they over charge for the thing. I am not going to commit to 
>>> anything here. But if I can get ahold of a bluetooth barcode reader, the 
>>> laser type, I would like to port an app that I wrote for the Icon/Braille 
>>> Plus that does exactly the same thing. The issue is that a BT reader 
>>> usually runs around $300 and that price point is still too high in my 
>>> opinion. I would really like for the entry point to be in the 100 to 150 
>>> dollar range.
>>> 
>>> I have been wondering why the Digit-Eyes folks haven't considered this 
>>> approach. It would not be very difficult to make it a setting to either use 
>>> the camera or the scanner to grab the barcode and then query their 
>>> database. Hell, I would even contemplate the $30 cost of the software and 
>>> the $300 cost of a scanner if it had that functionality.
>>> 
>>> Just my thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> But if I can find 
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:42 AM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I have managed to scan a few things with sighted assistance. I will do a 
 podcast tomorrow on it. I think you have to wait for a minute or two for 
 Digit-eyes to come back with a positive ID.  I  didn't know the ID Mate 
 had a lazar camera that makes sense why it's so expensive. there is  a 
 trick with Digit-Eyes according to my Mom. You have to hold the phone on 
 it's side and make sure the screen curtain is turned off. If you hold it a 
 few inches away from the item you're trying to scan you will get better 
 results that way or so I've found with the few things I tried.
 
 Allison
 
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:29 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
> No not really, it is tricky, if you have a enough sight to see where the 
> barcode is then you have a bit more success. It has been hit and miss 
> with me and to be honest by the time I have managed to get it to read a 
> barcode I have placed the item under my iPal Solo to have it read 
> instead.  I I have not used the ID mate in person, but I guess the 3D 
> camera would explain its hight price. 
> 
> If you have no vision at all it is very difficult to locate the barcode, 
> so this solution is not ideal, unless there was a ruling to say where 
> barcodes can always be found.  Let's hope the OCR solutions for the 
> iPhone are more successful.  But the barcode reader is not totally 
> useless as I did manage to scan some things.
> On 27 Jun 2010, at 07:16, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> With Digit-Eyes, how do you find the bar code? When I was involved with 
>> the development of an accessible bar code system a few years back, 
>> cameras didn't do a good job. For the bar code recognition to work, the 
>> camera couldn't face the bar code at an angle, at it had to be 
>> right-side-up. Of course, a blind person doesn't necessarily know where 
>> on the box, can, or bottle the bar code is to be found, so that creates 
>> a challenge. That's partly why the ID Mate is so expensive. They must 
>> use a 3D laser scanner, like is used in the check-out line at a grocery 
>> store. Those perform an active scan, and can register bar codes at any 
>> angle, and even on curved surfaces. You can basically hold up the 
>> scanner and turn the container in front of the camera, and it will 
>> automatically scan the bar code as soon as it's visible, regardless of 
>> the bar code's orientation.
>> 
>> My thoughts were that the iPhone app would be like trying to read a bar 
>> code with a CCD scanner. Yes, it would work but only if you knew where 
>> to find the bar code, which way was right-side-up, and only if the bar 
>

Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Nic,

I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem to be 
a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the crash log.

When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, but 
it still happens all the time.

It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: Pages09

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Julie,

I'm hoping to produce a user guide for iWork09, but it all depends on time. 
Part of it is already done, but it's in French as France is where I live and 
teach VoiceOver.

I'll let the list know when the guide is available and I think we will have to 
charge a small fee for it.

Cheers,

Anne

On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:00 PM, RATTRAY J. wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Are you planning a user guide for iworks? If so will it be commerically
> available? I would love such a guide as would like to use pages etc more
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 28 June 2010 11:38
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pages09
> 
> Hello Paul,
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I like to create agendas for meetings. In addition, I like to write 
>> legal documents with outlined numbering like 1. 1.1 1.1.1 2.0
>> 2.1 2.2. etc.
> Pages will take care of paragraph numbering of that kind.
> 
>> I also like to use tables in my documents and to write letters and 
>> memos.
> Tables are tricky. You have to use Numbers to create them if you can't
> see and have to use VoiceOver. VoiceOver can't see tables in Pages
> documents. However, if there's an existing table in a Pages document,
> you can copy it into a Numbers document and read it, modify it, etc
> there, then copy it back again. Messy, but doable.
> 
>> Finally, I like to create address lists that I can translate into 
>> Braille. In these situations I would like to use mail merge 
>> facilities.
> Sorry. I haven't done this myself but it should be possible. I have to
> spend time this summer on creating a user guide for VO users of iWork09.
> 
>> Finally, are their more templates available for pages09 that are not 
>> in the template chooser?
> I don't think so, but you can create your own.
> 
>> Do you also use numbers?
> Yes, but I haven't done anything complex with it.
> 
> I've also used Keynote when translating PowerPoint documents.
> 
> I would say that iWork09 is 95% accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is going 
to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Nic,
> 
> I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem to 
> be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the crash 
> log.
> 
> When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, but 
> it still happens all the time.
> 
> It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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RE: Pages09

[RATTRAY J.]

Hi,

I for one would be happy to pay as it would really help me make the
final shift away from windows to Mac for everything that I do which is
what I want - I dislike using two systems.

Good luck with the task - would offer to help but my french is not good
enough to do a translation!

Julie
 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: 28 June 2010 14:08
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pages09

Hello Julie,

I'm hoping to produce a user guide for iWork09, but it all depends on
time. Part of it is already done, but it's in French as France is where
I live and teach VoiceOver.

I'll let the list know when the guide is available and I think we will
have to charge a small fee for it.

Cheers,

Anne

On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:00 PM, RATTRAY J. wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Are you planning a user guide for iworks? If so will it be 
> commerically available? I would love such a guide as would like to use

> pages etc more
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 28 June 2010 11:38
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pages09
> 
> Hello Paul,
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I like to create agendas for meetings. In addition, I like to write 
>> legal documents with outlined numbering like 1. 1.1 1.1.1 2.0
>> 2.1 2.2. etc.
> Pages will take care of paragraph numbering of that kind.
> 
>> I also like to use tables in my documents and to write letters and 
>> memos.
> Tables are tricky. You have to use Numbers to create them if you can't

> see and have to use VoiceOver. VoiceOver can't see tables in Pages 
> documents. However, if there's an existing table in a Pages document, 
> you can copy it into a Numbers document and read it, modify it, etc 
> there, then copy it back again. Messy, but doable.
> 
>> Finally, I like to create address lists that I can translate into 
>> Braille. In these situations I would like to use mail merge 
>> facilities.
> Sorry. I haven't done this myself but it should be possible. I have to

> spend time this summer on creating a user guide for VO users of
iWork09.
> 
>> Finally, are their more templates available for pages09 that are not 
>> in the template chooser?
> I don't think so, but you can create your own.
> 
>> Do you also use numbers?
> Yes, but I haven't done anything complex with it.
> 
> I've also used Keynote when translating PowerPoint documents.
> 
> I would say that iWork09 is 95% accessible with VoiceOver.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Never mind that. Looking on the volume itself and not just the user directory, 
I see a lot of VoiceOver crash reports. I take back my statement.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is going 
> to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
> 
> regards,
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> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Nic,
>> 
>> I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem to 
>> be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the crash 
>> log.
>> 
>> When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
>> but it still happens all the time.
>> 
>> It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Nic,

This has happened to me quite frequently as well. VO crashed yesterday during a 
podcast I was recording. It's quite annoying and it takes me a few presses of 
command F5 to get it going again.

Allison

On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
> 
> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it happens 
> in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It mostly seems 
> to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off speech by moving 
> around such as a long string of text.
> 
> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx and 
> suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", then 
> "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to cut 
> off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
> 
> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
> and even that was unusual.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Cody Hurst]

I've been seeing it a lot more so in safari not really else where.
On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
> 
> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it happens 
> in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It mostly seems 
> to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off speech by moving 
> around such as a long string of text.
> 
> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx and 
> suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", then 
> "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to cut 
> off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
> 
> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
> and even that was unusual.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Don't worry about restarting VoiceOver manually, though. VoiceOver will 
automatically relaunch itself when it crashes.

It might be a good idea to check for VoiceOver crash logs in 
~library/logs/CrashReporter and library/logs/CrashReporter. The first path 
refers to your user directory represented by ~, while the second path is off 
the main volume of your Macintosh. They're all timestamped.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Nic,
> 
> This has happened to me quite frequently as well. VO crashed yesterday during 
> a podcast I was recording. It's quite annoying and it takes me a few presses 
> of command F5 to get it going again.
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
>> 
>> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
>> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
>> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it 
>> happens in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It 
>> mostly seems to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off 
>> speech by moving around such as a long string of text.
>> 
>> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
>> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx 
>> and suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
>> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
>> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", 
>> then "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to 
>> cut off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
>> 
>> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
>> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
>> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
>> and even that was unusual.
>> 
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

In that case, you might want to try the latest Webkit engine from
http://www.webkit.org

A lot of those crashes are probably related to the engine itself, and it tends 
to fix a lot of them as that engine is up-to-date and continuously being 
patched.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Cody Hurst wrote:

> I've been seeing it a lot more so in safari not really else where.
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
>> 
>> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
>> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
>> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it 
>> happens in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It 
>> mostly seems to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off 
>> speech by moving around such as a long string of text.
>> 
>> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
>> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx 
>> and suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
>> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
>> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", 
>> then "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to 
>> cut off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
>> 
>> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
>> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
>> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
>> and even that was unusual.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> Twitter
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Nic,

I have a few crash reports, but nothing like the number there should be to 
reflect the times that VO goes silent on me. The past week only shows about 
half a dozen crashes.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Never mind that. Looking on the volume itself and not just the user 
> directory, I see a lot of VoiceOver crash reports. I take back my statement.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is 
>> going to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
>> 
>> regards,
>> Nic
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>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Nic,
>>> 
>>> I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem 
>>> to be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the 
>>> crash log.
>>> 
>>> When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
>>> but it still happens all the time.
>>> 
>>> It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I guess I'm better off, then. I have one report from today, reflecting the time 
it crashed as well. I guess I can at least send that off. I'd like to see it 
crash once more at least. It might make it easier to see if there's something 
similar between the occurrence of the crashes.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Nic,
> 
> I have a few crash reports, but nothing like the number there should be to 
> reflect the times that VO goes silent on me. The past week only shows about 
> half a dozen crashes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Never mind that. Looking on the volume itself and not just the user 
>> directory, I see a lot of VoiceOver crash reports. I take back my statement.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is 
>>> going to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Nic,
 
 I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem 
 to be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the 
 crash log.
 
 When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
 but it still happens all the time.
 
 It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Søren Jensen]

My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, VO 
crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of mine. I 
typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost my speech 
and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that we can't 
start VO again when it crash in that way.
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Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:08 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:

> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is going 
> to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
> 
> regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Nic,
>> 
>> I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem to 
>> be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the crash 
>> log.
>> 
>> When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
>> but it still happens all the time.
>> 
>> It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
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Was Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor now remote

[Frank Carmickle]

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Snip...
> Actually I am very jealous as this time last year when I could see I would 
> have killed for a mac with HDMI on i for my living room.  Let's just hope the 
> updated iTV is accessible with some sort of TV content as my cable box is now 
> useless.  I am not sure if Richard Branson's Virgin team will have the 
> foresight to add talking menus or enable the iPhone to control the device via 
> VoiceOver and a wi fi  signal.

Any iThing can remotely control an iTunes library which is what the Apple tv 
is.  It is rumored that Apple will be releasing a new Apple tv shortly and for 
less cost.  I sure hope this is the truth for I need to buy two of them to 
continue the way we watch tv in my house.

Currently I have an airport express the remote app on the iPhone and iTunes 
running on the mini and it's awesome connected up to my 1962 Eico st-40.  The 
sound of tube amplification is so wonderful when it's done right.  

Search the app store for remote.  When you find the free one from Apple, 
install it and enjoy.

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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Yours literally won't come back up? Now that's even more strange. Mine comes up 
after about ten seconds or so and I'm fine on its own.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, 
> VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of mine. 
> I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost my 
> speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that we 
> can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> 
> Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:08 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is 
>> going to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
>> 
>> regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
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>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Nic,
>>> 
>>> I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem 
>>> to be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the 
>>> crash log.
>>> 
>>> When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
>>> but it still happens all the time.
>>> 
>>> It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
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Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor

[Frank Carmickle]

Hello Bryan

On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

> Because apps like Safari decide how much information that they can show at 
> once based on the current display resolution. The Mac determines the 
> available screen resolutions by determining the type of monitor that is 
> connected. When no monitor is connected, no screen resolution is defined, and 
> so any program that depends on screen resolution will go wacko, as it thinks 
> you have a screen with size 0. Can't fit a lot of information on a screen 
> with size 0. Most programmers never test for that situation, because they 
> can't test without some sort of monitor connected. Apple could fix Safari, 
> but that's just one program among many that will go bonkers with a size 0 
> screen.
> 
You are absolutely correct.  I thought that Apple could just implement a dummy 
video driver that one could set their own parameters.  Do you see any reason 
why this wouldn't work?

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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Olivia Norman]

How do you create folders?
Purposely, that is LOL!
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs

On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Lol,
> 
> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made is 
> completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will delete 
> itself.
> 
> hth  
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>> Thanks for the tip.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
>>> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice after 
>>> you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru clock and 
>>> stuff there.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> s
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
 bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
 
 I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
 one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
 and
 2.  How can I delete the folder?
 
 and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
 volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Søren,

I can restart speech when mine crashes by pressing VO-F5 4 times. However, 
these are the crashes that leave no trace.

When VO crashes completely, it restarts itself and leaves a log entry.

Cheers,

Anne

On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, 
> VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of mine. 
> I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost my 
> speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that we 
> can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
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Re: Safari Reader Doesn't Seem to Get Along Wih Braille Displays?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi Annie and all,

Yes, I notice the display problem in form fields, too. With Reader, the display 
seems to get locked into the tool bar, no matter which control I attempt to 
interact with.

Teresa
On Jun 28, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I do not understand that. There is some problems with safari and
> braille at the moment, but I can normally read in HTML areas. Does
> your display not show anything at all, sometimes it helps me to
> interact with the text.
> 
> 
> 
> I have problems when I write in a form field, if it is a mail on gmail
> or another long text, I can not see that on my display, only some of
> it.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> 
> 2010/6/28, Teresa Cochran :
>> Hi, All,
>> 
>> I have cursor tracking on, and when trying to use my Focus 40 Blue display
>> with the Safari 5 reader, I can't get it to display 'any of the text, even
>> when I interact with HTML content. Is there any way to resolve this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Søren Jensen]

Where do I find the log entry? When my Vo crashes, it crashes completely and I 
can't get speech when pressing command f5. I've waited for more than a hour 
when listening to an audiobook to see if that helped, but I couldn't start VO 
again... It doesn't happen very often, but it have gone more wors after I've 
upgraded to 10.5.4.
if VO just died for 10 seconds or maybe two minutes, I could live with it. But 
I hate when it completely dies!
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Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:45 PM skrev Anne Robertson:

> Hello Søren,
> 
> I can restart speech when mine crashes by pressing VO-F5 4 times. However, 
> these are the crashes that leave no trace.
> 
> When VO crashes completely, it restarts itself and leaves a log entry.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
> 
>> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, 
>> VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of 
>> mine. I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost 
>> my speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that 
>> we can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
>> Best regards
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

They're usually in ~/library/logs/CrashReporter and library/logs/CrashReporter. 
They're all timestamped as well.

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On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> Where do I find the log entry? When my Vo crashes, it crashes completely and 
> I can't get speech when pressing command f5. I've waited for more than a hour 
> when listening to an audiobook to see if that helped, but I couldn't start VO 
> again... It doesn't happen very often, but it have gone more wors after I've 
> upgraded to 10.5.4.
> if VO just died for 10 seconds or maybe two minutes, I could live with it. 
> But I hate when it completely dies!
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> 
> Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:45 PM skrev Anne Robertson:
> 
>> Hello Søren,
>> 
>> I can restart speech when mine crashes by pressing VO-F5 4 times. However, 
>> these are the crashes that leave no trace.
>> 
>> When VO crashes completely, it restarts itself and leaves a log entry.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
>> 
>>> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. 
>>> Yesterday, VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a 
>>> friend of mine. I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him 
>>> that I lost my speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying 
>>> thing is that we can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
>>> Best regards
>>> Søren Jensen
>>> Mail & MSN:
>>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>>> Website:
>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Donna Goodin]

Well, you just take one of the apps that you want to put in the folder, and 
move it on top of another app that you want to have in that same folder.  What 
I haven't quite sorted out yet, is that sometimes this creates a folder, which 
is what's supposed to happen, I think.  But at other times, the two apps just 
trade places.  This can be kind of handy too, I just wish I knew what caused it 
to do one thing or the other.
Donna
On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:

> How do you create folders?
> Purposely, that is LOL!
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>> delete itself.
>> 
>> hth  
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
 settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
 after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
 clock and stuff there.
 
 Good luck.
 
 s
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
> 
> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
> and
> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
> 
> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
> personally.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Cody Hurst]

You need to hear vo say that the icon your dragging is on top of the other 
icon, otherwise it will report the row/column coordinates and just move rather 
than make a folder
On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Well, you just take one of the apps that you want to put in the folder, and 
> move it on top of another app that you want to have in that same folder.  
> What I haven't quite sorted out yet, is that sometimes this creates a folder, 
> which is what's supposed to happen, I think.  But at other times, the two 
> apps just trade places.  This can be kind of handy too, I just wish I knew 
> what caused it to do one thing or the other.
> Donna
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
> 
>> How do you create folders?
>> Purposely, that is LOL!
>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Lol,
>>> 
>>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>>> delete itself.
>>> 
>>> hth  
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
 though, I wonder why it does that.
 Thanks for the tip.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
> after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
> clock and stuff there.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> s
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
>> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
>> 
>> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
>> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
>> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
>> and
>> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
>> 
>> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
>> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
>> personally.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Donna
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Is Saytext available?

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

I have seen several posts about scanning with Saytext. Is is out? Thanks again 
for all your help. Have a great day.

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Re: Was Re: Using a Mac Mini without a monitor now remote

[Chris Moore]

Thanks for that, but what I was meaning I am unable to use my cable box now as 
i can no longer read the on screen menus which control TV on demand and the EPG 
etc.  I have a Virgin V+ box with 160GB hard drive installed.  It would be 
useful if Virgin would update their software to enable the user interface to 
have Text to Speech, but I can't see it happening.  So a good compromise would 
be to enable the iPhone to log into my Virgin account and access the cable box 
remotely enabling voice over to control the cable box.
On 28 Jun 2010, at 1

If Apple update their Apple TV box, I would hope to find some actual TV 
features that enable hard disk recording and access to a digital TV guide.
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
> Snip...
>> Actually I am very jealous as this time last year when I could see I would 
>> have killed for a mac with HDMI on i for my living room.  Let's just hope 
>> the updated iTV is accessible with some sort of TV content as my cable box 
>> is now useless.  I am not sure if Richard Branson's Virgin team will have 
>> the foresight to add talking menus or enable the iPhone to control the 
>> device via VoiceOver and a wi fi  signal.
> 
> Any iThing can remotely control an iTunes library which is what the Apple tv 
> is.  It is rumored that Apple will be releasing a new Apple tv shortly and 
> for less cost.  I sure hope this is the truth for I need to buy two of them 
> to continue the way we watch tv in my house.
> 
> Currently I have an airport express the remote app on the iPhone and iTunes 
> running on the mini and it's awesome connected up to my 1962 Eico st-40.  The 
> sound of tube amplification is so wonderful when it's done right.  
> 
> Search the app store for remote.  When you find the free one from Apple, 
> install it and enjoy.
> 
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Donna Goodin]

I'll have to pay more attention.  I am pretty sure that it did say that one 
icon was on top of the other, though.
Donna
On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Cody Hurst wrote:

> You need to hear vo say that the icon your dragging is on top of the other 
> icon, otherwise it will report the row/column coordinates and just move 
> rather than make a folder
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Well, you just take one of the apps that you want to put in the folder, and 
>> move it on top of another app that you want to have in that same folder.  
>> What I haven't quite sorted out yet, is that sometimes this creates a 
>> folder, which is what's supposed to happen, I think.  But at other times, 
>> the two apps just trade places.  This can be kind of handy too, I just wish 
>> I knew what caused it to do one thing or the other.
>> Donna
>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Olivia Norman wrote:
>> 
>>> How do you create folders?
>>> Purposely, that is LOL!
>>> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Lol,
 
 No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
 is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
 created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
 folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then 
 while your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the 
 cursor in an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the 
 folder will delete itself.
 
 hth  
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
> though, I wonder why it does that.
> Thanks for the tip.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
>> settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
>> after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
>> clock and stuff there.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> s
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
>>> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
>>> 
>>> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I 
>>> made one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
>>> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
>>> and
>>> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
>>> 
>>> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that 
>>> the volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
>>> personally.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Donna
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Re: some IOS4 questions

[Chris Moore]

By dragging an app on top of another app, a folder will automatically be 
created.  You are not able to create folders manually.
On 28 Jun 2010, at 14:45, Olivia Norman wrote:

> How do you create folders?
> Purposely, that is LOL!
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower", Steve Jobs
> 
> On Jun 27, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Lol,
>> 
>> No No No.  The reseting of your home screen to get rid of folders you made 
>> is completely unnecessary.  First if you aren't already in the folder you 
>> created double tap on it.  Then find the app you want to remove from the 
>> folder and double tap and hold like your going to move the app.  Then while 
>> your fingers still down, do a flick up, like when your moving the cursor in 
>> an edit field.  Do this until you empty the folder and the folder will 
>> delete itself.
>> 
>> hth  
>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmm, interesting.  It worked.  The utilities folder is kind of weird, 
>>> though, I wonder why it does that.
>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 to answer your first 2 questions, reset yoru home screen lay out. go to 
 settings, general, reset and reset homescreen layout. You will notice 
 after you do this there is a utilities folder. that conains all of yoru 
 clock and stuff there.
 
 Good luck.
 
 s
 On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Well, after installing IOS4 this afternoon, I've been playing around a 
> bit, and already managed to get myself in a pickle. :)
> 
> I hadn't gotten around to learning about folders yet, but somehow I made 
> one, and stuck a couple of my apps in it.  Can anyone tell me:
> 1.  How do I remove my apps from the folder?
> and
> 2.  How can I delete the folder?
> 
> and my last question, have any of you who have upgraded noticed that the 
> volume is considerably softer?  Not too crazy about that change, 
> personally.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Donna
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Photo Descriptions

[Chris Moore]

Since the introduction of iOS 4.0 I have been enjoying the introduction 
of wallpaper with voiceover descriptions, despite the new wallpapers not being 
as nice as the previous OS release.  But it got me thinking

Today someone from work sent me a text message asking for a picture of my guide 
dog for his son.  I thought ok no problem but then I realised that I have a 
number of photos on my iPhone that I can no longer see.  Here is a perfect 
example of when I could have done with some sort of description added to each 
of my photos so I knew I was sending a picture of my dog and not the cat (not 
that I have a cat, but you get my drift).  This would also be useful for blind 
parents or grand parents who wish to show pictures of the family to friends and 
be able to control what people are looking at in their photo album.

I can appreciate for some of this sighted assistance may be required when first 
labelling pictures, but I am interested to know what other group members think.

Chris

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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
That happens to me when I'm reading tweets and mail messages. It's really 
weird. You're not the only one.
Courtney
On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I wanted to pass this to you guys, too.
> 
> Ever since the 10.6.4 update, I've been noticing frequent crashes with 
> VoiceOver. I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this problem. It also 
> seems to be random if you're being a casual observer, meaning that it happens 
> in whichever application I'm using if it feels like doing it. It mostly seems 
> to be if I'm moving very, very fast, however, or cutting off speech by moving 
> around such as a long string of text.
> 
> I've been seeing it a lot such as when I'm opening applications in 
> particular. This morning, for example, I started reading tweets in Syrinx and 
> suddenly, VoiceOver just died. Yesterday, I opened up the Infovox iVox 
> pronunciation editor to add some phonetic transcriptions. It was reading the 
> item in the finder while it was already opening. All I heard was "busy", then 
> "Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor window", and when I tried to move to cut 
> off the speech concerning the transcriptions table, it died too.
> 
> I can't reproduce it, though, which is why I'm hoping someone else is seeing 
> this behavior too. It's much more frequent than ever for me, and I can't 
> figure it out. Previously, VoiceOver only crashed on me on certain websites 
> and even that was unusual.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> Facebook
> Twitter
> Skype: Kvalme
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Courtney Curran]

Hi,
Mine won't come up either, and I have to restart. It's really annoying.
Courtney
On Jun 28, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yours literally won't come back up? Now that's even more strange. Mine comes 
> up after about ten seconds or so and I'm fine on its own.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> Twitter
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> 
> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:
> 
>> My Voiceover also crash more often since I've upgraded to 10.6.4. Yesterday, 
>> VO crashed in Adium, where I was typing a longer message to a friend of 
>> mine. I typed the rest of the message, sended it, wrote to him that I lost 
>> my speech and needed to restart my computer. The most annoying thing is that 
>> we can't start VO again when it crash in that way.
>> Best regards
>> Søren Jensen
>> Mail & MSN:
>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
>> Website:
>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>> 
>> Den Jun 28, 2010 kl. 3:08 PM skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same now that I looked at it. Hmm. That one is 
>>> going to be hard to explain to Apple in that case.
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> Twitter
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>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Nic,
 
 I've been having this problem since OS X 10.6.3. However, it doesn't seem 
 to be a VoiceOver crash as such since it doesn't create an entry in the 
 crash log.
 
 When working in English, I don't even use a heavy-duty voice, I use Fred, 
 but it still happens all the time.
 
 It's frustrating not to have some kind of crash log to send to Apple.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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Re: VO V4.0: some contributions

[Massimo]

In data Lunedě 28 Giugno 2010 15.40.11, Kawal Gucukoglu 
 ha scritto:

Hi.
I really like the braille suggestions as braille is very important to 
me and at present my display will only read in grade 1 even though 
I've done the necessary adjustments for it to read grade II.
Thank you. In facts, as things stand now in MacOsX, the Braille just 
mirrors the TTS. :-(


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Re: Photo Descriptions

[John André Netland]

As you might know, there is title and description tags in jpg and other picture 
files, that you can use for this purpose. If you buy pictures from Crestock for 
example, they are all described in detail by using these fields. So, when you 
add pictures to iPhoto, you can browse or search based on the description tag, 
or add your own description. If you do so, the description will appear when you 
add your photo to devices or services that uses this tag. When you for example 
see a description of a picture on a web page, or on your iOS device, the info 
comes from this tag. You can see if there is added a title or description to a 
jpg file by pressing control-I when focused on a file in Finder on a Mac for 
example.

HTH
John André


On 28. juni 2010, at 16.17, Chris Moore wrote:

>   Since the introduction of iOS 4.0 I have been enjoying the introduction 
> of wallpaper with voiceover descriptions, despite the new wallpapers not 
> being as nice as the previous OS release.  But it got me thinking
> 
> Today someone from work sent me a text message asking for a picture of my 
> guide dog for his son.  I thought ok no problem but then I realised that I 
> have a number of photos on my iPhone that I can no longer see.  Here is a 
> perfect example of when I could have done with some sort of description added 
> to each of my photos so I knew I was sending a picture of my dog and not the 
> cat (not that I have a cat, but you get my drift).  This would also be useful 
> for blind parents or grand parents who wish to show pictures of the family to 
> friends and be able to control what people are looking at in their photo 
> album.
> 
> I can appreciate for some of this sighted assistance may be required when 
> first labelling pictures, but I am interested to know what other group 
> members think.
> 
> Chris
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Re: Frequent crashes of VoiceOver since the release of Mac OS X 10.6.4

[Mary Otten]

If voice over doesn't come up on its own after a crash, starting up the voice 
over practice guide with control option command f8 then exiting out of there 
will work pretty much every time here.

Mary

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