Re: multiple copies being posted

[anouk radix]

Hello, Yes i noticed this yesterday with my own posts. Very strange I have 
never noticed this before. But then again most of the email lists that I am on 
are yahoogroups.
Greetings, Anouk,
On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:48 AM, peter apgar wrote:

> Cara,
> 
> thanks for the update.  it is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Merry christmas & happy holidays,
> 
> Pete
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
> 
>> Pete and list, while I personally haven't been seeing this, I've no doubt 
>> others are, as this does happen with Google Groups from time to time. 
>> 
>> I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and unfortunately, there seems to be no 
>> way to stop these sorts of issues. Believe me, Josh and I have tried time 
>> and time again to deal with these, and others as well. 
>> 
>> We sure will keep y'all apprized if we do find anything out in regard to 
>> such issues.
>> 
>> Once again, so sorry for the inconvenience and I wish you and yours a most 
>> lovely holiday season!!!
>> 
>> Smiles,
>> 
>> CQ :)
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>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, peter apgar wrote:
>> 
>> Good evening,
>> 
>> As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are 
>> being posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system 
>> , or is it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Pete
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To Djay 3 users out there - a question

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
So i finally took the plunge and purchased Djay 3 which appears like a very 
interesting little app. There are loads of shortcuts, practically everything 
can be done from the keyboard, only thing you can't do is scratch, and that is 
logical.:-) Has anyone labeled any controls for this application? Also, there 
are some shortcuts that clash with VO shortcuts, and i wonder how people do 
with those, do you turn off Vo or what do you do in order to reach those 
shortcuts?
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RE: multiple copies being posted

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, just some thoughts for those that is sending out multi copies or getting
multi copies try to change your email settings to IMAP instead of POP3. POP3
is bad about getting multi copies and sending out multi copies. I know
everyone want have this option. But if you are using Google email you will
have this choice.
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multiple copies being posted

  Pete and list, while I personally haven't been seeing this, I've no doubt
others are, as this does happen with Google Groups from time to time. 

  I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and unfortunately, there seems to be
no way to stop these sorts of issues. Believe me, Josh and I have tried time
and time again to deal with these, and others as well. 

  We sure will keep y'all apprized if we do find anything out in regard to
such issues.

  Once again, so sorry for the inconvenience and I wish you and yours a most
lovely holiday season!!!

Smiles,

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On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, peter apgar wrote:

Good evening,

As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are
being posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system
, or is it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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RE: multiple copies being posted

[M. Taylor]

This is a very excellent suggestion, Joe.  

Nicely done.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Plummer
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: multiple copies being posted

Hi, just some thoughts for those that is sending out multi copies or getting
multi copies try to change your email settings to IMAP instead of POP3. POP3
is bad about getting multi copies and sending out multi copies. I know
everyone want have this option. But if you are using Google email you will
have this choice.
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multiple copies being posted

  Pete and list, while I personally haven't been seeing this, I've no doubt
others are, as this does happen with Google Groups from time to time. 

  I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and unfortunately, there seems to be
no way to stop these sorts of issues. Believe me, Josh and I have tried time
and time again to deal with these, and others as well. 

  We sure will keep y'all apprized if we do find anything out in regard to
such issues.

  Once again, so sorry for the inconvenience and I wish you and yours a most
lovely holiday season!!!

Smiles,

CQ :)
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On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, peter apgar wrote:

Good evening,

As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are
being posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system
, or is it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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RE: We better keep this going!

[Joe Plummer]

I agree that the bigger Your community is maybe the better response we might
get from developers and Apple. But to just to get someone to switch over to
the IPhone or Mac and giving them false info is not the way to do it. No
matter what some of the list thinks the IPhone and Mac is not for everyone.
You need to get what you are the most comfortable with and that will meet
your needs. This is a personal decision. We should just be giving info not
being a Apple sales Rep. Just my thoughts.
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jess
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: We better keep this going!

Hi folks,

Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we need
to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more people
we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue support and
development for Voice OVer.
For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have it
talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that makes
my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special software
that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to people that I
am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people
don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be
able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to
keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and
longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone
forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that
accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to
everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always
what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I
have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?


Jes

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RE: We better keep this going!

[Joe Plummer]

I agree we don't need to get into being a Apple sales Rep. We just need to
give info and let the person make the decision!
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. I'm
personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even if
we had service for it where I'm at.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we
need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more
people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue
support and development for Voice OVer.
> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have it
talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that makes
my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special software
that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to people that I
am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people
don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be
able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to
keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and
longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone
forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that
accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to
everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always
what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I
have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
> 
> 
> Jes
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RE: We better keep this going!

[Joe Plummer]

Yes, give info but not a sale pitch.
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do
believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the iPhone
or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that finally
now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and purchase
an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not
have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a tremendous
difference.
I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings by
Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or
visually impaired user honestly.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. I'm
personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even if
we had service for it where I'm at.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we
need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more
people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue
support and development for Voice OVer.
>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have it
talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that makes
my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special software
that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to people that I
am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people
don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be
able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to
keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and
longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone
forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that
accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to
everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always
what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I
have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
>> 
>> 
>> Jes
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Re: Gmail Accounts and Odd Behavior

[Scott Howell]

Hi Darcy, yes, that is the one I'm referring too.
I followed the directions, but yet I'm having some issues that I just can't get 
a handle on.


On Dec 22, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi Scott.  Is the article you're referring to the one from tid bits?  This is 
> what I followed, and had everything work just fine.
> Darcy
> 
> On 2009-12-22, at 8:03 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>>  I have two some issues with Gmail and messages appearing in different 
>> locations. I have two Gmail accounts, but let me explain this part a little 
>> further. The one account is just a Gmail account, but the other is for a 
>> university and is hosted by Google and is also an imap account. What is 
>> happening is mail generally appears in my inbox, but I'm finding at times 
>> that e-mail is appearing in some mailboxes created on the Gmail server and 
>> these mailboxes are things like stared, trash, and so forth. I read an 
>> article that apparently explains how to avoid having Gmail create all these 
>> extra mailboxes and instead use what is already there. Well this doesn't 
>> seem to work exactly as advertised. So, has anyone setup Gmail for imap and 
>> have not encountered odd behavior as I am describing?
>> If so, any thoughts?
>> 
>> tnx,
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Vo and is it what everone needs!

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, change the subject to reflect the conversation. I agree different
strokes for different folks. Vo does not meet everyone needs. Either on the
Mac or IPhone or iPod touch. Just my thoughts  and I have the IPhone and
plan on getting a Mac one day. But it will not replace Jaws and Windows. It
will just enhance them and embrace them.
 


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not "I
still need help."
While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to tell
someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really
doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store.

I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some
things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be
looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying
"You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really matter
to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the IPhone is
great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone because of
it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with someone if
you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much less having
to make sure things are quiet.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Tyler,
> 
> I do not understand your comment below.  What does it talking out of the
box have to do with whether you need help.  I do not understand the
connection.  Can you elaborate?
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> 
>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't
get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help
with.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do
believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the iPhone
or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that finally
now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and purchase
an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not
have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a tremendous
difference.
>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings
by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or
visually impaired user honestly.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> 
 The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage.
I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even
if we had service for it where I'm at.
 On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we
need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more
people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue
support and development for Voice OVer.
> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have
it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that
makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special
software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to
people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of
satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so
how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated
as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited
for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something right out of the box,
will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince
someone that accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100
percent access to everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a
market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument
to be void, and I have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on
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> 
> 
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RE: We better keep this going!

[Joe Plummer]

Yes and it meets your needs great but it might not for everyone. So here
again we need to give info and stay out of the sales department, unless you
want to go to work for Apple!
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:43 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

Hi,

Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac and
the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store, it
also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod
Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your library, your
school, your university, your work etc etc have at their location. So, you
are not forced to use only your own special edited and pre-installed PC at
home or at work, with only one authorization available. You are free to use
any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit is stolen, lost,
broken or simply not where you currently are, there are always another one
available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to perform installation
etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to benefit from. In
addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me productive and able
to run my business with success. NOt that I could not do just that with a
PC, but not with that kind of freedom.

Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles.

Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone!

John André

 
On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not
"I still need help."
> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to
tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really
doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store.
> 
> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some
things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be
looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying
"You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really matter
to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the IPhone is
great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone because of
it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with someone if
you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much less having
to make sure things are quiet.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Tyler,
>> 
>> I do not understand your comment below.  What does it talking out of the
box have to do with whether you need help.  I do not understand the
connection.  Can you elaborate?
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> 
>>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't
get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help
with.
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I
do believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the
iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that
finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and
purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or iPod,
and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a
tremendous difference.
 I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other
offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a
blind or visually impaired user honestly.
 
 On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
 
> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage.
I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, even
if we had service for it where I'm at.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks,
we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more
people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue
support and development for Voice OVer.
>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and
have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that
makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special
software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to
people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of
satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so
how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated
as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited
for, ho

RE: We better keep this going!

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This is a TMI!
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cody
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

I say quit the bitchin and buy a damn iPhone :p. best damn phone on the
market and also for the price. can't think of anything the iPhone can't do
that any other phone can do and more. now time to put some pants on after a
nice hot shower and get something cold to drnk before heading out.

Cody
- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Littlefield" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!


Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get 
me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do 
> believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the 
> iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that

> finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store 
> and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or

> iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a 
> tremendous difference.
> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings 
> by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or 
> visually impaired user honestly.
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. 
>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, 
>> even if we had service for it where I'm at.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we 
>>> need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The 
>>> more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to 
>>> continue support and development for Voice OVer.
>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have 
>>> it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that 
>>> makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special 
>>> software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to 
>>> people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of 
>>> satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre 
>>> blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I 
>>> can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, 
>>> what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something 
>>> right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every 
>>> time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we have

>>> the right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument

>>> that we are to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but 
>>> Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with 
>>> it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jes
>>>
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Is the mac for everyone!

[Joe Plummer]

Yes you can put JFW on all PC's it would cost some money or you could use a
thumb drive with a dongle authorization. This is what I do at work use the
JFW on a thumb drive and authorize it with a dongle.
 


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-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Huckabay
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:08 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go
to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to
get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that
possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you have
to do is turn vo on and your set.  So if it was a differnt computer well you
would still be able to work with it.  One other thing is if you had to help
some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would have to put some
sort of speach software on it because you could help them. With a mac you
could sall the problem and then just turn vo off.
Just some of my thoughts on this.
Mike.
On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac
and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple Store,
it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any iPHone/iPod
Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your library, your
school, your university, your work etc etc have at their location. So, you
are not forced to use only your own special edited and pre-installed PC at
home or at work, with only one authorization available. You are free to use
any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit is stolen, lost,
broken or simply not where you currently are, there are always another one
available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to perform installation
etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to benefit from. In
addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me productive and able
to run my business with success. NOt that I could not do just that with a
PC, but not with that kind of freedom.
> 
> Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles.
> 
> Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone!
> 
> John André
> 
> 
> On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> 
>> I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not
"I still need help."
>> While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to
tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost really
doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store.
>> 
>> I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are
some things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should
be looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than
saying "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really
matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the
IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an IPhone
because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while being with
someone if you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its self, much
less having to make sure things are quiet.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Tyler,
>>> 
>>> I do not understand your comment below.  What does it talking out of the
box have to do with whether you need help.  I do not understand the
connection.  Can you elaborate?
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> 
 Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't
get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help
with.
 On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I
do believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the
iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that
finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store and
purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or iPod,
and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a
tremendous difference.
> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other
offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a
blind or visually impaired user honestly.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> 
>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting
rampage. I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the
iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Well, I'm getting the IPho

Is Vo for everyone!

[Joe Plummer]

I totally agree!
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

Hi,

The  iPhone is great, but a really important distinction to make is that it
is not the perfect solution for everyone. Some people love the phones they
already have, not to mention computers. And if they're happy with it,
including the issues the equipment might give them once in a while, that's
great. There'd be no reason for them to buy something new. It'd just be a
waste of money.

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On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:59 PM, Cody wrote:

> I say quit the bitchin and buy a damn iPhone :p. best damn phone on 
> the market and also for the price. can't think of anything the iPhone 
> can't do that any other phone can do and more. now time to put some 
> pants on after a nice hot shower and get something cold to drnk before
heading out.
> 
> Cody
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
> 
> 
> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. 
> Don't get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs
help with.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I 
>> do believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like 
>> the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the 
>> fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go 
>> into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a 
>> computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and 
>> expensive software makes a tremendous difference.
>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other 
>> offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product 
>> to a blind or visually impaired user honestly.
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> 
>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. 
>>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the 
>>> iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at.
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 
 Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, 
 we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. 
 The more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be 
 to continue support and development for Voice OVer.
 For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and 
 have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special 
 software that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, 
 this is special software that reads aloud what you see on the 
 screen. When I mention to people that I am going to get the IPhone, 
 I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people don't look at me 
 and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be able to 
 use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to 
 keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, 
 and longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon 
 be gone forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince 
 someone that accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 
 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument that we are 
 to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is 
 proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with it and
never will. Any thoughts on this post?
 
 
 Jes
 
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Is Vo and Mac for everyone!

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, totally agree. You also have satogo you can use on any PC. No it is not
as robust as JFW but it is pretty dog gone good.
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't
the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work
from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from
a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader support, but it
seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a week when
someone else is converted. I love it's stability and security over windows.
But the fact that I have to install a program really doesn't irc me all to
much. It is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows
system and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support
everything, but it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech
support and computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this
solution coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a
system I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting
and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more and
more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market to the
point where I can just walk to any computer and more than likely it'll be a
mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I can go anywhere and use
it," doesn't exactly work, because there really aren't to many floating
around. I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use
*any* computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system,
though a portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show
where focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see
the screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to
tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you could
even pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO was just
saying.

CB

Michael Huckabay wrote: 

Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every
computer. Say you go to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and
jaws you would hav to get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing
a computer that possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a
mac all you have to do is turn vo on and your set.  So if it was a differnt
computer well you would still be able to work with it.  One other thing is
if you had to help some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You
would have to put some sort of speach software on it because you could help
them. With a mac you could sall the problem and then just turn vo off.
Just some of my thoughts on this.
Mike.
On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:

  

Hi,

Well, I think you forget one important point in this
discussion; The Mac and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box
in the Apple Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac
and any iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés,
your library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their
location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and
pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization available.
You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit
is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently are, there are
always another one available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to
perform installation etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to
benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me
productive and able to run my business with success. NOt that I could not do
just that with a PC, but not wit
h that kind of freedom.

Just my little point of view on this subject.
Smiles.

Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone!

John André


On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote:



I believe you should re-read my message. I
said VO still needs help, not "I 

Re: dragon dictate on iphone

[Matt Roberts]

DragonDictate on the iPhone is usable, even though the buttons are not  
labeled. When you want to dictate something into the program, bring up  
Dragon, and use the following procedure.
1. Flick until you hear VoiceOver say "button."
2. Mute VoiceOver with the three finger double tap.
3. Double tap the screen.
4. Dictate your text.
5. Double tap the screen, and unmute VoiceOver.

Matt Roberts

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver

On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:36 AM, "larry"  wrote:

> I am posting this subject here hoping that someone can help.  I have  
> the dragon dictate on my iphone and need to know when to begin and  
> stop dictating.  The dictate button is not labeled.  Also would like  
> to know where the transcribed files are stored.
> Tried the iphone google group but something must be wrong with my  
> subscription.
> Thanks much
> larry
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Is Vo or Mac for everyone!

[Joe Plummer]

Hi, That is might be what he intended to say but his communication was
totally different. He was talking about converting everyone to use Mac
because it had VO on it and it was better than the others. I bought my JFW
and My IPhone and Will be buying my Mac! I did not get anyone to buy it for
me! Here again I say give info not a sale pitch. Mac and Vo is great and
should be applauded for their efforts. Just my thoughts.
 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: We better keep this going!

  Okay, guys, enough!

  Personally, as I read it, the original point was not necessarily to
convert anyone to Apple. It was to establish that access out-of-the-box is a
very desirable thing. 

  I support this view whole-heartedly as do most (if not all) of us here. 

  For some who may have funding from rehab organizations this level of
access may be taken for granted, but for those whom choose to pay for their
own tech solutions, the idea of universal access is definitely a welcome
one. 

  As well, for those living completely independently of sighted assistance,
bolt-on solutions just don't cut it. -And, I'd posit, that this kind of
scenario is merely somewhat of a 'pseudo' sense of independence. If your
computer or phone crashes to the point that you need to rely on someone to
help you simply for the fact that they are sighted, then, in a sense, how
independent are you really?

  So, whether you love Microsoft, Apple, and any cell phone manufacturers,
or the screen access solutions they entail, I think we can all agree that
more / better / easier access is a terrific thing! Yes?…

  Thanks so much for such a great discussion, and I'd personally love to see
this continue on Chris's VO BS list if Chris and ya'll are up for it. :)

  To everyone, I wish you and yours a truly lovely holiday season!…

Smiles,

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On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

defending? YOur flippent I'm better than you so go away attitude really
doesn't say much for your position.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:


Well whatever, because now your message isn't making a lot of sense.
At this rate your defending yourself way to hard, so lets just move along to
a new topic. We all know VO is great or we wouldn't be using it. I don't
care about JAWS WE, NDA, or whatever other flavor of WIndows screen reader
you choose to talk about. It all boils down to what works and how you go
about it is what matters and that was pretty much my point.
So, hey, go enjoy whatever machine/OS/screen reader. Have a great
Holiday.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:


Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is
good, which wasn't the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that
the mac would work from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I
didn't even buy it from a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in
screen reader support, but it seems we go over how amazing it is at least
once or twice a week when someone else is converted. I love it's stability
and security over windows. But the fact that I have to install a program
really doesn't irc me all to much. It is a bit hard, but with things like
NVDA I can walk up to a windows system and pop in a USB key and be read to
roll. Sure it doesn't support everything, but it supports quite a bit to
make it worth using. I do tech support and computer repair around the town I
live in, and I've used this solution coupled with narrator many times to get
me up and running on a system I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I
built for troubleshooting and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing.
Sadly though more and more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of
the market to the point where I can just walk to any computer and more than
likely it'll be a mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I can go
anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly work, because there really aren't to
many floating around. I believe that in order to be productive, we need to
be able to use *any* computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a
linux system, though a portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my
knowledge.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:


One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on
the screen to show where focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with
folks who can see the screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together
it can be hard to tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem
with VO and you could even pull up the caption panel to make 

Re: We better keep this going!

[Scott Howell]

Tyler, please, your reading to much into my message, so I'm not going to 
further waste either of our time entertaining this piffle further.
Despite the back and forth, I think we do agree on  some points, but somewhere 
this has gotten off track and the issue has become quite muddy.
Again, have a wonderful Holiday.

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Re: We better keep this going!

[Scott Howell]

Cara, my only comment is thank you for stating what I was trying to say, but 
apparently not very clearly.
So, you have a wonderful Holiday as well and no further from me on this topic.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:

>   Okay, guys, enough!
> 
>   Personally, as I read it, the original point was not necessarily to convert 
> anyone to Apple. It was to establish that access out-of-the-box is a very 
> desirable thing. 
> 
>   I support this view whole-heartedly as do most (if not all) of us here. 
> 
>   For some who may have funding from rehab organizations this level of access 
> may be taken for granted, but for those whom choose to pay for their own tech 
> solutions, the idea of universal access is definitely a welcome one. 
> 
>   As well, for those living completely independently of sighted assistance, 
> bolt-on solutions just don't cut it. -And, I'd posit, that this kind of 
> scenario is merely somewhat of a 'pseudo' sense of independence. If your 
> computer or phone crashes to the point that you need to rely on someone to 
> help you simply for the fact that they are sighted, then, in a sense, how 
> independent are you really?
> 
>   So, whether you love Microsoft, Apple, and any cell phone manufacturers, or 
> the screen access solutions they entail, I think we can all agree that more / 
> better / easier access is a terrific thing! Yes?…
> 
>   Thanks so much for such a great discussion, and I'd personally love to see 
> this continue on Chris's VO BS list if Chris and ya'll are up for it. :)
> 
>   To everyone, I wish you and yours a truly lovely holiday season!…
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara :)
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> On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> 
> defending? YOur flippent I'm better than you so go away attitude really 
> doesn't say much for your position.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> Well whatever, because now your message isn't making a lot of sense. At this 
>> rate your defending yourself way to hard, so lets just move along to a new 
>> topic. We all know VO is great or we wouldn't be using it. I don't care 
>> about JAWS WE, NDA, or whatever other flavor of WIndows screen reader you 
>> choose to talk about. It all boils down to what works and how you go about 
>> it is what matters and that was pretty much my point.
>> So, hey, go enjoy whatever machine/OS/screen reader. Have a great Holiday.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> 
>>> Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't 
>>> the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would 
>>> work from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy 
>>> it from a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader 
>>> support, but it seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a 
>>> week when someone else is converted. I love it's stability and security 
>>> over windows. But the fact that I have to install a program really doesn't 
>>> irc me all to much. It is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk 
>>> up to a windows system and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it 
>>> doesn't support everything, but it supports quite a bit to make it worth 
>>> using. I do tech support and computer repair around the town I live in, and 
>>> I've used this solution coupled with narrator many times to get me up and 
>>> running on a system I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for 
>>> troubleshooting and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly 
>>> though more and more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the 
>>> market to the point where I can just walk to any computer and more than 
>>> likely it'll be a mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I can go 
>>> anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly work, because there really aren't to 
>>> many floating around. I believe that in order to be productive, we need to 
>>> be able to use *any* computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a 
>>> linux system, though a portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my 
>>> knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where 
 focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the 
 screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to 
 tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you 
 could even pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO 
 was just saying.
 
 CB
 
 Michael Huckabay wrote:
> 
> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you 
> go to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would 
> hav to get jaws and

RE: multiple copies being posted

[Joe Plummer]

Thanks,
 


Sign,
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Subject: RE: multiple copies being posted

This is a very excellent suggestion, Joe.  

Nicely done.

Mark

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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:02 AM
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Subject: RE: multiple copies being posted

Hi, just some thoughts for those that is sending out multi copies or getting
multi copies try to change your email settings to IMAP instead of POP3. POP3
is bad about getting multi copies and sending out multi copies. I know
everyone want have this option. But if you are using Google email you will
have this choice.
 


Sign,
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: multiple copies being posted

  Pete and list, while I personally haven't been seeing this, I've no doubt
others are, as this does happen with Google Groups from time to time. 

  I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and unfortunately, there seems to be
no way to stop these sorts of issues. Believe me, Josh and I have tried time
and time again to deal with these, and others as well. 

  We sure will keep y'all apprized if we do find anything out in regard to
such issues.

  Once again, so sorry for the inconvenience and I wish you and yours a most
lovely holiday season!!!

Smiles,

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On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:04 PM, peter apgar wrote:

Good evening,

As this was an issue earlier, it is not only Michael's mailings that are
being posted numerous times.  Is there a way for someone to reset the system
, or is it some odd setting on my system that is causing this?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: dragon dictate on iphone

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

I'm guessing this is a US only application? I can't find it. I'd love to have 
it after hearing the demo, but I guess that's not gonna happen. Unless, of 
course, there's a way I haven't discovered of getting a hold of applications 
that are not for your country only. But I kind of doubt it.

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On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> DragonDictate on the iPhone is usable, even though the buttons are not 
> labeled. When you want to dictate something into the program, bring up 
> Dragon, and use the following procedure.
> 1. Flick until you hear VoiceOver say "button."
> 2. Mute VoiceOver with the three finger double tap.
> 3. Double tap the screen.
> 4. Dictate your text.
> 5. Double tap the screen, and unmute VoiceOver.
> 
> Matt Roberts
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:36 AM, "larry"  wrote:
> 
>> I am posting this subject here hoping that someone can help.  I have the 
>> dragon dictate on my iphone and need to know when to begin and stop 
>> dictating.  The dictate button is not labeled.  Also would like to know 
>> where the transcribed files are stored.
>> Tried the iphone google group but something must be wrong with my 
>> subscription.
>> Thanks much
>> larry
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Re: dragon dictate on iphone

[william lomas]

at the moment, no but i may try contact them. who has done a demo of it

On 23 Dec 2009, at 12:04, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm guessing this is a US only application? I can't find it. I'd  
> love to have it after hearing the demo, but I guess that's not gonna  
> happen. Unless, of course, there's a way I haven't discovered of  
> getting a hold of applications that are not for your country only.  
> But I kind of doubt it.
>
> Regards,
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> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>
>> DragonDictate on the iPhone is usable, even though the buttons are  
>> not labeled. When you want to dictate something into the program,  
>> bring up Dragon, and use the following procedure.
>> 1. Flick until you hear VoiceOver say "button."
>> 2. Mute VoiceOver with the three finger double tap.
>> 3. Double tap the screen.
>> 4. Dictate your text.
>> 5. Double tap the screen, and unmute VoiceOver.
>>
>> Matt Roberts
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:36 AM, "larry"   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am posting this subject here hoping that someone can help.  I  
>>> have the dragon dictate on my iphone and need to know when to  
>>> begin and stop dictating.  The dictate button is not labeled.   
>>> Also would like to know where the transcribed files are stored.
>>> Tried the iphone google group but something must be wrong with my  
>>> subscription.
>>> Thanks much
>>> larry
>>>
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Re: dragon dictate on iphone

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi,

Steve Sawczyn of the Assistive Technology Show did a fantastic demo. You have 
to go forward in the show for December 9, but you'll find it.

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On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:06 PM, william lomas wrote:

> at the moment, no but i may try contact them. who has done a demo of it
> 
> On 23 Dec 2009, at 12:04, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm guessing this is a US only application? I can't find it. I'd love to 
>> have it after hearing the demo, but I guess that's not gonna happen. Unless, 
>> of course, there's a way I haven't discovered of getting a hold of 
>> applications that are not for your country only. But I kind of doubt it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
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>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>> 
>>> DragonDictate on the iPhone is usable, even though the buttons are not 
>>> labeled. When you want to dictate something into the program, bring up 
>>> Dragon, and use the following procedure.
>>> 1. Flick until you hear VoiceOver say "button."
>>> 2. Mute VoiceOver with the three finger double tap.
>>> 3. Double tap the screen.
>>> 4. Dictate your text.
>>> 5. Double tap the screen, and unmute VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Matt Roberts
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
>>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:36 AM, "larry"  wrote:
>>> 
 I am posting this subject here hoping that someone can help.  I have the 
 dragon dictate on my iphone and need to know when to begin and stop 
 dictating.  The dictate button is not labeled.  Also would like to know 
 where the transcribed files are stored.
 Tried the iphone google group but something must be wrong with my 
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Re: We better keep this going!

[Peggy Fleischer]

Recently I went to a bible study at  the home  of a lady I didn't know very 
well.  She had just gotten a Mac  three days before and was having difficulty 
understanding how to access the applications she wanted to use.  She took me to 
see her Mac and I turned on voiceover and showed her  how to access her 
applications and explained about the dock and the finder. It was very cool to 
be able to go to someone's house and access their computer without needing 
extra software or a thumb drive or anything. 

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On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote:

> Yes jess your deffinitley right. It's amazing what apple has dun. It's 
> deffinitley sweet to be able to walk into a apple store and use a computer or 
> phone right on the show room flor with out having to install something to 
> have actsess on it.  I hope apple will keep up it's excessibility for years 
> to come as well.
> On 2009-12-22, at 12:46 PM, Jess wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we need 
>> to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The more people 
>> we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to continue support and 
>> development for Voice OVer.
>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have it 
>> talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that makes 
>> my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special software 
>> that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to people that I 
>> am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people 
>> don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be 
>> able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We half! to 
>> keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for, hoped for, and 
>> longed for, access to something right out of the box, will soon be gone 
>> forever! And by the way, every time I try to convince someone that 
>> accessibility is a right and we have the right to have 100 percent access to 
>> everything we buy, that argument that we are to small of a market is always 
>> what I get. I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I 
>> have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
>> 
>> 
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itunes

[Keith Brown]

can anyone help?
I have asked itunes to sort about 60 or so MP3 albums on a hard drive, 
unfortunately I now have a lot more folders with 1 or so tracks in them  is 
there any way to get itunes to sort it as it used to be?

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Re: We better keep this going!

[erik burggraaf]

Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?

How about a daisy book reader?

Is there a good OCR package yet?

What are people using for gps on it these days?  Anyone tried paring a hulux 
m1000 or an IBlue 737 with the thing?

Oh, and hows the battery life?  I can get a good 3 days out of my I-paq.  If 
the IPhone is ready in all these particulars, I'll buy one in April, but last I 
heard, the product was still new, and although it works right enough, it 
doesn't stack up yet.

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On 2009-12-22, at 4:59 PM, Cody wrote:

> I say quit the bitchin and buy a damn iPhone :p. best damn phone on the 
> market and also for the price. can't think of anything the iPhone can't do 
> that any other phone can do and more. now time to put some pants on after a 
> nice hot shower and get something cold to drnk before heading out.
> 
> Cody
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
> 
> 
> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get 
> me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with.
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do 
>> believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the 
>> iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that 
>> finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store 
>> and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or 
>> iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a 
>> tremendous difference.
>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings 
>> by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or 
>> visually impaired user honestly.
>> 
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>> 
>>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. 
>>> I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, 
>>> even if we had service for it where I'm at.
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 
 Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we 
 need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The 
 more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to 
 continue support and development for Voice OVer.
 For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have 
 it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that 
 makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special 
 software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to 
 people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of 
 satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre 
 blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I 
 can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, 
 what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something 
 right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every 
 time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we have 
 the right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument 
 that we are to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but 
 Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with 
 it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
 
 
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Window-eyes mobile helper Re: We better keep this going!

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Friend,

You seem like a good candidate for window-eyes mobile helper.  This is a tool 
that automates the video intersept install and allows you to cary a working 
instalation of window-eyes, replete with settings on a usb flash drive.

Best,

erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2009-12-22, at 5:37 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Mike that is true and I can't tell you the number of times I've had to 
> install Window-Eyes just to help someone with a PC problem. THen of course 
> you have to tweak things to make sure the screen reader works properly, so 
> loads of time wasted. :)
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Michael Huckabay wrote:
> 
>> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go 
>> to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav to 
>> get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that 
>> possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you have 
>> to do is turn vo on and your set.  So if it was a differnt computer well you 
>> would still be able to work with it.  One other thing is if you had to help 
>> some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would have to put some 
>> sort of speach software on it because you could help them. With a mac you 
>> could sall the problem and then just turn vo off.
>> Just some of my thoughts on this.
>> Mike.
>> On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac 
>>> and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple 
>>> Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any 
>>> iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your 
>>> library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their 
>>> location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and 
>>> pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization available. 
>>> You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. If your unit 
>>> is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently are, there are 
>>> always another one available. No re-installing, re-authorization, help to 
>>> perform installation etc etc. That is a consept I like, and would like to 
>>> benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is currently what makes me 
>>> productive and able to run my business with success. NOt that I could not 
>>> do just that with a PC, but not with that kind of freedom.
>>> 
>>> Just my little point of view on this subject. Smiles.
>>> 
>>> Take care, and have a lovely Christmas everyone!
>>> 
>>> John André
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 22. des. 2009, at 22.13, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> 
 I believe you should re-read my message. I said VO still needs help, not 
 "I still need help."
 While a computer that talks off-the-shelf is great, that's no reason to 
 tell someone they need to buy the mac. While I like the mac, the cost 
 really doesn't balance out having a computer that talks in the apple store.
 
 I still stand by what I've said since I received voiceover. There are some 
 things that VO does and doesn't do better than Jaws. I think we should be 
 looking at what the reader gives us when advertizing it rather than saying 
 "You can use this in the store." Because in reality it doesn't really 
 matter to our productivity if it works off the shelf. While I think the 
 IPhone is great, as I said, I will be buying something that isn't an 
 IPhone because of it's voice active issues. Reading off a number while 
 being with someone if you want to three-way-call is quite annoying in its 
 self, much less having to make sure things are quiet.
 On Dec 22, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
> Tyler,
> 
> I do not understand your comment below.  What does it talking out of the 
> box have to do with whether you need help.  I do not understand the 
> connection.  Can you elaborate?
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> 
>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't 
>> get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs 
>> help with.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I 
>>> do believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like 
>>> the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the 
>>> fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go 
>>> into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a 
>>> computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional and 
>>> expensive software makes a tremendous difference.
>>> I think there is 

Linux was Re: We better keep this going!

[erik burggraaf]

Hi, You wrote:
"I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any* 
computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a 
portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge."

Well actually , ubuntoo and it's flavours talk out of the box, so if you had to 
work on a linux machine you might be OK.  The other thing is, you can install 
linux on a flash drive.  So, if you had to work on linux machines, you could 
build your own very lite install with the gui and speech and your favourite 
tools for diagnosiing system failures.  You could then boot off the flash 
drive, get speech, and run tests, recover data, repair system files, and 
perform updates on the base system even if it were something other than ubuntoo.

Best,


erik burggraaf
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Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2009-12-22, at 5:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't 
> the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work 
> from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from 
> a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader support, but it 
> seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a week when someone 
> else is converted. I love it's stability and security over windows. But the 
> fact that I have to install a program really doesn't irc me all to much. It 
> is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows system 
> and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support everything, 
> but it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech support and 
> computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this solution 
> coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a system I'm 
> fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting and cleaning 
> up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more and more people are 
> buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market to the point where I can 
> just walk to any computer and more than likely it'll be a mac. While there 
> are macs out there, the whole "I can go anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly 
> work, because there really aren't to many floating around. I believe that in 
> order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any* computer, whether it 
> be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a portable linux reader 
> doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where 
>> focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the 
>> screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to tell 
>> where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you could even 
>> pull up the caption panel to make it even more clear what VO was just saying.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> Michael Huckabay wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go 
>>> to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav 
>>> to get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that 
>>> possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you 
>>> have to do is turn vo on and your set.  So if it was a differnt computer 
>>> well you would still be able to work with it.  One other thing is if you 
>>> had to help some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would 
>>> have to put some sort of speach software on it because you could help them. 
>>> With a mac you could sall the problem and then just turn vo off.
>>> Just some of my thoughts on this.
>>> Mike.
>>> On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 Hi,
 
 Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac 
 and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple 
 Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any 
 iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your 
 library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their 
 location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and 
 pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization 
 available. You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. 
 If your unit is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently 
 are, there are always another one available. No re-installing, 
 re-authorization, help to perform installation etc etc. That is a consept 
 I like, and would like to benefit from. In addition, my Mac and iPHone is 
 currently what makes me productive and able to run my business with 
 success. NOt that I could not do just that with a PC, but not wit
 h that kind of 

Re: We better keep this going!

[Matt Roberts]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
> 
> How about a daisy book reader?
> 
> Is there a good OCR package yet?
> 
> What are people using for gps on it these days?

Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why would 
you want it anyway? 
The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
For GPS I use AT&T Navigator, and it works quite well.
I get a day to a day and a half out of my battery.


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Re: deleting bookmarks

[Chris Blouch]

command-option-B to show all your bookmarks. Then navigate to the left 
rail and interact with the table to find the bookmarks menu. Once you've 
selected the Bookmarks menu, stop interacting and move to the table at 
the lower right. That should list all the items you usually find in the 
bookmarks menu. Interact with it and navigate to the bookmark you don't 
want and hit delete. If it's in a folder you'll want to open that first 
and then navigate to the bookmark inside.

CB

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> Hi, I somehow deleted the instructions on how to delete bookmarks through 
> safari. Can someone please tell me how to do that again, thanks.
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Re: We better keep this going!

[Chris Blouch]

A good example of why universal design is so important. Apple gets it 
but for various reasons (marketing, technical, historical) Windows is 
not on board yet. Hopefully someday it will get resolved. The downside 
of universal design is also what you cited. What if MS decided to 
license and bundle Jaws with every Windows so it would be pre-installed 
etc. A lot of NVDA and WindowEyes and brand X Y Z screen reader users 
would be torqued. There would be less incentive for Jaws to innovate 
since they were a technology lockin and the competitors would really 
have to be head and shoulders better to get people to buy them. It would 
be the browser wars all over again. You would have the lame screen 
reader equivalent of Internet Explorer and then lots of scrappy 3rd 
party ones that fight for mindshare through innovation, which would then 
just be cloned into the MS offering someday down the road for free. In 
Apple's case there wasn't an existing marketplace for screen readers so 
nobody's toes got stepped on and Apple has been pretty good about fixing 
and improving VO. I think Apple's model will be better in the long run 
but I'm not sure you could reproduce it in the Windows ecosystem.

CB

Tyler Littlefield wrote:
> Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which 
> wasn't the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the 
> mac would work from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I 
> didn't even buy it from a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in 
> screen reader support, but it seems we go over how amazing it is at 
> least once or twice a week when someone else is converted. I love it's 
> stability and security over windows. But the fact that I have to 
> install a program really doesn't irc me all to much. It is a bit hard, 
> but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows system and pop in 
> a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support everything, but 
> it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech support and 
> computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this solution 
> coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a system 
> I'm fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting 
> and cleaning up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more 
> and more people are buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market 
> to the point where I can just walk to any computer and more than 
> likely it'll be a mac. While there are macs out there, the whole "I 
> can go anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly work, because there 
> really aren't to many floating around. I believe that in order to be 
> productive, we need to be able to use *any* computer, whether it be 
> windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a portable linux 
> reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>> One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show 
>> where focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who 
>> can see the screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it 
>> can be hard to tell where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem 
>> with VO and you could even pull up the caption panel to make it even 
>> more clear what VO was just saying.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Michael Huckabay wrote:
>>> Yes verry good points. You wouldn't have jaws on every computer. Say you go 
>>> to work and have to use a computer. Well with a PC and jaws you would hav 
>>> to get jaws and put it on that computer wich is changing a computer that 
>>> possibley you would mabey not be using all the time. With a mac all you 
>>> have to do is turn vo on and your set.  So if it was a differnt computer 
>>> well you would still be able to work with it.  One other thing is if you 
>>> had to help some one say a sighted friend fix there computer. You would 
>>> have to put some sort of speach software on it because you could help them. 
>>> With a mac you could sall the problem and then just turn vo off.
>>> Just some of my thoughts on this.
>>> Mike.
>>> On 2009-12-22, at 4:42 PM, John André Netland wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi,

 Well, I think you forget one important point in this discussion; The Mac 
 and the iPhone/iPod Touch not only speaks out of the box in the Apple 
 Store, it also talks without any additional software on any Mac and any 
 iPHone/iPod Touch your friends, your family, your internet cafés, your 
 library, your school, your university, your work etc etc have at their 
 location. So, you are not forced to use only your own special edited and 
 pre-installed PC at home or at work, with only one authorization 
 available. You are free to use any Mac/iPHone/iPod Touch on this planet. 
 If your unit is stolen, lost, broken or simply not where you currently 
 are, there are always another one available. No re-installing, 
 re-authorization, help to perform installa

Mac VO Tandem mode?

[Chris Blouch]

In the Jaws world there is a mode where I can connect my machine to 
another machine running Jaws and not only control it as far as 
keystrokes but also hear the audio. Is there a Mac equivalent? It would 
be nice when somebody else gets stuck on something to be able to just do 
a VO "tandem" to their Mac and figure out what's going on.

CB

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Re: We better keep this going!

[Scott Howell]

Matt,

I disagree and believe the iPhone would make an excellent platform for a DAISY 
reader for example. There is such an app, but what I read, it is much to new 
and limited to be the best possible solution. THe point is why buy a Victor 
Stream if you don't have too. Leveraging technology makes sense as reducing the 
number of devices and cost benefits the consumer.

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>> 
>> How about a daisy book reader?
>> 
>> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>> 
>> What are people using for gps on it these days?
> 
> Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
> Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
> computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why 
> would you want it anyway? 
> The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
> For GPS I use AT&T Navigator, and it works quite well.
> I get a day to a day and a half out of my battery.
> 
> 
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Re: We better keep this going!

[erik burggraaf]

You're kidding me right?  $500-$600 on an Iphone and then $350 for a stream?  
Get out'a here.

Why would I want braille on my phone?  Well because for one thing, I have it 
and use it, and don't want to retire my $6000 braille display just to own an 
iphone and look cool.  It's faster for some things.  It's private. it's quiet.  
It's nice for reading ebooks in braille.  I have it now and like it.  Why would 
I give it up?

Is ATNT navigater limitted to one company?  What will sprint users do or users 
like me in Canada who don't use ATNT?  Can your gps give you complete info at 
the push of a button, upcoming streets, points of interest, custome POI's, 
busstops in locations that support the feature?  Can you make a rout directly 
from your contact manager?  Can you call a poi directly from the gps to get 
more information?

My Windows mobile device does all this, I get nearly tripple the battery life 
out of it.  I can connect a 64 channel receiver for woss quality even in 
overcast or erban canyon, and I can do a lot more but I don't use all the 
features.
Do you need to pay extra for data and gps on this system you're using?  I pay 
nothing.

As far as OCR goes, it would come in handy for little things.  I can't imagine 
snapping a book with it, but if it were fast and high quality enough I might.

The thing is, I know people do want their phone to be a daisy reader and an OCR 
device because they tell me so all the time.  When I'm picking out equipment 
for people, I get them what they need to be independent and productive.  For 
some people that means the IPhone, but not for everybody by a long shot.  No 
braille yet, personally for me that's a deal breaker.  Not for most of my 
clients it isn't though, for them it may be the GPS, or the OCR, or they may 
just want a very cool and highly functional phone.  In that case, the IPhone 
meets the need and off we go.  Of course it's got to support CDMA before it 
will compete with windows mobile here in Canada.  Rogers has made many many 
enemies here with it's nondesclosure, heavy fees and bad contracts.

Best,

erik burggraaf
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Phone: 888-255-5194
Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com

On 2009-12-23, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>> 
>> How about a daisy book reader?
>> 
>> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>> 
>> What are people using for gps on it these days?
> 
> Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
> Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
> computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why 
> would you want it anyway? 
> The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
> For GPS I use AT&T Navigator, and it works quite well.
> I get a day to a day and a half out of my battery.
> 
> 
> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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Re: Mac VO Tandem mode?

[erik burggraaf]

This is possible.

It's not called tandom, But the idea is if you are on some one elses mac you 
can log on to your own mac remotely and do what needs doing.

I'd be really interested in how this works, and I'm sure some one has done a 
tutorial.  

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On 2009-12-23, at 10:55 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> In the Jaws world there is a mode where I can connect my machine to 
> another machine running Jaws and not only control it as far as 
> keystrokes but also hear the audio. Is there a Mac equivalent? It would 
> be nice when somebody else gets stuck on something to be able to just do 
> a VO "tandem" to their Mac and figure out what's going on.
> 
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Re: We better keep this going!

[Scott Howell]

Erik,

First perhaps you should consider that those of us who have an iPhone 
did not purchase the device to be a DAISY player, but if such software were 
made available, that would just be one more thing to make the iPHone even more 
useful. There is a GPS solution on the iPhone and in fact there are several. 
I'm assuming your using something like Geo Mobile? Is there a beast such as 
that for the iPhone? Well that depends on how you look at it. There is no 
product developed for the blind however, Navigon is one solution that does get 
the job done, but not in the same manner as Geo Mobile for example. As far as 
braille, hey no question, I'd love to see that myself and there is nothing that 
says Apple would not implement that capability in a future release. Battery 
life I agree may not be the same as other phones, but perhaps to put that into 
perspective we should do a little hardware comparison and figure out what is 
drawing the battery life down on the phones. Of course keep in mind that 
VOiceOver on the iPhone is very new as compared to Mobile SPeak or Talks and so 
has not matured quite yet. I believe however that Apple will continue to 
develop and improve upon what they have done thus far. Also, there is nothing 
that prevents Code Factory or any other company developing a version of Geo 
Mobile etc. for the iPhone, but of course they wouldn't likely do so since 
their focus is on the Windows Mobile and Symbian platforms. Now I did not pay 
$500 or $600 for my iPhone, but of course I committed to a two-year contract 
and I am paying for both voice and data services. Of course I'd be paying for 
these even on Verizon's or any other carriers network.
There is no right or wrong answer here Erik, merely objective points of 
view. As I've always said, it boils down to what works for you because at the 
end of the day, you  have to pay for the gear and you pay for what will serve 
your needs best.
On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:12 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> You're kidding me right?  $500-$600 on an Iphone and then $350 for a stream?  
> Get out'a here.
> 
> Why would I want braille on my phone?  Well because for one thing, I have it 
> and use it, and don't want to retire my $6000 braille display just to own an 
> iphone and look cool.  It's faster for some things.  It's private. it's 
> quiet.  It's nice for reading ebooks in braille.  I have it now and like it.  
> Why would I give it up?
> 
> Is ATNT navigater limitted to one company?  What will sprint users do or 
> users like me in Canada who don't use ATNT?  Can your gps give you complete 
> info at the push of a button, upcoming streets, points of interest, custome 
> POI's, busstops in locations that support the feature?  Can you make a rout 
> directly from your contact manager?  Can you call a poi directly from the gps 
> to get more information?
> 
> My Windows mobile device does all this, I get nearly tripple the battery life 
> out of it.  I can connect a 64 channel receiver for woss quality even in 
> overcast or erban canyon, and I can do a lot more but I don't use all the 
> features.
> Do you need to pay extra for data and gps on this system you're using?  I pay 
> nothing.
> 
> As far as OCR goes, it would come in handy for little things.  I can't 
> imagine snapping a book with it, but if it were fast and high quality enough 
> I might.
> 
> The thing is, I know people do want their phone to be a daisy reader and an 
> OCR device because they tell me so all the time.  When I'm picking out 
> equipment for people, I get them what they need to be independent and 
> productive.  For some people that means the IPhone, but not for everybody by 
> a long shot.  No braille yet, personally for me that's a deal breaker.  Not 
> for most of my clients it isn't though, for them it may be the GPS, or the 
> OCR, or they may just want a very cool and highly functional phone.  In that 
> case, the IPhone meets the need and off we go.  Of course it's got to support 
> CDMA before it will compete with windows mobile here in Canada.  Rogers has 
> made many many enemies here with it's nondesclosure, heavy fees and bad 
> contracts.
> 
> Best,
> 
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2009-12-23, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>>> 
>>> How about a daisy book reader?
>>> 
>>> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>>> 
>>> What are people using for gps on it these days?
>> 
>> Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
>> Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
>> computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why 
>> would you want it anyway? 
>> The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
>> For GPS I use AT&T Navig

Re: We better keep this going!

[Chris Blouch]

Wouldn't braille support kind of limit the utility of a pcket-sized 
portable device? While text to speech may not be as ideal, it's probably 
a lot easier to haul around.

I haven't tried it but there is Voice of DAISY
http://www.cypac.co.jp/vodi/index.html

There is a GPS built in so the next step is a good accessible mapping 
application. Search on past threads about Navigon and a few others. The 
compass is also quite nice and accessible.

One trick is to turn the screen backlight off. Save a bunch of power. 
Battery life otherwise depends on how you use it. With light use 3 days 
isn't that unusual. Heavy use will put it in the charger daily, 
especially GPS, wifi or GSM use.

CB

erik burggraaf wrote:
> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>
> How about a daisy book reader?
>
> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>
> What are people using for gps on it these days?  Anyone tried paring a hulux 
> m1000 or an IBlue 737 with the thing?
>
> Oh, and hows the battery life?  I can get a good 3 days out of my I-paq.  If 
> the IPhone is ready in all these particulars, I'll buy one in April, but last 
> I heard, the product was still new, and although it works right enough, it 
> doesn't stack up yet.
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2009-12-22, at 4:59 PM, Cody wrote:
>
>   
>> I say quit the bitchin and buy a damn iPhone :p. best damn phone on the 
>> market and also for the price. can't think of anything the iPhone can't do 
>> that any other phone can do and more. now time to put some pants on after a 
>> nice hot shower and get something cold to drnk before heading out.
>>
>> Cody
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: We better keep this going!
>>
>>
>> Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much. Don't get 
>> me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it needs help with.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,, I do 
>>> believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you like the 
>>> iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant is the fact that 
>>> finally now a blind or visually impaired person can now go into a store 
>>> and purchase an accessible product, whether that be a computer, iPhone, or 
>>> iPod, and not have to purchase additional and expensive software makes a 
>>> tremendous difference.
>>> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other offerings 
>>> by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the product to a blind or 
>>> visually impaired user honestly.
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting rampage. 
 I'm personally getting something else, because I don't like the iphone, 
 even if we had service for it where I'm at.
 On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:

 
> Hi folks,
>
> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that, folks, we 
> need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and IPhone going. The 
> more people we have switching, the more inclined Apple will be to 
> continue support and development for Voice OVer.
> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and have 
> it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special software that 
> makes my phone accessible, and explain to people, oh, this is special 
> software that reads aloud what you see on the screen. When I mention to 
> people that I am going to get the IPhone, I feel a great deal of 
> satisfaction that people don't look at me and go, well Jess, youre 
> blind, so how the hell will you be able to use it? It's awesome that I 
> can be treated as an equal. We half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, 
> what we have waited for, hoped for, and longed for, access to something 
> right out of the box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every 
> time I try to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we have 
> the right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that argument 
> that we are to small of a market is always what I get. I'm sorry, but 
> Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I have never agreed with 
> it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
>
>
> Jes
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Re: Mac Troubles Again

[Esther]

Hi Elen and Chris,

Did you check whether you can hear VoiceOver through your headphones?   
One possibility is that you damaged the speaker connection and can  
still get VoiceOver if you plug in headphones. If it's simply a case  
of not hearing sound, you can try resetting the PRAM, since this  
module contains information about initial volume settings and also the  
startup disk selection.  You'll have to reboot your computer and hold  
down the Control, Option, P, and R keys simultaneously as outlined in  
this Apple Support document about resetting your Mac's PRAM:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

Chris, I'm not sure that she has a fully working system to back up,  
since she's talking about connecting the MacBook to another Mac to get  
the files off.   Eleni, here's what I think may work:  get a firewire  
cable and plug it in between your MacBook and the other Mac. (I'm  
assuming that the Desktop Mac has a Firewire port.)  Then, power up  
your MacBook while holding down the "T" key.  This lets you boot up  
into target disk mode.  What happens is that the laptop's hard drive  
shows up as a second drive of the desktop Mac (but probably also named  
"Macintosh HD") under the devices in the sidebar of Finder.  The first  
"Macintosh HD" will be the hard drive for the desktop Mac.  The second  
one (VO-Down arrow) in the sidebar will be the drive of your MacBook.   
You should be able to access the files you want in Finder and copy  
them over to the Desktop Mac or to other hard drives or peripherals  
attached to the Desktop Mac.  I've never had to do this kind of file  
recovery -- usually I have a cloned drive of my laptop to recover  
files from -- but I just tried booting my 5+some years old Powerbook  
up in target disk mode connected to my MacBook.  Basically, you should  
be able to boot your machine in target disk mode to another machine  
under circumstances where you can't get your system to fully boot up  
by itself.  However, I would first try resetting the PRAM since it's  
possible that might fix the boot up and/or VoiceOver speaking problem.

Here's the Apple support document on how to use Target Disk mode:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661

You should have your MacBook connected to AC power if you're going to  
be using it in this mode for any extended period (e.g. for copying  
files).

Finally, I'm puzzled by something you mentioned in one of your earlier  
posts (on converting movies -- something I'm not familiar with)

Tiffany D wrote:
> It's bad enough that this is a large machine and that
> the charger cord is so short it's laughable, but when I can't do my
> work and ordinary things, it really gets on my nerves.
It sounds as though you're not using the extension cord that came with  
your computer.  Each Mac comes with a power adapter whose corner has a  
plug attachment whose prongs (for U.S. power plugs) can simply flip  
down and be plugged into an AC outlet.  That corner piece can also be  
unplugged and the power plug for a different country inserted.   
However, for all the U.S. Macs, there's also an extension plug that  
comes with the power adapter.  That's a heavier cable that ends in a  
three-prong plug and whose other end can be plugged into the corner of  
the power adapter when you pull off the plug attachment.  Aren't you  
using this?  I normally keep this cord plus my Mac power adapter  
unless I want to carry less, or if I don't have any outlets available  
that can accept the third prong.  The extension cord is usually packed  
in with the cables that come with the MacBook.  Assuming that you had  
the same box that I did,  this was in the rectangular bay in the foam  
at the front of the box.  You shouldn't have any problems with the  
cord length if you're using the extension cord.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


Chris Blouch wrote:

> Sounds like you got a dud, which happens on all computers of all  
> brands
> from time to time. Still doesn't make it a pleasant experience. My
> wife's MacBook has been shipped to AppleCare twice now with a dead
> motherboad (the first time) and a dead hard drive (the second time).
> Since I convinced her to switch from her Dell I got to hear about  
> it. Of
> course the Dell had already had its share of failures hardware and
> otherwise so it wasn't a huge armtwist. She does like it when it  
> works.
>
> That said, as far as a backup goes, you could just plug in an external
> hard drive and copy to it anything you care about. Time machine also
> works well and will do an incremental backup every 60 minutes. The UI
> isn't very accessible but if you had to reinstall things there is a  
> step
> in the setup where you can restore from a timeMachine backup, so if
> things really went pear shaped you could at least get your files back.
> The time machine backup is organized so you could go to
> DriveName/ComputerName/Latest/YourDriveName and find everything that  
> it
> backed up from your drive, so you don't have to use the

Re: We better keep this going!

[Chris Blouch]

I'm assuming you $500-$600 price you cite is including the full service 
telco plan since the devices themselves are $199-$299 depending on the 
model you get. In that case it's a bit disingenuous since a stream 
doesn't do phone stuff.

Can you define triple battery life? Triple of what amount?

GPS only provides latitude and longitude, it's the software that 
translates that into maps and POI. Nice thing is that being 'just 
software' means you can choose from a number of packages and over time 
they can improve them with just an update. What is your definition of 
complete POI information? It's hard to answer whether the iPhone does 
what you require without specifics. You can do a route from your 
contacts. Touching the address of a contact launches google maps. From 
there you tap Directions and the Start location is filled in as Current 
Location from the GPS. You could also type in another address to start 
from. Then tap Route and then change the view to list. I haven't bought 
a GPS app yet so I can't give specifics on how the POI stuff works. Last 
I search in the iTunes store there were 7 pages of GPS apps with 172 
items per page. So you can get really specific stuff like the GPS 
navigator for Cedar Point amusement park. You just won't find that scale 
of variety causing such specificity on other platforms.

What is WOSS, not to mention a 64 channel version?

The standard ATT plan for iPhone is unlimited data. Like WiFi or 
Bluetooth, GPS doesn't rely on the telco network unless they need data 
to give you POI or something.

There was a discussion thread on OCR in the past and it seemed that the 
main holdup for a KNFB Reader type app is the somewhat low resolution 
camera. Someday that issue should go away.

One sore point with the iPhone in the states is that AT&T has been 
criticized for poor service quality. Sounds like the FCC is looking into 
cracking down on the exclusive phone/provider deals so maybe this will 
go away in the future. The iPhone takes a standard SIMM card so it's not 
a technical problem and the web is rife with 'jailbreaking' sites. That 
said, different countries have different iPhone providers so it won't be 
AT&T in Canda or Australia, just in the states.

The nice thing that Apple put together in the iPhone is it is a very 
portable very connected generalized compute device with a simple 
consistent way to discover, purchase/download and install apps. A lot of 
other mobile platforms are weak in one of those areas. Not saying the 
iPhone doesn't have some weaknesses, but it seems to have less than most.

CB

erik burggraaf wrote:
> You're kidding me right?  $500-$600 on an Iphone and then $350 for a stream?  
> Get out'a here.
>
> Why would I want braille on my phone?  Well because for one thing, I have it 
> and use it, and don't want to retire my $6000 braille display just to own an 
> iphone and look cool.  It's faster for some things.  It's private. it's 
> quiet.  It's nice for reading ebooks in braille.  I have it now and like it.  
> Why would I give it up?
>
> Is ATNT navigater limitted to one company?  What will sprint users do or 
> users like me in Canada who don't use ATNT?  Can your gps give you complete 
> info at the push of a button, upcoming streets, points of interest, custome 
> POI's, busstops in locations that support the feature?  Can you make a rout 
> directly from your contact manager?  Can you call a poi directly from the gps 
> to get more information?
>
> My Windows mobile device does all this, I get nearly tripple the battery life 
> out of it.  I can connect a 64 channel receiver for woss quality even in 
> overcast or erban canyon, and I can do a lot more but I don't use all the 
> features.
> Do you need to pay extra for data and gps on this system you're using?  I pay 
> nothing.
>
> As far as OCR goes, it would come in handy for little things.  I can't 
> imagine snapping a book with it, but if it were fast and high quality enough 
> I might.
>
> The thing is, I know people do want their phone to be a daisy reader and an 
> OCR device because they tell me so all the time.  When I'm picking out 
> equipment for people, I get them what they need to be independent and 
> productive.  For some people that means the IPhone, but not for everybody by 
> a long shot.  No braille yet, personally for me that's a deal breaker.  Not 
> for most of my clients it isn't though, for them it may be the GPS, or the 
> OCR, or they may just want a very cool and highly functional phone.  In that 
> case, the IPhone meets the need and off we go.  Of course it's got to support 
> CDMA before it will compete with windows mobile here in Canada.  Rogers has 
> made many many enemies here with it's nondesclosure, heavy fees and bad 
> contracts.
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2009-12-23, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>
>   
>> On Dec 23, 200

Re: Mac VO Tandem mode?

[Chris Blouch]

I know there are screen sharing things like VNC but most of them don't 
do audio or have good VO support since they are targeted at visual mouse 
clickers.

CB

erik burggraaf wrote:
> This is possible.
>
> It's not called tandom, But the idea is if you are on some one elses mac you 
> can log on to your own mac remotely and do what needs doing.
>
> I'd be really interested in how this works, and I'm sure some one has done a 
> tutorial.  
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 2009-12-23, at 10:55 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>
>   
>> In the Jaws world there is a mode where I can connect my machine to 
>> another machine running Jaws and not only control it as far as 
>> keystrokes but also hear the audio. Is there a Mac equivalent? It would 
>> be nice when somebody else gets stuck on something to be able to just do 
>> a VO "tandem" to their Mac and figure out what's going on.
>>
>> CB
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Free Online Course on How to Build iPhone Apps

[Esther]

Hello all,

O'Reilly is offering a free online course starting January 5, 2010 on  
how to build iPhone apps with HTML, CSS, and Javascript. For those who  
can't attend the live presentations, or who want to revisit them  
later, they're also offering a package of the class on video with code  
examples and slide presentations for download for $35 (introductory  
price good until February 5, 2010.

Here's the announcement page titled "Love iPhone Apps? Build Your Own!":

http://iphoneapps.oreilly.com/2009/12/love-iphone-apps-build-your-ow.html

It gives an overview and links to a more detailed course description  
page.  Also, for those who are interested, there was a Stanford  
University course on iPhone application programming offered through  
iTunes U.  iTunes Store URL is:

http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.2024353965.02024599579
(Note that there are tabs for both video and pdf materials to download)

Cheers,

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Re: Free Online Course on How to Build iPhone Apps

[Chris Blouch]

Hmm. Note that this is how to build Web Apps, not apps that you could 
download and install through the iPhone store.

CB

Esther wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> O'Reilly is offering a free online course starting January 5, 2010 on  
> how to build iPhone apps with HTML, CSS, and Javascript. For those who  
> can't attend the live presentations, or who want to revisit them  
> later, they're also offering a package of the class on video with code  
> examples and slide presentations for download for $35 (introductory  
> price good until February 5, 2010.
>
> Here's the announcement page titled "Love iPhone Apps? Build Your Own!":
>
> http://iphoneapps.oreilly.com/2009/12/love-iphone-apps-build-your-ow.html
>
> It gives an overview and links to a more detailed course description  
> page.  Also, for those who are interested, there was a Stanford  
> University course on iPhone application programming offered through  
> iTunes U.  iTunes Store URL is:
>
> http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/Core.woa/Browse/itunes.stanford.edu.2024353965.02024599579
> (Note that there are tabs for both video and pdf materials to download)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
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Re: Sip CLients for the Mac

[Chris Blouch]

Have you tried any of the various OSX SIP Clients?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmo5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SightSpeed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xlite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIP_Communicator
http://osxdaily.com/2007/02/23/sjphone-a-sip-client-for-the-mac/

CB

Scott Howell wrote:
> FOlks,
>
> Can someone recommend a Sip client that is VO friendly? Preferably a sip 
> client that does HD audio.
>
> Thanks,
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Safari is making me crazy!

[Howard Dupuis]

There is much in The Washington Post that I'd care to read, but Safari
repeatedly crashes when I click on various links throughout the day.
Not always, but often. And nearly always when I try to access
something from WaPo e-mail newsletters I subscribe to. I'm assuming --
perhaps not correctly -- that this is a VoiceOver issue. Any
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Re: We better keep this going!

[Ryan Mann]

One reason for wanting braille is if the person is both blind and deaf.

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:

> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>> 
>> How about a daisy book reader?
>> 
>> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>> 
>> What are people using for gps on it these days?
> 
> Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
> Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
> computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why 
> would you want it anyway? 
> The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
> For GPS I use AT&T Navigator, and it works quite well.
> I get a day to a day and a half out of my battery.
> 
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Re: We better keep this going!

[Maurice Mines]

write on brother I am dea-blind and I mis my pm 20 braille desplay thatis back 
home on my imac all of the best and may all have a grate 2010 maurice ham call 
kd0iko.   
On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Ryan Mann wrote:

> One reason for wanting braille is if the person is both blind and deaf.
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:01 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>> 
>>> Do we have braille support on the IPhone then?
>>> 
>>> How about a daisy book reader?
>>> 
>>> Is there a good OCR package yet?
>>> 
>>> What are people using for gps on it these days?
>> 
>> Why do we need a Daisy reader on the iPhone.  If you want that, buy a Victor 
>> Stream.  We don't need braille support either! If I want OCR, I'll use my 
>> computer.  The only OCR on a phone is the one that runs on Symbian.  Why 
>> would you want it anyway? 
>> The iPhone has a built-in GPS receiver, so no external one is needed.
>> For GPS I use AT&T Navigator, and it works quite well.
>> I get a day to a day and a half out of my battery.
>> 
>> 
>> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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Re: Safari is making me crazy!

[Esther]

Hi Howard,

Why don't you try using the Washington Post Mobile site on your  
iPhone?  All you have to do is type in "washingtonpost.com" in the  
address bar of Safari.  Then use the "Utilities" button to save to  
your home screen?  I did this for a while as an alternate way to get  
to the New York Times mobile page when the NY Times app became  
temporarily inaccessible.  (Actually, I rolled back to the old version  
of the app, but I had both alternatives on the screen.)  Maybe this  
would work better for you?   A friend of mine prefers the Mobile site  
to the NY Times app.

Cheers,

Esther

Howard Dupuis wrote:

> There is much in The Washington Post that I'd care to read, but Safari
> repeatedly crashes when I click on various links throughout the day.
> Not always, but often. And nearly always when I try to access
> something from WaPo e-mail newsletters I subscribe to. I'm assuming --
> perhaps not correctly -- that this is a VoiceOver issue. Any
> suggestions? Any alternatives? Thanks.
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Re: Sip CLients for the Mac

[Scott Howell]

Yes I sure did thanks. THe problem was most either were not accessible without 
a lot of work in terms of labeling buttons etc and toolbars that could not be 
accessed to some that just crashed. I did find one developed by Google call 
simply Telephone and it has promise as an open source project. So, it needs 
some work, but there is code available and with the right help, could be a real 
viable solution.

Thanks,
On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Have you tried any of the various OSX SIP Clients?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmo5
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SightSpeed
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xlite
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIP_Communicator
> http://osxdaily.com/2007/02/23/sjphone-a-sip-client-for-the-mac/
> 
> CB
> 
> Scott Howell wrote:
>> FOlks,
>> 
>> Can someone recommend a Sip client that is VO friendly? Preferably a sip 
>> client that does HD audio.
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: Mac Troubles Again

[Tiffany D]

My external hard drive stopped working and nothing at all was done to
it to cause it to break.  I'm getting a compact flash card or two with
a usb reader for the desktops, netbook etc. and a pcmcia
adapter/reader for the laptops and Braille Note.  I feel alot more
secure with those.  I just want to make sure that it's DOS and
Windows-compatible first.  I only use about 20gb on any given machine
and that's giving myself several gigs of extra space, so I don't need
a huge drive/card.  The other Mac is also a Macbook, so it does have
the port.  Opa!  I like this idea.  I'll try it if nothing else works.
 In the meantime, I've also heard that I can insert the first Leopard
disk and hit c or d and that might get it to work.  I'll have to see.
Assuming that I can get VoiceOver working, I know I can get some usb
sticks to use temporarily so I can retrieve my info and put it on my
XP machine.  I'll have to check my Mac bag now.  I no longer have the
original box, so hopefully, I put it in the bag.  I never even
realised it came with an extention cord.  I'm used to the cords on
laptops being a decent length so one of these isn't necessary, but
it'll certainly make my life easier.

On 23/12/2009, Esther  wrote:
> Hi Elen and Chris,
>
> Did you check whether you can hear VoiceOver through your headphones?
> One possibility is that you damaged the speaker connection and can
> still get VoiceOver if you plug in headphones. If it's simply a case
> of not hearing sound, you can try resetting the PRAM, since this
> module contains information about initial volume settings and also the
> startup disk selection.  You'll have to reboot your computer and hold
> down the Control, Option, P, and R keys simultaneously as outlined in
> this Apple Support document about resetting your Mac's PRAM:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379
>
> Chris, I'm not sure that she has a fully working system to back up,
> since she's talking about connecting the MacBook to another Mac to get
> the files off.   Eleni, here's what I think may work:  get a firewire
> cable and plug it in between your MacBook and the other Mac. (I'm
> assuming that the Desktop Mac has a Firewire port.)  Then, power up
> your MacBook while holding down the "T" key.  This lets you boot up
> into target disk mode.  What happens is that the laptop's hard drive
> shows up as a second drive of the desktop Mac (but probably also named
> "Macintosh HD") under the devices in the sidebar of Finder.  The first
> "Macintosh HD" will be the hard drive for the desktop Mac.  The second
> one (VO-Down arrow) in the sidebar will be the drive of your MacBook.
> You should be able to access the files you want in Finder and copy
> them over to the Desktop Mac or to other hard drives or peripherals
> attached to the Desktop Mac.  I've never had to do this kind of file
> recovery -- usually I have a cloned drive of my laptop to recover
> files from -- but I just tried booting my 5+some years old Powerbook
> up in target disk mode connected to my MacBook.  Basically, you should
> be able to boot your machine in target disk mode to another machine
> under circumstances where you can't get your system to fully boot up
> by itself.  However, I would first try resetting the PRAM since it's
> possible that might fix the boot up and/or VoiceOver speaking problem.
>
> Here's the Apple support document on how to use Target Disk mode:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1661
>
> You should have your MacBook connected to AC power if you're going to
> be using it in this mode for any extended period (e.g. for copying
> files).
>
> Finally, I'm puzzled by something you mentioned in one of your earlier
> posts (on converting movies -- something I'm not familiar with)
>
> Tiffany D wrote:
>> It's bad enough that this is a large machine and that
>> the charger cord is so short it's laughable, but when I can't do my
>> work and ordinary things, it really gets on my nerves.
> It sounds as though you're not using the extension cord that came with
> your computer.  Each Mac comes with a power adapter whose corner has a
> plug attachment whose prongs (for U.S. power plugs) can simply flip
> down and be plugged into an AC outlet.  That corner piece can also be
> unplugged and the power plug for a different country inserted.
> However, for all the U.S. Macs, there's also an extension plug that
> comes with the power adapter.  That's a heavier cable that ends in a
> three-prong plug and whose other end can be plugged into the corner of
> the power adapter when you pull off the plug attachment.  Aren't you
> using this?  I normally keep this cord plus my Mac power adapter
> unless I want to carry less, or if I don't have any outlets available
> that can accept the third prong.  The extension cord is usually packed
> in with the cables that come with the MacBook.  Assuming that you had
> the same box that I did,  this was in the rectangular bay in the foam
> at the front of the box.  You shouldn't have any problems wit

Re: webkit

[Chris Blouch]

Sort of the other way around. Webkit is the engine and uses the same 
user interface as Safari.

CB

Portia wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recommend downloading the nightly builds of Webkit, as they have bug fixes
> and stuff like that. From what I was told, Webkit uses the same browser
> engine as Safari.
>
> Hth,
>
> Portia.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: anouk radix [mailto:anou...@home.nl] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:01 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: webkit
>
> Hello, I just downloaded webkit because I am getting sick of the slowness of
> safari. I thought webkit was only the underlying framework of safari. Or is
> it identical in functionality?
> Also, if I want to upgrade it doI have to download the nightly builds
> manually or can software update do it?
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Help with network

[Chris Blouch]

Sounds like you want to mount a network drive on your mac that is being 
served from a PC. I do that fairly often but you'll need some key bits 
of info. First a lot of Windows folks just refer to the K drive or 
whatever letter their admin set up to automount a network drive to. That 
letter doesn't help you any. What you need is the DNS name of the 
machine. It should be something like

bigserver.office.mycorp.com

To connect, form the finder do Apple-K for Connect to server. The 
protocol user is SMB so the Server Address would be

smb://bigserver.office.mycorp.com

and then hit the Connect button.

After that it should prompt you for your windows domain username and 
password.

Next it will give you a list of file shares you have access to. Pick the 
one you want and it should show up on your desktop just like any other 
disk drive. Note that you can specify the share as part of the URL this way:

smb://bigserver/office.mycorp.com/accounting/

which saves a step. Hope this helps.

CB

blind Treasures wrote:
> HI, I'm trying to incorporate my Imac into an existing network so that I can
> access files off the network. I have tried everything I can think of but can
> not seem to get access to the other computers drives which are shared
> drives. The other computers are window based computers and this will be the
> only Mac in the network. The window computers have no problems accessing
> each others file and folders. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Since I already talked to apples tech people and they couldn't help me, I'm
> hoping there is someone smarter than them on the list. 
>
> Tony 
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Re: Mac Troubles Again

[Esther]

Hi Eleni,

Yes, you can use your the first of your Leopard Startup disks to book  
up your system if you hold down the "c" key when it starts up.  I  
thought that was what you were trying to do when you said you inserted  
the Leopard installation disk and the machine made a strange sound  
like a buzzing, but didn't do anything else.  That will let you boot  
up from the CD or DVD instead of your hard drive. You can also use  
disk utility to repair permissions.  I think that after you boot from  
the install disk, you listen until the disk stops spinning and then  
use VO-F5 (or VO-Fn-F5) to start up speech.  Then you VO-M to the menu  
bar and arrow over to Disk Utilities and press enter. Then you can  
select your hard drive and repair permissions, in case things were  
left in an odd state by your shutdown.  Somebody else may be able to  
walk you through this because it's been a long time since I did a boot  
from startup disks. See whether your machine boots up normally after  
your repair permissions.  You may have to select your startup disk as  
your hard drive before you reboot.

Anne gave some nice instructions about how to reset the PRAM in the  
archives that give more details than my description:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08901.html

You still might have to reset the PRAM if you get no sound whatsoever  
(from speakers or headphones).

Target disk mode should work even in some circumstances where you  
can't manage to boot your MacBook up -- it can still get recognized as  
a temporary hard drive of the other Mac to which you connect via  
Firewire.  Make sure you eject the drive (Command-E) from the other  
Computer before you power your MacBook down again.

That's most of what I can think of, since I may be off for a bit.  On  
the extension cords to the power adapters, the idea is to give you the  
flexibility to either carry the brick with the shorter cable (for  
compactness) or the combination with longer (and thicker therefore  
heavier) extension cable.   At home, I leave the extension cord  
plugged in to the power adapter.  I don't think that Apple sells the  
extension cable separately, although they include it with every power  
adapter you buy.  I know they include it in the AirPort Express Stereo  
Connection Kit along with the cables that can connect to your stereo  
system, but that's still something like $40.

Here's a site that sells the extension cords separately for $14.77  
(from a Google search):
http://www.mac-pro.com/Extension-Cord-PB-G4-iBook-AC-Adapter

Although it's listed as for a G4 PowerBook, they not that it will work  
for a MacBook. (And I use the extension cords for my old PowerBook and  
my MacBook interchangeably).

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Tiffany D wrote:

> My external hard drive stopped working and nothing at all was done to
> it to cause it to break.  I'm getting a compact flash card or two with
> a usb reader for the desktops, netbook etc. and a pcmcia
> adapter/reader for the laptops and Braille Note.  I feel alot more
> secure with those.  I just want to make sure that it's DOS and
> Windows-compatible first.  I only use about 20gb on any given machine
> and that's giving myself several gigs of extra space, so I don't need
> a huge drive/card.  The other Mac is also a Macbook, so it does have
> the port.  Opa!  I like this idea.  I'll try it if nothing else works.
> In the meantime, I've also heard that I can insert the first Leopard
> disk and hit c or d and that might get it to work.  I'll have to see.
> Assuming that I can get VoiceOver working, I know I can get some usb
> sticks to use temporarily so I can retrieve my info and put it on my
> XP machine.  I'll have to check my Mac bag now.  I no longer have the
> original box, so hopefully, I put it in the bag.  I never even
> realised it came with an extention cord.  I'm used to the cords on
> laptops being a decent length so one of these isn't necessary, but
> it'll certainly make my life easier.
>
> Esther wrote:
>> Hi Elen and Chris,
>>
>> Did you check whether you can hear VoiceOver through your headphones?
>> One possibility is that you damaged the speaker connection and can
>> still get VoiceOver if you plug in headphones. If it's simply a case
>> of not hearing sound, you can try resetting the PRAM, since this
>> module contains information about initial volume settings and also  
>> the
>> startup disk selection.  You'll have to reboot your computer and hold
>> down the Control, Option, P, and R keys simultaneously as outlined in
>> this Apple Support document about resetting your Mac's PRAM:
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379
>>
>> Chris, I'm not sure that she has a fully working system to back up,
>> since she's talking about connecting the MacBook to another Mac to  
>> get
>> the files off.   Eleni, here's what I think may work:  get a firewire
>> cable and plug it in between your MacBook and the other Mac. (I'm
>> assuming that the Desktop M

Re: converting tv to video?

[Chris Blouch]

Here's one that sounded good for $100

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/Home+Video/Studio+Family/Video+Capture+for+Mac.htm

The USB stick has a video encoder in it so your Mac is free to do other 
things.

CB

bmustillrose wrote:
> What your after is a usb or firewire capture card. This will do what
> you want, but I'm not sure about what ones work well under osx or not
> - on the pc end, haupauge are pretty good.
>
> On 15/12/2009, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>   
>> OSX will recognize a number of video input devices so if you get one it
>> likes then you can use it with any number of apps, including iChat or
>> Skype. I haven't tried it recently but somewhere I have a box that was
>> ntsc or s-video input and firewire output which the Mac would recognize.
>> From there I could pull video into iChat, iMovie or the like to convert
>> old analog sources like VHS. This was years ago so I don't know if they
>> even make the box anymore. Ahh, here it is in a review from 1999:
>>
>> http://www.insanely-great.com/reviews/da1.html
>>
>> Today you can probably do the same thing by piping your analog source
>> into a basic firewire video camera. Probably some similar USB2 cameras
>> which do the same thing out there as well.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> joe quinn wrote:
>> 
>>> maybe the subject's wrong, but, I've got a device for my windows
>>> machine that will allow me to connect a video source to it, then
>>> broadcast that source over Skype or msn or some such as if it was a
>>> webcam... anyone know of nay device for the Mac that will work?
>>>
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Re: Linux was Re: We better keep this going!

[Cara Quinn]

  Okay All, as some have said here, this is really getting OT. As well, many 
here are missing the point. 

  I believe that many here are so entrenched in the status quo of 
disability-specific 'after thought' style solutions that the gist of the 
original post is being completely missed. 

  It's not whether one can have access to a system if they first do A, B and C, 
and then jump through hoop D to make E happen, it's whether one can simply 
approach a device, pick it up, and use it. That's it! -Nothing more… This is 
not about whether something 'can be made accessible' it's about whether 
something 'is' accessible. This is the concept of universal access. 

  Sure, any one of us is creative enough when we need to be, to either find a 
way to get something to behave the way we need it to, or to ask for help when 
it's appropriate, but the point is that this isn't the way things need to work 
in a more inclusive model of the world. 

  Apple is currently the only mainstream manufacturer of computers, cell phones 
and music players that is working from this premise, thus the idea that Apple 
should be commended. -And they absolutely should be!… 

  So, in light of this, rather than trying to emphasize that other 
-after-market- solutions exist, (which we all already know) might we simply 
discuss the concept itself, of universal access. 

  Apple is doing it. Who else is? -Is anyone else? -Should they be? -Why or why 
not?… 

  There are very good reasons here for recommending Apple products to people. 
-There are also other reasons why some may not want Apple products. However, 
the point here, is simply universal access. Would people recommend a product 
(no matter the manufacturer) which is born of this ideal?…

Thanks for reading, All, and happiest of holidays to you and yours!!!…

Smiles,

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On Dec 23, 2009, at 6:37 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hi, You wrote:
"I believe that in order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any* 
computer, whether it be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a 
portable linux reader doesn't currently exist to my knowledge."

Well actually , ubuntoo and it's flavours talk out of the box, so if you had to 
work on a linux machine you might be OK.  The other thing is, you can install 
linux on a flash drive.  So, if you had to work on linux machines, you could 
build your own very lite install with the gui and speech and your favourite 
tools for diagnosiing system failures.  You could then boot off the flash 
drive, get speech, and run tests, recover data, repair system files, and 
perform updates on the base system even if it were something other than ubuntoo.

Best,


erik burggraaf
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On 2009-12-22, at 5:50 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

> Again, vo is great. Everyone is making reasons why it is good, which wasn't 
> the point in what I said. All I'm saying is the fact that the mac would work 
> from the store I bought it on doesn't mean much as I didn't even buy it from 
> a store. Yes, it is great. I love the built-in screen reader support, but it 
> seems we go over how amazing it is at least once or twice a week when someone 
> else is converted. I love it's stability and security over windows. But the 
> fact that I have to install a program really doesn't irc me all to much. It 
> is a bit hard, but with things like NVDA I can walk up to a windows system 
> and pop in a USB key and be read to roll. Sure it doesn't support everything, 
> but it supports quite a bit to make it worth using. I do tech support and 
> computer repair around the town I live in, and I've used this solution 
> coupled with narrator many times to get me up and running on a system I'm 
> fixing. Along with a set of programs I built for troubleshooting and cleaning 
> up viruses and such, NVDA is amazing. Sadly though more and more people are 
> buying macs, it's not a huge chunk of the market to the point where I can 
> just walk to any computer and more than likely it'll be a mac. While there 
> are macs out there, the whole "I can go anywhere and use it," doesn't exactly 
> work, because there really aren't to many floating around. I believe that in 
> order to be productive, we need to be able to use *any* computer, whether it 
> be windows or mac, and even a linux system, though a portable linux reader 
> doesn't currently exist to my knowledge.
> 
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> One other nice thing with VO is it draws a box on the screen to show where 
>> focus is which helps a lot when collaborating with folks who can see the 
>> screen. Jaws doesn't do this so when working together it can be hard to tell 
>> where the Jaws user is on a page. No such problem with VO and you could even 
>> pull up the caption panel t

Re: preview gone?

[Chris Blouch]

Maybe this is fixed now but I was unable to reproduce. Once I found the 
table of tracks, the first column was a preview button which I was able 
to activate with VO-Space.

CB

Scott Howell wrote:
> This issue will be addressed I'm sure. There has been a change that occurred 
> sometime in the last week or two. My wife and I spent a lot of time this 
> morning working on this issue and I've also been in touch with the folks at 
> the iTunes store. I have provided additional information concerning this 
> issue and I'm sure some action will be taken sooner than later. I'll keep you 
> all posted with any results or when a fix is made to the store. Luckily this 
> is a change they can make without the software being updated and can be done 
> fairly quickly.
> As a quit fix, if you click on the number, it seems a button appears below 
> the number and that can then be clicked to execute playing of the sample. I 
> can't swear this will always work or exactly if it works in all cases, but 
> seems you have to wait a few seconds after clicking on the track number.
> The clicking on the track number will result in a ding tone of course 
> indicating nothing happen. So, again, don't know what to tell you, but seems 
> to work.
>
> On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Matt Roberts wrote:
>
>   
>> On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:28 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> i can't find a way to preview songs anymore now in itunes store?
>>>   
>> The best way to preview music is on the iPod or iPhone itself.  You may be 
>> able to get the preview to work on he computer, if you use mouse navigation.
>>
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Re: batch convert

[Chris Blouch]

Once you've got them in iTunes, if you have your encoding preferences 
set to mp3 at whatever bitrate you want, you should be able to select 
all the ogg tracks and then choose Create MP3 Version from the Advanced 
menu. There were posts on this list in the past on how to get iTunes to 
play ogg files.

CB

william lomas wrote:
> hi is there a way i can convert a bunch of ogg files into mp3  
> keeping the same quality etc?
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Re: Media Player

[Chris Blouch]

With Flip4Mac you should be able to view embedded WindowsMedia unless it 
has DRM. Microsoft has not released any specs on their DRM so only they 
can implement it and they have not implemented it for the Mac. Not much 
anybody can do about that. I did poke at the site but the only video I 
found was Flash. Everything else seemed to require an account to try it out.

CB

Lynn Schneider wrote:
> Hi Matt.  I use VLC and have also installed something called Flip For Mac 
> which is supposed to play Windows Media files, although I have not been able 
> to get it to work for hurricanecity.com.  It says I don't have some sort of 
> mime plugin and I don't know where to get it.  Windows Media files have been 
> my biggest challenge on the Mac.
> On Dec 6, 2009, at 6:26 PM, Matt Roberts wrote:
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>> What media players are people using on the Mac? I'm interested in Windows 
>> Media, and MP3 files.  Other file formats would be great as well
>> Matt Roberts n9gmr...@gmail.com
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Re: Question: how to convert from Mac Word processor into LaTex?

[Chris Blouch]

Might try this for Windows:

http://www.grindeq.com/word2latex.htm

If they are using MathType it appears to output Latex

http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype_mac/default.htm

There is some hackery here to do the Word to LaTeX conversion:

http://www.uoregon.edu/~noeckel/WordToLaTeX.html

CB

James & Nash wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>  
>  
> LaTeX is crossplatform, so once you learn how it works on one 
> operating system, you'll be fine on any other.
>  
> The only way I've found to turn a word processed document into a LaTeX 
> one is to copy the file to a text editor i.e. TextEdit and then add 
> the LaTex syntax etc stripping out all the word processed stuff such 
> as quotation marks if you are using text and elipcies to name just two 
> things. LaTeX has a special way of writing these correctly which 
> retains formatting and spacing.
>  
> Unfortunately, I cannot help you with your specific Math problem as 
> i have only used LaTeX for text-based work.
>  
> HTH
> TC
>  
> James  
>  
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Daniel K. Gartmann 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:07 PM
> *Subject:* Question: how to convert from Mac Word processor into
> LaTex?
>
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Since there seem to be some LaTex experts on this list, I thought
> I would ask this question here:
>  
> How do you convert a word processor document with math equations
> into laTex?
>  
> I need to come up with a solution to this problem both on the Mac
> and on the PC, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Best regards
>  
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Re: New macbook pro

[Chris Blouch]

Found some instructions here:

http://www.lancelhoff.com/switching-video-cards-macbook-pro/

CB

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> Hi folks, how does one switch videocards in the pro?
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Re: New macbook pro

[Kaare Dehard]

Thanks, got it sorted, it was a matter of looking in an unexpected place. You 
have to change them in the energy saver prefs something I never thought of.
On 2009-12-23, at 5:03 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Found some instructions here:
> 
> http://www.lancelhoff.com/switching-video-cards-macbook-pro/
> 
> CB
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disk utility and image creation problem

[John J Herzog]

Hi listers, 
I have a problem with the disk utility, and I was hoping to get some 
assistance. Long story short, I want to make images of some old program CDS I 
have in my collection. These disks date back to the nineties and are no longer 
sold. I want to make images I can use for my windows XP virtual machine and 
back up on my external hard drive 
Here is the problem however. These disks  were also designed to work with the 
old macintosh OS. So, when I put these disks in under fusion, I see the windows 
files and read me instructions. However, when I mount the disk to my macintosh 
desktop, I see the old classic mac applications on the disk: the windows 
program files are nowhere to be found. The second problem is that, after making 
an image from the disk in disk utility, and trying to mount it to my windows 
VM, I get the following error message. This disk is unreadable by windows. The 
disk may be corrupt, or is in a format not readable by windows. However, when I 
try to mount the image in finder, it shows up fine. I can still see the read me 
files, albeit for installing the game to the old mac system 7.1, and not 
windows. I'm guessing that the disk utility is only reading the macintosh 
portion of the games, and is making images of those while leaving the windows 
stuff behind. 
My question is this. How can I make an ISO of the entire disk, including the 
windows contents that I can't even see from my mac? Is this even possible? 
These disks are getting old, and I want to digitize/save them onto my hard 
drive for safe keeping. 

I hope this makes sense, and that someone else has faced a similar problem. 

Thanks,

John 

P.S. As a funny afternote, the minimum requirements for running these games on 
the mac side is 14 MB of ram and quicktime version 2.5. lol. 

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Re: To Djay 3 users out there - a question

[Yuma Antoine Decaux]

Hi Christer,

You have to turn VO off in order to get the shortcuts working as you will 
probably want to hear the music without hearing VO constantly saying what you 
are doing while mixing.
You can first make a playlist which you then assign to both turntables, then 
play the tracks. In order to pre-cue, you'll need a usb headphone connection, 
and assign it to the pre-cue list channel.

This is a very good app, and the guys at algoriddim have been going back and 
forth with me as per the scratching issue.

You can also assign applescripts to various multi track gestures for any quick 
functions you may want.

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how to make ISO files of a hybrid cd?

[John J Herzog]

Hi listers, 
I was interested by my odd disk utility problem, and have done research. It 
turns out that the cd shows different things on the PC versus the mac because 
it is a hybrid. The concept of a hybrid is that it shows only the files 
appropriate to ones operating system. The others for different operating 
systems, such as windows, are not readable by the machine. This leads me to a 
more educated question than what I asked previously. 
Is there a way to make an ISO image of a hybrid cd on a mac? Disk utility does 
not work, because it does not see all the files and hence only makes a mac 
compatible version of the cd. I need this to work for my windows virtual 
machine, as the modern macs have no chance of running this program cd. If 
anybody knows how to convert a hybrid cd into a proper digital ISO file, please 
let me know. 
John 

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Re: how to make ISO files of a hybrid cd?

[Chris Blouch]

Not sure this is really needed much anymore. While it does simplify 
installer CDs for commercial apps, for everyone else it's probably a lot 
of hassle for little benefit. That said, back in the day when I worked 
for a digital production studio the only way we could master CDs as you 
describe was with Toast. There was some slightly convoluted process to 
say which things showed up on the Windows side, Mac side and shared 
between both. By default the Mac DiskUtility or burning a CD from your 
desktop will show all files to both platforms but that means it can be 
easily used on non-Mac computers. With so much cross platform these days 
I'm not sure it's worth the effort/expense to do a true hybrid for most 
cases.

As far as duplicating an existing hybrid CD I believe Toast also would 
create a 'master' image of such a CD and then allow you to burn copies 
from this master. While other products may handle these kind of edge 
cases as well I know Toast in the past did all this but haven't had the 
need for it recently.

CB

John J Herzog wrote:
> Hi listers, 
> I was interested by my odd disk utility problem, and have done research. It 
> turns out that the cd shows different things on the PC versus the mac because 
> it is a hybrid. The concept of a hybrid is that it shows only the files 
> appropriate to ones operating system. The others for different operating 
> systems, such as windows, are not readable by the machine. This leads me to a 
> more educated question than what I asked previously. 
> Is there a way to make an ISO image of a hybrid cd on a mac? Disk utility 
> does not work, because it does not see all the files and hence only makes a 
> mac compatible version of the cd. I need this to work for my windows virtual 
> machine, as the modern macs have no chance of running this program cd. If 
> anybody knows how to convert a hybrid cd into a proper digital ISO file, 
> please let me know. 
> John 
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