trackpad application for iphone and IPod
hi use your iphone and ipod touch as your trackpad for your mac Edovia today is proud to announce TouchPad 1.0, its 7th app for iPhone and iPod touch. TouchPad is a remote trackpad and keyboard package that lets you control any Mac remotely. Use your iPhone or your iPod touch to remotely control you computer through WiFi. With TouchPads intuitive use, youll feel right at home if you have already used a track pad on a MacBook. Its almost like having a micro laptop in your hands. more info at http://www.scribd.com/doc/18541087/Edovia-Introduces-TouchPad-10-for-iPhone-and-iPod-Touch --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braille tables for other languages
hi ann,
some time ago you wrote me that you can try to make the braille tables
for italian language, but you needed the files. finally my friend
found them for me , and i am able to send you the table we use with
italian displays.
the file is in txt, and is the current one to use with jaws. i tried
mac with the pack mate and it sees it but the braille is not so good.
can you still make them? and how can i use them ?
i would apreciate your replay very much.
best regards and thank you in advance.
rossy koumanova
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Re: media event
10 AM I think californian time though not sure On 8 Sep 2009, at 03:48, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know the time of the event? I'd love a live stream as > well. > > Best, > Anna > > > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote: > >> You might try live.twit.tv around the time of the event. >> >>> From: lomaswill...@googlemail.com >>> Subject: media event >>> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:53:37 +0100 >>> To: disc...@macvisionaries.com >>> >>> >>> hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? >>> Will >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: applescript idea
or you can just do the voice switcher on the fly to go to your french voice, that's what I do On 7 Sep 2009, at 23:58, Justin Harford wrote: > > That would be neat. > > J > On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I was just hacing a milkshake and thought of a possible script to >> help >> polyglotts in this list? >> >> I believe this should be possible, bbut since i am not acquainted >> enough with applescript, please those of you who know some or are >> veterans, give me some pointers :) >> >> Basically, i always have the voice over menu open for switching >> languages, and though it's not that many manipulations away, i wish >> there is something more fluid and streamlined, sort of slick in its >> behavior. >> >> This could apply to safari, mail, and perhaps at a later date, >> documents. >> >> SO, if there are variables that can specify a language, either in an >> html body, it's address quote country suffixe? unquote or checking >> redundant words and common nouns in the subject line of a mail, the >> applescript would switch automatically to the given language. >> >> Now is this possible? getting handlers to pre-process document >> contents to see if it is in a given language could be done right? >> >> I have the applescript documentation, but since this list is about >> communicating, and i like to brainstorm before really engaging in any >> type of project :) i wanted your advice, opinion and comment. >> >> Thanks for reading, and best >> >> Yuma >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Donna, yes, it is a rather laborious process unless your ring-tone starts at the beginning of the song. Don't know of any other way of doing it. The remember position checkbox doesn't help so I wouldn't bother with it. Best wishes, Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 02:04, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > Thanks so much for the help. I just want to make sure I > understand. Is what you're saying that I need to set the start and > stop positions, and then see what fragment of the song I end up > with? I can see the total length of the song, so could make an > approximate guess, but that seems like the hard way to do this. > > Also, should I have the " Remember playback position" checked? I > checked it, but it doesn't seem to have helped. > Thanks, > Donna > > -Original Message- > From: Simon Cavendish > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:45 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: creating ringtones > > > Donna, > > I've only done it a few times so I may not remember but the trick is - > according to the steps I sent you - to go to the "get info" menu with > command+i and then set the begin" and 'end" times of your ring-tone. > It takes a bit of experimenting but once you set the begin and end > points, it can be done well. As far as I can remember you have to > check the start point position and - unless it is different from the > very beginning point - you need to type in a value in seconds, and > then set the end position. I remember having to go backwards and > forwards setting various values to get the ring-tone I want. The ring- > tone mustn't be longer than 40 seconds. > > Hope this helps, Donna. I've no time to try and do it myself at the > moment. But when I played with the instructions I had sent you, they > were pretty good. > > Let me know how you are getting on. > > With best wishes, Simon > On 7 Sep 2009, at 18:15, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> >> Hi Simnon and all, >> >> Is there some way to get your playback position once you've gotten to >> the point in the song where you want to start the ringtone? >> TIA, >> Donna >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on >>> viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. >>> >>> first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't purchased >>> from the itunes store. >>> step by step instructions >>> 1. open itunes >>> 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it >>> with your vo cursor. >>> 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. >>> 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know >>> where >>> you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] >>> once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. >>> 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a >>> duplicate of your selected song. >>> 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your >>> original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, >>> you >>> will know it's the original because the time is still the original >>> length. Now you should get info again on the original track, >>> ensuring >>> the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked >>> previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. >>> 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your >>> ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and >>> delete >>> the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following >>> steps will not work] >>> 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you >>> need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to >>> the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. >>> 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new >>> ringtone on the desktop and import it. >>> 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. >>> 13. sync your iphone. >>> >>> >>> On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >>> Hi Donna, What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy it to a separate file, save that file in AAC format, and change the extension from M4A to M4R. I think Amadeus Pro might be able to save as a ringtone, so you wouldn't need to make the extension change. HTH, Anna > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Skype and Voice Over.
Hello William, By the way, I am cross-posting this reply to the iPhone users list for any who may either know the answer or who may be interested in the topic. I presume you are asking the name of the iPhone/iPod Touch software that one must get from the iTunes Store in order to use the afore mentioned devices as a multi touch track pad with a Macintosh computer that does not have a built-in multi touch track pad. Well, I asked the people at the Apple Store the name of the iTunes application and they did not know it but said that it was definitely in iTunes. To be honest, as my one and only Mac has a built-in multi touch track pad, I have not searched for the required software. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. what is the software called? On 8 Sep 2009, at 07:50, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > Thank you for asking. > > Well, I am absolutely loving it. I feel as though entire new > "Vistas" (get > it?) have been opened up for me. > > The interaction between VoiceOver/Snow Leopard and Jaws/Windows is so > different. > > While I have never driven a car, based on what I have heard from > people over > the years, VO is more like a stick-shift while Jaws is more like an > automatic. People who prefer stick-shifts like it because they have > more > control over the car and are forced to interact with the car. I > feel the > same way about VoiceOver and I love it. > > As I told Cara the other day, I have gotten a lot of flack from > Windows > people who feel I have abandoned the cause. Nothing could be > further from > the truth; to me, I have merely expanded my proverbial horizons. > > While I am still taking baby steps, I am confident that Apple and > Candle > Shore will swim in the same ocean from now on. (Smile) > > By the way, I purchased a La Ci rugged portable 500GB Fire Wire > drive for > making backups and such. This is quite an impressive device, to say > the > least. > > Also, as I was out and about for extended periods of time this Labor > Day > weekend, I took my MacBook Pro along and I am happy to say that the > Verizon > Wireless USB Air Card functioned perfectly. The quality of this > notebook is > beyond belief. And, I still smile every time I use the Track Pad to > engage > the computer with iPhone VoiceOver command gestures. > > Oh, when I was in the Apple Store last week, I was told that one can > use > either the iPhone 3GS or the iPod Touch as a Track Pad interface > with the > Macs. Have you attempted this? I am told the software needed to > accomplish > this is already in the iTunes Store. > > > One more thing, even though I am happy with the V M Ware Virtual > Machine > running Windows 7, I am toying with the idea of installing windows 7 > via > Boot Camp, again. I think I have a solution for the audio problem. > By the > way, the audio problem I experienced seems to be specific to the > MacBook > Pro. Of course, as windows 7 has not been officially released yet, > many of > us are jumping the gun on this one. > > Again, thank you for asking. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:32 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the > mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? > On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> >> Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I >> created a VO >> Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. >> >> Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent >> discussion. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. >> >> >> shame we can't script it in snowleopard? >> >> On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There >>> really >>> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >>> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >>> from >>> the keyboard. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts here. Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut for "Answer"
Using iPHone 3GS as a Multi Touch Track Pad for a Mac
Hello William, By the way, I am cross-posting this reply to the iPhone users list for any who may either know the answer or who may be interested in the topic. I presume you are asking the name of the iPhone/iPod Touch software that one must get from the iTunes Store in order to use the afore mentioned devices as a multi touch track pad with a Macintosh computer that does not have a built-in multi touch track pad. Well, I asked the people at the Apple Store the name of the iTunes application and they did not know it but said that it was definitely in iTunes. To be honest, as my one and only Mac has a built-in multi touch track pad, I have not searched for the required software. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:58 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. what is the software called? On 8 Sep 2009, at 07:50, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > Thank you for asking. > > Well, I am absolutely loving it. I feel as though entire new > "Vistas" (get > it?) have been opened up for me. > > The interaction between VoiceOver/Snow Leopard and Jaws/Windows is so > different. > > While I have never driven a car, based on what I have heard from > people over > the years, VO is more like a stick-shift while Jaws is more like an > automatic. People who prefer stick-shifts like it because they have > more > control over the car and are forced to interact with the car. I > feel the > same way about VoiceOver and I love it. > > As I told Cara the other day, I have gotten a lot of flack from > Windows > people who feel I have abandoned the cause. Nothing could be > further from > the truth; to me, I have merely expanded my proverbial horizons. > > While I am still taking baby steps, I am confident that Apple and > Candle > Shore will swim in the same ocean from now on. (Smile) > > By the way, I purchased a La Ci rugged portable 500GB Fire Wire > drive for > making backups and such. This is quite an impressive device, to say > the > least. > > Also, as I was out and about for extended periods of time this Labor > Day > weekend, I took my MacBook Pro along and I am happy to say that the > Verizon > Wireless USB Air Card functioned perfectly. The quality of this > notebook is > beyond belief. And, I still smile every time I use the Track Pad to > engage > the computer with iPhone VoiceOver command gestures. > > Oh, when I was in the Apple Store last week, I was told that one can > use > either the iPhone 3GS or the iPod Touch as a Track Pad interface > with the > Macs. Have you attempted this? I am told the software needed to > accomplish > this is already in the iTunes Store. > > > One more thing, even though I am happy with the V M Ware Virtual > Machine > running Windows 7, I am toying with the idea of installing windows 7 > via > Boot Camp, again. I think I have a solution for the audio problem. > By the > way, the audio problem I experienced seems to be specific to the > MacBook > Pro. Of course, as windows 7 has not been officially released yet, > many of > us are jumping the gun on this one. > > Again, thank you for asking. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:32 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the > mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? > On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> >> Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I >> created a VO >> Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. >> >> Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent >> discussion. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. >> >> >> shame we can't script it in snowleopard? >> >> On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There >>> really >>> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >>> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >>> from >>> the keyboard. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts here. Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut for "Answer"
Re: media event
The event will be held at 10:00 AM Pacific Time at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco, the site of several previous Apple September media events. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:14 PM, william lomas wrote: > > 10 AM I think californian time though not sure > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 03:48, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know the time of the event? I'd love a live stream as > > well. > > > > Best, > > Anna > > > > > > > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Blake Sinnett wrote: > > > >> You might try live.twit.tv around the time of the event. > >> > >>> From: lomaswill...@googlemail.com > >>> Subject: media event > >>> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:53:37 +0100 > >>> To: disc...@macvisionaries.com > >>> > >>> > >>> hi will the ipod event on wednesday be streamed anywhere? > >>> Will > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Check out our web site, www.giantdolphin.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Skype and Voice Over.
Are you using group navigation? That can cause update issues like this. My method, using standard navigation (sorry, I'm typing on a Windows box and don't remember exact names), is to type VO-Shift-F3 to turn Cursor Tracking off, then navigate from the Edit box in a conversation back to the frame, then interact, go to end, and interact again to get inside the actual control where chat messages show up. With Cursor Tracking off, VoiceOver remembers my location in each conversation this way, so I can just cycle through active conversations with Command-Accent and use VO+Right to check for new messages in each one. This does require that you avoid using the drawer for conversations, which is a Skype option. On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 03:05:22PM +0700, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi everyone, I'm adding in to this thread as it is related. I have previously asked about this issue but haven't resolved it yet. When it comes to conversing (chatting) with someone on skype, i know how to go to the mainframe, interact with it, and look at the conversation. Adding text is also fine. But once i get a new message the frame doesn't update the conversation. forcing me to close the window and reopen it to interact again with the mainframe etc. I have had some suggestions, mainly about hitting shift vo and right arrow to go beyond the last message before the convo update, but it doesn't work either. Since i use skype a fair bit, especially with my work colleagues, i do require to write quite lengthy messages at a frequent rate. ANd close and reopening the convo box isn't an option for me. Does anyone know how to resolve this issue? Thanks yall, and best Yuma -- Doug Lee d...@dlee.orghttp://www.dlee.org SSB BART Group doug@ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "When your best-laid plans have turned to dust, vacuum!" - Whoopi Goldberg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: applescript idea
i love this one! wont mind to see it on the iphone as well. rk Il giorno 08/set/2009, alle ore 00.17, Anne Robertson ha scritto: > > Hello Yuma, > > To switch languages on the fly, hold down Control-Option-Command then > use the left or right arrow until you reach "Default voice (name)", > then use the down arrow to change the voice. If you don't move to > another setting, the next time you press these modifier keys, you will > be on the Default Voice setting and when you press down arrow, you'll > be on the voice you were using previously. > > I do this all the time to switch between French and English. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I was just hacing a milkshake and thought of a possible script to >> help >> polyglotts in this list? >> >> I believe this should be possible, bbut since i am not acquainted >> enough with applescript, please those of you who know some or are >> veterans, give me some pointers :) >> >> Basically, i always have the voice over menu open for switching >> languages, and though it's not that many manipulations away, i wish >> there is something more fluid and streamlined, sort of slick in its >> behavior. >> >> This could apply to safari, mail, and perhaps at a later date, >> documents. >> >> SO, if there are variables that can specify a language, either in an >> html body, it's address quote country suffixe? unquote or checking >> redundant words and common nouns in the subject line of a mail, the >> applescript would switch automatically to the given language. >> >> Now is this possible? getting handlers to pre-process document >> contents to see if it is in a given language could be done right? >> >> I have the applescript documentation, but since this list is about >> communicating, and i like to brainstorm before really engaging in any >> type of project :) i wanted your advice, opinion and comment. >> >> Thanks for reading, and best >> >> Yuma >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hi, I don't know if this is strictly a script issue, but as i wrote in a mail earlier in this thread, i'm afraid that making more and more "wild" things with the screen reader is forcing us to use one and only one developers programs. Of course we should be able to use Apples own programs, but we should also have the freedom of choice that is provided to sighted people. If i for some reason should prefer Opera over Safari, i should be able to use Opera with about the seam experience as with other browsers, and if we start doing things like web spots, sweet spots, page summaries and such it should be available for all browsers alike. That should at least be a goal. I say this because i have looked a little at Opera and none of the special features like web spots, page summaries and the like are available. Whether it's a browser issue, a voiceover issue, a scripting thing or some other thing i don't know. /Krister /Krister 7 sep 2009 kl. 20.36 skrev Chris Hofstader: > > The major reason between JAWS and its scripting facility is that it > *must* have scripts to function. Just making VO scriptable doesn't > make it any more reliant on scripts than it is today but with > something like AppleScript, one can add some finesse to how VO > interacts with certain applications and add some of the real wow stuff > that is impossible in a screen reader without such a facility. > > cdh > On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the scripts for my application and you will have access." Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so that I can have a new perspective. Jes > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: music applications on the mac
Hi Erik, i certainly will write accessibility. I am not a professional musician but it would still be nice if there was somehting accessible. Do you know if you can use jampacks from garageband inlogic? Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:29 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > > Hi Anouk, There's good reason to hope for logic. It would help if > you wrote to the apple accessibility team on this as it's reasonably > well along already and really has been neglected the last little > while. > > Best, > > erik burggraaf > A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. > Phone: 888-255-5194 > Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com > > On 7-Sep-09, at 5:18 AM, anouk radix wrote: > >> >> Hello everyone, i know there is garageband of course but I wonder if >> there is an application for the mac like sonar is for windows? >> Greetings, Anouk >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: music applications on the mac
Hello, yeah logic is an apple product no, i guess it is not written in cocoa? Greetings, Anouk, On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:49 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > Anouk, > > The answer to this is yes, there are plenty of applications on mac > comparable to Sonar, the big 3 probably being Pro Tools Logic and > Digital Performer, with many more options beyond that. > > Unfortunately though, none of these are currently accessible with VO. > Logic is probably the leader of the pack at the moment, and with a > dedicated control surface and some patients you could survive with > getting the basics done. Digidesign have commited to improving the > accessibility of Pro Tools, but for now it's a slow going process. > > Basically, for the forseeable, if you can't pull what you need out of > Garage Band, you're probably destined to install boot camp and stick > with Sonar. If you get a spare few minutes, I encourage you to write > to accessibil...@apple.com and express some distaste that there have > been no accessibility improvements in the latest major version of > Logic, an Apple product. > > Hth, sorry to be the bearer of bad news. > > Scott > > On 9/7/09, anouk radix wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, i know there is garageband of course but I wonder if >> there is an application for the mac like sonar is for windows? >> Greetings, Anouk >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: scripting voiceover
8 sep 2009 kl. 01.30 skrev Randy Stegall: > Where can those of us who do not know apple script find a beginner's > guide? And are there tools either in the apple script editor or in other apps that can help with syntax and such, like auto complete or wezards or things that can help someone like me who consider themselves an idiot when it comes to programming in any shape or form and who gets scared by the word syntax. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: snow leopard and box set
IChat is not a part of the iLife suite, that is installed by default with the system. ILife includes iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD. On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I am considering the purchase of the macbox set with ilife and iwork, > as well as getting some more ram for my macbook pro. So ilife includes > garage band, ichat and some other apps, but are they all VO > compatible? > > It's still a 180 dollar investment so i wanted to make sure that > perhaps all my windows work environment could be switched to mac, as i > shudder each time i open up my windows for using office, primarily. > > Any suggestions will be welcome, > > Thanks, ans best regards > > Yuma > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Skype and Voice Over.
Hi Mark, I'm enjoying your posts as you enter the Mac world. As I expect my MacBook Pro today, I'll start my journey as well. I was unable to find the fire wire drive you referenced in your last message. I looked at Amazon and googled it, without getting any hits. Can you point me to the manufacturer of this drive? Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype and Voice Over. Hello Mike, Thank you for asking. Well, I am absolutely loving it. I feel as though entire new "Vistas" (get it?) have been opened up for me. The interaction between VoiceOver/Snow Leopard and Jaws/Windows is so different. While I have never driven a car, based on what I have heard from people over the years, VO is more like a stick-shift while Jaws is more like an automatic. People who prefer stick-shifts like it because they have more control over the car and are forced to interact with the car. I feel the same way about VoiceOver and I love it. As I told Cara the other day, I have gotten a lot of flack from Windows people who feel I have abandoned the cause. Nothing could be further from the truth; to me, I have merely expanded my proverbial horizons. While I am still taking baby steps, I am confident that Apple and Candle Shore will swim in the same ocean from now on. (Smile) By the way, I purchased a La Ci rugged portable 500GB Fire Wire drive for making backups and such. This is quite an impressive device, to say the least. Also, as I was out and about for extended periods of time this Labor Day weekend, I took my MacBook Pro along and I am happy to say that the Verizon Wireless USB Air Card functioned perfectly. The quality of this notebook is beyond belief. And, I still smile every time I use the Track Pad to engage the computer with iPhone VoiceOver command gestures. Oh, when I was in the Apple Store last week, I was told that one can use either the iPhone 3GS or the iPod Touch as a Track Pad interface with the Macs. Have you attempted this? I am told the software needed to accomplish this is already in the iTunes Store. One more thing, even though I am happy with the V M Ware Virtual Machine running Windows 7, I am toying with the idea of installing windows 7 via Boot Camp, again. I think I have a solution for the audio problem. By the way, the audio problem I experienced seems to be specific to the MacBook Pro. Of course, as windows 7 has not been officially released yet, many of us are jumping the gun on this one. Again, thank you for asking. Most Sincerely, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:32 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I > created a VO > Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. > > Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent > discussion. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > shame we can't script it in snowleopard? > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really >> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >> from >> the keyboard. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >>> here. >>> >>> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >>> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >>> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >>> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >>> >>> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >>> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", >>> is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've >>> created a keyboard shortcut of ctrl-command-f10 for this. >>> >>> . >>> Open system Preferences and select "Keyboard and Mouse" >>> Next select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab. >>> Find the table listing the keyboard Shortcuts, interact with it and >>> go to the bottom. >>> Expand the "Applications" part of the table". >>> Stop interac
Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Hi Donna, This is Esther, not Simon. When you edit an iTunes track by using "Get Info" (Command-I), then navigate to the Options pane and enter values for the start and stop times, iTunes will start playing and stop playing the track at those times. The whole track is still there, so if you delete the entries in the start and stop time text boxes, or type "0", when you save your changes the values will revert to the defaults -- that is, the starting time will be 0, and the ending time will be the playing time for your track. These values only take effect if you start the track playing from the beginning and do not have "Remember playback position" checked. If, for example, you paused a track 15 seconds into it's play, then edited the start time to be 00:20 (two zeros, followed by a colon, followed by 20 -- for twenty seconds), when you start playing the track it will resume play from the current position (15 seconds). When you create a new track, or burn to CD, iTunes uses the start and stop time settings of your selected track to determine which parts of a track you want to encode or burn. You do not have to have "Remember playback position" checked -- that will start up playback where you last stopped, in the case that you're in the middle of a track, and will ignore your start position. An easier way to make these adjustments is to get a copy of the "RestartAt" AppleScript from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page at: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html This script brings up a dialog window and lets you start playing any track in your iTunes library (including movies, Audible books, TV shows, etc.) at the time you specify. AppleScripts work just like regular menu commands, except that they show up in a special AppleScript menu on the menu bar of your application. If this is the first time you are using an AppleScript for iTunes you will have to create the Scripts folder. 1. In Finder, use the "Go to Folder" shortcut Command-Shift-G and either type or paste in: ~/Library/iTunes into the text field of the dialog window and then press return. 2. Create a Scripts folder in this location. (I find this most reliable from icon view, so optionally, press Command-1 to shift Finder to icon view, then press Command-Shift-N, to create a new Folder, and type in the name "Scripts" (without quotation marks and with a capital "S")). 3. In Safari navigate to Tim Kilburns' VoiceOver Downloads page: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html 4. Interact with the HTML page and use item chooser (VO-I) to find "RestartAt", then VO-Right arrow to the download script link. 5. Download the "restartatscript.zip" file. If you are unused to using the Downloads directory and the Dock, you can use the context menu (VO- Shift-M) and choose "Download linked file as …" then use Command-Shift- D to make this go to your Desktop. (Another way to download is to simply press Option-Return, which always forces a download of the linked file to the default Downloads directory. You can bring up the "Downloads" window in Safari with Command-Option-L. Interact with the window and arrow down to your download. You can monitor progress of the download if you interact with the group. Since this is a small file, just VO-Right arrow to the "Show in Finder" button after interacting with this download group and press it (VO-Space). This will open a Finder window with the downloaded file highlighted. 6. Double-click on the file with VO-Shift-Space to unzip it. (Hold down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice). 7. Copy (Command-C) the RestartAt script file, navigate to the ~/ Library/iTunes/Scripts/ folder, and paste the script in (Command-V). Scripts like your downloaded "RestartAt" AppleScript that are in this ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts folder, will show up as an items in an additional AppleScripts menu on your iTunes menu bar. The tilde at the beginning of the folder path name indicates that this is a folder under your account, so if you navigate to your home directory in Finder with Command-Shift-H, you should be able to locate a folder named "Library" which contains a folder named "iTunes" in which you have created your "Scripts" folder, and where you will find your RestartAt script. To use the RestartAt Applescript: 1. Highlight a selected track in the songs table 2. Press Return to start the track playing, then pause it by pressing space bar. (You only need to do this the first time you play tracks in the library, so that when you check the first status column for your selection in the songs table you hear "status play targeted". If you want to go back to the exact beginning you can press your left arrow key while the track is paused.) 3. Navigate with VO-M to the menu bar and left arrow twice. (The AppleScripts menu is the silent spot to the left of the "Help" m
Re: activating devices
Do you mean the audio manager or do you mean physical devices? There was an article in the news quite recently that said that Apple were stopping third-party devices from syncing with ITunes, except of course the IPhone. Take care James - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: activating devices > > hi, I am surprised ITunes does not have a way on the amc yet, to > activate devices for use on > audible.com > regards Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I think there is no reason to ever fear that VOiceOver would become like JAWS, Window-Eyes, or any other screen reader. I don't know that I myself have much use for scripting, but it is an option that software vendors are going to use as an excuse to avoid making their apps accessible. I think instead as one person pointed out, is a tool, which can extend the functionality of VoiceOver and this offers some real benefits in dealing with complex situations. So, I understand the concerns, but I can see the benefits and why screen readers are going this direction. After all, look how long it took before Window-Eyes took on scripting. This was done not so much as to be competitive I bet as much as some situations have become complex enough that "set" files just couldn't handle it. On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:26 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Thanks for that reassurance that voice over will not become like jaws. > > Jes > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the >> value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. >> >> I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a >> screen >> reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you >> mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques >> to get the same job. >> >> The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly >> unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every >> application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative >> screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or >> iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible >> into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. >> >> VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot >> correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and >> MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What >> AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination >> of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their >> software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep >> contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API >> to deliver. >> >> I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in >> the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers >> are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. >> >> So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with >> their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart >> enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven >> communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a >> fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the >> worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the >> same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if >> you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report >> 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the >> same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last >> month's headers. >> >> There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a >> generic screen reader cannot understand. >> >> Happy Curt Flood Day, >> cdh >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>> scripting. >>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>> with >>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>> seeing >>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>> we >>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>> Macintosh. >>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>> that >>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>> of >>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>> just >>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>> it >>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>> it >>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>> be. >>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >>> they w
RE: Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7
Hay this is great to hear. I have to setup a snow leopard machine and then install vm fusion. I hadn't heard anything till now about fusions workings in SL. But I am stil having trouble with a couple of vm fusion things in leopard and that's things like activating usb drives in the vm xp image / machine. Can anyone give me info on how to deal with these vm fusion features or access better the fusion menus while using VO in leopard. Cheers for any assistance. Simon f -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Friday, 4 September 2009 11:59 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Fusion Bliss with Snow Leopard and Windows 7 Hey Mark, I'd say you're off to a great start with your mac, yes, fusion works great, Think i'm going to say with XP for a while yet, until either I have to upgrade for a program I want to use, or Microsoft shows more interest in accessibility. I guess after seeing how the mac does things, and how you can install the operating system totally without sighted help, I refuse to settle for less. On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:46 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Just a quick update to thank you all for the wonderful help I > received with > my V M Ware Fusion project. > > I have been accepted into the private Beta program for V M Ware. As a > result, I am now using Fusion 11.x. I tell you all this not to > boast but so > that you will know that any comments I make on the program are based > on an > as yet unreleased version of Fusion. > > I am absolutely delighted to report that Windows 7 is running > beautifully on > my MacBook Pro. I am amazed at how fast the virtual machine > functions. > There is truly no delay in processing, at least, none that I can > discern. > The audio drivers work fine with Jaws 11. Oh yes, I decided to > install the > public beta of Jaws 11, also. > > There is one tiny glitch that I will report to V M Ware tomorrow. > Read the > following to discover the glitch: > > 1. > Install Fusion 11. > > 2. > Install Windows 7. There will be no sound. This is an old issue > from the > Vista days. Also, screen resolution is set to 800x600. While you can > adjust screen resolution at this point, it is best to wait. > > 3. > Run Windows 7 Update from within the virtual machine and at least two > important drivers will be installed. One of these drivers is for the > MacBook Pro sound card. > > 4. > Restart Windows 7 and there will be perfect sound that is accessible > using > the same hardware keys as OSX. > > NOTE 1: > For best result, I strongly recommend that you run the virtual > machine as a > full screen. > > NOTE 2: > The following can be done in no particular order: > > 5. > Install Jaws 11. > > At this point, everything will be working fine; however, as you > enter and > exit the virtual machine, you will be prompted to install the V M Ware > Tools. Again, it is not necessary to do this but, for best results > in the > future, it is highly recommended that you do so. Simply change > focus back > to OSX, there are a couple of ways to do this but I will wait for > enquiries > before listing them as I don't want this message to get too long. > > Using VO, select to install the V M Ware tools for this particular > virtual > machine. Once the installation begins, Jaws will begin reading the > dialog > boxes that appear within the Windows 7 desktop. Follow the prompt to > complete the installation. > > 6. > Upon restarting Windows 7, after installing the V M Ware tools, you > may > notice two things: (1) the screen resolution has been correctly > adjusted > for the native screen resolution for the MacBook Pro or whatever > type of > computer display you're using and (2) there is, once again, no sound. > During the V M Ware Tools installation, the correct audio driver is > replaced > with a VM Ware driver that does not work on the Mac Book Pro. > > 7. > From within Windows 7, in the device manager, select the properties > for the > VM Ware sound card and choose to rollback the driver. > > 8. > Restart Windows 7 and, behold, the sound returns and all is right > with the > world. > > OK, I am so tired that I am going to stop typing at this point. > > Good Luck to all Fellow Snow Leopard and Windows 7 tightrope walkers. > > Mark > PS > Unfortunately, I cannot post this information to my BLOG so if you > think you > may use it in the future, be sure to save. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Don't be silly, we know you were't complaining. We are all here to share opinions and comments. It's all friendly, even if we disagree with each other. Take care james - Original Message - From: "Jes Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:20 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my intention. So sorry if it came out like that. Jes On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > I'd need to agree with this. > > It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply > because you yourself might not like it or want to use it. > >As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product, > complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at worst. > > Just because scripting is present, doesn't mean the entire VO > paradigm is coming crashing down. :) > > If you'd like developers to pay attention to the quality of their > products, then simply do as we've always done and offer them detailed, > positive feedback and suggestions and there's no reason to expect > they'd not work with us as they have in the past. > > I for one, really am glad that Snowie has all of the new features > it does though. Personally I really, thankfully have no need to > initiate apps from within keyboard commander, but having that ability > may sure come in handy in ways I, at present, am not thinking of, so > if that day comes, then terrific that I have access to this, and for > now, I'll simply enjoy all of the other keyboard commander features as > I do. > > I'm also personally really looking forward to scripting VO. The > possibilities here are endless!. > > to get back to keyboard commander here for just one second, I > personally am using it now for a couple of really cool things. > > . I have my right option key enabled and can press option / to > route my mouse pointer really quickly. > > . I'm also using a key combo to switch quickly, on the fly, between > groups and DOM modes. > > So this is really an important feature addition in my book. woohoo!. > > anyway, this is of course, just my two cents. So take it or leave > it. :) > > Thanks very much for this discussion! You all super rock! > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > View my Online Portfolio at: > > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: > > > > I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, then > don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of > VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, > some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If that > application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an > option. > n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to >>> accessibil...@apple.com >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> Hi all. I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, the
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Perhaps you could contact Acessibility and ask them as well the folks at Opera. Perhaps if we keep an eye on the situation and keep asking them FireFox will be usable to. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > Hi, > I don't know if this is strictly a script issue, but as i wrote in a > mail earlier in this thread, i'm afraid that making more and more > "wild" things with the screen reader is forcing us to use one and only > one developers programs. Of course we should be able to use Apples own > programs, but we should also have the freedom of choice that is > provided to sighted people. If i for some reason should prefer Opera > over Safari, i should be able to use Opera with about the seam > experience as with other browsers, and if we start doing things like > web spots, sweet spots, page summaries and such it should be available > for all browsers alike. That should at least be a goal. > I say this because i have looked a little at Opera and none of the > special features like web spots, page summaries and the like are > available. Whether it's a browser issue, a voiceover issue, a > scripting thing or some other thing i don't know. > /Krister > /Krister > > 7 sep 2009 kl. 20.36 skrev Chris Hofstader: > >> >> The major reason between JAWS and its scripting facility is that it >> *must* have scripts to function. Just making VO scriptable doesn't >> make it any more reliant on scripts than it is today but with >> something like AppleScript, one can add some finesse to how VO >> interacts with certain applications and add some of the real wow stuff >> that is impossible in a screen reader without such a facility. >> >> cdh >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com and share our thoughts on this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for > scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application > with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or > seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about > opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if > we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for > Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something > that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use > of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the > box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you > just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's > computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that > it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as > it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader > does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it > be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple > developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Quite frankly I think some are putting to much stock in all this scripting stuff. I don't even see Apple pushing it in any fashion and honestly the scripting abilities is something that already exists across the system and the functionality has simply made it to VO. I already said I understand where the opposition is coming from, but don't let all this consume you because you may find that the function is there much like services in other aspects of the os and that is as far as it'll go. So, as they say, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. :) On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:42 PM, timsniffen wrote: > > I think it would be a shame to lose the ability to script VoiceOver. > I work with the Veteran Administration Blind Rehab service and am > interested in helping older Veterans learn to use the Mac -- either > because they were Mac users before losing vision or because they are > just getting into computing and need a simple interface. For the > elderly, problems with memory are at least a great an issue as > problems with vision, and anything we can do to make important > everyday computing tasks easier for elderly people with vision loss > will greatly increase their adoption of the Macintosh. The ability > to collapse many steps involving several applications into one or two > steps is vital to this effort. As one who has struggled to teach > Windows screen readers to elderly Veterans for decades, I can't tell > you how excited I am by VoiceOver's new tools in Snow Leopard -- > AppleScript among them. > > > On Sep 7, 10:32 am, "James & Nash" > wrote: >> Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are >> an option >> and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make >> their apps >> accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating >> system is >> now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can >> add our >> own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an >> extensible >> scriptable Screen Reader. >> >> Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to >> or >> corect me if I'm wrong. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ryan Mann" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM >> Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my >> chest >> >>> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, >>> then >>> don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of >>> VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more >>> popular, >>> some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If >>> that >>> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be >>> an >>> option. >>> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> That sounds like a good idea. >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> > I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of > scripts > to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to > accessibil...@apple.com > and share our thoughts on this. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >> scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >> with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >> seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >> opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am >> concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that >> if >> we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >> Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >> that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the >> use >> of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >> box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >> just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >> computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to >> use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is >> that >> it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information >> as >> it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >> does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let >> it >> be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >> developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I'm not a programmer, but I'll hazard a guess that maybe the issue now is that MSAA has become such a heavily used facility for windows-based screen readers, that now it would take an amazing amount of work to break away from that. So, it in other words in for a penny in for a pound. On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Hey Chris, it's interesting that you mention the whole off screen > model, actually I'm amazed that voice over does as well as it does > without one, I wonder if windows screen readers will ever be able to > move away from this approach, I think the only screen reader that does > not have one is NVDA, and from what I've heard, it's fairly limited. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Probably because I was once a VP at Freedom Scientific, I see the >> value in and strongly support adding scripting to VO. >> >> I agree that using scripts to launch applications from within a >> screen >> reader should be discouraged and I agree that some other things you >> mention in your email should be avoided as there are other techniques >> to get the same job. >> >> The fear that "VO will turn into JAWS for Macintosh," is mostly >> unfounded though. The reason JAWS needs scripts for virtually every >> application it supports is that they have an OSM and, given relative >> screen coordinates can tease the text drawn directly without MSAA or >> iAccessible2 involved. This helps make the completely inaccessible >> into something that is marginally and sometimes very accessible. >> >> VO has no OSM. Even with the new scripting facility, it cannot >> correct the owner drawn interfaces (I've been trying to get VO and >> MacSpeech Dictate to talk and its a hemorrhoid of a project). What >> AppleScript gives us is the ability to add features to a combination >> of programs where the authors did a decent job of making their >> software accessible but the user would benefit from some very deep >> contextual information that would be very difficult for a generic API >> to deliver. >> >> I read a post (I think on this list) about reading table headers in >> the iWork spreadsheet. the post said it works great if the headers >> are on the top row but starts to fail if they are elsewhere. >> >> So, why not write a script that allows multiple tables, each with >> their own headings to exist in a single spreadsheet? No API is smart >> enough to do this but, I would think that a script driven >> communication system between VO and the worksheet could do it in a >> fairly straight forward manner. This script could also "mangle" the >> worksheet file name in a manner that is unique so, if you reload the >> same document, your headers will be there for you. Even cooler, if >> you open a spreadsheet with a very similar name (Sales Report >> 1/1/2009, Sales Report 2/1/2009, etc.) they will probably have the >> same format and the user can be offered the opportunity to load last >> month's headers. >> >> There are lots of ideas that can be expressed in scripts that a >> generic screen reader cannot understand. >> >> Happy Curt Flood Day, >> cdh >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>> scripting. >>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>> with >>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>> seeing >>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>> we >>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>> Macintosh. >>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>> that >>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>> of >>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>> just >>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>> it >>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>> it >>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>> be. >>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me,
Re: activating devices
i mean devices like the stream, booksense, etc On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:05, James & Nash wrote: > > Do you mean the audio manager or do you mean physical devices? > There was an > article in the news quite recently that said that Apple were stopping > third-party devices from syncing with ITunes, except of course the > IPhone. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:22 AM > Subject: activating devices > > >> >> hi, I am surprised ITunes does not have a way on the amc yet, to >> activate devices for use on >> audible.com >> regards Will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
status, name, etc?
hi the voice over help does not seem to be clear on all the new verbosity options in snowleopard particularly about the customizing what we hear for different elements, such as state then name etc. or is it just me? Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: activating devices
I'm not sure they can be synced with ITunes. I think Apple blicked third-party devices from doing so. It seemed like an attempt to menopolize on the IPhone and IPod lines. But i could be wrong about the last point. . - Original Message - From: "william lomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: activating devices > > i mean devices like the stream, booksense, etc > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:05, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Do you mean the audio manager or do you mean physical devices? >> There was an >> article in the news quite recently that said that Apple were stopping >> third-party devices from syncing with ITunes, except of course the >> IPhone. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:22 AM >> Subject: activating devices >> >> >>> >>> hi, I am surprised ITunes does not have a way on the amc yet, to >>> activate devices for use on >>> audible.com >>> regards Will >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
adium
hi all when people sign-in to adium if I have the notification to speak it freezes VO while it is announcing the signing or sign out etc. Has anyone else under snowleopard noted this? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Hi Simon, Thanks. Glad to hear I wasn't missing something with the Remember Playback Possition Button. Sounds Like Anna's saying you can figure it out in the LCD area. I haven't gotten that to display any info yet, but will keep trying. Best, Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Cavendish > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:27 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating > ringtones > > > Donna, yes, it is a rather laborious process unless your ring-tone > starts at the beginning of the song. Don't know of any other way of > doing it. The remember position checkbox doesn't help so I wouldn't > bother with it. > > Best wishes, Simon > On 8 Sep 2009, at 02:04, Donna Goodin wrote: > > > > > Hi Simon, > > > > Thanks so much for the help. I just want to make sure I > > understand. Is what you're saying that I need to set the start and > > stop positions, and then see what fragment of the song I end up > > with? I can see the total length of the song, so could make an > > approximate guess, but that seems like the hard way to do this. > > > > Also, should I have the " Remember playback position" checked? I > > checked it, but it doesn't seem to have helped. > > Thanks, > > Donna > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Simon Cavendish > > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:45 PM > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: creating ringtones > > > > > > Donna, > > > > I've only done it a few times so I may not remember but the trick is > - > > according to the steps I sent you - to go to the "get info" menu with > > command+i and then set the begin" and 'end" times of your ring-tone. > > It takes a bit of experimenting but once you set the begin and end > > points, it can be done well. As far as I can remember you have to > > check the start point position and - unless it is different from the > > very beginning point - you need to type in a value in seconds, and > > then set the end position. I remember having to go backwards and > > forwards setting various values to get the ring-tone I want. The > ring- > > tone mustn't be longer than 40 seconds. > > > > Hope this helps, Donna. I've no time to try and do it myself at the > > moment. But when I played with the instructions I had sent you, they > > were pretty good. > > > > Let me know how you are getting on. > > > > With best wishes, Simon > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 18:15, Donna Goodin wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Simnon and all, > >> > >> Is there some way to get your playback position once you've gotten > to > >> the point in the song where you want to start the ringtone? > >> TIA, > >> Donna > >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:03 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> here are detailed instructions posted by a knowledgeable person on > >>> viphone list on how to create ring tones. i'm pasting them below. > >>> > >>> first of all, this can only be done with music you haven't > purchased > >>> from the itunes store. > >>> step by step instructions > >>> 1. open itunes > >>> 2. find the song you want to select for your ringtone. highlight it > >>> with your vo cursor. > >>> 3. press cmd--I to get info and go to the options tab. > >>> 4. check the start and end time boxes. [note, make sure you know > >>> where > >>> you want your start and end to be. this must be 40 seconds or less] > >>> once you've selected the allotted time, click OK. > >>> 5. go to advance and select create AAC version. this creates a > >>> duplicate of your selected song. > >>> 6. Now, the song you just created should be sitting below your > >>> original in the songs table as an aAC version. go to the original, > >>> you > >>> will know it's the original because the time is still the original > >>> length. Now you should get info again on the original track, > >>> ensuring > >>> the track is highlighted, and uncheck the boxes you checked > >>> previously. This will make sure your song is in tact. > >>> 7. Now highlight your duplicate song, the one you made for your > >>> ringtone, and hit cmd--c to copy. Paste it to your desk top and > >>> delete > >>> the duplicate in itunes. [this must be done or else the following > >>> steps will not work] > >>> 9. Rename the file on your desktop, with the m4r extension. all you > >>> need to do is hit enter/return on the file on the desktop and go to > >>> the end of the file name, deleting the m4a and typing m4r. > >>> 11. go back to itunes and hit add to library cmd--o. find your new > >>> ringtone on the desktop and import it. > >>> 12. go to your ringtones playlist and it should be there. > >>> 13. sync your iphone. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:27, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >>> > > Hi Donna, > > What I would do is use a program like amadeus Pro to select the > segment of a track you want to use as a ringtone, copy
testing my applescript
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RE: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Hi Esther, Thanks so much for explaining all this. I hadn't really been following the Apple Scripts tread, figuring that was for users more advanced than I. :) What about Anna's suggestion that this info can be found in the LCD area? I tried looking there, but only saw three items, Audiovisual, and a couple of others. But no play info. One of the buttons was something like Show Current Song. I did press this, but nothing seemed to happen. Best, Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:58 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating > ringtones > > > Hi Donna, > > This is Esther, not Simon. When you edit an iTunes track by using > "Get Info" (Command-I), then navigate to the Options pane and enter > values for the start and stop times, iTunes will start playing and > stop playing the track at those times. The whole track is still > there, so if you delete the entries in the start and stop time text > boxes, or type "0", when you save your changes the values will revert > to the defaults -- that is, the starting time will be 0, and the > ending time will be the playing time for your track. These values > only take effect if you start the track playing from the beginning and > do not have "Remember playback position" checked. If, for example, > you paused a track 15 seconds into it's play, then edited the start > time to be 00:20 (two zeros, followed by a colon, followed by 20 -- > for twenty seconds), when you start playing the track it will resume > play from the current position (15 seconds). > > When you create a new track, or burn to CD, iTunes uses the start and > stop time settings of your selected track to determine which parts of > a track you want to encode or burn. > > You do not have to have "Remember playback position" checked -- that > will start up playback where you last stopped, in the case that you're > in the middle of a track, and will ignore your start position. > > An easier way to make these adjustments is to get a copy of the > "RestartAt" AppleScript from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page at: > > http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html > > This script brings up a dialog window and lets you start playing any > track in your iTunes library (including movies, Audible books, TV > shows, etc.) at the time you specify. AppleScripts work just like > regular menu commands, except that they show up in a special > AppleScript menu on the menu bar of your application. If this is the > first time you are using an AppleScript for iTunes you will have to > create the Scripts folder. > > 1. In Finder, use the "Go to Folder" shortcut Command-Shift-G and > either type or paste in: > ~/Library/iTunes > into the text field of the dialog window and then press return. > 2. Create a Scripts folder in this location. (I find this most > reliable from icon view, so optionally, press Command-1 to shift > Finder to icon view, then press Command-Shift-N, to create a new > Folder, and type in the name "Scripts" (without quotation marks and > with a capital "S")). > 3. In Safari navigate to Tim Kilburns' VoiceOver Downloads page: > http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html > 4. Interact with the HTML page and use item chooser (VO-I) to find > "RestartAt", then VO-Right arrow to the download script link. > 5. Download the "restartatscript.zip" file. If you are unused to using > the Downloads directory and the Dock, you can use the context menu (VO- > Shift-M) and choose "Download linked file as ." then use Command-Shift- > D to make this go to your Desktop. (Another way to download is to > simply press Option-Return, which always forces a download of the > linked file to the default Downloads directory. You can bring up the > "Downloads" window in Safari with Command-Option-L. Interact with the > window and arrow down to your download. You can monitor progress of > the download if you interact with the group. Since this is a small > file, just VO-Right arrow to the "Show in Finder" button after > interacting with this download group and press it (VO-Space). This > will open a Finder window with the downloaded file highlighted. > 6. Double-click on the file with VO-Shift-Space to unzip it. (Hold > down Control, Option, and Shift keys and tap the space bar twice). > 7. Copy (Command-C) the RestartAt script file, navigate to the ~/ > Library/iTunes/Scripts/ folder, and paste the script in (Command-V). > > Scripts like your downloaded "RestartAt" AppleScript that are in this > ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts folder, will show up as an items in an > additional AppleScripts menu on your iTunes menu bar. The tilde at > the beginning of the folder path name indicates that this is a folder > under your account, so if you navigate to your home directory in > Finder with Com
testing my applescript
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dictionary in applescript
Hi guys, I've made my first applescript which has taken me a while to do for the simple fact that there is a structure to be obeyed down to the new line command, but i think i got the gist :) Now i want to delve into the automatic language switcher. But i looked into the script dictionary, and though it is fairly straight forward, i'd like it if it were a bit more streamlined. I know it's probably way easier for the sighted as there's only clicking to do, but does anyone know of a good method of extracting commands, lookup their paremeters at a glance, so to speak? ANyhow, i found a very good start for my endeavor to make my mac experience that much better for my productivity and creativity :) Love this stuph best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Weird VO behavior
Hello folks. Have anyone of you guys had problem with VO when browsing menus, and sub menus? For example, when I go to the what ever application menu, and go down to services, I can't move up, down, left or right. I have to stop interacting, and then I can go down in the menu, but not enter the sub menu... Sometimes I can, with some luck... This happens always when VO hits an item with a sub menu... Hope anyone here on the list understands my problem... Kind regards David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Weird VO behavior
I've found two things that help with this. First, be sure that Quick Nav is off. Otherwise, VO gets stuck when it hits a submenu. Second. try arrowing down the menu without using the VO keys and then entering a submenu similarly. (Use the down arrow without holding anything else. Then hit the right arrow when you get to the sub you want. Then down or up as necessary.) This has been working for me -- as long as I remember to turn Quick Nav off first.Howard On Sep 8, 9:36 am, David Hole wrote: > Hello folks. > Have anyone of you guys had problem with VO when browsing menus, and sub > menus? > For example, when I go to the what ever application menu, and go down to > services, I can't move up, down, left or right. I have to stop > interacting, and then I can go down in the menu, but not enter the sub > menu... Sometimes I can, with some luck... > This happens always when VO hits an item with a sub menu... > Hope anyone here on the list understands my problem... > > Kind regards David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over announcing screen attributes and colors in email
Hi Larry, In VoiceOver Utility, choose Verbosity. Choose the Text tab. My guess is that currently, the "When Attributes change" menu is set to Speak. Change it to "Do nothing," and that should take care of it. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Hi Donna, The track you want needs to be playing or paused, and it's a good ideal to press Control-L to bring focus to the currently playing song before going into the LCD section. HTH, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Accessible Status Menu Bar Icons and VoiceOver (also, new SoundSource for Snow Leopard)
HI Anna, I'm not sure whether the new version of Sound Source is accessible to VoiceOver or not -- I'm still running the old version (in Leopard), which worked via an installer script, and which I have no difficult finding with VoiceOver on the status menu bar. Did this stop working with the upgrade to Snow Leopard? That's the impression I got from the blog post -- that the more accessible version Rogue Amoeba had been supporting up till now required someone to hack the "Menu Extra Enabler" code every time there was a system upgrade and figure how to get this feature working again. Then, developers who used this would have to wait for this release and modify their code dependencies. In most cases, "haxies" are unsupported, bleeding edge features that add new functionality. In this case, it sounds as though it's the best current way to provide a status menu bar icon that is accessible to VoiceOver. From the blog discussion comments it sounded like the new app might not provide an accessible icon for VoiceOver. You should be able to uninstall the old SoundSource program by running the installer from the old SoundSource.dmg file (double-click to open the .dmg file, then double-click on the SoundSource installer as though you were starting to install, and then, at the first step, press the "uninstall" button instead of "continue".) The new version of the program is supposed to install just by copying the app to the Applications directory. I'm very much afraid that the new icon may not be accessible to VoiceOver. If you find that to be the case -- if someone can confirm that the icon is on the status menu, but VoiceOver can't find it -- could you please send in a report to the team at accessibil...@apple.com? You can quote or link in my post: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg09249.html Cheers, Esther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over announcing screen attributes and colors in email
Hello, Anna, You are exactly correct. thanks very much for your help. Larry On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > In VoiceOver Utility, choose Verbosity. Choose the Text tab. My guess > is that currently, the "When Attributes change" menu is set to Speak. > Change it to "Do nothing," and that should take care of it. > > HTH, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Question About Snow Leopard Folders
Mark, A spring loaded folder will open if you hover the mouse over the folder for a period of time. I don't use them so I can't tell you anything else. Marshall On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:52 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > What are Spring Loaded Folders? > > > Thank you, > > Mark > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migration Assistant not recognizing External Hard Drives
I have heard this can happen if the partition map on the external disk is not Apple format. I have heard that when you first get an external disk you should first "partition" it even if you are only going to use one partition so that you are using Apple's prefered partition tables and not another systems. I Heard on the Mac Jury list to select partition disk, then click on options and then there should be a pop up menu to set the type of partition mapping. I can't test this here right now. Perhaps Mark Taylor who just got a new disk will be willing to test for us. On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > > Hey everyone, I am stumped. I have just did a clean install of Snow > Leopard. I tried running migration assistant, but the assistant > doesn't seem to recognize the external hard drives I have plugged in. > i was able to use them to make the back ups, and they show up in the > side bar in the finder, but when I try to have it restore apps from > the external drives, they don't show up. Anybody have any thoughts on > why this is. Thanks so much for any feedback. > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: dictionary in applescript
Please share with us what you have done. Jonathan On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I've made my first applescript which has taken me a while to do for > the simple fact that there is a structure to be obeyed down to the new > line command, but i think i got the gist :) > > Now i want to delve into the automatic language switcher. But i looked > into the script dictionary, and though it is fairly straight forward, > i'd like it if it were a bit more streamlined. I know it's probably > way easier for the sighted as there's only clicking to do, but does > anyone know of a good method of extracting commands, lookup their > paremeters at a glance, so to speak? > > ANyhow, i found a very good start for my endeavor to make my mac > experience that much better for my productivity and creativity :) > > Love this stuph > > best > > Yuma > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: scripting voiceover
I have heard good things about Script Debugger. The website http://www.latenightsw.com/sd4/index.html is the home page for this program. I have no idea if it is usable with VoiceOver. THere are also links on this site for manipulating XML and plist files directly. plist files are used to store Apple preferences. Jonathan On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > 8 sep 2009 kl. 01.30 skrev Randy Stegall: > >> Where can those of us who do not know apple script find a beginner's >> guide? > > And are there tools either in the apple script editor or in other apps > that can help with syntax and such, like auto complete or wezards or > things that can help someone like me who consider themselves an idiot > when it comes to programming in any shape or form and who gets scared > by the word syntax. > /Krister > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Weird VO behavior
Hi David, Currently, you have to do the following to fix this issue: •Open VO Utilities and select the navigation category •Go to the pop-up menu to set how the VO cursor is linked with the mouse cursor, and set this to Ignore •When you have to mouse click with control-option-shift-space, first route the VO cursor and mouse cursor to the same position with control- option-command-F5 This procedure will remove your issues with the menus and sub menus for now. You should not need to turn QuickNav on or off etc etc. Take care, John André On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:36 PM, David Hole wrote: > > Hello folks. > Have anyone of you guys had problem with VO when browsing menus, and > sub > menus? > For example, when I go to the what ever application menu, and go > down to > services, I can't move up, down, left or right. I have to stop > interacting, and then I can go down in the menu, but not enter the sub > menu... Sometimes I can, with some luck... > This happens always when VO hits an item with a sub menu... > Hope anyone here on the list understands my problem... > > Kind regards David > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
voice over announcing screen attributes and colors in email
Hello, I have changed something in voice over that makes the program give screen colors and different fonts. I would appreciate knowing how to turn this information off. I am running the most recent voice over. Thanks very much for your help. larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Thanks, Anna. I'm swamped today, but will give it a try tomorrow. Best, Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna > Dresner > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:45 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating > ringtones > > > Hi Donna, > > The track you want needs to be playing or paused, and it's a good > ideal to press Control-L to bring focus to the currently playing song > before going into the LCD section. > > HTH, > Anna > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: > 09/08/09 06:48:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: finding playback position in ituens, was creating ringtones
Hi Donna, You're welcome. Most Mac users know about AppleScripts as something they can add to extend the functionality of their applications -- not as something they program. There is, for example, a huge repertoire of AppleScripts at a site called "AppleScripts for iTunes" that are donationware. Most of these are written by the site's owner, Douglas Adams. Up till last fall, when Apple gave users the ability to move tracks into the audiobooks library by editing tracks with "Get Info" (Command-I) and changing the Media Kind setting on the Options pane from "Music" to "Audiobooks", the standard way to turn tracks you had ripped (as AAC format) from CD into "Audiobooks" was to get the "MakeBookmarkable" AppleScript from this site, put it into your ~/ Library/iTunes/Scripts folder, and then highlight your tracks and select "MakeBookmarkable" from the AppleScript menu of iTunes. There are many other useful scripts for Mac users at that site that can be used to check for duplicates, put playlists into folders, replay the last bit around your current position in a track, etc. Anna's suggestion to use the LCD panel is useful if you have paused your track. This is a player status window above the songs table. If you start playing a track and then pause it midway (by using the space bar as a play/pause toggle key), you can stop interacting with the songs table, VO-Up arrow to the LCD section and interact, and then use VO-arrow keys to read off the song name and artist and other information like the elapsed time and the time remaining. The "Show Current Song" button in the LCD area highlights the currently playing song in the songs table. This can be useful if, after a a song has started playing, you continue to browse with your VO-arrow keys and highlight other tracks in the songs table. However, you're most likely to want to use the "Show Current Song" Command-L shortcut, which works from anywhere in iTunes. The shortcut works whether the track is actually playing or only paused. So, in trying to create a ringtone and determining the start and stop times to use, you can use the RestartAt AppleScript to set the start time for your ringtone, listen and pause the track where you want to end it, then check the elapsed time in the LCD panel and use that for the stop time that you enter on the options panel along with your start time. Then just play the track through and make minor adjustment to the start and stop times on the options pane. The LCD area can also be used to monitor syncing and downloads onto your iPod or iPhone. If you want an overview of iTunes, a good source (although it covers iTunes 7, not 8) is at Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver pages for this: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes7.html There are also some good descriptions of the most useful key combinations in his iTunes 6 write-up: http://homepage.mac.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes6.html Some of these details will not be accurate for iTunes 8, and there will be no mention of the newer features (such as the ability to copy, cut, and paste in playlists, or other additional features in the contextual menu, nor of the current ways to navigate the iTunes Store.) There are quite a lot of other good tips and tricks and information about other apps. Just check the sidebar of Tim's web page. Cheers, Esther Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Esther, > > Thanks so much for explaining all this. I hadn't really been > following the > Apple Scripts tread, figuring that was for users more advanced than > I. :) > > What about Anna's suggestion that this info can be found in the LCD > area? I > tried looking there, but only saw three items, Audiovisual, and a > couple of > others. But no play info. One of the buttons was something like Show > Current Song. I did press this, but nothing seemed to happen. > Best, > Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
LaCi Portable Drive
Hi Mark, Thanks. Do all the MacBook Pro's have a firewire port? I purchased a 15 inch system. Also, you referenced DLNA certification. Does this drive have that specification? Thanks. Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4406 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Recommendation from Mark regarding an outstanding Portable Fire Wire Drive
Hello All, I recently purchased a La Ci portable rugged 500GB Fire Wire drive that I highly recommend. The reviews on this device are impressive but not half so impressive as the device, itself. To learn more about it, Click the following URL. http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS124VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=ODAwNzYwNQ Enjoy, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Skype and Voice Over.
Hello Les, Click the following URL to learn all about this incredible fire wire drive. http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS124VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=ODAwNzYwNQ Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:47 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype and Voice Over. Hi Mark, I'm enjoying your posts as you enter the Mac world. As I expect my MacBook Pro today, I'll start my journey as well. I was unable to find the fire wire drive you referenced in your last message. I looked at Amazon and googled it, without getting any hits. Can you point me to the manufacturer of this drive? Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Skype and Voice Over. Hello Mike, Thank you for asking. Well, I am absolutely loving it. I feel as though entire new "Vistas" (get it?) have been opened up for me. The interaction between VoiceOver/Snow Leopard and Jaws/Windows is so different. While I have never driven a car, based on what I have heard from people over the years, VO is more like a stick-shift while Jaws is more like an automatic. People who prefer stick-shifts like it because they have more control over the car and are forced to interact with the car. I feel the same way about VoiceOver and I love it. As I told Cara the other day, I have gotten a lot of flack from Windows people who feel I have abandoned the cause. Nothing could be further from the truth; to me, I have merely expanded my proverbial horizons. While I am still taking baby steps, I am confident that Apple and Candle Shore will swim in the same ocean from now on. (Smile) By the way, I purchased a La Ci rugged portable 500GB Fire Wire drive for making backups and such. This is quite an impressive device, to say the least. Also, as I was out and about for extended periods of time this Labor Day weekend, I took my MacBook Pro along and I am happy to say that the Verizon Wireless USB Air Card functioned perfectly. The quality of this notebook is beyond belief. And, I still smile every time I use the Track Pad to engage the computer with iPhone VoiceOver command gestures. Oh, when I was in the Apple Store last week, I was told that one can use either the iPhone 3GS or the iPod Touch as a Track Pad interface with the Macs. Have you attempted this? I am told the software needed to accomplish this is already in the iTunes Store. One more thing, even though I am happy with the V M Ware Virtual Machine running Windows 7, I am toying with the idea of installing windows 7 via Boot Camp, again. I think I have a solution for the audio problem. By the way, the audio problem I experienced seems to be specific to the MacBook Pro. Of course, as windows 7 has not been officially released yet, many of us are jumping the gun on this one. Again, thank you for asking. Most Sincerely, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:32 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I > created a VO > Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. > > Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent > discussion. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > shame we can't script it in snowleopard? > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There really >> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >> from >> the keyboard. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts >>> here. >>> >>> Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut >>> for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut >>> for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the >>> "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. >>> >>> Next you must type the description of the function you wish to >>> create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example
Re: A Recommendation from Mark regarding an outstanding Portable Fire Wire Drive
I have one as well. It is a really nice drive. Small and quiet. Take Care John Panarese On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:42 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello All, > > I recently purchased a La Ci portable rugged 500GB Fire Wire drive > that I > highly recommend. The reviews on this device are impressive but not > half so > impressive as the device, itself. > > To learn more about it, Click the following URL. > > http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS124VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=ODAwNzYwNQ > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Migration Assistant not recognizing External Hard Drives
Hi Jonathan, Justin, and Others, There's a very good recent article at TidBITS about "How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk": http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307 The issue, as Jonathan mentions is that while you can copy files from other drives, even drives that were formatted for Windows, you can't migrate from drives that use a different format structure. What's even more confusing is that there are two Apple partitioning schemes depending on whether you use an Intel Mac (GUID partition table) or older PowerPC Mac (Apple partition table), and while you can boot an Intel Mac from a disk that was created with an Apple partition table, you can't perform system updates, etc. to such a disk. HTH Cheers, Esther On Sep 8, 2009, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > I have heard this can happen if the partition map on the external disk > is not Apple format. I have heard that when you first get an external > disk you should first "partition" it even if you are only going to use > one partition so that you are using Apple's prefered partition tables > and not another systems. > > I Heard on the Mac Jury list to select partition disk, then click on > options and then there should be a pop up menu to set the type of > partition mapping. > > I can't test this here right now. Perhaps Mark Taylor who just got a > new disk will be willing to test for us. > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > >> >> Hey everyone, I am stumped. I have just did a clean install of Snow >> Leopard. I tried running migration assistant, but the assistant >> doesn't seem to recognize the external hard drives I have plugged in. >> i was able to use them to make the back ups, and they show up in the >> side bar in the finder, but when I try to have it restore apps from >> the external drives, they don't show up. Anybody have any thoughts >> on >> why this is. Thanks so much for any feedback. >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Your opinions on Snow Leopard
Hi all, I am terrified of upgrading. My Macbook is my first experience with a screeneader, and I've taught myself by trial and error and by reading this board. I would like your opinions before I upgrade. Have the commands changed? Is it still basically the same with some new funtions? Will I be totally lost? Have you run into any annoying problems? Are you able to do everything you did before? Was the installation fairly easy? I would really like your help in easing my fears. Apple and VO have brought the internet and technology back to me since losing my vision, and I'm terribly afraid of change... Thanks, Randi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Your opinions on Snow Leopard
Snow lepard is an awesome os with new innovative features. You will love it. On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:47 PM, rayna424 wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am terrified of upgrading. My Macbook is my first experience with a > screeneader, and I've taught myself by trial and error and by reading > this board. I would like your opinions before I upgrade. > > Have the commands changed? Is it still basically the same with some > new funtions? Will I be totally lost? Have you run into any annoying > problems? Are you able to do everything you did before? Was the > installation fairly easy? > > I would really like your help in easing my fears. Apple and VO have > brought the internet and technology back to me since losing my vision, > and I'm terribly afraid of change... > > Thanks, > > Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
voice over menu script
Hi everyone, After reading quite a few things and testing out for myself, i've gotten to understand certain basics. I wrote this little piece of code to open up the voice over utility tell application "Finder" open application "VoiceOver Utility" end tell the script returns no error, the voice over utility opens fine, but it then gives me an error saying voice over utility has an error. When i get back to it, there is no problem navigating through it etc. next piece of code i'm thinking of adding is a get paremeters so i can trace where each of the grid rows and tabs are nested within the aipplication. But i wanted to know if anyone can emulate this error and tell me where i've gone wrong??? :) Baby steps, but big leap into this huge pool of possibilities best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Your opinions on Snow Leopard
Hi Randi, I have not upgraded myself yet, although from following messages on this list and doing my own research there have been a few problems with Snow Leopard, although it seems that at least some of them are solveable by tinkering with VoiceOver's settings. Also, Apple are planning to release an update soon. I hope this helps. The one thing I would really recommend is that you upgrade your Flash as when Apple released Snow Leopard they downgraded from the latest Flash which revealed some security holes. The latest version apparently fixes them. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Chantel Cuddemi" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Your opinions on Snow Leopard > > Snow lepard is an awesome os with new innovative features. > You will love it. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:47 PM, rayna424 wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am terrified of upgrading. My Macbook is my first experience with a >> screeneader, and I've taught myself by trial and error and by reading >> this board. I would like your opinions before I upgrade. >> >> Have the commands changed? Is it still basically the same with some >> new funtions? Will I be totally lost? Have you run into any annoying >> problems? Are you able to do everything you did before? Was the >> installation fairly easy? >> >> I would really like your help in easing my fears. Apple and VO have >> brought the internet and technology back to me since losing my vision, >> and I'm terribly afraid of change... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Randi >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Hello everyone, I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to have found this group as I have lots to learn. I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot get it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as voice over would just automatically read the message. This was especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread from an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. Now, since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or message content scroll area. Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. Thanks for any help. Christina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Hi Christina! I don't have a solution, but I wanted to welcome you to to this group. I've probably learned 80 percent of what i know about VO from this board. I haven't upgraded yet, because I'm scared and want to find out some stuff first from people who have upgraded. I didn't even know you could read messages in Mail that way. I always stop interacting with the messages table, and then interact with the message content scroll area, and then it reads the whole message. Is there something in mail preferences? Probably not, since those aren't VO preferences huh. I hope you get it figured out, and again, welcome! This group are experts!! Cheers, Randi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
project halted
Hi everyone, Just realized that i can't continue with my endeavor as i need SL to get the appropriate library suite for voice over. I was getting fired up though, such a shame. Hopefully tomorrow i will get the news that SL is in stock over at my random apple shop :) best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How to Solve Mac Mini Performance Issues without a Monitor [was Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly]
Hello Rich,
There are a number of different points that seem to have cropped up in
this thread and its discussion, including some misinformation and
comments that, when taken out of context, can be misleading. I'll try
to separate out these topics:
1. Mac Mini performance slow-down when used without a monitor
connected and the solution
You said:
I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading
quite
slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
solution?
Answer: This issue has been noted by other Mac users. Certain
applications like iTunes, Open Office, and Safari appear to slow down
when run without a monitor. Also, there are problems playing DVDs when
a monitor is not connected. Because the Mac Mini is sold without a
monitor, and visually impaired users may choose to use it this way,
these problems have cropped up for Mac Mini owners, but are not seen
by VoiceOver users with other Mac computers. The solution, that Dan
posted to this list more than three years ago, is to buy a $19.95
adapter that attaches to the Mini, and that
For older Mac Mini models manufactured before about February 2009, the
correct adapter to buy is:
• the "Apple DVI to Video Adapter":
http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A
For the newer Mac Mini models manufactured March 2009 and later, the
correct adapter to buy is:
• the "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter":
http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A
Neither of these adapters comes in the box with the Mac Mini, nor are
these the same adapters that you use to connect a Mac Mini to a
monitor. The monitor connector is either via a "Mini DisplayPort to
VGA Adapter" or "Mini-DVI to VGA Adapter" in the current models or via
a "DVI to VGA Adapter" for the Mac Minis made before March 2009. Once
again connecting a monitor connection without an actual monitor will
NOT solve the performance problems, because communication through
these connectors is bi-directional -- i.e., the Mac can tell when
there is no actual monitor connected at the other end through these
connectors.
The DVI or Mini-DVI Video Adapters allow you to connect to TVs, VCRs,
etc. that support S-video or composite video connections. You'll feel
a circular protruding connection end as compared with the flat end of
the VGA monitor connections. These work because your Mini only senses
that the connector is in place -- it does not look for a return signal
through the connector.
2. Kieren's comments have to do with the fact that the new Mini-DVI
Video Adapters do not not support an analog out signal so that you can
play movies and videos with older television sets, the way you can on
the older Mac Minis and MacBooks/MacBook Pros. This comment is
irrelevant to your purpose, since you do not intend to use a
television connected to your Mac Mini or, indeed, any other type of
display device. It would affect your plans if you had bought your Mac
Mini in order to use it as a staging device for storing and playing
digitized movies on you analog television set -- something that is
possible with the older models (which also have smaller hard drive
capacities for such storage.)
Hope this is all clear. There are problems using the Mac Mini without
a mouse or any of these other devices. And if you buy the correct
connector for your model Mac Mini, you will be able to play DVDs,
browse the web, use Open Office, and perform all other activities
without performance degradation and without having to buy a monitor.
If in doubt, an Apple store can identify which model Mini you have
from your serial number. Find it by going to "About this Mac" in the
Apple Menu on your menu bar (VO-M, then arrow down to "About this Mac"
and press return.) In the window that comes up, you should be on the
field that announces your system version number (e.g. 10.5.8 or
10.6.0), but you'll have to move off and then back to this field with
your VO+arrow keys (in Leopard) to hear it announced. Route your mouse
cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5) and double-click on
this field by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys and
tapping the space bar twice. Now when you VO-Right arrow and VO-Left
arrow back to this field you'll hear your serial number announced.
You can copy it with VO-Shift-C ("Last phrase copied to pasteboard")
and paste it into a TextEdit window with Command-V to keep a record.
Cheers,
Esther
On Sep 5, 2009, Rich Ring wrote:
>
> Please clarify this message, I am somehow not understanding what you
> are
> telling me here. I want to solve this problem if possible, and your
> help
> would be greatly appreciated.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kieren"
> To: "MacVisionaries"
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
>
>
>
> Just a quick note that the new 2009 Mac Mini's DO NOT have analog out
My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to get going! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How to Solve Mac Mini Performance Issues without a Monitor [was Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly]
Correction: I meant to say there are NO problems using the Mac Mini
without a mouse --- just buy the correct $19.95 connector -- depending
on whether you have a recent Mini with a Mini-DVI port or an older
(pre-March 2009) Mini with a regular DVI port -- and your performance
issues will be solved.
Esther
Esther wrote:
>
> Hello Rich,
>
> There are a number of different points that seem to have cropped up in
> this thread and its discussion, including some misinformation and
> comments that, when taken out of context, can be misleading. I'll try
> to separate out these topics:
>
> 1. Mac Mini performance slow-down when used without a monitor
> connected and the solution
> You said:
> I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading
> quite
> slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a
> solution?
> Answer: This issue has been noted by other Mac users. Certain
> applications like iTunes, Open Office, and Safari appear to slow down
> when run without a monitor. Also, there are problems playing DVDs when
> a monitor is not connected. Because the Mac Mini is sold without a
> monitor, and visually impaired users may choose to use it this way,
> these problems have cropped up for Mac Mini owners, but are not seen
> by VoiceOver users with other Mac computers. The solution, that Dan
> posted to this list more than three years ago, is to buy a $19.95
> adapter that attaches to the Mini, and that
>
> For older Mac Mini models manufactured before about February 2009, the
> correct adapter to buy is:
>
> • the "Apple DVI to Video Adapter":
> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A
>
> For the newer Mac Mini models manufactured March 2009 and later, the
> correct adapter to buy is:
>
> • the "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter":
> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A
>
> Neither of these adapters comes in the box with the Mac Mini, nor are
> these the same adapters that you use to connect a Mac Mini to a
> monitor. The monitor connector is either via a "Mini DisplayPort to
> VGA Adapter" or "Mini-DVI to VGA Adapter" in the current models or via
> a "DVI to VGA Adapter" for the Mac Minis made before March 2009. Once
> again connecting a monitor connection without an actual monitor will
> NOT solve the performance problems, because communication through
> these connectors is bi-directional -- i.e., the Mac can tell when
> there is no actual monitor connected at the other end through these
> connectors.
>
> The DVI or Mini-DVI Video Adapters allow you to connect to TVs, VCRs,
> etc. that support S-video or composite video connections. You'll feel
> a circular protruding connection end as compared with the flat end of
> the VGA monitor connections. These work because your Mini only senses
> that the connector is in place -- it does not look for a return signal
> through the connector.
>
> 2. Kieren's comments have to do with the fact that the new Mini-DVI
> Video Adapters do not not support an analog out signal so that you can
> play movies and videos with older television sets, the way you can on
> the older Mac Minis and MacBooks/MacBook Pros. This comment is
> irrelevant to your purpose, since you do not intend to use a
> television connected to your Mac Mini or, indeed, any other type of
> display device. It would affect your plans if you had bought your Mac
> Mini in order to use it as a staging device for storing and playing
> digitized movies on you analog television set -- something that is
> possible with the older models (which also have smaller hard drive
> capacities for such storage.)
>
> Hope this is all clear. There are problems using the Mac Mini without
> a mouse or any of these other devices. And if you buy the correct
> connector for your model Mac Mini, you will be able to play DVDs,
> browse the web, use Open Office, and perform all other activities
> without performance degradation and without having to buy a monitor.
> If in doubt, an Apple store can identify which model Mini you have
> from your serial number. Find it by going to "About this Mac" in the
> Apple Menu on your menu bar (VO-M, then arrow down to "About this Mac"
> and press return.) In the window that comes up, you should be on the
> field that announces your system version number (e.g. 10.5.8 or
> 10.6.0), but you'll have to move off and then back to this field with
> your VO+arrow keys (in Leopard) to hear it announced. Route your mouse
> cursor to your VoiceOver cursor (VO-Command-F5) and double-click on
> this field by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys and
> tapping the space bar twice. Now when you VO-Right arrow and VO-Left
> arrow back to this field you'll hear your serial number announced.
> You can copy it with VO-Shift-C ("Last phrase copied to pasteboard")
> and paste it into a TextEdit window with Command-V to keep a record.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2009, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>>
>> Please clarify this message, I am s
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Thanks for the welcome. :) I hope to learn from this group. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:39 AM, rayna424 wrote: > > Hi Christina! > > I don't have a solution, but I wanted to welcome you to to this group. > I've probably learned 80 percent of what i know about VO from this > board. I haven't upgraded yet, because I'm scared and want to find out > some stuff first from people who have upgraded. I didn't even know you > could read messages in Mail that way. I always stop interacting with > the messages table, and then interact with the message content scroll > area, and then it reads the whole message. Is there something in mail > preferences? Probably not, since those aren't VO preferences huh. I > hope you get it figured out, and again, welcome! This group are > experts!! > > Cheers, > Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Hi Christina, Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to either do one of the following after opening a message with the return key; •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys You will then hear your message read. As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this issue will be fixed soon. Take care, John André On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to have > found this group as I have lots to learn. > > I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail > message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I > have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot get > it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message > but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or > messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as > voice over would just automatically read the message. This was > especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread from > an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one > would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. Now, > since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first > sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or > message content scroll area. > > Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix > this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this > may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message > after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much > faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message > automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. > > Thanks for any help. > > Christina > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Data detector present
Hi all, In some of my e-mails voiceover announces "data detector present" every few words or sentences or so. Does anyone know why this might be happening? It's just kind of weird and I do not know what this means or how to stop this from occurring. I had never heard this before the upgrade. Any ideas? It does not seem to affect the performance but it is odd and somewhat annoying. Thanks so much, Christina --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Oh, I forgot to mention that since the upgrade to SL I am using vo plus right arrow to get voice over to read the entire message. I used to not have to do that. Is it this way for those who have upgraded or am I the only one experiencing this change. It's not the end of the world to have the extra keystrokes but I guess I was spoiled the other way, especially when reading a large stack of e-mails from a long thread/conversation. Have a great day, Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: > > Hi Christina, > > Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even > though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to > either do one of the following after opening a message with the return > key; > •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on > •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander > •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys > > You will then hear your message read. > > As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening > the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also > reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you > should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the > navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will > experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this > issue will be fixed soon. > > Take care, > John André > > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: > >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to >> have >> found this group as I have lots to learn. >> >> I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail >> message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I >> have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot >> get >> it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message >> but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or >> messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as >> voice over would just automatically read the message. This was >> especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread >> from >> an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one >> would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. >> Now, >> since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first >> sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or >> message content scroll area. >> >> Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix >> this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this >> may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message >> after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much >> faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message >> automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Christina >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
press v.o. j on the message, I do but it pauses at the end of each line On 8 Sep 2009, at 20:46, Christina wrote: > > Oh, I forgot to mention that since the upgrade to SL I am using vo > plus right arrow to get voice over to read the entire message. I used > to not have to do that. Is it this way for those who have upgraded or > am I the only one experiencing this change. It's not the end of the > world to have the extra keystrokes but I guess I was spoiled the other > way, especially when reading a large stack of e-mails from a long > thread/conversation. > > Have a great day, > Christina > On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: > >> >> Hi Christina, >> >> Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even >> though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to >> either do one of the following after opening a message with the >> return >> key; >> •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on >> •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander >> •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys >> >> You will then hear your message read. >> >> As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening >> the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also >> reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you >> should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the >> navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will >> experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this >> issue will be fixed soon. >> >> Take care, >> John André >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to >>> have >>> found this group as I have lots to learn. >>> >>> I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail >>> message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I >>> have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot >>> get >>> it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message >>> but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or >>> messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as >>> voice over would just automatically read the message. This was >>> especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread >>> from >>> an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one >>> would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. >>> Now, >>> since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the >>> first >>> sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or >>> message content scroll area. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix >>> this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this >>> may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message >>> after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much >>> faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message >>> automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Christina >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Hello. Are you using vo+j to jump between the message table and the message? Usually, when I'm in the message table, I hit vo+j to jump to a message I want to read. After I hit vo+j, VoiceOver usually starts reading the message. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Christina wrote: > > Oh, I forgot to mention that since the upgrade to SL I am using vo > plus right arrow to get voice over to read the entire message. I used > to not have to do that. Is it this way for those who have upgraded or > am I the only one experiencing this change. It's not the end of the > world to have the extra keystrokes but I guess I was spoiled the other > way, especially when reading a large stack of e-mails from a long > thread/conversation. > > Have a great day, > Christina > On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: > >> >> Hi Christina, >> >> Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even >> though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to >> either do one of the following after opening a message with the >> return >> key; >> •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on >> •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander >> •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys >> >> You will then hear your message read. >> >> As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening >> the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also >> reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you >> should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the >> navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will >> experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this >> issue will be fixed soon. >> >> Take care, >> John André >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to >>> have >>> found this group as I have lots to learn. >>> >>> I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail >>> message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I >>> have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot >>> get >>> it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message >>> but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or >>> messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as >>> voice over would just automatically read the message. This was >>> especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread >>> from >>> an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one >>> would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. >>> Now, >>> since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the >>> first >>> sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or >>> message content scroll area. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix >>> this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this >>> may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message >>> after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much >>> faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message >>> automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Christina >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac > Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my > disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally > useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the > Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail > today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am > back to square one. > > This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or > purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made > by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My > advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the > more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the > long run. > At least I got email to work. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >> and >> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >> external >> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >> learned >> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >> get going! >> >> Les >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4407 (20090908) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium issue
Are you entering your info correctly? On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > > Hi list. > My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try but > fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? > Thanks a bunch. > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Indeed it did. However, sluggish performance with Safari is the case whether this adapter is attached or not. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, dannyboy wrote: > > Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > >> >> You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac >> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my >> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally >> useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the >> Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail >> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am >> back to square one. >> >> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store >> or >> purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not >> made >> by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My >> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the >> more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in >> the >> long run. >> At least I got email to work. >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> >>> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >>> and >>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >>> external >>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >>> learned >>> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >>> get going! >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 4407 (20090908) __ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
ordering messages
Hi Everyone Can someone tell me how i can reverse the order of messages? i have the sort by date received but i want the last received message to be at the top of the list instead of the bottom. another nubie question i guess...shame on me best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Yes, vo plus j works great when it is a single message. However, when there is a thread it was easier to just hit enter and all the messages would open and voice over would automatically read the current message then when I closed the first message the second one would be automatically read by voiceover and this would continue until i got through the whole thread/conversation. VO plus J will not work where several messages are "stacked" together in a thread/conversation. Well, at least I do not know how to get vo plus j to work in a thread of messages. :) Like I said, it's not the end of the world that voicover is not automatically reading, I was spoiled before and I thought I had some setting changed or something which prevented me from using voiceover to read messages as I did before the upgrade to SL. Plus, I do think it's very weird that voiceover only reads the first sentence. :) Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:52 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > > Hello. Are you using vo+j to jump between the message table and the > message? Usually, when I'm in the message table, I hit vo+j to jump > to a message I want to read. After I hit vo+j, VoiceOver usually > starts reading the message. > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Christina wrote: > >> >> Oh, I forgot to mention that since the upgrade to SL I am using vo >> plus right arrow to get voice over to read the entire message. I >> used >> to not have to do that. Is it this way for those who have upgraded >> or >> am I the only one experiencing this change. It's not the end of the >> world to have the extra keystrokes but I guess I was spoiled the >> other >> way, especially when reading a large stack of e-mails from a long >> thread/conversation. >> >> Have a great day, >> Christina >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Christina, >>> >>> Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even >>> though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have >>> to >>> either do one of the following after opening a message with the >>> return >>> key; >>> •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav >>> on >>> •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander >>> •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys >>> >>> You will then hear your message read. >>> >>> As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening >>> the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also >>> reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, >>> you >>> should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the >>> navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will >>> experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this >>> issue will be fixed soon. >>> >>> Take care, >>> John André >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: >>> Hello everyone, I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to have found this group as I have lots to learn. I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot get it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as voice over would just automatically read the message. This was especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread from an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. Now, since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or message content scroll area. Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. Thanks for any help. Christina > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~-
adium issue
Hi list. My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try but fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? Thanks a bunch. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Here's my take on the whole script thing, while it does cause a bit of concern, I certainly have no plans to ask apple to remove this or any other voice over feature, that would be silly. Admitedly, I have no interest in using scripting at this point, but for those who want to try it, go for it. On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Thank you, all for your comments. That really puts my mind at ease. I > was not trying to complain, I was just trying to get some concerns out > there. IF people felt like I was complaining, that was not my > intention. So sorry if it came out like that. > Jes > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> >> I'd need to agree with this. >> >> It's ridiculous to encourage the abandonment of a feature simply >> because you yourself might not like it or want to use it. >> >> As long as it's not interfering with your use of the product, >> complaining about it is really moot at best, and detrimental at >> worst. >> >> Just because scripting is present, doesn't mean the entire VO >> paradigm is coming crashing down. :) >> >> If you'd like developers to pay attention to the quality of their >> products, then simply do as we've always done and offer them >> detailed, >> positive feedback and suggestions and there's no reason to expect >> they'd not work with us as they have in the past. >> >> I for one, really am glad that Snowie has all of the new features >> it does though. Personally I really, thankfully have no need to >> initiate apps from within keyboard commander, but having that ability >> may sure come in handy in ways I, at present, am not thinking of, so >> if that day comes, then terrific that I have access to this, and for >> now, I'll simply enjoy all of the other keyboard commander features >> as >> I do. >> >> I'm also personally really looking forward to scripting VO. The >> possibilities here are endless!… >> >> to get back to keyboard commander here for just one second, I >> personally am using it now for a couple of really cool things. >> >> • I have my right option key enabled and can press option / to >> route my mouse pointer really quickly. >> >> • I'm also using a key combo to switch quickly, on the fly, between >> groups and DOM modes. >> >> So this is really an important feature addition in my book. woohoo!… >> >> anyway, this is of course, just my two cents. So take it or leave >> it. :) >> >> Thanks very much for this discussion! You all super rock! >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> Follow me on Twitter! >> >> https://twitter.com/ModelCara >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >> >> >> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, >> then >> don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of >> VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, >> some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If >> that >> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an >> option. >> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com and share our thoughts on this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for > scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application > with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or > seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about > opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if > we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for > Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something > that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the > use > of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the > box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you > just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's > computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is > that > it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as > it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader > does
Re: Skype and Voice Over.
Hey Mark, I like your description of the difference between voice over and JFW. While some people may think that calling it a stick shift means it's not as good, this isn't the case it's just different. In many ways, you have much more control over what you hear and how it's spoken. And, voice over is the only screen reader that can be controlled with a touch pad. And really, using voice over this way will make the iphone a bit easier, and vise versa. I don't have an iphone or ipod touch, so haven't tested the software you mention. I'm glad the mac is working out for you, you're off to a great start. On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:50 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > Thank you for asking. > > Well, I am absolutely loving it. I feel as though entire new > "Vistas" (get > it?) have been opened up for me. > > The interaction between VoiceOver/Snow Leopard and Jaws/Windows is so > different. > > While I have never driven a car, based on what I have heard from > people over > the years, VO is more like a stick-shift while Jaws is more like an > automatic. People who prefer stick-shifts like it because they have > more > control over the car and are forced to interact with the car. I > feel the > same way about VoiceOver and I love it. > > As I told Cara the other day, I have gotten a lot of flack from > Windows > people who feel I have abandoned the cause. Nothing could be > further from > the truth; to me, I have merely expanded my proverbial horizons. > > While I am still taking baby steps, I am confident that Apple and > Candle > Shore will swim in the same ocean from now on. (Smile) > > By the way, I purchased a La Ci rugged portable 500GB Fire Wire > drive for > making backups and such. This is quite an impressive device, to say > the > least. > > Also, as I was out and about for extended periods of time this Labor > Day > weekend, I took my MacBook Pro along and I am happy to say that the > Verizon > Wireless USB Air Card functioned perfectly. The quality of this > notebook is > beyond belief. And, I still smile every time I use the Track Pad to > engage > the computer with iPhone VoiceOver command gestures. > > Oh, when I was in the Apple Store last week, I was told that one can > use > either the iPhone 3GS or the iPod Touch as a Track Pad interface > with the > Macs. Have you attempted this? I am told the software needed to > accomplish > this is already in the iTunes Store. > > > One more thing, even though I am happy with the V M Ware Virtual > Machine > running Windows 7, I am toying with the idea of installing windows 7 > via > Boot Camp, again. I think I have a solution for the audio problem. > By the > way, the audio problem I experienced seems to be specific to the > MacBook > Pro. Of course, as windows 7 has not been officially released yet, > many of > us are jumping the gun on this one. > > Again, thank you for asking. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:32 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. > > > Hey Mark, glad you got skype working. Well, let's see, you've had the > mac for about a week now, what do you think so far? > On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:18 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> >> Since I find that I am using Skype a great deal on the Mac, I >> created a VO >> Commander sequence that opens Skype. I use Right-Option+k. >> >> Big thanks to Cara for outlining this feature for me in a recent >> discussion. >> >> Mark >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas >> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:09 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Skype and Voice Over. >> >> >> shame we can't script it in snowleopard? >> >> On 7 Sep 2009, at 06:32, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> this has been a great thread - lots of good information. There >>> really >>> is no way to create a keyboard shortcut for answering a Skype call? >>> Too bad, as that would be the most useful Skype command to access >>> from >>> the keyboard. >>> >>> Best, >>> Anna >>> >>> >>> On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I read Johnathan's reply as well and I've created some shortcuts here. Firstly, you need to ensure that what you wish to create a shortcut for is in the menu system of Skype, for example creating a shortcut for "Answer" won't work because an "Answer" command is not in the "Call" menu, unlike the PC version of Skype. Next you must type the description of the function you wish to create a keyboard shortcut for as it appears, for example "Hang Up", is a command which appears in the "Call" menu of Skype and I've created a keyboard sho
Re: A Question About Snow Leopard Folders
I think this is more of a visual thing, it displays the folder springing open, I actually disabled this, as far as I know, it offers no advantage, and those processor cycles are better used for other things. On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:52 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > What are Spring Loaded Folders? > > > Thank you, > > Mark > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Thanks, So is this issue I'm having common and not just me? On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: > > Hi Christina, > > Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even > though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to > either do one of the following after opening a message with the return > key; > •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on > •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander > •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys > > You will then hear your message read. > > As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening > the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also > reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you > should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the > navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will > experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this > issue will be fixed soon. > > Take care, > John André > > > On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: > >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to >> have >> found this group as I have lots to learn. >> >> I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail >> message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I >> have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot >> get >> it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message >> but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or >> messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as >> voice over would just automatically read the message. This was >> especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread >> from >> an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one >> would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. >> Now, >> since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first >> sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or >> message content scroll area. >> >> Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix >> this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this >> may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message >> after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much >> faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message >> automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Christina >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Hi Rich, We have had confirmation from list members who have both the new (March 2009 and later) and old Mac Mini models that using either an "Apple DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of older Minis: http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A or an "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of the newer Minis: http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A works to solve performance problems of running without a monitor. There are many examples in the archives that the older adapter works for the old (pre-March 2009) Minis. For the new (March 2009 and later) Minis, here's a link to the archived post from Brett Sinnett reporting success: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05459.html An excerpt from his post: I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis. Note that Apple changed the connector from DVI to Mini-DVI as of the March 2009 Mac Mini models. That's why you have to order the connector model that is appropriate for your machine. If your connector doesn't fit, it may be that you ordered it for the wrong model Mac Mini. See if you can exchange it at your local Apple Store. Cheers, Esther Rich Ring wrote: > > You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac > Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my > disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally > useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the > Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail > today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am > back to square one. > > This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or > purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made > by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My > advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the > more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the > long run. > At least I got email to work. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >> and >> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >> external >> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >> learned >> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >> get going! >> >> Les >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4407 (20090908) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support > and > found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi > external > drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I > learned > that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to > get going! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4407 (20090908) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Hi Rich, I'm sorry you're experiencing the difficulties you are. Did you order the correct adapter for the newer Mac Mini you purchased? I recall a message from Ester referencing two different adapters, depending on when your system was built. I hope you get the issues resolved soon. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am back to square one. This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the long run. At least I got email to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support > and found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi > external drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. > Also, I learned that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm > excited to get going! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4407 (20090908) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4407 (20090908) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium issue
Yeah checked that too. On 2009-09-08, at 5:11 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: > > Do you have the latest version of adium? > On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > >> >> Yeah. I've tried the same info on windows live messenger on my >> windows >> vm and it works fine. >> On 2009-09-08, at 4:30 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: >> >>> >>> Are you entering your info correctly? >>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>> Hi list. My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try but fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? Thanks a bunch. > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Recommendation from Mark regarding an outstanding Portable Fire Wire Drive
Hey Mark, now that you have an external drive, you can use a program such as super duper or carbon copy cloner to back up your mac. The cool thing about these programs is, you can then boot off the external drive, and use all functions of the mac, even restoring back to your internal drive. Time machine is another backup option, you can't boot from a time machine backup, but you can restore your system using the snow leopard dvd, so it's still fully accessible. As far as I know, there is no fully accessible solution that will allow you to fully restore a windows system with speech. On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello All, > > I recently purchased a La Ci portable rugged 500GB Fire Wire drive > that I > highly recommend. The reviews on this device are impressive but not > half so > impressive as the device, itself. > > To learn more about it, Click the following URL. > > http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS124VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=ODAwNzYwNQ > > Enjoy, > > Mark > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium issue
Do you have the latest version of adium? On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > > Yeah. I've tried the same info on windows live messenger on my windows > vm and it works fine. > On 2009-09-08, at 4:30 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: > >> >> Are you entering your info correctly? >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi list. >>> My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try >>> but >>> fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? >>> Thanks a bunch. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ordering messages
Hi, vo plus shift plus the backslash/vertical line button. That is the key right of theright bracket/right brace key. That key is under my backspace button on my macbook. I hope that made sense. Christina On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > Can someone tell me how i can reverse the order of messages? i have > the sort by date received but i want the last received message to be > at the top of the list instead of the bottom. > > another nubie question i guess...shame on me > > best > > Yuma > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium issue
Okay try this. Try readding your account. Go to preferences, and go to the account button. From thee, you find your msn account. Interact with the accounts table, find your msn account, and stop interacting with the table. Then, go to the delete button, and press the yes button. On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > > Yeah checked that too. > > On 2009-09-08, at 5:11 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: > >> >> Do you have the latest version of adium? >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah. I've tried the same info on windows live messenger on my >>> windows >>> vm and it works fine. >>> On 2009-09-08, at 4:30 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: >>> Are you entering your info correctly? On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > > Hi list. > My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try > but > fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? > Thanks a bunch. > > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Recommendation from Mark regarding an outstanding Portable Fire Wire Drive
there are several, not saying windows is better at this, because it just isn't but there are several options for the windows side also. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Hey Mark, now that you have an external drive, you can use a program > such as super duper or carbon copy cloner to back up your mac. The > cool thing about these programs is, you can then boot off the external > drive, and use all functions of the mac, even restoring back to your > internal drive. Time machine is another backup option, you can't boot > from a time machine backup, but you can restore your system using the > snow leopard dvd, so it's still fully accessible. As far as I know, > there is no fully accessible solution that will allow you to fully > restore a windows system with speech. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:42 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> >> Hello All, >> >> I recently purchased a La Ci portable rugged 500GB Fire Wire drive >> that I >> highly recommend. The reviews on this device are impressive but not >> half so >> impressive as the device, itself. >> >> To learn more about it, Click the following URL. >> >> http://store.apple.com/us/product/TS124VC/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Nw&mco=ODAwNzYwNQ >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
They won't do it, because I purchased it by phone. I really wish I had been sent the correct adapter. Hopefully if I visit the Apple store, they will be able to furnish me with what I need. I would really like this to work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > We have had confirmation from list members who have both the new > (March 2009 and later) and old Mac Mini models that using either an > "Apple DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of older Minis: > http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A > or an "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of the newer > Minis: > http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A > works to solve performance problems of running without a monitor. > > There are many examples in the archives that the older adapter works > for the old (pre-March 2009) Minis. For the new (March 2009 and > later) Minis, here's a link to the archived post from Brett Sinnett > reporting success: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05459.html > > An excerpt from his post: > > I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I > hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and > browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the > Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It > appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis. > > Note that Apple changed the connector from DVI to Mini-DVI as of the > March 2009 Mac Mini models. That's why you have to order the > connector model that is appropriate for your machine. If your > connector doesn't fit, it may be that you ordered it for the wrong > model Mac Mini. See if you can exchange it at your local Apple Store. > Cheers, > Esther > > Rich Ring wrote: > >> >> You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac >> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my >> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally >> useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the >> Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail >> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am >> back to square one. >> >> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store >> or >> purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not >> made >> by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My >> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the >> more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in >> the >> long run. >> At least I got email to work. >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >> >>> >>> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >>> and >>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >>> external >>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >>> learned >>> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >>> get going! >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 4407 (20090908) __ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Your opinions on Snow Leopard
Hi. I've been using snow leopard now for about 2 weeks. You may want to check out my 2 newest pod casts on blind cool tech where we look at the install and new features of snow leopard. Everything you know still applies, so you won't get lost there, and the lay out of the operating system has not changed. Voice over has some great new features. As with any new system, there are a couple of minor issues, the main one I've noticed is, when going to certain web pages, voice over will just continue to say busy busy. Other than that, it works great. I've actually erased my backup of 10.5, and replaced it with a backup of my current system if that means anything. On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:47 PM, rayna424 wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am terrified of upgrading. My Macbook is my first experience with a > screeneader, and I've taught myself by trial and error and by reading > this board. I would like your opinions before I upgrade. > > Have the commands changed? Is it still basically the same with some > new funtions? Will I be totally lost? Have you run into any annoying > problems? Are you able to do everything you did before? Was the > installation fairly easy? > > I would really like your help in easing my fears. Apple and VO have > brought the internet and technology back to me since losing my vision, > and I'm terribly afraid of change... > > Thanks, > > Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: adium issue
Yeah. I've tried the same info on windows live messenger on my windows vm and it works fine. On 2009-09-08, at 4:30 PM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: > > Are you entering your info correctly? > On Sep 8, 2009, at 4:10 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > >> >> Hi list. >> My MSN account that is set up in adium won't sign in. It keeps try >> but >> fails. I'm running sl. Can anyone help? >> Thanks a bunch. >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
Hi, at the moment, try pressing v o a, that's what I do and it works well. On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Christina wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to have > found this group as I have lots to learn. > > I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail > message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I > have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot get > it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message > but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or > messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as > voice over would just automatically read the message. This was > especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread from > an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one > would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. Now, > since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the first > sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or > message content scroll area. > > Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix > this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this > may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message > after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much > faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message > automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. > > Thanks for any help. > > Christina > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Certainly this hard drive sounds good, remember that any usb external hard drive will also work, and usually these are a bit cheaper. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support > and > found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi > external > drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I > learned > that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to > get going! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4407 (20090908) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
You don't need to use apple monitors, any monitor will work. On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac > Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my > disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally > useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the > Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail > today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am > back to square one. > > This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or > purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made > by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My > advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the > more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the > long run. > At least I got email to work. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >> and >> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >> external >> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >> learned >> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >> get going! >> >> Les >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4407 (20090908) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
opening folders in transmit
Hello, I am using transmit for the first time today and I can download a folder in the root of an ftp site. I am not sure yet though how i can open folders and move to folders within that. I know i can open a folder in a new window but then if i want to navigate to one of it s subfolders the status menu does not seem to work. right arrow command right arrow or command-o dont seem to work to open folders.Can anyone help me with this because I want to be able to download specefic folders within an ftp site that are not neccessarily root folders and I cant do this at the moment. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
The apple stores do have these, that's where I got mine. On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > They won't do it, because I purchased it by phone. I really wish I > had been sent the correct adapter. Hopefully if I visit > the Apple store, they will be able to furnish me with what I need. > I would really like this to work. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Esther wrote: > >> >> Hi Rich, >> >> We have had confirmation from list members who have both the new >> (March 2009 and later) and old Mac Mini models that using either an >> "Apple DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of older Minis: >> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9267G/A >> or an "Apple Mini-DVI to Video Adapter" in the case of the newer >> Minis: >> http://store.apple.com/us/product/M9319G/A >> works to solve performance problems of running without a monitor. >> >> There are many examples in the archives that the older adapter works >> for the old (pre-March 2009) Minis. For the new (March 2009 and >> later) Minis, here's a link to the archived post from Brett Sinnett >> reporting success: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05459.html >> >> An excerpt from his post: >> >> I've done some further testing. Using the new 2009 model Mac Mini, I >> hooked up the Mini-DVI to video adapter and launched Safari and >> browsed a few pages. Then, I unplugged the adapter and restarted the >> Mini. Once again, I launched Safari. It was quite unresponsive. It >> appears this adapter still works on the new Mac Minis. >> >> Note that Apple changed the connector from DVI to Mini-DVI as of the >> March 2009 Mac Mini models. That's why you have to order the >> connector model that is appropriate for your machine. If your >> connector doesn't fit, it may be that you ordered it for the wrong >> model Mac Mini. See if you can exchange it at your local Apple >> Store. >> Cheers, >> Esther >> >> Rich Ring wrote: >> >>> >>> You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a >>> Mac >>> Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my >>> disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally >>> useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the >>> Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail >>> today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am >>> back to square one. >>> >>> This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store >>> or >>> purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not >>> made >>> by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My >>> advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of >>> the >>> more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in >>> the >>> long run. >>> At least I got email to work. >>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >>>> and >>>> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >>>> external >>>> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >>>> learned >>>> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >>>> get going! >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 4407 (20090908) __ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voiceover won't auto-read mail messages
I find that which ever way you use to read email, regardless of the method, in Snow Leopard, there are unnatural pauses, where Voice Over pauses at the end of each line, making for a very disjointed reading experience. This did not occur in Lepoard. Reading lengthy articles works great on the web, but it sure does not voice correctly in email. o Sep 8, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Christina wrote: > > Oh, I forgot to mention that since the upgrade to SL I am using vo > plus right arrow to get voice over to read the entire message. I used > to not have to do that. Is it this way for those who have upgraded or > am I the only one experiencing this change. It's not the end of the > world to have the extra keystrokes but I guess I was spoiled the other > way, especially when reading a large stack of e-mails from a long > thread/conversation. > > Have a great day, > Christina > On Sep 8, 2009, at 12:26 PM, John André Netland wrote: > >> >> Hi Christina, >> >> Welcome to the group, I am sure you will enjoy Snow Leopard, even >> though there are a couple of issues right now. Currently, you have to >> either do one of the following after opening a message with the >> return >> key; >> •press the right arrow once if you have VO keys locked or QuickNav on >> •press the 6 key once if you use the NumPad Commander >> •press control-option-right arrow once if you use the VO keys >> >> You will then hear your message read. >> >> As you will see if you press control-option-command-F5 after opening >> the message, moving the mouse cursor to the VO cursor location also >> reads your message, but as you also might have read on this list, you >> should currently set the mouse cursor to ignore the VO cursor in the >> navigation category of VO Utility, because you otherwise will >> experience strange happenings in menus and sub menus. I am sure this >> issue will be fixed soon. >> >> Take care, >> John André >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Christina wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I'm new to this group and this is my first post. :) I'm glad to >>> have >>> found this group as I have lots to learn. >>> >>> I upgraded to snow leopard. After the upgrade when I open a mail >>> message voice over will no longer automatically read the e-mail. I >>> have tried to change any setting I can think of and I still cannot >>> get >>> it to work. I realize I can just hit VO plus J to jump to a message >>> but I really prefer to hit return/enter to open the message or >>> messages that are in a thread. This used to work great for me as >>> voice over would just automatically read the message. This was >>> especially helpful if there were ten or more messages in a thread >>> from >>> an e-mail group. Every time I would close one message the next one >>> would also be automatically read until I had finished the stack. >>> Now, >>> since the upgrade, voice over will just read a few words or the >>> first >>> sentence then says nothing or says mail has new window, or text, or >>> message content scroll area. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this and does anyone know how to fix >>> this. I find it more cumbersome now to read messages. I know this >>> may seem small and I can get voiceover to read the entire message >>> after a few keystrokes but I really found it much easier and much >>> faster when voiceover just read the entire e-mail message >>> automatically rather than a few words or the first sentence only. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Christina >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: cursors
thanks Mike, mine are set as yours are. cheers Keith On 7 Sep 2009, at 14:48, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Hi, sure thing. Really there is no requirement here, but I will tell > you how mine is set. I have all 4 check boxes checked for the system > focus, voice over cursor and insertion point to follow each other. > This way, when you move the voice over cursor to an item such as an > edit box, your in the box, ready to type. I love that feature, it not > only works on the web, but in pretty much any window. It's great > because you can use the voice over cursor to read text in a dialog box > and when you get to a control you want to work with, your system focus > is already there waiting for you. When I have to use windows at work, > I really miss this feature. I don't have the mouse pointer set to > follow the voice over cursor, though you can press v o command f5 to > move the mouse to your voice over cursor. Some times you will need to > do this if you need to click on something that doesn't respond to the > voice over's perform action command. > On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:07 AM, Keith Brown wrote: > >> could someone give me a quick rundown as to how cursors should be >> set. thanks >> >> Keith >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4401 (20090906) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ordering messages
You need to be in the "date" column of the messages table. This is supposed to be a generic VO command to sort the order of any table. I have tried it in Mail and column mode of the finder. I think I might have tried it on a couple of other tables too. So to summarizesummerize: To sort a table move to the column you want to sort by and hit VO-| To reverse the sort hit a second time. Best of luck, Jonathan On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:25 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wr ote: > > Hi, > > I've also got a macbook. Right under the backspace is the | key but it > just goes ping, as in you're going nowhere :) > > VO shift | right? > > best > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Your opinions on Snow Leopard
Thanks guys! I think I'm gonna do what I always do with new tech stuff, and wait for the bugs to be worked out. Do you know if I buy it in say, a month, do they fix the bugs on the new install disks? Oh and how can I find your podcasts? Thanks, Randi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: ordering messages
Hi Jonathan, and CHristina I had hidden the date received column. Perhaps that had something to do with it. But it works now. Thanks you veily much best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
