Re: 3 features that hmm?
Well said John. When Vista came out, I wasn't impressed with it either, based on what I was hearing from people that were running it. I'd heard so many good things about the Mac, and the fact that I would have access to the mac right out of the box, without having to pay extra costs for a screen reader on top of the price of the mac, was also very compelling. As a result, I made the switch back in February of 2007, and haven't looked back since. I did use Windows occasionally and did have it installed in a VM, but I think with the improvements in Snow Leopard, i'll be using it even less. On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: > > I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no > hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac and, > specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in Tiger, I > have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users > towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users of > showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has > probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore > members of the blindness organization of "circling the wagons" or > "protecting ones own", and I think anyone who tries to claim otherwise > is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow Leopard is only > going to create more shrill and vitriolic responses in regard to > Apple's efforts, and never any slightest acknowledgement of the "good" > it is doing for the blind. > > Now, the one thing that is apparently overlooked is that many of > us on this list and others who have been using the Mac are either > former Windows users or, like myself, still use Windows. I will admit > without hesitation that I take shots at Windows and openly criticize > Microsoft, but having used Windows for some 13 years, I surely feel > that I am qualified to do so and can speak about the shortcomings of > Windows quite knowledgeably. This is not arrogance or anything else > on my part. This is simply experience and the difference I have found > in using the Mac. Yes, the "dark side" might be too strong of a term, > yet, at the same time, it is like night and day. No viruses, spam, > crashes and other Windows instability issues Windows users just seem > to tolerate and accept as being "normal". If anything, Vista > completely turned me off from windows forever, and I am not impressed > by Windows 7 at all at this point. > > With that all said, however, again, it must also be noted that > companies like, GW Micro, Serotek and Freedom Scientific have done a > considerable amount of good for the blind. Windows screen reader > developers often receive a great deal of criticism and grumbling from > their own user base. I know that accessibility and Microsoft are > often quite challenging from what I have been privately told by both > GW Micro and FS people. Thus, I would never be one to take anything > away from Windows access efforts, as that was my introduction to > computers and it carried me through may years. Many folks, either by > circumstance or choice, still use Windows, and that will probably not > change, other than, perhaps, the choice part of the equation. > > In regard to the three features that are the topic of this > thread, I don't personally find a need to go back to the old Windows > way of editing. It was difficult to become adjusted to the Mac way at > the start, but it makes far more sense to me than the Windows way. I > don't need a webpage read to me in its entirety at any time, but I > really think the summarization of the elements on a site is > particularly useful. However, the one thing that us longer time Mac > users and even many newer ones understand, the beauty of the Mac > experience is that we are given more than one way to accomplish a > task. If these additions to Snow Leopard assist and ease the > transition for a Windows user to the Mac, overall, I think that it is > a good thing. Customization has increased quite a bit in Snow > Leopard, so whatever is comfortable to you is obviously what you use. > This also goes, btw, for your choice of access tools as well, whether > it be the Mac, Windows or Linux. It is just a matter of myself having > chosen the Mac way as being superior in more than enough ways to make > it my tool of choice. > > > Take Care > > John Panarese > > On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:21 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> No you are right, NFB and other blindnes organizations who >> supposedly hvae >> our best interests at heart are very narrow minded when it coems to >> technological matters as well as others. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Les Kriegler" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:09 PM >> Subject: RE: 3 features that hmm? >> >> >>> >>> Hi Donna and All, >>> >>> I'll offer my opinion as a current Windows user. As I enter >>> MacLand, one >>> of >>> the most valuable benefits of this l
Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc
can you send the manual to me off list? On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, > which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add > folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused on > the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard > with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd > sharethat tip that I found. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Preview navigation and Adobe Reader with VoiceOver [was Re: quickly junping from page to page in preview]
It's true that you cannot save/export files into text but you can easily highlight the entire document with command+A and copy with command+c and then paste into textedit and save it this way. I regularly do this. Best wishes, Simon On 30 Aug 2009, at 23:50, Maurice Mines wrote: > > the problem is you can't save a file in text like the windows veration > of adoby please forgive the my spelling I have a rittenexpation > disorder. maurice ham call sine kd0iko. > On Aug 30, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: > >> >> it's native to the mac OS. And actually much better than acrobat >> reader. >> >> Best >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hello Everyone, What a wealth of information I have learned from this list, today. I have found answers to questins I haven't even asked, yet. (Smile) Today, I decided to delete my Windows 7 Bootcamp partition. Windows 7 ran beautifully along with Jaws but there was a minor glitch in some of the audio that I was unable to resolve with regard to the MacBook Pro speakers. To be quite honest, I most likely could have resolved it but I found that the thought of booting into Windows on my Mac kind of irked me. I have enough Windows computers in my house without adding another one. So, I am back at square one with regard to Windows 7 and Mac. And thus, the following question: Which virtual machine software do you recommend I use for the best Jaws 10 and Windows 7 functionality? Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. All of my sighted Mac friends strongly recommend V M Ware but they have no idea about Jaws functionality, of course; so I turn to you. I know that this list is very high traffic so you only need write which one you recommend; there is no need to explain why you recommend one over the other unless you have time to do so. When in a virtual machine, can one continue to use VoiceOver? I'm a little confused on when one would use VO and when one must use Jaws in the virtual machine. By the way, I know that running Windows 7 in a virtual machine is a bit off-topic for this list so if those of you who are currently doing something similar wouldn't mind, I will be glad to communicate off-list. I understand that my questions may require some very detailed answers and that you may not have time to write it up; I mean, some of these answers can read like a novel and so, I will be happy to call anyone via telephone to talk about this matter. Which ever way is convenient for you to respond, just let me know, OK? My main goal this week is to setup all of my email accounts and begin using my Mac exclusively for all communication. Oh yes, I also plan on installing Skype and setting it up as well. One more thing, today I added a Macintosh category to the Candle Shore BLOG. Someday, I hope to be able to contribute to the Macintosh body of knowledge. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc
Does one have to request the manual for snowleopard from accessibility directly, or is it available on the accessibility page? On 31 Aug 2009, at 08:22, william lomas wrote: > > can you send the manual to me off list? > > On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > >> >> Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, >> which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add >> folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused >> on >> the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard >> with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd >> sharethat tip that I found. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : > Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware > but I > realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to > favor those > companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Getting Started Manual
AS of yesterday, I didn't see it posted on the Apple site. I did contact Apple about a braille version. It is being translated and should be available in about 3 weeks according to the e-mail I received. Also, we'll have a different phone number to request it as opposed to the AppleCare number. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Cavendish Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:39 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A nice keystroke that we have now to add folders do the doc Does one have to request the manual for snowleopard from accessibility directly, or is it available on the accessibility page? On 31 Aug 2009, at 08:22, william lomas wrote: > > can you send the manual to me off list? > > On 31 Aug 2009, at 07:37, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > >> >> Hi all, found this in the VO getting started manual for Snow Leopard, >> which you can request from Apple accessibility, that we can now add >> folders to the doc, at the press of a keystroke, when we're focused >> on >> the folder. This was definitely something we couldn't do in Leopard >> with ease. That keystroke is command-shift t. Just thought i'd >> sharethat tip that I found. >> >> >>> > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4382 (20090830) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi. I have tried vmware fusion with windows xp as a virtual machine with jaws 9 and it works very well. I can use jaws in widnows and voice over together but voice over takes control over some keys so to get most commands out of jaws I focused on the virtual machine and when it is running and jaws working I hit command-f5 and turned v o off. Doing so let me run jaws with the laptop layout and caps lock works as the jaws key for example. The only thing I can't get to work is some function keys like f11 and f12 so I can't bring up jaws systray dialog with jawskey + f11 for example. I'm only using this virtual machine for a few programs that don't exest on mac, for example echolink for hamradio. So I think it works very well with vmware fusion and voice over. The only thing I didn't manage to get working is ubuntu under vmware. Oh, forgot to say when you need voice over simply press command-f5 again. Hope that helps. You are welcome off list to me if you want to ask anything else. I'm not a mac guru but I more then happy to share my knowledge as far as I can. Regards Tony 2009/8/31, M. Taylor : > > Hello Everyone, > > What a wealth of information I have learned from this list, today. I have > found answers to questins I haven't even asked, yet. (Smile) > > Today, I decided to delete my Windows 7 Bootcamp partition. Windows 7 ran > beautifully along with Jaws but there was a minor glitch in some of the > audio that I was unable to resolve with regard to the MacBook Pro speakers. > To be quite honest, I most likely could have resolved it but I found that > the thought of booting into Windows on my Mac kind of irked me. I have > enough Windows computers in my house without adding another one. > > So, I am back at square one with regard to Windows 7 and Mac. And thus, the > following question: > > Which virtual machine software do you recommend I use for the best Jaws 10 > and Windows 7 functionality? > > Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware but I > realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to favor those > companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. > > All of my sighted Mac friends strongly recommend V M Ware but they have no > idea about Jaws functionality, of course; so I turn to you. > > I know that this list is very high traffic so you only need write which one > you recommend; there is no need to explain why you recommend one over the > other unless you have time to do so. > > When in a virtual machine, can one continue to use VoiceOver? I'm a little > confused on when one would use VO and when one must use Jaws in the virtual > machine. > > By the way, I know that running Windows 7 in a virtual machine is a bit > off-topic for this list so if those of you who are currently doing something > similar wouldn't mind, I will be glad to communicate off-list. > > I understand that my questions may require some very detailed answers and > that you may not have time to write it up; I mean, some of these answers can > read like a novel and so, I will be happy to call anyone via telephone to > talk about this matter. Which ever way is convenient for you to respond, > just let me know, OK? > > My main goal this week is to setup all of my email accounts and begin using > my Mac exclusively for all communication. Oh yes, I also plan on installing > Skype and setting it up as well. > > One more thing, today I added a Macintosh category to the Candle Shore BLOG. > Someday, I hope to be able to contribute to the Macintosh body of knowledge. > > > Mark > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
To Jonathan: Setting Up A Cross Platform Home Network
Hello Jonathan, Windows 7 makes use of a file sharing system unfortunately referred to as Libraries. I say "unfortunately" because the word Libraries can mean so many things and new users have an understandably difficult time learning how Windows 7 uses them. For example, these Libraries are virtual. "Yeah, like that means anything, these days, right?" (Smile) In short, it is now possible to easily setup an ad-hock network using the Windows 7 Libraries. While I would not recommend anyone do this, I wanted to see how accessible it would be from a Macintosh. This should not be of any concern to you for, in reality, all you need do is use a network attached drive to quickly and easily share files on your home network. Jonathan, make sure any drive you purchase is DLNA certified. DLNA stands for Digital Living Network Alliance. This certification is very important. Take it from me. I have three network attached storage devices and the first one I purchase is not DLNA because I did not know of such a thing. While I continue to use the non-DLNA drive for file archives, it is terrible with regard to streaming media files and network access seek time. In some instances, QuickTime will not access the files correctly. So, whatever you do, make sure the drive you purchase has DLNA certification and then you will know that it will work with media files on Mac, Windows, etc. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan C. Cohn Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question Mark, Probably off topic, but what are you using the Network groups for? I havn't spent much time configuring macs for use on a shared network, but since I am going to buy a large disk drive soon, and have intentions of allowing family to float from computer to computer without losing their documents, and the ability to share files as appropriate. (Music libraries perhaps without iTunes sharing. I decided to ask. Jon On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:23 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but > enough > to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. > > 1. > I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred > home > page. > > 2. > I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers > are all > now sharing the same media library. > > 3. > I configured the startup setting options and created some new > accounts and > configured some network workgroups. > > 4. > I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to > the Net > when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've > installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect > that > had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. > > 5. > I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 > gigs > for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows > computer > until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I > installed it > for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the > future. I > was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the > correct > drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. > This Mac > is a beautiful thing. > > I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I > just wanted > to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far > it's a > great experience. > > One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a > must. In > fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to > pale in > comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I > would be > this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the > saying goes, "Never say Never." > > Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS > VoiceOver > gestures on the MacBook track pad. > > I have a question about Safari: > > Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it > takes > up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? > Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot > get the > Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. > > Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Mark > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~-
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
so you mark the stuff you want to work with? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, delete, copy to clipboard and so on. On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing "m" during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the "markers" window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the "Auto Generate Markers" option in the "Selection" menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
That's right! On 31/08/2009, at 6:23 PM, hank smith wrote: > so you mark the stuff you want to work with? > - Original Message - > From: Dane Trethowan > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking > > The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once > you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply > your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, > delete, copy to clipboard and so on. > > > On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: > >> how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc >> - Original Message - >> From: Dane Trethowan >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM >> Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking >> >> Hi! >> >> Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. >> >> A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking >> with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind >> at ease, pressing "m" during record, playback or stop mode will >> place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or >> option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into >> the "markers" window to make fine adjustments to the positions of >> your markers, name them and so on. you can use the "Auto Generate >> Markers" option in the "Selection" menu to have Amadeus Pro auto >> generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >> Phone United Kingdom >> 02032874641 >> Phone Australia >> 0390058589 >> Phone United States >> 8159261869 >> Fax: >> +61 3 9743 7954x >> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >> skype:grtdane12 >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
how do you use that with vo? I couldn't get it to work last I tried that - Original Message - From: "JC Helary" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : > Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware > but I > realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to > favor those > companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: http://www.virtualbox.org/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
how do you back and forward threw markers? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking That's right! On 31/08/2009, at 6:23 PM, hank smith wrote: so you mark the stuff you want to work with? - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, delete, copy to clipboard and so on. On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing "m" during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the "markers" window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the "Auto Generate Markers" option in the "Selection" menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking
Us option-left and right arrows to move your insertion point between them, use command-left and right arrows to extend selection from current marker to previous or next marker. On 31/08/2009, at 6:39 PM, hank smith wrote: > how do you back and forward threw markers? > - Original Message - > From: Dane Trethowan > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking > > That's right! > > > On 31/08/2009, at 6:23 PM, hank smith wrote: > >> so you mark the stuff you want to work with? >> - Original Message - >> From: Dane Trethowan >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:40 PM >> Subject: Re: Amadeus Pro: Marking >> >> The markers by default form the boundaries of your selection, once >> you have the piece of audio selected you want to work on then apply >> your effects, EQ for example or move your audio to clipboard, >> delete, copy to clipboard and so on. >> >> >> On 31/08/2009, at 8:16 AM, hank smith wrote: >> >>> how do you remove audio eg edit out words etc etc >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Dane Trethowan >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:19 AM >>> Subject: Amadeus Pro: Marking >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. >>> >>> A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking >>> with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their >>> mind at ease, pressing "m" during record, playback or stop mode >>> will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option- >>> left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can >>> go into the "markers" window to make fine adjustments to the >>> positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the >>> "Auto Generate Markers" option in the "Selection" menu to have >>> Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent >>> gaps for example. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Dane Trethowan >>> From Melton Victoria Australia >>> mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane >>> blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com >>> Phone United Kingdom >>> 02032874641 >>> Phone Australia >>> 0390058589 >>> Phone United States >>> 8159261869 >>> Fax: >>> +61 3 9743 7954x >>> MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net >>> skype:grtdane12 >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Le 31 août 2009 à 17:37, hank smith a écrit : > > how do you use that with vo? > I couldn't get it to work last I tried that Apologies. It was just a virtual machine suggestion. I did not intend to say it worked with VO. In fact I am pretty sure you'll only be able to use VO to access the VM software, but not its contents. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Mark, You'll be wanting to give Vmware Fusion a try I think. Virtual Box is free, and fairly usable true, but Vmware Fusion is by far the most accessible and well rounded product out of these 3. With your email address being what it is it's safe for me to assume you're in education of some sort, which means you should be able to pick up Fusion for $40 last I checked. Re which screen reader to use when, basically you'd use VO whenever you're highlighted on and performing something in Mac OS, your Windows screen reader of choice whenever you're focused on or performing something in Windows. Switching between the two OS's in Fusion is a synch, simply alt tab to Fusion, grab keyboard input with command-G and your mac will largely forget it's a mac until you tell it to remember. Both OS's are fully functional in the background when you're not focused on them, so it's very possible on a powerful machine to have the best of both worlds simultaneously. the one thing I'd say about Virtualisation is that, even though we're now running native on Intel chips, it still takes a slight performance hit with every system I've seen. You'll notice a slight lag or sluggishness in Windows Virtualised if you're fussy about performance, but for everyday tasks and assuming you're mainly going to be using Mac OS, the convenience outweighs the sluggishness. If however the remaining stuff you use Windows for is very system intensive, Boot Camp was probably your best option, but let's hope not eh. hth Scott On 8/31/09, hank smith wrote: > > how do you use that with vo? > I couldn't get it to work last I tried that > - Original Message - > From: "JC Helary" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop > > > > > Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : > >> Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware >> but I >> realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to >> favor those >> companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. > > I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: > http://www.virtualbox.org/ > > Jean-Christophe Helary > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
welcome dialog
Hi for the person who did not want to be told to learn voiceover, at startup each time, turn it off in the general utilities settings of voice over --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voiceover getting stuck in submenus?
Please be sure to report this, so it can be addressed. Send a note to accessibil...@apple.com . I have noticed some odd behavior, but not exactly as you are experiencing, but yet behavior that should not be occurring. tnx, On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:41 PM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > Has anybody noticed that voiceover now gets stuck in submenus in snow > leopard? For instance, when I am in mail, and I go to the mailbox > menu, I can move through the options until I get to the online status > submenu. At this point, hitting the up, down, left, and right arrows > simply repeat the words online status submenu. There does not seem to > be a way to get past this. This is also true with other submenus, such > as those in the finder. > Note: I saw a message about this earlier, and tried turning voiceover > on and off quickly. This did not seem to help. Anybody else notice > this? > > Thanks, > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Thanks Anne, I think I did indeed. On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Scott, > > I think you must have missed my earlier post on this subject. > > The pauses are caused by new line characters. I think this was > introduced to make the reading of documents, containing lists with > their items only separated by new line characters, make more sense. > > You notice this when reading a table of contents. It often sounds as > though the page number is the chapter number because there is just a > new line character between them. > > Cheers, > > Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Snow leopard - bug, feature or something inbetween?
Yeah, i could do that, problem is then that if i have to navigate with the mouse, i don't get any feedback. I've reported this to Apple a11y team, let's see what they say. I have solved the problem by setting mouse pointer to move vo cursor. /Krister 31 aug 2009 kl. 02.37 skrev Steven M. Sawczyn: > > Try unchecking vo cursor follows mouse pointer, that should get you > all fixed up. Come to think of it, I'd uncheck both vo cursor follows > mouse and mouse follows vo cursor. > > HTH, > > Steve > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > hi good people out there in Apple land. > I have just installed the new Snow Leopard yesterday and am very > impressed with what it has done for us blind folks, however i have a > question about a thing i noticed whilst doing the first steps in SL. > There's a feature that lets you hear text that's under the mouse after > a certain amount of time, however, if i have this checkbox checked i > find that text gets read two or sometimes three or more times and that > happens for every move i make with the VO arrow keys. This is, i > believe, because the cursor tracking feature is turned on. However if > i uncheck this box, which i have done now, i don't get any feedback at > all when moving the mouse, which is unfortunate at times when i want > text under the mouse read. What gives here? How do other folks cope > with this problem? Is it a bug or a feature? > Thankful for any answers. > /Krister > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One more Question: Followers in Syrinx?
Hey. I also want to know this and if there's a way to block those following me directly from the syrinx client. Would be great if that could be done. /Krister 31 aug 2009 kl. 07.22 skrev terre...@terrencevak.net: > One other question if I may: does anyone know of a way to view > followers > in Syrinx? I can find the people I'm following just fine, but not > those > who are following me. > > Thanks yet again, > Terrence > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
spaces in snowleopard?
Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: for the price
the nice thing about the touch is that if you are generally around WiFi networks you do not need to pay AT&T for the 3G service which, as a monthly fee, adds up to be a bundle for a year. Recently, I had a very peculiar experience with At&T. I was making a few changes in my account, most prominently upgrading to an unlimited voice plan. Once that was completed, I checked the box on my account's web page to turn on international dialing. I was informed that I had to talk to them on the phone at some numbr. So, I called the number on the web site. When the phone picked up, I was put on hold for about a half hour. Then a cranky sounding woman picked up and started interrogating me. The oddest thing was that she was asking questions to which she should not have the answers: "Where were you living when your Social Security card was issued?" "Have you ever worked in Detroit, Troy, NY or Oxford Mississippi?" (the answer was none of the above - what's up with the trick questions?" - none of the normal "mother's maiden name, etc. this went on for about twenty minutes until the lady told me I could make international calls (a requirement for the work I do). So, if our country has me on a domestic spying list, they have assigned some poor intelligence figure to waste a whole lot of time reading boring emails and listening to even more boring phone calls. Happy Hacking, cdh On Aug 30, 2009, at 1:43 PM, william lomas wrote: > > hi will people get the IPod touch if it has speech or for the > possibly high price, just get an i phone? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
built-in scanner and printer drivers
Hello, in my effort to switch over to the mc i today tried to print a.doc form on the mac because ms-word is not installed on my pc yet (it was just reinstalled before I got the mac and i did not do it yet). So I went to the hp site to get my printer driver for the hp5590, since it had heading i had to interact with them to go to the link but i knew i had to do it so it went fine. But, the driver was TOTALLY unaccessible, voicover did not say anything at all when i opened the app. It is from 2006 so maybe thats the reason. But then i thought what the heck, i plugged in my printer via usb, opened openofrfice and the document in question and WHAM it worked! No drivers needed. Now i wonder, will this be the seem for my hp scanner? Oh yes adium now works good for me as well, if i close the contacts window. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
I just found out yesterday that I'll be traveling to South India for an NGO to open an office, hire a handful of blind programmers, a driver for them and get them started working on free software projects of all kinds. With so many US based hackers out of work, I feel a little bad about bringing work to Asia. The reason, though, is that we cannot find qualified blind people to hire here to work on a screen reader and other cool ideas we have. India has done a pretty good job of educating people with vision impairment, even in technology areas like software engineering. Sadly, their corporate culture hasn't changed enough to start hiring these people so one can find a computer science PhD without vision or a decent job. We hope to get these people working and get some publicity around it so Indian businesses might see what great things we blinks can do! Happy Hacking, cdh On Aug 30, 2009, at 6:20 PM, hank smith wrote: > awesome > my fear was that orca was going to die > and I don't want to see that it has come a long way > - Original Message - > From: Chris Hofstader > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:30 AM > Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot > > >> Hank asked: does that mean orca will die in linux to? > > cdh replies: > > The beauty of free software like orca versus proprietary software > like JAWS (for instance) is that although Sun Microsystems has led > the orca development, virtually any hacker or group thereof can take > the source and continue the project. The nation of Brazil has > elected to standardize all of its government owned and operated > computing devices on free, GNU/Linuxoperating systems. They > have two major reasons: the first, they fear that Apple and/or > Microsoft may have built in some code into Windows and OSX to spy > for the American government. Given the human rights record > demonstrated by Yahoo and others spying for the Chinese government, > why not think that the two biggest OS vendors may be helping out > Uncle Sam? > > With the GNU/Linux OS, they have every line of source code and their > own security personnel can go through one line at a time and make > sure no such code exists before the Brazilian secrets show up at > Fort Mead. > > The second reason is price. A GNU/Linux distribution will run > pretty nicely on a clunky, single core, 32 bit used Dell; Snow > Leopard and Windows 7 require pretty hefty hardware to be used > effectively. > > The orca question comes in as Brazil has laws regarding people with > disabilities that are far stronger than our wimpy ADA and their laws > include explicit language about technology. So, while Sun is > organizing the project, Brazil and other nations are contributing > hackers to the project to help keep it moving forward. > > There are a number of other governments making similar decisions for > similar reasons - after our government got caught spying on > Americans, all credibility that we were not spying on everyone else > flew out the window and closed and complicated technology is in the > James Bond book of tricks. > > Those of us who get to use Macintosh and even Windows with our > screen reader of choice really need to realize just how fortunate we > are. I spend a fair amount of time in Ubuntu with orca and, often, > emacspeak. The latter is highly stable and crusty old farts like me > still remember a large portion of the complex emacs keystroke > catalogue. Orca does a not bad job in a few high profile programs > but, because few developers are coding to the gnome standard and, > therefore, few programs support the excellent gnome accessibility > API, orca gets a lot less "for free" than Macintosh or Windows. > > For we who write programs or test systems on GNU/Linux platforms, it > is pretty good as it has fully accessible tools fart in excess of > anything Mac or Windows offer. For most others who need orca, > though, it is a bit clunky and often unstable. > > I'd love to suggest that we all walk away from the world of > proprietary software but, developing for niche audiences like us > blinks fails to meet the critical mass necessary to sustain a world > of free software hackers like the server tools, Apache, etc. > > So, while we love to praise Apple and boo Microsoft, they are really > the only alternatives for blinks who don't want to spend a whole lot > of time fixing their environment. > > cdh > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~-
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and so it is not a priority perhaps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > > Hi all, > > In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to > switch between applications running in the current space? > I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps > in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through > all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus > on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes > sense. > Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I > also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these > apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, > getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and > would have been if the software was riggorously tested. > Just my opinions, > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: ipod touch
Count me in for the Touch also. > From: ho...@thedividingline.com > Subject: Re: ipod touch > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:27:46 -0500 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > > Hi. I'm definitely planning to buy the ipod touch if it has speech. > I'm really really really hoping it does actually because I can't use > the iphone in my area. > Holly > On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:43 PM, william lomas wrote: > > > > > hi Will people if it has it, be buying the new IPod touch if it has > > speech or for the pric, just get the IPhone instead > > WIll > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
can I point out not all of us are experiencing these bugs if the cursors have been sorted. I can navigate just as I did, if not better now in SL than I did in leopard. People should maybe test their settings as some of these have certainly changed. On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > > Hi all, > > In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to > switch between applications running in the current space? > I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps > in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through > all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus > on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes > sense. > Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I > also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these > apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, > getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and > would have been if the software was riggorously tested. > Just my opinions, > Will > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
always a good idea. also I read your blog entry, good stuff. That business with the insertion point, is it a toggleable option? I've gotten more comfortable with the way apple does this and would like to see it remain if the nanny-state feature could be turned off. On 31-Aug-09, at 8:18 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > can I point out not all of us are experiencing these bugs if the > cursors have been sorted. I can navigate just as I did, if not better > now in SL than I did in leopard. People should maybe test their > settings as some of these have certainly changed. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to >> switch between applications running in the current space? >> I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps >> in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through >> all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus >> on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes >> sense. >> Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I >> also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these >> apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, >> getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and >> would have been if the software was riggorously tested. >> Just my opinions, >> Will >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
testing settings
just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
yes it is toggable and thank you. good thing with apple, I still say this, they give us choice. I too prefer the apple way :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:27 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > > always a good idea. > > also I read your blog entry, good stuff. That business with the > insertion point, is it a toggleable option? > > I've gotten more comfortable with the way apple does this and would > like to see it remain if the nanny-state feature could be turned off. > On 31-Aug-09, at 8:18 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> can I point out not all of us are experiencing these bugs if the >> cursors have been sorted. I can navigate just as I did, if not better >> now in SL than I did in leopard. People should maybe test their >> settings as some of these have certainly changed. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to >>> switch between applications running in the current space? >>> I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 >>> aps >>> in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle >>> through >>> all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples >>> focus >>> on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes >>> sense. >>> Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I >>> also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these >>> apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, >>> getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and >>> would have been if the software was riggorously tested. >>> Just my opinions, >>> Will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
Hi Scott, Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the moment as my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac befoer coming back. Anyway... I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be correct that it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to them as well. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind" Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more > issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other > question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage > you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would like > this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes > me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and > so it is not a priority perhaps. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to >> switch between applications running in the current space? >> I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps >> in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through >> all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus >> on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes >> sense. >> Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I >> also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these >> apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, >> getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and >> would have been if the software was riggorously tested. >> Just my opinions, >> Will >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Copying Voice Over preferences
Hi folks, I remember reading that in Leopard, you could keep a copy of your Voice Over settings. So would it be possible for someone to find them and copy them to Snow Leopard so that they may not have to do as much tinkering? Just curious. Thanks for any help Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: 3 features that hmm?
Hi All, First, a couple of points to provide some context. I have never used Windows vista. I never understood why anyone installed that OS, it got bad reviews before it was ever released. My PC's sstill running XP. I also have never had any affiliation with NFB, and I have no desire to do so. If an organization takes a hostile posture against the Mac or anything else, well, that's sort of what organizations do--they take positions on things. If you don't like the things than an organization stands for, don't join. Or if you want, form another group to oppose them. But they represent only their organization, nothingmore. I thought their interview of the Mac was frankly stupid. The person who did it was not nearly experienced enough on the Mac to do anything more than put forth an initial opinion, and barely that NFB figured this out apparently, as they ended up with egg on their face having to recant some of the statements they'd made. Second, and I know I'm going to sound like all of our mothers, does the fact that Johny or susie did it make it right? I don't doubt that John has experienced the hostility that he described. But the fact that someone else is being a jerk doesn't give you or me the right to be a jerk too. Lastly, the intent of my message was never to "defend Windows" as Marie claimed, nor to make any evaluation of one operating system over the other. My point was simply that having more choices is better for the blind community as a whole, and people who don't dislike Windows aren't idiots any more than are those who choose Mac. Windows and Mac are two perfectly viable choices for blind users, and none of us has the right to act as though s/he is superior over anyone else because of the choice that we make, or because we don't despise the other choice. I'm telling you what I know from personal experience. There are many folks out there who either don't want to participate in Mac lists, or who stay away from the Mac because of attitudes they see from members of the Mac community. So, by being condescending, you're just shooting yoursellves in the foot, if what you want is for the Mac to hold a more prominent place in the blind user community. As I said before, let's just support each other, whatever OS we choose. In the long run it'll be better for everyone. Ok, all this said, this is my last post on this topic. I think this thread has run its course. Best, Donna -Original Message- From: Dan Eickmeier Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Well said John. When Vista came out, I wasn't impressed with it either, based on what I was hearing from people that were running it. I'd heard so many good things about the Mac, and the fact that I would have access to the mac right out of the box, without having to pay extra costs for a screen reader on top of the price of the mac, was also very compelling. As a result, I made the switch back in February of 2007, and haven't looked back since. I did use Windows occasionally and did have it installed in a VM, but I think with the improvements in Snow Leopard, i'll be using it even less. On Aug 30, 2009, at 12:51 PM, John Panarese wrote: > > I will disagree with Anyone who claims that there is no > hostility or arrogance from the Windows community towards the Mac and, > specifically, VoiceOver. Since VoiceOver became available in Tiger, I > have encountered the very behavior and attitudes from Windows users > towards the Mac as I have read some Windows users accuse Mac users of > showing towards Windows. In fact, at NFB shows, this mentality has > probably been the strongest. There is a mindset among hardcore > members of the blindness organization of "circling the wagons" or > "protecting ones own", and I think anyone who tries to claim otherwise > is not living on this planet. Sadly, I think Snow Leopard is only > going to create more shrill and vitriolic responses in regard to > Apple's efforts, and never any slightest acknowledgement of the "good" > it is doing for the blind. > > Now, the one thing that is apparently overlooked is that many of > us on this list and others who have been using the Mac are either > former Windows users or, like myself, still use Windows. I will admit > without hesitation that I take shots at Windows and openly criticize > Microsoft, but having used Windows for some 13 years, I surely feel > that I am qualified to do so and can speak about the shortcomings of > Windows quite knowledgeably. This is not arrogance or anything else > on my part. This is simply experience and the difference I have found > in using the Mac. Yes, the "dark side" might be too strong of a term, > yet, at the same time, it is like night and day. No viruses, spam, > crashes and other Windows instability issues Windows users just seem > to tolerate and accept as being "norma
beginning of document (textedit)
Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Anti-virus on the Mac
Hi folks, Does anyone have any suggestions for AV software on the Mac please? Also, how can I find out which of the AV applications are actually any good? Thank you for any advice. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
text-files and openoffice?
Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate through it? word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: > Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i > go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home > command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I > really need this function. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Thanks a lot, i was getting worried there! i thought cmd-up was to get up one line but yes it brings you to the beginning of the document! Thanks! Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: beginning of document (textedit) Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
shuffle in vlc
I love vlc, thanks to everyone who suggested it, i especially love it that it is so easy to just select a directory and play the whole thing (although i am not sure if it plays subdirectories too but i suppose it does), i was wondering though is it possible to shuffle stuff once you play a directory? Thanks Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: text-files and openoffice?
Le 31 août 2009 à 22:07, a radix a écrit : > Hello, I opened a text-file in openoffice and while it did open and > i think it showed righton the screen i got no brialle and it just > said soemthinglike sheet, as if it was a table. It sounds like your document was open as a spreadsheet. > I couldnt figure out how to navigate it, i could open it in textedit > but i wonder why i cant open it normally in openoffice and navigate > through it? > word documents seem to work fine in openoffice. What you could do is open it in TextEdit, save it as RTF or DOC and reopen it in OpenOffice. I am pretty sure that would force OOo to consider it as a text document and not as a spreadsheet. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the > moment as > my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac > befoer > coming back. > > Anyway... > > I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be > correct that > it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to > them as > well. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > the blind" > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > >> >> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage >> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >> like >> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and >> so it is not a priority perhaps. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to >>> switch between applications running in the current space? >>> I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 >>> aps >>> in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle >>> through >>> all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples >>> focus >>> on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes >>> sense. >>> Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I >>> also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these >>> apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, >>> getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and >>> would have been if the software was riggorously tested. >>> Just my opinions, >>> Will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", > please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating > issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also > had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings > in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be > reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just > need a tinkering in vo settings. > So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no > use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about > it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with > settings. > hth > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What is Spaces and ...
Hello Everyone, While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? Also, what is Exposay? Thank you. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are keyboarders. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the > moment as > my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac > befoer > coming back. > > Anyway... > > I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be > correct that > it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to > them as > well. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > the blind" > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > >> >> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage >> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >> like >> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and >> so it is not a priority perhaps. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to >>> switch between applications running in the current space? >>> I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 >>> aps >>> in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle >>> through >>> all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples >>> focus >>> on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes >>> sense. >>> Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I >>> also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these >>> apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, >>> getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and >>> would have been if the software was riggorously tested. >>> Just my opinions, >>> Will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hello Scott, First let me thank you and others for kindly responding to my question. I will go with V M Ware's Fusion. Yes, you are correct, my email addressed is based on my employment at UCLA. Again, many thanks. Most Sincerely, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Chesworth Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop Hi Mark, You'll be wanting to give Vmware Fusion a try I think. Virtual Box is free, and fairly usable true, but Vmware Fusion is by far the most accessible and well rounded product out of these 3. With your email address being what it is it's safe for me to assume you're in education of some sort, which means you should be able to pick up Fusion for $40 last I checked. Re which screen reader to use when, basically you'd use VO whenever you're highlighted on and performing something in Mac OS, your Windows screen reader of choice whenever you're focused on or performing something in Windows. Switching between the two OS's in Fusion is a synch, simply alt tab to Fusion, grab keyboard input with command-G and your mac will largely forget it's a mac until you tell it to remember. Both OS's are fully functional in the background when you're not focused on them, so it's very possible on a powerful machine to have the best of both worlds simultaneously. the one thing I'd say about Virtualisation is that, even though we're now running native on Intel chips, it still takes a slight performance hit with every system I've seen. You'll notice a slight lag or sluggishness in Windows Virtualised if you're fussy about performance, but for everyday tasks and assuming you're mainly going to be using Mac OS, the convenience outweighs the sluggishness. If however the remaining stuff you use Windows for is very system intensive, Boot Camp was probably your best option, but let's hope not eh. hth Scott On 8/31/09, hank smith wrote: > > how do you use that with vo? > I couldn't get it to work last I tried that > - Original Message - > From: "JC Helary" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop > > > > > Le 31 août 2009 à 16:36, M. Taylor a écrit : > >> Based on anecdotal evidence, I think I'm leaning towards V M Ware >> but I >> realize that Parallels has been around much longer and I tend to >> favor those >> companies that have been on the proverbial scene longer. > > I'd try the free Virtual Box from Sun Microsystems: > http://www.virtualbox.org/ > > Jean-Christophe Helary > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings > that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues > and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a > bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in > iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some > testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus > generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't > quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. > > tnx, > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", >> please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating >> issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also >> had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings >> in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be >> reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just >> need a tinkering in vo settings. >> So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no >> use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about >> it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with >> settings. >> hth >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: testing settings
Thanks for posting these Marie. I'm still waiting for my copy of SL, so appreciate having the info on the front end. Best, Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Howarth > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:29 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: testing settings > > > Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in > itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that > itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really > played with it extensively as yet. > > I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and > haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many > issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took > me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my > cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. > > initial focus = keyboard > keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked > voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked > insertion point follows voice over cursor checked > voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked > mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that > is messing with the submenus] > allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real > difference] > and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in > leopard. > hth > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > > > > Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings > > that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues > > and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is > a > > bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in > > iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some > > testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with > submenus > > generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't > > quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. > > > > tnx, > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > > >> > >> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", > >> please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating > >> issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also > >> had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings > >> in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be > >> reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely > just > >> need a tinkering in vo settings. > >> So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no > >> use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts > about > >> it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering > with > >> settings. > >> hth > >> > >> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: > 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Hello Anouk, These movement commands (like Command-Up arrow to go to the beginning of a document, and Command-Down arrow to move to the end) are general Mac OS X shortcuts that work in all Cocoa apps (e.g., the common utilities like TextEdit, Mail, etc.). For many of these commands, you can add the press of the shift key to turn these into selections. Here's a link to a post in the mail archive for this list that summarizes some of these paired movement and selection commands. http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html (Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps [was Re: lines of text]) There's an obvious typo in one of the sequences on that page (the result of too much cut and paste): command+down arrow move to the end of the document shift+command+down arrow select to the end (not beginning) of the document For more background on the connection between these shortcut sequences and emacs keybindings, see Greg Kearney's post in the old list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg30978.html (Re: Going to the beginning and end of text) HTH Cheers, Esther a radix wrote: > Thanks a lot, i was getting worried there! i thought cmd-up was to > get up one line but yes it brings you to the beginning of the > document! > Thanks! > Greetings, Anouk > - Original Message - > From: Dan Eickmeier > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: beginning of document (textedit) > > Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. > On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: > >> Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i >> go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home >> command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I >> really need this function. >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is Spaces and ...
Hi there Mark. I hope your well. To answer your question, I will give the following explanation. Spaces Spaces, like inLinux, called Workspaces, are simply put, new desktops. So, consider this. Your in a office, and you have four work desks at your disposal. You use each work desk to house different types of work you would like to keep track of. Say, one work desk is for fun, one is for viewing handouts, one is for viewing requests given to you by your staff, and another is for piling up work that needs to be done. This is this same in regards to Spaces on the mac, and the OS Snow Leopard. By default, four spaces are activated, once you enable the spaces function in Expose and Spaces within System Preferences. Once you enable Spaces, by default, Control + Numbers 1 through 4 will control what space your currently working on, or using. YOu can also have Spaces Menu show up in the Status Menu Bar, where Time Machine, Airport, your current time, and Bluetooth Icons are housed. Currently, I use spaces for having different areas. I only use two personally, I only use two spaces currently. I use Control + 1 for Space 1, and Control + 2 for Space 2. So, Space one, if spaces is enabled, is alays hte default space you will be on, when you start up your mac. If you leave your computer on, and your working on Space 2, you will return to that particular space once your Mac wakes up again. I use Space 1 for Chat, and Internet, while Space 2 is used for documents that I am editing, creating, or reading.. Think of Spaces as a way to narrow down cluttering of your desktop to keep things organized. Expose The best way I can sum up Expose is by saying that is a manager of multiple windows. To my knowledge, we can access Expose with VO, but are unable to tell what window is currently being highlighted, and what window is being selected. It is basically used so that you are able to see what windows you have open for that current application, or all windows you have opened, so that you can navigate to it more quickly. I hope this helps. Take care Fonzie On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I > can't > find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? > > Also, what is Exposay? > > Thank you. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > > James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay > more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the > important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and > there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are > keyboarders. :) > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the >> moment as >> my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac >> befoer >> coming back. >> >> Anyway... >> >> I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be >> correct that >> it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to >> them as >> well. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by >> the blind" >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM >> Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? >> >> >>> >>> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >>> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >>> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly >>> encourage >>> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >>> like >>> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >>> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces >>> and >>> so it is not a priority perhaps. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted i
Re: spaces in snowleopard?
You are right Scott, Whenever I help my parents with their PC or I help other sighted people with their Pcs, I always get them to use the keyboard. My mum for one uses the keyboard and knows quite a few of the keystrokes in Windows. I will continue to write to Apple about this. Take care James - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay > more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the > important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and > there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are > keyboarders. :) > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the >> moment as >> my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac >> befoer >> coming back. >> >> Anyway... >> >> I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be >> correct that >> it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to >> them as >> well. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by >> the blind" >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM >> Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? >> >> >>> >>> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >>> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >>> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage >>> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >>> like >>> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >>> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and >>> so it is not a priority perhaps. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
itunes and resuming downloads
Hi everyone, I have been downloading some videos from the itunes u and at some point i couldn't go anywhere, this ping sound telling me that i was going nowhere. not the limit sound. so i quit itunes and restarted it. Now my downloads source isn't in the sources table anymore. i tried check for available downloads, but i don't have the list anymore, which itself was some way through the download list. If i go back and get tracks from the itunes page, i have to delete all the downloads i've already have, and it's a waste of time. Is there a way to resume the downloads from where i stopped? best --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Scott, I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off this feature? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: welcome dialog
Also, I think pressing v will stop this feature Marshall On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:00 AM, william lomas wrote: > > Hi for the person who did not want to be told to learn voiceover, at > startup each time, turn it off in the general utilities settings of > voice over > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is Spaces and ...
Hi Mark, I can't tell you what Exposé is, but here is my explaination of Spaces. But I'm sure others will also add better info for you. Spaces was introduced in Leopard and the ability it should give on Mac OS X has been a standard feature in many - if not all Linux/Unix based systems for a while. The feature allows you to use multiple desktop windows. For example, you can have one desktop window with your E Mail and web browser and another with your chat client. This is useful when you are doing more than one thing and you don't want to have everything in one window. The idea is that it should make you more productive, but unfortunately under Mac OS X, the concept is broken at least from a blindness/keyboard perspective. If for instance you press the keystroke to move to another Desktop window and you then use Command Tab to cycle through the open applications on this new Desktop you should only be able to see the applications that are currently running on that particular desktop. However, at present, Command Tab cycles through all applications regardless of which Desktop they are on. There is also an issue where I think if you open a new window for a running application which is running on another Desktop then the new window will open on your current Desktop. I have heard that you can work around this by selecting certain applications to open in certain Desktops which is an option but it should not work this way - at least this is my understanding. As I have said, under Linux/Unix, this feature works correctly and Apple have said that they are having some trouble fixing it, but perhaps the Accessibility folks are not the ones I should be talking to about it. Anyway... I hope this helps explain what the feature is and what it should do. Take care James - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: What is Spaces and ... > > Hello Everyone, > > While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't > find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? > > Also, what is Exposay? > > Thank you. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > > James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay > more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the > important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and > there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are > keyboarders. :) > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the >> moment as >> my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac >> befoer >> coming back. >> >> Anyway... >> >> I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be >> correct that >> it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to >> them as >> well. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by >> the blind" >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM >> Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? >> >> >>> >>> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >>> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >>> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage >>> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >>> like >>> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >>> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and >>> so it is not a priority perhaps. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to more of us these apparent voice over bugs in SL would have been erradicated as it is, getting stuck in menus etc. should have been noted in my opinion and would have been if the software was riggorously tested. Just my opinions, Will > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to
Getting stuff done!
Hello to all. Just wanted to note that I'm loving the ease with which I can move around on the Web (and elsewhere) using VO's new features in Snow Leopard. I just now paid a few bills -- yes, it's that time of the month -- and I was in in, around, over, and out in no time at all. And like everyone else, of course, this is after just a couple of days. Just wait til I've had some practice! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: shuffle in vlc
Hi, yes the option is command Z or random from the playback menu. VLC's shuffle is truely cool in that it rerandomizes your playlist every time a song finishes or you change, then it removes the already played songs from the pool so you won't have the same song coming up at random over and over. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 31-Aug-09, at 9:13 AM, a radix wrote: > I love vlc, thanks to everyone who suggested it, i especially love > it that it is so easy to just select a directory and play the whole > thing (although i am not sure if it plays subdirectories too but i > suppose it does), i was wondering though is it possible to shuffle > stuff once you play a directory? > Thanks > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Anna, a side question here but what is the Voiceover command for ignoring the next key combination? Thanks, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 15:55, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had > never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I > Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move > out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press > command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt > still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and > keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander > off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off > this feature? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
function keys in virtual Windows
Hi, I have a Mac Mini with a full keyboard, complete with numpad. If VoiceOver is off, pressing Command-F5 turns it on, so I apparently have it set so the software actions of the function keys are activated by default. If I'm running Windows XP in Fusion, the function keys work as expected if VoiceOver is on. However, if it's off, the function keys only work as expected if I hold down the FN key. Is there any way I can make them perform as I would expect without the FN key on the Windows side without changing how they perform on the Mac side? Thanks, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
accessibleMovie editing software
hi Can blind use iMovie with VoiceOver. I'm looking for some video editing software that blind people can use. I need to cut edit the video, i have recorded on a video camera. Best regards Jorgen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is not reading at all. On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in > itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that > itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really > played with it extensively as yet. > > I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and > haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many > issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took > me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my > cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. > > initial focus = keyboard > keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked > voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked > insertion point follows voice over cursor checked > voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked > mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that > is messing with the submenus] > allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real > difference] > and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in > leopard. > hth > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings >> that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues >> and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really >> is a >> bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in >> iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some >> testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with >> submenus >> generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't >> quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. >> >> tnx, >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", >>> please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating >>> issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also >>> had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings >>> in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be >>> reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely >>> just >>> need a tinkering in vo settings. >>> So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no >>> use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts >>> about >>> it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering >>> with >>> settings. >>> hth >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: function keys in virtual Windows
There are two things you should do here: 1) In keyboard preferences, check to be sure the box is checked to make function keys act as normal. They're set not to by default, at least, on my Macbook. It won't hurt anything to check nor to change the state of this check box. 2) In system preferences/Expose and spaces preferences, you'll want to remap F9 through F12 to something else. Doing so is slightly tricky. Here's what I did: 1) On the popup menu for, for instance, the function mapped to F9, press VO+spacebar to open the menu. 2) Hold down the option key. VO will say "Option F9". 3) Not releasing the option key, press the control key and space. The popup menu will now say "Option F9". 4) Lather, rinse, and repeat for the mappings of F10 through F12. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a Mac Mini with a full keyboard, complete with numpad. If > VoiceOver is off, pressing Command-F5 turns it on, so I apparently > have it set so the software actions of the function keys are activated > by default. If I'm running Windows XP in Fusion, the function keys > work as expected if VoiceOver is on. However, if it's off, the > function keys only work as expected if I hold down the FN key. Is > there any way I can make them perform as I would expect without the FN > key on the Windows side without changing how they perform on the Mac > side? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Could you just clarify again please whether "mouse cursor ignores voiceover cursor" is checked or unchecked in your settings? It is not clear from your very helpful description. Thanks, Simon On 31 Aug 2009, at 16:46, Scott Howell wrote: > > Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the > problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO > cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other > words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the > submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but > backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the > mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. > The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is > not reading at all. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in >> itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that >> itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really >> played with it extensively as yet. >> >> I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. >> and >> haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many >> issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took >> me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my >> cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. >> >> initial focus = keyboard >> keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked >> voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked >> insertion point follows voice over cursor checked >> voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked >> mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe >> that >> is messing with the submenus] >> allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real >> difference] >> and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did >> in >> leopard. >> hth >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings >>> that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues >>> and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really >>> is a >>> bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in >>> iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some >>> testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with >>> submenus >>> generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I >>> can't >>> quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. >>> >>> tnx, >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
I suppose things will come up to where what happens if people who used macs had to go for Windows one day for work or something. Whether we like it or not, none of the Windows screen readers let you switch it so you'd have to learn how windows speaks the insertion point even though for sighted people it wouldn't be a change at all in that respect. I guess this history goes before my time why JFW chose to read it the way they did. I had to muck around in DOS once in awhile with Windows 3.1 waiting for support for 95, but thought this one was how the OS reported the position. - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? > > Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of people who > bitched and complained about this whole editing issue and I believe > Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the NFB or some > organization about the editing issue. APparently enough people > complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility for those > users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made this point > because I remember clearly the noise about this editing issue. I see > no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, whatever > at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because there are > those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. It is an > option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not worth > removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have stated > and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or is not a > standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it obviously didn't > take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it is an > option. > On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> >> Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. >> >> Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are >> so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but >> someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the >> reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a >> sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and >> taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. >> >> Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context >> sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter >> learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply >> things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're >> enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to >> thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who >> fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email >> from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their >> applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference >> between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions >> equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. >> >> Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this >> one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the >> option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way >> need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that >> they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion >> like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use >> Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair >> share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. >> I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I >> doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their >> progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's >> just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit >> even if they're bad ones. >> >> Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature >> be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure >> they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the >> feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, >> and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who >> hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for >> us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they >> probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they >> could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. >> >> Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of >> the pond... >> Scott >> >> On 8/29/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>> Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you >>> learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus >>> side is that for those who want to make the transition and really >>> find >>> what we "grew up with" difficult, will at lea
Re: 3 features that hmm?
In Windows, the character it speaks seems to be the one the insertion point is before in both directions. So if you type Brent and arrow back to the B and hit forward delete, you delete the B. If you hit backspace, which is all the Macbooks have and it was running Windows, you delete the space you never heard mentioned before the B. Brent - Original Message - From: "James & Nash" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? > > Personally, I find the Mac way of editing more intutitive, but that's just > me. Also one of my friends told me that the Mac edits the way sighted > folks > would - i don't know if this is the case in Windows. > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Howell" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? > > >> >> Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of people who >> bitched and complained about this whole editing issue and I believe >> Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the NFB or some >> organization about the editing issue. APparently enough people >> complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility for those >> users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made this point >> because I remember clearly the noise about this editing issue. I see >> no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, whatever >> at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because there are >> those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. It is an >> option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not worth >> removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have stated >> and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or is not a >> standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it obviously didn't >> take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it is an >> option. >> On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >>> >>> Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. >>> >>> Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are >>> so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but >>> someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the >>> reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a >>> sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and >>> taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. >>> >>> Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context >>> sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter >>> learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply >>> things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're >>> enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to >>> thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who >>> fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email >>> from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their >>> applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference >>> between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions >>> equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. >>> >>> Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this >>> one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the >>> option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way >>> need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that >>> they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion >>> like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use >>> Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair >>> share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. >>> I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I >>> doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their >>> progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's >>> just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit >>> even if they're bad ones. >>> >>> Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature >>> be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure >>> they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the >>> feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, >>> and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who >>> hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for >>> us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they >>> probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they >>> could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of >>> the pond... >>> Scott >>> >>> On 8/29/09, Scott Howell wrote: Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you learned the
Re: testing settings
The mail issue, I'm going to test this one. but let me clarify itunes, the browser as you put it, is this the grid view? I am having no problems here. checked all of the options, artists, albums, etc, the only thing I see that's different which is an 8.2 issue I beleive as I believe it stopped working when I last updated is the jumping using letters. Unless I'm missing something I cannot replicate your issues in itunes I'm afraid. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the > problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO > cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other > words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the > submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but > backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the > mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. > The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is > not reading at all. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in >> itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that >> itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really >> played with it extensively as yet. >> >> I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. >> and >> haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many >> issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took >> me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my >> cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. >> >> initial focus = keyboard >> keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked >> voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked >> insertion point follows voice over cursor checked >> voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked >> mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe >> that >> is messing with the submenus] >> allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real >> difference] >> and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did >> in >> leopard. >> hth >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings >>> that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues >>> and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really >>> is a >>> bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in >>> iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some >>> testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with >>> submenus >>> generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I >>> can't >>> quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. >>> >>> tnx, >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a "bug", please please check your vo settings. I have experienced navigating issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I also had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing settings in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may be reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely just need a tinkering in vo settings. So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. no use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts about it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering with settings. hth > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
ignore should be checked simon. On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Could you just clarify again please whether "mouse cursor ignores > voiceover cursor" is checked or unchecked in your settings? It is not > clear from your very helpful description. Thanks, Simon > On 31 Aug 2009, at 16:46, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the >> problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO >> cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other >> words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the >> submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but >> backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the >> mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. >> The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is >> not reading at all. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in >>> itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than >>> that >>> itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really >>> played with it extensively as yet. >>> >>> I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. >>> and >>> haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many >>> issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. >>> took >>> me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, >>> my >>> cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. >>> >>> initial focus = keyboard >>> keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked >>> voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked >>> insertion point follows voice over cursor checked >>> voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked >>> mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe >>> that >>> is messing with the submenus] >>> allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real >>> difference] >>> and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did >>> in >>> leopard. >>> hth >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a > "bug", > please please check your vo settings. I have experienced > navigating > issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I > also > had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing > settings > in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may > be > reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely > just > need a tinkering in vo settings. > So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. > no > use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts > about > it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering > with > settings. > hth > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > Hello Everyone, > > Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but > enough > to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. > > 1. > I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home > page. > > 2. > I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all > now sharing the same media library. > > 3. > I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and > configured some network workgroups. > > 4. > I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net > when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've > installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that > had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. > > 5. > I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs > for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer > until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it > for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. > I > was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct > drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac > is a beautiful thing. > > I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just > wanted > to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's > a > great experience. > > One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In > fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in > comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would > be > this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the > saying goes, "Never say Never." > > Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS > VoiceOver > gestures on the MacBook track pad. > > I have a question about Safari: > > Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes > up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? > Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get > the > Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. > > Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Mark > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
if windows seven is easy to install may get it On 31 Aug 2009, at 17:08, Brent Harding wrote: > > How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet > any > more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible > to find > when you need it? > > - Original Message - > From: "M. Taylor" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM > Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but >> enough >> to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white >> cat. >> >> 1. >> I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred >> home >> page. >> >> 2. >> I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers >> are all >> now sharing the same media library. >> >> 3. >> I configured the startup setting options and created some new >> accounts and >> configured some network workgroups. >> >> 4. >> I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to >> the Net >> when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've >> installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I >> suspect that >> had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. >> >> 5. >> I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used >> 32 gigs >> for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows >> computer >> until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I >> installed it >> for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the >> future. >> I >> was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the >> correct >> drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. >> This Mac >> is a beautiful thing. >> >> I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just >> wanted >> to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so >> far it's >> a >> great experience. >> >> One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a >> must. In >> fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to >> pale in >> comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I >> would >> be >> this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as >> the >> saying goes, "Never say Never." >> >> Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS >> VoiceOver >> gestures on the MacBook track pad. >> >> I have a question about Safari: >> >> Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that >> it takes >> up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be >> sizable? >> Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot >> get >> the >> Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. >> >> Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
apple script and vo
OK, I want to use apple script to set up some options on the keyboard commander. But how do I do that? apple script is a folder that no matter what I do, I canot get to open. it takes me back to the devices in sidebar for some odd reason, no matter how I try to open it. any help would be greatly appreciated. I want to take advantage of using apple script with VO to set up commands, but not sure how to do it. any help would be great :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Anna, Hmmm, well it used to be the case that command-g grabbed keyboard input, stopped it from controlling Mac OS and started it controlling Windows in other words. This could be redundant now, from what you just described it sounds to me like Fusion is grabbing input automatically when you command tab to it. I haven't used Fusion for a while, so it's very possible that I've become a bit of a keystroke dinosaur. Scott On 8/31/09, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > I've been using Fusion and Windows XP for a little over a month. I had > never heard of the Command-G command before. What does it do? When I > Command-Tab to Fusion, that command is treated as Windows-G. If I move > out of the Windows scroll area with VO-Right Arrow and then press > command-G, I don't see any change in behavior. Pressing Control-Alt > still only works if I tell VoiceOver to ignore the next command, and > keys involving the numeric keypad only work if I turn Numpad Commander > off. Should I see a change in that behavior? And how do I turn off > this feature? > > Thanks, > Anna > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
annoying issue in Amadeus Pro
Hi. I have two sound files, which I wanna copy into one file. When I try to copy the audio together in one file, Amadeus choose for some reason to paste the audio in only the left or only the right speaker. Yesterday, it pasted the audio so the sound came in only the left speaker, and a few minutes ago, it was only in the right speaker. I'm doing the following to paste the audio: 1: Open both files, so I can switch between the files by using the Window chooser. 2: Then I go to the end of the first file I opened 3: I find the second file by using the window chooser 4: I press command a to select all the audio, then command c to copy it. 5: I go back to the first file, and then paste the audio into the file by pressing command v. This works in all sound editing application I've used on Windows, but Amadeus paste the audio in mono... The weird thing is that yesterday it pasted the audio so it came from the left speaker, and as I wrote above, a few minutes ago, it pasted the audio so it came from the right speaker... Is it me who does something in a wrong, way, or is it a weird bug in the application? Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
going quickly between windows in a program
Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: shuffle in vlc
Hi Erik Oh ok! i did notice that random item but i thought it would jus tplay a random song and then go back to its normal list. cool to know! do you know if you select a folder if vlc indeed also plays the subfolders? Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: Re: shuffle in vlc Hi, yes the option is command Z or random from the playback menu. VLC's shuffle is truely cool in that it rerandomizes your playlist every time a song finishes or you change, then it removes the already played songs from the pool so you won't have the same song coming up at random over and over. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 31-Aug-09, at 9:13 AM, a radix wrote: I love vlc, thanks to everyone who suggested it, i especially love it that it is so easy to just select a directory and play the whole thing (although i am not sure if it plays subdirectories too but i suppose it does), i was wondering though is it possible to shuffle stuff once you play a directory? Thanks Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: beginning of document (textedit)
Thanks that is VERY much appreciated, i dont know many of the mac commands yet. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: Re: beginning of document (textedit) Hello Anouk, These movement commands (like Command-Up arrow to go to the beginning of a document, and Command-Down arrow to move to the end) are general Mac OS X shortcuts that work in all Cocoa apps (e.g., the common utilities like TextEdit, Mail, etc.). For many of these commands, you can add the press of the shift key to turn these into selections. Here's a link to a post in the mail archive for this list that summarizes some of these paired movement and selection commands. http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html (Moving and Selecting in Cocoa Apps [was Re: lines of text]) There's an obvious typo in one of the sequences on that page (the result of too much cut and paste): command+down arrow move to the end of the document shift+command+down arrow select to the end (not beginning) of the document For more background on the connection between these shortcut sequences and emacs keybindings, see Greg Kearney's post in the old list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg30978.html (Re: Going to the beginning and end of text) HTH Cheers, Esther a radix wrote: Thanks a lot, i was getting worried there! i thought cmd-up was to get up one line but yes it brings you to the beginning of the document! Thanks! Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Dan Eickmeier To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: beginning of document (textedit) Hi, command-up arrow should do what you want. On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:06 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, I need to jump and search through documents a lot, how can i go back to the beginning of a document in textedit? I tried vo-home command-home and option-home but this does not seem tow ork and I really need this function. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: going quickly between windows in a program
Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
Marie, no. The browser is brought up with command-b, but it seems you have to be in the text view I gather since grid view behaves differently. The browser allows you to select a particular genre, album, or artist. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > The mail issue, I'm going to test this one. but let me clarify itunes, > the browser as you put it, is this the grid view? I am having no > problems here. checked all of the options, artists, albums, etc, the > only thing I see that's different which is an 8.2 issue I beleive as I > believe it stopped working when I last updated is the jumping using > letters. Unless I'm missing something I cannot replicate your issues > in itunes I'm afraid. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the >> problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO >> cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other >> words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the >> submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but >> backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the >> mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. >> The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is >> not reading at all. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in >>> itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than >>> that >>> itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really >>> played with it extensively as yet. >>> >>> I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. >>> and >>> haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many >>> issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. >>> took >>> me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, >>> my >>> cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. >>> >>> initial focus = keyboard >>> keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked >>> voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked >>> insertion point follows voice over cursor checked >>> voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked >>> mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe >>> that >>> is messing with the submenus] >>> allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real >>> difference] >>> and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did >>> in >>> leopard. >>> hth >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your settings that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing issues and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really is a bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems in iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with submenus generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I can't quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. tnx, On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a > "bug", > please please check your vo settings. I have experienced > navigating > issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I > also > had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing > settings > in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may > be > reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely > just > need a tinkering in vo settings. > So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. > no > use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts > about > it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering > with > settings. > hth > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Yes there is, you can use command-~, which works on the US keyboard, but I gather you may be using a different keyboard layout, so not sure if that will work. This will switch between the windows of that particular program. On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:46 PM, a radix wrote: > Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for > the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in > the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. > I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the > application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or > something to quickly and immediately switch between different > windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window > user, > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Swedish Braille available for SL
Hello everyone, Swedish Braille is now available as a beta release for Snow Leopard. If anyone on this list would like to try it and give us feedback, please e-mail us at: Swedish Braille is part of the multilingual Braille package which also includes: Danish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Norwegian and Russian. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: annoying issue in Amadeus Pro
Hi Soren, I had no problems copying one file into another using the procedure you describe. There was one time when I selected some audio and hit Delete, and only one channel was deleted for some reason. So any tips anyone has on making sure both channels are used would be welcome. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Well said. Operating systems are simply a choice we make. In my case, I can choose the Mac as a home computer, but my employer is not going to suddenly go to the Mac, nor will my employer suddenly decide thaat we should stop teaching students Windows and switch to the Mac, it ain't gonna happen. If you either are not employed, or work at home, then sure, you can choose the Mac and never touch Windows again. I can't and frankly, since I need to know about what's new, I wouldn't. I am looking forward to learning the Mac. And as for the NFB, I am a member of that organization, but I would never for one minute defend the poor and careless job that was done in the Braille Monitor. - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: Re: 3 features that hmm? Hi Donna, I use XP myself and will continue to do so for the time being. I had tried Vista for the sake of knowledge and curiosity and I'll probably give Windows 7 a shot as far as the desire to know what that is like as well. However, when it comes to using Windows when I have a need to, XP will continue to get the job done for me. Now, as for the NFB, it is not specific to them or any organization. Unfortunately, VoiceOver bashing has come from all of the major blindness groups at one time or another, dating back to the AFB when Tiger first came out. The NFB article you note is only one of a few publications that obviously did its best to discredit Apple and VoiceOver. Frankly, it is not a matter of taking a position. There are clearly special interests involved, which, I think, do not have to be spelled out, since the majority of blind computer users are utilizing Windows and the implications can be taken from there. As the saying goes, follow the money trail. My experience I referred to mentioned an NFB show, but I have encountered the same sort of negative reactions at other trade shows having nothing to do with specific blindness organizations. Whether these individuals were members of any, I have no idea. I was just pointing out that it is not necessarily the Mac community that demonstrates such hostility and shameful behavior. And you are absolutely correct. As the saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right and such nastiness should not be acceptable from any quarter, especially over something as trivial in life as ones choice of computer access. Similarly, however, one should also not take immediate offense or the like if someone offers an opinion about a given operating system that is supported by experience, documentation or general knowledge. In other words, as I said, I do take my share of shots at Windows, but I always keep my remarks in line with reality and experience and what is being also talked about in technical articles and forums. As far as I am concerned, there is no company, OS or product that is perfect, regardless of whether it is Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi All, > > First, a couple of points to provide some context. I have never > used Windows vista. I never understood why anyone installed that > OS, it got bad reviews before it was ever released. My PC's sstill > running XP. I also have never had any affiliation with NFB, and I > have no desire to do so. If an organization takes a hostile posture > against the Mac or anything else, well, that's sort of what > organizations do--they take positions on things. If you don't like > the things than an organization stands for, don't join. Or if you > want, form another group to oppose them. But they represent only > their organization, nothingmore. I thought their interview of the > Mac was frankly stupid. The person who did it was not nearly > experienced enough on the Mac to do anything more than put forth an > initial opinion, and barely that NFB figured this out apparently, as > they ended up with egg on their face having to recant some of the > statements they'd made. > > Second, and I know I'm going to sound like all of our mothers, does > the fact that Johny or susie did it make it right? I don't doubt > that John has experienced the hostility that he described. But the > fact that someone else is being a jerk doesn't give you or me the > right to be a jerk too. > > Lastly, the intent of my message was never to "defend Windows" as > Marie claimed, nor to make any evaluation of one operating system > over the other. My point was simply that having more choices is > better for the blind community as a whole, and people who don't > dislike Windows aren't idiots any more than are those who choose > Mac. Windows and Mac are two perfectly viable choices for blind > users, and none of us has the right to act as though s/he is > superior over anyone else because of the choice that we make, or > because we don't despise the other choice. I'm telling you what I > know from personal experie
Re: Question: V M Ware Fusion or Parallels Desktop
Hi Simon, The command to get VO to ignore the next keystroke is VO-Tab. Best, anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RSS Section of mail
Hi all: I want all the msgs that I receive from this list to go to the RSS Section of my Mail instead of my main inbox. How do I accomplish this? I don't wish to un_subscribe from the list but the volume of mail from this list is getting really high as of late so I'd rather it be moved to my Rss Section so that I can check it now and then. Thanks: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Thanks Donna, command-` I just realize I hit the shift key. On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Anouk, > > Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about > other programs. > Donna > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: going quickly between windows in a program > > Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for > the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in > the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. > I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the > application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or > something to quickly and immediately switch between different > windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window > user, > Greetings, Anouk, > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: > 08/31/09 05:50:00 > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
my kitten is born!!!
Hi all, My new kitten is born I am going to have to be trained on it, since it's a new os, but I think I will make it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: annoying issue in Amadeus Pro
Hi there. Is the position where the sound from one file important or can you just put one file at the end of the other one? If position isn't important, why don't you try merging the files together? Can't remember off hand now where this menu choise is, but it opens a dialog with an empty list and buttons for adding and removing. You press the add button and it opens a standard file open dialog where you choose what files to merge, you can select multiple files to merge. Once you're done selecting files, press the "open" button and the files will be added to the list. Now you can select output format and such stuff should you want to do that. When finished in that dialog, press "merge" and the process should start. Note, i could be wrong about the labels of the buttons, because i've done this only once. HTH /Krister 31 aug 2009 kl. 18.46 skrev Søren Jensen: > > Hi. > > I have two sound files, which I wanna copy into one file. When I try > to copy the audio together in one file, Amadeus choose for some reason > to paste the audio in only the left or only the right speaker. > Yesterday, it pasted the audio so the sound came in only the left > speaker, and a few minutes ago, it was only in the right speaker. I'm > doing the following to paste the audio: > 1: Open both files, so I can switch between the files by using the > Window chooser. > 2: Then I go to the end of the first file I opened > 3: I find the second file by using the window chooser > 4: I press command a to select all the audio, then command c to copy > it. > 5: I go back to the first file, and then paste the audio into the file > by pressing command v. > This works in all sound editing application I've used on Windows, but > Amadeus paste the audio in mono... The weird thing is that yesterday > it pasted the audio so it came from the left speaker, and as I wrote > above, a few minutes ago, it pasted the audio so it came from the > right speaker... Is it me who does something in a wrong, way, or is it > a weird bug in the application? > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: testing settings
wow, never even knew this feature existed. sorry. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Marie, no. The browser is brought up with command-b, but it seems you > have to be in the text view I gather since grid view behaves > differently. > The browser allows you to select a particular genre, album, or > artist. > On Aug 31, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> The mail issue, I'm going to test this one. but let me clarify >> itunes, >> the browser as you put it, is this the grid view? I am having no >> problems here. checked all of the options, artists, albums, etc, the >> only thing I see that's different which is an 8.2 issue I beleive >> as I >> believe it stopped working when I last updated is the jumping using >> letters. Unless I'm missing something I cannot replicate your issues >> in itunes I'm afraid. >> >> On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Marie, you are correct in thatMouse cursor ignores VoiceOver was the >>> problem in Mail. Initially it is set to Mouse cursor follows VO >>> cursor and that was causing some submenus to jump around. In other >>> words, if set to have the mouse cursor follow the VO cursor, the >>> submenu in Mail used to take accounts on/offline can be entered, but >>> backing out causes the VO cursor to end up elsewhere within the >>> mailbox menu. THat is the best way I can explain it. >>> The issue in iTunes is the browser for genre, albums, and artist is >>> not reading at all. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: >>> Scot, what issues are you having in mail? I also found a bug in itunes, in regard to the lcd area, that I did report. Other than that itunes has been working OK, although admittedly i haven't really played with it extensively as yet. I'd be happy to share my settings. I have verbosity set to medium. and haven't played specifically with those settings. but it seems many issues are navigated related so here are my navigation settings. took me a while to get this all straight but as of yesterday afternoon, my cursors are happy and tracking as I am used too. initial focus = keyboard keyboard focus follows voice over curser checked voice over cursor folows keyboard cursor checked insertion point follows voice over cursor checked voice over cursor follows insertion point not checked mouse cursor ignores voice over cursor [this is the one I believe that is messing with the submenus] allow cursor wrapping not checked [this shouldn't make a real difference] and this I think will help you guys. my SL works now the way it did in leopard. hth On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Marie, if you don't mind, it may help to share some of your > settings > that you found to work well. I am generally not experiencing > issues > and your right that reporting bugs is fine, but only if it really > is a > bug and not some setting. I for example have found some problems > in > iTunes and I'm pretty confident it is a bug, but I'm doing some > testing to be sure of course. I have not had any issues with > submenus > generally. However, found a little odd behavior in Mail that I > can't > quite figure out yet, but still looking into it. > > tnx, > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> just a word of warning guys. Before you report something as a >> "bug", >> please please check your vo settings. I have experienced >> navigating >> issues when first installing sl, with sub menus and such, and I >> also >> had an issue when editing text yesterday but after changing >> settings >> in vo SL is working awesomely now. I'm afraid too many people may >> be >> reporting bugs that don't necessarily exist in the OS and merely >> just >> need a tinkering in vo settings. >> So please, please, check settings and test before emailing apple. >> no >> use reporting a bug that isn't there. I have seen several posts >> about >> it now and simply the issues could be solved with some tinkering >> with >> settings. >> hth >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: watching (analog) tv on the mac?
Many TV cable boxes have a pair of audio outputs RCA (left/right) audio outputs which you can then hook to anything that takes a standard line-in. I have mine connected to my home stereo which sounds much better than the little speakers in the TV. Actually, I should say that I used to have it hooked up that way as I just canceled my cable and will be giving web-only media access a whirl. I haven't actually turned the TV on for months so it was kind of a waste. CB John G. Heim wrote: > I can't find the beginning of this thread and I can't give any info about > watching TV on the Mac but for $5 you can buy a cable that allows you to > connect a VCR, DVD player, or a digital converter box to the sound input > jack of your Mac. I don't have a TV any more. I just have a converter box. > But I don't want a picture, just sound. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
don't think it matters which command key btw, command accent indeed works in most apps. On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > Thanks Donna, command-` I just realize I hit the shift key. > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Hi Anouk, >> >> Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about >> other programs. >> Donna >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: going quickly between windows in a program >> >> Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for >> the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys >> in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. >> I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the >> application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or >> something to quickly and immediately switch between different >> windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window >> user, >> Greetings, Anouk, >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: >> 08/31/09 05:50:00 >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: What is Spaces and ...
Thank you, Fonzie. An excellent explanation. I understand. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Fonzie Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:46 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What is Spaces and ... Hi there Mark. I hope your well. To answer your question, I will give the following explanation. Spaces Spaces, like inLinux, called Workspaces, are simply put, new desktops. So, consider this. Your in a office, and you have four work desks at your disposal. You use each work desk to house different types of work you would like to keep track of. Say, one work desk is for fun, one is for viewing handouts, one is for viewing requests given to you by your staff, and another is for piling up work that needs to be done. This is this same in regards to Spaces on the mac, and the OS Snow Leopard. By default, four spaces are activated, once you enable the spaces function in Expose and Spaces within System Preferences. Once you enable Spaces, by default, Control + Numbers 1 through 4 will control what space your currently working on, or using. YOu can also have Spaces Menu show up in the Status Menu Bar, where Time Machine, Airport, your current time, and Bluetooth Icons are housed. Currently, I use spaces for having different areas. I only use two personally, I only use two spaces currently. I use Control + 1 for Space 1, and Control + 2 for Space 2. So, Space one, if spaces is enabled, is alays hte default space you will be on, when you start up your mac. If you leave your computer on, and your working on Space 2, you will return to that particular space once your Mac wakes up again. I use Space 1 for Chat, and Internet, while Space 2 is used for documents that I am editing, creating, or reading.. Think of Spaces as a way to narrow down cluttering of your desktop to keep things organized. Expose The best way I can sum up Expose is by saying that is a manager of multiple windows. To my knowledge, we can access Expose with VO, but are unable to tell what window is currently being highlighted, and what window is being selected. It is basically used so that you are able to see what windows you have open for that current application, or all windows you have opened, so that you can navigate to it more quickly. I hope this helps. Take care Fonzie On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:22 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I > can't > find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? > > Also, what is Exposay? > > Thank you. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > > James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay > more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the > important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and > there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are > keyboarders. :) > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the >> moment as >> my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac >> befoer >> coming back. >> >> Anyway... >> >> I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be >> correct that >> it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to >> them as >> well. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by >> the blind" >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM >> Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? >> >> >>> >>> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >>> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >>> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly >>> encourage >>> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >>> like >>> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >>> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces >>> and >>> so it is not a priority perhaps. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2
Re: 3 features that hmm?
My recollection is the way the windows-based screen readers handle the cursor is from the DOS days and has not changed, even though for sighted windows users it has . Now of course your testing my memory from a very long time ago. :) On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Brent Harding wrote: > > I suppose things will come up to where what happens if people who > used macs > had to go for Windows one day for work or something. Whether we like > it or > not, none of the Windows screen readers let you switch it so you'd > have to > learn how windows speaks the insertion point even though for sighted > people > it wouldn't be a change at all in that respect. I guess this history > goes > before my time why JFW chose to read it the way they did. I had to > muck > around in DOS once in awhile with Windows 3.1 waiting for support > for 95, > but thought this one was how the OS reported the position. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mic not working in Garage Band, and simple recording program?
I don't recall reading the beginning of this thread but in general Mac's don't have pre-amplifiers built in so a plain old mic will need to go through an external preamp before connecting to the Mac's line in. This could either be a dedicated box or the output from a mixer. USB mics, while limiting your choices also simplify things as they don't need the pre-amp. Line level inputs like CD-players or tape decks can just be plugged into the mac directly. CB Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > Hi Terrence, > > Do you have a microphone input as well as line in? If so, plug the > mike into that and select that input rather than Line In. I don't > think LIne In will work with a microphone. Or maybe there's a preamp > that can be used. I have a Mac Mini, which doesn't have a microphone > jack, so I had to buy a USB microphone. > > I bought two recording packages, Audio Hijack Pro for recording > multiple sound sources at once (system audio, microphone, and line in) > and Amadeus Pro for editing my recordings. These are both good programs. > > HTH, > Anna > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: What is Spaces and ...
Thank you, James. I understand. I'm glad you mentioned the bug as this would most certainly have confused me when I attempted to use the Command+Alt key combination. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James & Nash Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:05 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What is Spaces and ... Hi Mark, I can't tell you what Exposé is, but here is my explaination of Spaces. But I'm sure others will also add better info for you. Spaces was introduced in Leopard and the ability it should give on Mac OS X has been a standard feature in many - if not all Linux/Unix based systems for a while. The feature allows you to use multiple desktop windows. For example, you can have one desktop window with your E Mail and web browser and another with your chat client. This is useful when you are doing more than one thing and you don't want to have everything in one window. The idea is that it should make you more productive, but unfortunately under Mac OS X, the concept is broken at least from a blindness/keyboard perspective. If for instance you press the keystroke to move to another Desktop window and you then use Command Tab to cycle through the open applications on this new Desktop you should only be able to see the applications that are currently running on that particular desktop. However, at present, Command Tab cycles through all applications regardless of which Desktop they are on. There is also an issue where I think if you open a new window for a running application which is running on another Desktop then the new window will open on your current Desktop. I have heard that you can work around this by selecting certain applications to open in certain Desktops which is an option but it should not work this way - at least this is my understanding. As I have said, under Linux/Unix, this feature works correctly and Apple have said that they are having some trouble fixing it, but perhaps the Accessibility folks are not the ones I should be talking to about it. Anyway... I hope this helps explain what the feature is and what it should do. Take care James - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: What is Spaces and ... > > Hello Everyone, > > While I am sure this has been posted many times over, I'm afraid I can't > find the answer and so I ask, what is Spaces? > > Also, what is Exposay? > > Thank you. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:11 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? > > > James, you bet I've been lobbying for this now on and off. Well okay > more on, but the point is I would actually use it and I think the > important thing is to show Apple that not everyone is a mouser and > there are those sightlings out there who use the keyboard and thus are > keyboarders. :) > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi Scott, >> >> Although I do not have my new Mac yet - I am using Windows at the >> moment as >> my old Mac broke and I had other reasons for moving away from Mac >> befoer >> coming back. >> >> Anyway... >> >> I have written to Apple in the past about this, and you may be >> correct that >> it may not be a widely used feature, but I will continue to write to >> them as >> well. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Howell" >> To: >> Cc: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS >> X by >> the blind" >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:33 PM >> Subject: Re: spaces in snowleopard? >> >> >>> >>> WIll opening the seed to more folks would not necessarily catch more >>> issues. Apple has a very diverse team of testers. As to your other >>> question, no at this time it is not possible and I strongly encourage >>> you to write to Apple about this. Trust me, a lot of folks would >>> like >>> this to change and it would benefit sighted folks as well. It makes >>> me wonder if the issue is that people are not really using Spaces and >>> so it is not a priority perhaps. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2009, at 6:51 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> Hi all, In snowleopard, can one set up spaces and then press command tab to switch between applications running in the current space? I heard that in leopard if one attempted this, and they had say 2 aps in space 1 and three in space 2, that command tab would cycle through all the applications in both spaces, not just in our 2 examples focus on the 2 programs in space 1 and the 3 in space 2, if this makes sense. Apple have known about this problem not working for 2 years now. I also feel that if the beta program were open to mo
What is Exposé, and how to use its assigned keys in Fusion [was Re: What is Spaces and ...}
Hi Mark and Others, M. Taylor wrote: > Also, what is Exposay? I'm pasting in a post I made to the mac-access list a few months ago, and I'll add some comments about why you want to disable (or at least reassign) the Exposé keys (F9, F10, and F11) so you can use them freely in Fusion. I also described Exposé in part of a post to this list on "Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes" -- submitted after this list moved to GoogleGroups, but before archiving at the Mail Archive site was enabled in February of this year. You can try to read that post at: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/msg/9477875096ee36fc? (Rewinding and Fast forwarding in iTunes [was Re: iTunes question]) (or run a Google search on "iTunes question Exposé macvisionaries rewinding" if the above link does not work). Exposé is a visual way of switching between active windows that is analogous to running VoiceOver's window chooser menu (VO-F2 twice). Instead of getting the results displayed within a list view, Exposé turns your entire screen into a kind of Finder window with each window displayed as a small thumbnail image as though you were using icon view mode. A sighted person who has many windows open simultaneously sees small versions of each window on the screen, with his current window highlighted, and can move his mouse cursor to quickly select the new one to switch to. As soon as a window is selected (by routing the cursor to the thumbnail of the desired window and clicking with mouse or trackpad key), Exposé shifts focus to that window. So it would be used in the same situations you would use the window chooser menu -- lots of windows being used simultaneously, and more efficient to query them instead of switching through them one by one with Command-accent -- but offers a visual mode of selection (icon view vs. list view). What happens when you press any of the Exposé shortcut keys -- F9, F10, or F11 -- is that the application is waiting for you to make a selection by clicking with your mouse on one of the thumbnail-view windows. If you simply press the same Exposé key again you get returned to your current window. The F9 key lets you select from all windows of all applications, while the F10 key lets you select from all windows of your current app. The third Exposé key, F11, lets you hide current windows so that sighted users can view the Desktop. A second press of F11 brings your current windows back to view. I can't think of any instance where a visually impaired Mac user would use Exposé, and VoiceOver should offer an option (and default setting) to disable all the Exposé shortcut keys, possibly along with the Dashboard widget shortcut key (F12). (I forgot to mention that there's another mode, where if you hold down the Shift key with the Exposé key the transition gets slowed down so that it's easier to follow your current window as it gets iconified in the Screen view. That's a real killer for VoiceOver users, because even if you think to press the key sequence again to reverse it and recover access to your window, nothing seems to happen because all the transitions are taking place in slow motion.) Just disable the keyboard shortcuts for the Exposé (and Dashboard) keys or at least reassign them to some other key sequences. On the newer keyboards they can interfere with your use of the media keys to control volume and forward/rewind action (if you forget to hold down the Fn key). 1. Bring up System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, down arrow into Apple menu, press "s y" to go to "System Preferences", return) 2. Navigate (e.g., tab 4 times) to "Exposé & Spaces" and select (VO- Space) 3. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the Exposé tab and select (VO-Space) 4. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the keyboard shortcuts for Exposé. 5. Change the popup buttons for each shortcut to "-" where the hyphen key is to the right of the "0" at the top row of numbers. (VO-right arrow past the definitions for "All Windows", "Application Windows", and "Show Desktop" to the popup buttons, VO-space, then press "-" to change from default definitions of F9, F10, and F11; you can also redefine these to some other key combination by selecting "Right Shift" or "Right Command", etc.) 6. Navigate (VO-right arrow) to the shortcut for Dashboard and similarly disable (by pressing the hyphen key) or reassign the shortcut from F12 to some other key sequence on the popup button. 7. Close the window (Command-W) Hope this helps. Going to the Keyboard Shortcuts tab of the "Keyboard & Mouse" menu under System Preferences, and unchecking the boxes for the Exposé and Dashboard shortcut definitions in the table also works, but if you use the "Exposé & Spaces" menu you'll find all the key definitions together in one place, along with a short explanation of what the Exposé action does. You can also more easily reassign the shortcu
snow leopard and rom
Hi all So I was using 1 gb of ram with my macbook running snow leopard. I upgraded it to 4 gb yesterday and am finding that it works noticably better. So I recommend a a ram upgrade if you are using less than 2 gb lol. Justin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Hi Donna, I use XP myself and will continue to do so for the time being. I had tried Vista for the sake of knowledge and curiosity and I'll probably give Windows 7 a shot as far as the desire to know what that is like as well. However, when it comes to using Windows when I have a need to, XP will continue to get the job done for me. Now, as for the NFB, it is not specific to them or any organization. Unfortunately, VoiceOver bashing has come from all of the major blindness groups at one time or another, dating back to the AFB when Tiger first came out. The NFB article you note is only one of a few publications that obviously did its best to discredit Apple and VoiceOver. Frankly, it is not a matter of taking a position. There are clearly special interests involved, which, I think, do not have to be spelled out, since the majority of blind computer users are utilizing Windows and the implications can be taken from there. As the saying goes, follow the money trail. My experience I referred to mentioned an NFB show, but I have encountered the same sort of negative reactions at other trade shows having nothing to do with specific blindness organizations. Whether these individuals were members of any, I have no idea. I was just pointing out that it is not necessarily the Mac community that demonstrates such hostility and shameful behavior. And you are absolutely correct. As the saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right and such nastiness should not be acceptable from any quarter, especially over something as trivial in life as ones choice of computer access. Similarly, however, one should also not take immediate offense or the like if someone offers an opinion about a given operating system that is supported by experience, documentation or general knowledge. In other words, as I said, I do take my share of shots at Windows, but I always keep my remarks in line with reality and experience and what is being also talked about in technical articles and forums. As far as I am concerned, there is no company, OS or product that is perfect, regardless of whether it is Apple, Microsoft or anyone else. Take Care John Panarese On Aug 31, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi All, > > First, a couple of points to provide some context. I have never > used Windows vista. I never understood why anyone installed that > OS, it got bad reviews before it was ever released. My PC's sstill > running XP. I also have never had any affiliation with NFB, and I > have no desire to do so. If an organization takes a hostile posture > against the Mac or anything else, well, that's sort of what > organizations do--they take positions on things. If you don't like > the things than an organization stands for, don't join. Or if you > want, form another group to oppose them. But they represent only > their organization, nothingmore. I thought their interview of the > Mac was frankly stupid. The person who did it was not nearly > experienced enough on the Mac to do anything more than put forth an > initial opinion, and barely that NFB figured this out apparently, as > they ended up with egg on their face having to recant some of the > statements they'd made. > > Second, and I know I'm going to sound like all of our mothers, does > the fact that Johny or susie did it make it right? I don't doubt > that John has experienced the hostility that he described. But the > fact that someone else is being a jerk doesn't give you or me the > right to be a jerk too. > > Lastly, the intent of my message was never to "defend Windows" as > Marie claimed, nor to make any evaluation of one operating system > over the other. My point was simply that having more choices is > better for the blind community as a whole, and people who don't > dislike Windows aren't idiots any more than are those who choose > Mac. Windows and Mac are two perfectly viable choices for blind > users, and none of us has the right to act as though s/he is > superior over anyone else because of the choice that we make, or > because we don't despise the other choice. I'm telling you what I > know from personal experience. There are many folks out there who > either don't want to participate in Mac lists, or who stay away from > the Mac because of attitudes they see from members of the Mac > community. So, by being condescending, you're just shooting > yoursellves in the foot, if what you want is for the Mac to hold a > more prominent place in the blind user community. As I said before, > let's just support each other, whatever OS we choose. In the long > run it'll be better for everyone. > > Ok, all this said, this is my last post on this topic. I think this > thread has run its course. > Best, > Donna > > -Original Message- > From: Dan Eickmeier > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:02 AM > To:
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Donna Goodin To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program Hi Anouk, Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other programs. Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: going quickly between windows in a program Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would still be quicker then the window user, Greetings, Anouk, No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 05:50:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Hello Brent, I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that will be released to the public next month. It installs perfectly. Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is very heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, one had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Microsoft removed this feature. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find when you need it? - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > Hello Everyone, > > Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but > enough > to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. > > 1. > I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home > page. > > 2. > I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all > now sharing the same media library. > > 3. > I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts and > configured some network workgroups. > > 4. > I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net > when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've > installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that > had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. > > 5. > I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs > for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows computer > until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it > for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. > I > was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct > drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This Mac > is a beautiful thing. > > I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just > wanted > to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's > a > great experience. > > One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In > fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in > comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would > be > this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the > saying goes, "Never say Never." > > Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS > VoiceOver > gestures on the MacBook track pad. > > I have a question about Safari: > > Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it takes > up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? > Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get > the > Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. > > Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Mark > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
keyboard layout?
Hello, as a follow up to my last message, where can i see what keyboard layout i use? i looked in system preferences/keyboard and mouse but cant find it there. Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: going quickly between windows in a program
Hi Anouk, you should find the key you're looking for to the left of z. Might be different on your keyboard layout, but try command with that first and let us know how you get on. hth Scott On 8/31/09, a radix wrote: > Hello, i know this is dumb but where is this key located on my keyboard? > Thanks, > Greetings, Anouk, > - Original Message - > From: Donna Goodin > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:10 PM > Subject: RE: going quickly between windows in a program > > > Hi Anouk, > > > > Try Command-Accent. I know this works in Finder, not sure about other > programs. > > Donna > > > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of a radix > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:46 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: going quickly between windows in a program > > > > Hello, i took my macbook pro to school today and it went well for the most > part, although apparently one of the fkeys or other keys in the top row > freezes the keyboard which i found out by accident. > > I wonder though, i know there is the window chooser and the application > chooser but is there a command like contro ltab or something to quickly and > immediately switch between different windows in one program? That would > still be quicker then the window user, > > Greetings, Anouk, > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.72/2337 - Release Date: 08/31/09 > 05:50:00 > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question
Wow, i cant udnerstand that either! i mean i can udnerstand it wont work with all soundcards but I bet most blind people would not mind at all having to buy an usb headset and i bet many already have one. I was able to install windows xp myself with a dos braille display to format and partition my drive and then a diskette with an answer file but it was not fun, after that i used narrator to install the driver but I have heard sam often enough now to last me a lifetime. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" To: Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:46 PM Subject: RE: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > Hello Brent, > > I was a private beta tester for Windows 7 so I have the final version that > will be released to the public next month. > > It installs perfectly. > > Yes, one still needs sighted assistance to install Windows 7. This is > very > heart breaking considering the fact that in the first beta release of 7, > one > had the option to get audio assistance. For the life of me, I cannot > understand why Microsoft removed this feature. > > Mark > > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brent Harding > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:08 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > > How does 7 end up installing with Boot Camp? Can one even get it yet any > more? Do you still need the dreaded sighted help that's impossible to find > when you need it? > > - Original Message - > From: "M. Taylor" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:23 AM > Subject: Baby Steps with the White Cat and, Mark Has A Question > > >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Well, I took a few baby steps today. Not as many as I had hoped but >> enough >> to make me even more glad I decided to take a walk with the white cat. >> >> 1. >> I customized my desktop and setup Safari to launch on my preferred home >> page. >> >> 2. >> I setup and configured iTunes so that it and my Windows computers are all >> now sharing the same media library. >> >> 3. >> I configured the startup setting options and created some new accounts >> and >> configured some network workgroups. >> >> 4. >> I setup my Verizon Wireless Air card so that I can have access to the Net >> when I'm out and about. Yes, this was the first third-party app I've >> installed on my Mac. It went well, a little confusing but I suspect that >> had more to do with Verizon Wireless than the Mac OS. >> >> 5. >> I ran the Boot Camp utility and installed Windows 7. I only used 32 gigs >> for Windows 7 as I do not intend to use this machine as a Windows >> computer >> until I gain much, much more experience using the Mac OS. I installed it >> for the experience of doing so and so I may assist others in the future. >> I >> was impressed that the Snow Leopard 10.6 DVD came with all of the correct >> drivers for Windows 7 thus, all of the hardware works correctly. This >> Mac >> is a beautiful thing. >> >> I promise I will not write everyday telling of my progress but I just >> wanted >> to share that I have begun taking baby steps with the Mac and so far it's >> a >> great experience. >> >> One thing is for certain, for iPhone 3GS users, the Mac OS is a must. In >> fact, Windows, even my beloved Windows 7 is already beginning to pale in >> comparison to Snow Leopard. If someone had told me two weeks ago I would >> be >> this enamored with the Mac, I would have thought him crazy but, as the >> saying goes, "Never say Never." >> >> Even in this short time, I feel quite at home using the iPhone 3GS >> VoiceOver >> gestures on the MacBook track pad. >> >> I have a question about Safari: >> >> Is there a way to maximize the size of the Safari Windows so that it >> takes >> up more of the Desktop than it does when it is supposed to be sizable? >> Currently, regardless of whether I select the Zoom button, I cannot get >> the >> Safari Windows to fill most of the display screen. >> >> Any tips on this will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
