A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
Hello Everyone, My name is Mark Taylor. As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro 13 inch notebook. I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a clean install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added an additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be removed in order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly painless. Note, if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the fact that there are different size screws that must be replaced correctly. I swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. (Smile) I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS via the new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe this grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging information with you. Most Sincerely, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Supported apps on Snow Leopard
A weird thing that I'm having happen in Adium, is when going through my contacts list, before a contact's name, Voiceover will say, "Empty." This is probably something which Adium developers could probably fix. As this isn't happening inany other tables for me. On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:12 AM, matthew dyer wrote: > > I see that aydim works fine, but grol some times it does and other > times not. > > Matthew > > > > On 8/27/09, David Hole wrote: >> >> Hello folks >> Check out this one to see if your apps works under Snow Leopard: >> http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ >> David >> >>> >> > > > -- > You can lead a heart to love, but you can't make it fall. > > MSN/e-mail: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com > AIM: mattdy1 > skype: graduater2004. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braille tables for other languages
Hello Will, On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:42 AM, william lomas wrote: > > which braille display would you recommend, I assume still the > Syncbraille? > You assume correctly. I just wish I could afford one of those. I still have my PAC Mate 20 and will just have to make do with that. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braille tables for other languages
Hope I can find a UK dealer for it, smile On 29 Aug 2009, at 08:51, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Will, > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:42 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> which braille display would you recommend, I assume still the >> Syncbraille? >> > You assume correctly. I just wish I could afford one of those. I still > have my PAC Mate 20 and will just have to make do with that. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: flac to alac converter, max from sbooth
Hello, that is good to know, i will download it later today and see if it can do flac to alac. when you do ogg to mp3 are your tags saved? Greetings, Anouk - Original Message - From: Maxwell Ivey Jr. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Re: flac to alac converter, max from sbooth Hello; I use aprogram called max for converting ogg to mp3 files. Is this what you are asking about? it was a little tricky to get it set up, but once you do it will process as many files as you cue up. It works in the background and will announce when all encoding tasks are done. I hope this helps. Good luck, Max On Aug 28, 2009, at 11:30 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, has anyone tried max from sbooth? I wonder if it can do batsh convertion. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
does that mean orca will die in linux to - Original Message - From: Chris Hofstader To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:14 AM Subject: Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot I've heard from friends at Sun, the people who brought you the Java Access Bridge for Windows and GNU/Linux platforms that there has been a Macintosh version in the works. Since then, though, two major events have changed the landscape: 1. Sun has been acquired by Oracle, a company who, at best, has been lukewarm to accessibility and the Sun powerhouse accessibility team may be starved of funds as Oracle doesn't seem to see it as terribly important. 2. The fellow who, as a volunteer, wrote the newish Window-Eyes Java support code using the very cool GW scripting facility, did so by ignoring the Access Bridge and communicating with the Java VM directly. the GW scripts are profoundly faster than those in JAWS and they include more information in a much more well organized manner. Also, the GW Java is much more stable as the bridge introduced an entire layer of flaky code. I don't know anything about how Macintosh programs communicate with each other but, following the GW lead, I would assume one could build a solution based on the WE scripts as the part that talks to the VM is going to be very similar if not identical. Happy Hacking, cdh On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: Hmm, in the windows world, there was a java access bridge that interfaced between Windows accessibility and Java Swing. Is there anything like that for the Mac? I wonder how hard it would be to port. (I am not a good enough programmer to do this right now.) Jon On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: From poking around it would appear that NeoOffice uses Java swing for the user interface and I suspect the Java swing to apple accessibility API connections are either not wired up or non-existant. I just downloaded NeoOffice and isntalled patch 7 and it was still inaccessible. It defaulted to opening up a text processor document and nothing I typed was read back to me. CB a radix wrote: Hello, I wonder, why is neooffice not accessible? I thought it was a fork of openoffice and even a fork made more for the mac then openoffice. Should it not then be more accesible? Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Boxee?
is it vo friendy?s - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Boxee? Its an entertainment oriented app. Ultimately, you'd hook your computer to your TV. You can access Netflix, Hulu, and all sorts of other online video and audio services in addition to media on your own network. It has bit torrent built in and all sorts of other features. It also allows you to share what you're watching or listening to and you can see what others are checking out as well. A great social networking aspect. It looks very cool. On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:09 AM, hank smith wrote: what does this thing do? - Original Message - From: Larry Wanger To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Boxee? Is anyone successfully able to use VO with Boxee? I’m considering downloading and investigating it but thought I’d ask. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Does anyone know how to install RAM on the White MacBooks?
Hi folks, Does anyone know how to install RAM on the White MacBooks? can anyone give step by step instructions please? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Snow leopard - bug, feature or something inbetween?
hi good people out there in Apple land. I have just installed the new Snow Leopard yesterday and am very impressed with what it has done for us blind folks, however i have a question about a thing i noticed whilst doing the first steps in SL. There's a feature that lets you hear text that's under the mouse after a certain amount of time, however, if i have this checkbox checked i find that text gets read two or sometimes three or more times and that happens for every move i make with the VO arrow keys. This is, i believe, because the cursor tracking feature is turned on. However if i uncheck this box, which i have done now, i don't get any feedback at all when moving the mouse, which is unfortunate at times when i want text under the mouse read. What gives here? How do other folks cope with this problem? Is it a bug or a feature? Thankful for any answers. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
holding place in a webpage when cmd-tabbing
Hello, can you accomplish this with hotspots? I noticed yesterday i loose my place in a webpage if i comd-tab to itunes for example. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Changing voices on the fly
Hi, In the voice parameters list reached via vo-command-left- and right arrows, there's now a new parameter called something like "default voice". This parameter changes the default voice of VO to any voice you want. You go to the voice parameter by hitting vo-cmd-left or right arrow and change the parameters with vo-cmd-down or up arrow. The really cool thing with this though, is that when you have chosen the voice you want it automagically goes to the top of the list and the voice you had before is one arrow down from the voice you have now, so if i want to change from Alex to Swedish Elin, all i have to use is vo-cmd-down arrow and Elin becomes default and change places with Alex making it extremely easy to switch between voices. Hope this clarifies things. /Krister 28 aug 2009 kl. 20.58 skrev James & Nash: > > One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change > voices on > the fly, that's cool > > How does this feature work? Do you have to navigate through all the > various > voices on Mac OS X or can you customize the list? Could you elaborate > please? > > Thank you > > Take care > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
Yes, and not only that, Vo remembers what parameter you used last and also the order of the voices. It's just awesomely easy now to change languages on the fly. /Krister 28 aug 2009 kl. 21.01 skrev william lomas: > > if you change voices on the fly are the recent voices you used at the > top of the list? > > On 28 Aug 2009, at 19:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> What i can't help wondering about is if drag and drop is better >> supported in SL. For some reason i can't reach the voiceover keyboard >> commands. The page is empty and i can't fathom why. If there's a text >> file of the keyboard reference somewhere, i'd be happy to get it. >> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change >> voices >> on the fly, that's cool >> /Krister >> 28 aug 2009 kl. 17.02 skrev Larry Wanger: >> >>> >>> Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee >>> it >>> as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands >>> on >>> it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not >>> allow >>> for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound >>> terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old >>> now. >>> Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it. Too bad. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote: >>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest iteration of Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective. As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on Snow Leopard. You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
The thing i was refering to is the voiceover help. The only thing i see there are the page with the links to the different subjects, not the help pages themselves, they are empty. Probably, the help pages for Voiceover in Snowleopard aren't yet translated to Swedish, but they could've linked to the english help pages. /Krister 28 aug 2009 kl. 23.58 skrev Esther: > > Hi Krister, > > Which menu of keyboard commands are you referring to? Is this on the > of the menus that shows up under the VoiceOver menu (VO-F7)? Or do > you mean the list of commands: > > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/voiceoverkeys.shtml > > I also keep a copy of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide to Leopard, > and make a bookmark in Preview to the Appendix page that lists all the > VoiceOver shortcuts (starting page 103), and also to the NumPad > Commander shortcuts. Then, when I navigate to the Bookmarks menu in > Preview and select the shortcut, Preview will find and open the Guide > for me at the desired page from the bookmark. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> What i can't help wondering about is if drag and drop is better >> supported in SL. For some reason i can't reach the voiceover keyboard >> commands. The page is empty and i can't fathom why. If there's a text >> file of the keyboard reference somewhere, i'd be happy to get it. >> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change >> voices >> on the fly, that's cool >> /Krister >> 28 aug 2009 kl. 17.02 skrev Larry Wanger: >> >>> >>> Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee >>> it >>> as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands >>> on >>> it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not >>> allow >>> for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound >>> terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old >>> now. >>> Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it. Too bad. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote: >>> Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard with VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest iteration of Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users perspective. As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts on Snow Leopard. You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver
That's great. Thank you for the clarification. It was always a pain in the butt to have to go through the VO Utility to change languages. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver > > > Yes, and not only that, Vo remembers what parameter you used last and > also the order of the voices. It's just awesomely easy now to change > languages on the fly. > /Krister > 28 aug 2009 kl. 21.01 skrev william lomas: > >> >> if you change voices on the fly are the recent voices you used at the >> top of the list? >> >> On 28 Aug 2009, at 19:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> What i can't help wondering about is if drag and drop is better >>> supported in SL. For some reason i can't reach the voiceover keyboard >>> commands. The page is empty and i can't fathom why. If there's a text >>> file of the keyboard reference somewhere, i'd be happy to get it. >>> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change >>> voices >>> on the fly, that's cool >>> /Krister >>> 28 aug 2009 kl. 17.02 skrev Larry Wanger: >>> Great review. I was going to wait and get SL later as I didn't seee it as a must have but after reading this I can't wait to get my hands on it. My Macbook Pro is from May of 2007 and I suspect it does not allow for the track pad navigation but the other improvements sound terrific. My poor iMac G5 is a power PC model that is 4 years old now. Its being left in the dust, can't even upgrade it. Too bad. On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Maccessibility wrote: > > Review - Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard With VoiceOver > > We're pleased to bring you our review of Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard > with > VoiceOver, where Josh de Lioncourt takes a look at the latest > iteration of > Apple's Macintosh operating system from a VoiceOver users > perspective. > As always, enjoy, and feel free to comment with your own thoughts > on > Snow > Leopard. > > You can read the rest of this news item at: > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/28/review-mac-os-x-10-6-snow-leopard-with-voiceover/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network > "...it's all within our reach..." > http://maccessibility.net > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Changing voices on the fly
Yes it does tahnk you. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: Re: Changing voices on the fly > > Hi, > In the voice parameters list reached via vo-command-left- and right > arrows, there's now a new parameter called something like "default > voice". This parameter changes the default voice of VO to any voice > you want. You go to the voice parameter by hitting vo-cmd-left or > right arrow and change the parameters with vo-cmd-down or up arrow. > The really cool thing with this though, is that when you have chosen > the voice you want it automagically goes to the top of the list and > the voice you had before is one arrow down from the voice you have > now, so if i want to change from Alex to Swedish Elin, all i have to > use is vo-cmd-down arrow and Elin becomes default and change places > with Alex making it extremely easy to switch between voices. > Hope this clarifies things. > /Krister > > 28 aug 2009 kl. 20.58 skrev James & Nash: > >> >> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change >> voices on >> the fly, that's cool >> >> How does this feature work? Do you have to navigate through all the >> various >> voices on Mac OS X or can you customize the list? Could you elaborate >> please? >> >> Thank you >> >> Take care >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
Mark, welcome welcome. You really have started to use the most advanced os available and quite frankly the most accessible in so many ways. I hope you find the os to serve your needs and let us know if you need help. On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is Mark Taylor. > > As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro > 13 inch > notebook. > > I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a > clean > install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added an > additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. > > Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be > removed in > order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly > painless. Note, > if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the > fact > that there are different size screws that must be replaced > correctly. I > swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. > (Smile) > > > I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS > via the > new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe > this > grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." > > Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging > information with you. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Snow leopard - bug, feature or something inbetween?
I haven't encountered this issue and in fact I ended up turning it off since it provides information I already knew. If you can't resolve the issue, send a note to accessibil...@apple.com, so they can flag it for further investigation. On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > hi good people out there in Apple land. > I have just installed the new Snow Leopard yesterday and am very > impressed with what it has done for us blind folks, however i have a > question about a thing i noticed whilst doing the first steps in SL. > There's a feature that lets you hear text that's under the mouse after > a certain amount of time, however, if i have this checkbox checked i > find that text gets read two or sometimes three or more times and that > happens for every move i make with the VO arrow keys. This is, i > believe, because the cursor tracking feature is turned on. However if > i uncheck this box, which i have done now, i don't get any feedback at > all when moving the mouse, which is unfortunate at times when i want > text under the mouse read. What gives here? How do other folks cope > with this problem? Is it a bug or a feature? > Thankful for any answers. > /Krister > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Correction about Braille tables
Ahem, excuse me, but isn't it Brltty that provides the braille tables? I could be wrong, but i think that it's so. /Krister 29 aug 2009 kl. 00.37 skrev James & Nash: > > First off, I think Anne and Archie are doing a fantastic job > compling and > distributing these tables so keep up the good work both of you > smile. This > is a fantastic thing you are doing for the community so thank you > both very > much. > > Secondly, Orca is written in Python, so if you want to try and > import the > Orca Braille tables it would be worth looking at if this is possible. > > Take care > > james > - Original Message - > From: "william lomas" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: Correction about Braille tables > > >> >> can we import the tables from orca i wonder? like chinese? >> >> On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:19, Chris Hofstader wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think you can probably get a whole bunch of braille tables for >>> different languages if you look at the orca project which seems to >>> support about a zillion languages and dialects. It's all free >>> software so you needn't worry about copyright in any traditional >>> sense >>> of the term. >>> >>> cdh >>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> Hello everyone, I made a mistake about Swedish. This is another language for which we still need the Braille codes. Cheers, Anne > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: status menu?
To access the status menu, hold down the command and option keys, and press the m key twice in quick succession. Rafael Bejarano On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:37 AM, a radix wrote: > Hello, my brother tried my mac today and apparently, to the right of > the apple menu there is a status menu where you can see your airport > status, the time and the battery status. Can anyone tell me where i > can find it because i would like to check how long my battery can > hold out. > Thanks, > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Correction about Braille tables
Actually I think you are correct. You can find more info at: http://live.gnome.org/Orca Remember that Orca has a capital O - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Correction about Braille tables > > Ahem, excuse me, but isn't it Brltty that provides the braille tables? > I could be wrong, but i think that it's so. > /Krister > > 29 aug 2009 kl. 00.37 skrev James & Nash: > >> >> First off, I think Anne and Archie are doing a fantastic job >> compling and >> distributing these tables so keep up the good work both of you >> smile. This >> is a fantastic thing you are doing for the community so thank you >> both very >> much. >> >> Secondly, Orca is written in Python, so if you want to try and >> import the >> Orca Braille tables it would be worth looking at if this is possible. >> >> Take care >> >> james >> - Original Message - >> From: "william lomas" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Correction about Braille tables >> >> >>> >>> can we import the tables from orca i wonder? like chinese? >>> >>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 21:19, Chris Hofstader wrote: >>> Hi, I think you can probably get a whole bunch of braille tables for different languages if you look at the orca project which seems to support about a zillion languages and dialects. It's all free software so you needn't worry about copyright in any traditional sense of the term. cdh On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I made a mistake about Swedish. This is another language for > which we > still need the Braille codes. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Changing voices on the fly
That's really nice. Thanks for the information. I requested that feature to Apple a few munths ago, so I'm really glad to hear that they have put it in Snowleopard. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 29/08/2009, at 11.37, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi, > In the voice parameters list reached via vo-command-left- and right > arrows, there's now a new parameter called something like "default > voice". This parameter changes the default voice of VO to any voice > you want. You go to the voice parameter by hitting vo-cmd-left or > right arrow and change the parameters with vo-cmd-down or up arrow. > The really cool thing with this though, is that when you have chosen > the voice you want it automagically goes to the top of the list and > the voice you had before is one arrow down from the voice you have > now, so if i want to change from Alex to Swedish Elin, all i have to > use is vo-cmd-down arrow and Elin becomes default and change places > with Alex making it extremely easy to switch between voices. > Hope this clarifies things. > /Krister > > 28 aug 2009 kl. 20.58 skrev James & Nash: > >> >> One feature that's also worth mentioning is that you can change >> voices on >> the fly, that's cool >> >> How does this feature work? Do you have to navigate through all the >> various >> voices on Mac OS X or can you customize the list? Could you elaborate >> please? >> >> Thank you >> >> Take care >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braille tables for other languages
Hi. I highly recommend the Braille displays called Vario Connect from a german company called Baum. I'll say that these Braille displays are the best displays in the world. You can read more about them at the following link: http://www.baum.de/en/products/brailledisplay/vconnect12.php Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 29/08/2009, at 09.51, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Will, > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:42 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> which braille display would you recommend, I assume still the >> Syncbraille? >> > You assume correctly. I just wish I could afford one of those. I still > have my PAC Mate 20 and will just have to make do with that. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Ecto now 99.9 percent accessible!
Hi Krister, The label feature works as follows: •Find and focus VO on a button or item you would like to set a label for, you can set labels for buttons that do have labels already if you like. You can not set labels for scroll areas and a couple of other items. •Press the shortcut for the label feature (on my norwegian keyboard it is VO-Dash), you can find the shortcut by pressing VO-H, go to the commands menu, into the General sub menu and find the set label feature. •Enter the label you want on that item and press OK. You are done and have got a new label. YOu can export and import labels shared by others. Just be aware that when you export labels, you will export all your labels set in all applications, and the person importing labels, will get his similar labels overwritten by yours. Hope this helps, and happy labeling ;-) John André Den 29. aug. 2009 kl. 12.30 skrev Krister Ekstrom: > > For those using Ecto and have installed Snow Leopard, i'm happy to say > that from the smallish experiments i've done with Ecto it looks like > you're finally able to use the html and the rich text editor both. > Earlier on in Leopard it was only possible to use the html editor, > where you did the coding yourself, now you can even use the wysiwyg > style editor, at least as it looks. Voiceover even anounsed the edit > area, not as html content as in earlier versions but as edit field. I > haven't tried interacting with the editor to see if weird things come > up then, but i can write and delete text and even see what i'm typing. > If anyone has anything more to add to this observation, please feel > free to do so. Now there's all those unlabeled buttons and check > boxes. I don't know how to label them, is this a feature reachable via > the voiceover menu? > Thanks. > /Krister > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Is Keynote Accessible?
Hi there, Just looking at upgrade options at the moment. I am very tempted to buy the IWork 09 suite as part of the upgrade to SL. However, I'd only do so if Keynote were accessible - as it's a tool I would use a hell of a lot. Has anyone used it successfully? Thanks, Dónal Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick School of Computing, Dublin City University Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland Tel. +353(0)1 700 8929 Fax. +353(0)1 7005442 Email: dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Ecto now 99.9 percent accessible!
For those using Ecto and have installed Snow Leopard, i'm happy to say that from the smallish experiments i've done with Ecto it looks like you're finally able to use the html and the rich text editor both. Earlier on in Leopard it was only possible to use the html editor, where you did the coding yourself, now you can even use the wysiwyg style editor, at least as it looks. Voiceover even anounsed the edit area, not as html content as in earlier versions but as edit field. I haven't tried interacting with the editor to see if weird things come up then, but i can write and delete text and even see what i'm typing. If anyone has anything more to add to this observation, please feel free to do so. Now there's all those unlabeled buttons and check boxes. I don't know how to label them, is this a feature reachable via the voiceover menu? Thanks. /Krister --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Security on Mac OS X 10.6
Hi folks, There is - or there used to be - not sure if it still exists, a PDF book on the Apple website for making Mac OS X 10.5 secure. Does anyone have any indication as to when or even if a security book will be available for Mac OS X 10.6 please? Thank you James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Amadeus Pro: Marking
Hi! Okay I'm a bit behind on my mail here. A few days ago a list member was asking questions about marking with Amadeus Pro? Well here's something which should put their mind at ease, pressing "m" during record, playback or stop mode will place a marker at the insertion point, you can use option-left or option-right arrow to move between your markers. You can go into the "markers" window to make fine adjustments to the positions of your markers, name them and so on. you can use the "Auto Generate Markers" option in the "Selection" menu to have Amadeus Pro auto generate markers on specific criteria, silent gaps for example. Hope this helps. ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Even 5 more new findings in Finder
Hi, Well, 10 new features, all small and nice, was not enough for a hungry Cat, so here is even 5 more findings in Finder: •Wanna set a shortcut for converting some text in Finder, Mail, TextEdit or anywhere else directly to a spoken audio file in iTunes? You can set a shortcut for this and anything else in Finder or other apps by going to the menu bar in Finder, enter the Finder menu, open the Services menu item and select the Services Preferences. There you have the command center for all your shortcuts now. Including some new and very useful features. •Wanna check your version, your Macs serial number or the MacOS build number in a quick way? Take a look in the "About this Mac" under the Apple menu. Each time you click on the button showing the version number, you will get a new piece of info. •Confused by the "Select all" procedure in Leopard, where standing on a folder selects all the items inside of it? Well, not anymore. If you dive into a folder in column mode, containing several items, and focus on a folder, a command-A will select all items in the folder you dived into, and not the items in the folder you have focused on. •Need to run a 64-bit app in 32-bit mode by some reason? In the command-I info window you will find a checkbox for just that purpose somewhere down in that window. •Using iDisk from your Finder and would like to solve sync conflicts automatically? Open System Preferences, go to the MobileMe panel, click on the iDisk tag and check the checkbox at the bottom to make sure iDisk always keeps the file with the newest modification date. Investigation continues, mission not completed. ;-) Take care, John André --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Security on Mac OS X 10.6
James that is hard to say, but I think you'll find most that info still will apply to SL as well. I have a copy of that book and just seem to get around to reading bits of it, but seems quite interesting. On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:29 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Hi folks, > > There is - or there used to be - not sure if it still exists, a PDF > book on > the Apple website for making Mac OS X 10.5 secure. Does anyone have > any > indication as to when or even if a security book will be available > for Mac > OS X 10.6 please? > > Thank you > > James > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Security on Mac OS X 10.6
Yes i agree, it is interesting and I think there is also a Take Control E Book on Security too which I've lost so I'll have to get it again. - Original Message - From: "Scott Howell" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Security on Mac OS X 10.6 > > James that is hard to say, but I think you'll find most that info > still will apply to SL as well. I have a copy of that book and just > seem to get around to reading bits of it, but seems quite interesting. > On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:29 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> Hi folks, >> >> There is - or there used to be - not sure if it still exists, a PDF >> book on >> the Apple website for making Mac OS X 10.5 secure. Does anyone have >> any >> indication as to when or even if a security book will be available >> for Mac >> OS X 10.6 please? >> >> Thank you >> >> James >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: clean install or upgrade?
Cool, as soon as I finish going through my email, I'm going to do the install as well as the pod cast, got the snow leopard DVD sitting right here. On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > Cool, I'm planning to do a clean install as well. Looking forward to > that podcast Mike. > On Aug 28, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> >> I would reccomend that you do a clean install, it may take a bit more >> time to reinstall everything, but it's usually more reliable, >> certainly that's what I'm going to do, and I plan on recording mac >> pod >> cast number 10, dedicated to the install of snow leopard, so stay >> tuned for that. >> On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:17 AM, a radix wrote: >> >>> Hello, i am ordering sl via the phone now. I wonder, is an upgrade >>> (so not a totally clean install) recommended? I know it is a VERY >>> BAD IDEA on a iwndows machine but i wonder if it is ok on a mac? I >>> would actually like it if my current settings could be used. >>> Greetings, Anouk >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
> Hank asked: does that mean orca will die in linux to? cdh replies: The beauty of free software like orca versus proprietary software like JAWS (for instance) is that although Sun Microsystems has led the orca development, virtually any hacker or group thereof can take the source and continue the project. The nation of Brazil has elected to standardize all of its government owned and operated computing devices on free, GNU/Linux operating systems. They have two major reasons: the first, they fear that Apple and/or Microsoft may have built in some code into Windows and OSX to spy for the American government. Given the human rights record demonstrated by Yahoo and others spying for the Chinese government, why not think that the two biggest OS vendors may be helping out Uncle Sam? With the GNU/Linux OS, they have every line of source code and their own security personnel can go through one line at a time and make sure no such code exists before the Brazilian secrets show up at Fort Mead. The second reason is price. A GNU/Linux distribution will run pretty nicely on a clunky, single core, 32 bit used Dell; Snow Leopard and Windows 7 require pretty hefty hardware to be used effectively. The orca question comes in as Brazil has laws regarding people with disabilities that are far stronger than our wimpy ADA and their laws include explicit language about technology. So, while Sun is organizing the project, Brazil and other nations are contributing hackers to the project to help keep it moving forward. There are a number of other governments making similar decisions for similar reasons - after our government got caught spying on Americans, all credibility that we were not spying on everyone else flew out the window and closed and complicated technology is in the James Bond book of tricks. Those of us who get to use Macintosh and even Windows with our screen reader of choice really need to realize just how fortunate we are. I spend a fair amount of time in Ubuntu with orca and, often, emacspeak. The latter is highly stable and crusty old farts like me still remember a large portion of the complex emacs keystroke catalogue. Orca does a not bad job in a few high profile programs but, because few developers are coding to the gnome standard and, therefore, few programs support the excellent gnome accessibility API, orca gets a lot less "for free" than Macintosh or Windows. For we who write programs or test systems on GNU/Linux platforms, it is pretty good as it has fully accessible tools fart in excess of anything Mac or Windows offer. For most others who need orca, though, it is a bit clunky and often unstable. I'd love to suggest that we all walk away from the world of proprietary software but, developing for niche audiences like us blinks fails to meet the critical mass necessary to sustain a world of free software hackers like the server tools, Apache, etc. So, while we love to praise Apple and boo Microsoft, they are really the only alternatives for blinks who don't want to spend a whole lot of time fixing their environment. cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: holding place in a webpage when cmd-tabbing
Hello Anouk, On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:16 AM, a radix wrote: > can you accomplish this with hotspots? I noticed yesterday i loose > my place in a webpage if i comd-tab to itunes for example. Yes, hotspots is what you need for this. You can also use hotspots in text documents. Cheers, Anne > Greetings, Anouk, > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
Hey Mark, that's great, I figured you might get a mac sooner or later, and I think you will be a great adition to the mac community. When you can, give itunes a try, you may like it better than in windows. The windows screen companies better be ware, the snow leopard is coming for them, lol. On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is Mark Taylor. > > As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro > 13 inch > notebook. > > I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a > clean > install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added an > additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. > > Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be > removed in > order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly > painless. Note, > if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the > fact > that there are different size screws that must be replaced > correctly. I > swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. > (Smile) > > > I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS > via the > new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe > this > grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." > > Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging > information with you. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Braille during installation
Hello everyone, It is now possible for non-English speakers to install Snow Leopard using a Braille display as uncontracted Braille is used during installation. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: holding place in a webpage when cmd-tabbing
Hello Anne, Tha'ts good to hear. Do you know why you need to use hotspots? Why do you think VO does not keep its place automatically - just curious. I wonder if it could be because VO seems to treat blind users the same as sighed users. What do you think? Take care james - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: holding place in a webpage when cmd-tabbing Hello Anouk, On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:16 AM, a radix wrote: can you accomplish this with hotspots? I noticed yesterday i loose my place in a webpage if i comd-tab to itunes for example. Yes, hotspots is what you need for this. You can also use hotspots in text documents. Cheers, Anne Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users
Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users Recently, FaceBook.com updated their iPhone application to version 3.0. Apparently, no attention to accessibility was paid, as the app has gone from being a fantastic interface for VOiceOver users, to being entirely inaccessible. The application now consists of endless unlabeled buttons, and an exploration throughout the app reveals no other information anywhere. We are advising VoiceOver [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/29/facebook-com-updates-iphone-app-rendering-it-inaccessible-for-voiceover-users/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users
Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users Recently, FaceBook.com updated their iPhone application to version 3.0. Apparently, no attention to accessibility was paid, as the app has gone from being a fantastic interface for VOiceOver users, to being entirely inaccessible. The application now consists of endless unlabeled buttons, and an exploration throughout the app reveals no other information anywhere. We are advising VoiceOver [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/29/facebook-com-updates-iphone-app-rendering-it-inaccessible-for-voiceover-users/ The Mac-cessibility Network "...it's all within our reach..." http://maccessibility.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
getting two or more copies of each message
I'm getting two and sometimes three copies of each message from these two groups, and three or more from the VIphone list. Is this a list problem or some Gmail problem, and if the latter, where / how do I go about tracking it down and fixing it? Thanks much. thanks much. thanks much... Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've Entered MacLand
Good luck to you. I may be purchasing one today. - Original Message - From: "Les Kriegler" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:16 AM Subject: I've Entered MacLand I've purchased our first Apple System since 1985 when we bought an Apple 2E. How's that for dating myself? It's a MacBook Pro and it should arrive within the week. I was informed that Snow Leopard may be installed, but if not, I'll receive the installation package. Very much looking forward to some hands-on experience and using VoiceOver! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4378 (20090828) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: I've Entered MacLand
Good luck to you as well. Les -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:14 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I've Entered MacLand Good luck to you. I may be purchasing one today. - Original Message - From: "Les Kriegler" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:16 AM Subject: I've Entered MacLand I've purchased our first Apple System since 1985 when we bought an Apple 2E. How's that for dating myself? It's a MacBook Pro and it should arrive within the week. I was informed that Snow Leopard may be installed, but if not, I'll receive the installation package. Very much looking forward to some hands-on experience and using VoiceOver! Les __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4378 (20090828) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4379 (20090829) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4379 (20090829) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4379 (20090829) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Braille tables for other languages
I wonder if the Focus 40 Blue from Freedom Science Fiction would work. It's a Bluetooth display with 40 cells, oddly enough. Blake > From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Braille tables for other languages > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:47:24 +0200 > > > Hi. > > I highly recommend the Braille displays called Vario Connect from a > german company called Baum. I'll say that these Braille displays are > the best displays in the world. You can read more about them at the > following link: > http://www.baum.de/en/products/brailledisplay/vconnect12.php > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > On 29/08/2009, at 09.51, Anne Robertson wrote: > > > > > Hello Will, > > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:42 AM, william lomas wrote: > > > >> > >> which braille display would you recommend, I assume still the > >> Syncbraille? > >> > > You assume correctly. I just wish I could afford one of those. I still > > have my PAC Mate 20 and will just have to make do with that. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Adium
Hey there everyone. Has anyone installed Adium? I installed it, and it seems, VoiceOver doesn't read the the label of each list now? For example, you have AIM, MSN, and Yahoo added to your accounts. When going through the lists, for me, VO only says Collom Collapsed. Has anyone else encountered this? Take care. Fonzie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adium
You can expand those collapsed columns with VO backslash, they should display fine thereafter... Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Snow Leopard thoughts so far.
Hi, With everyone giving their thoughts on SL I figured I'd give my two cents also. The install went very well and took about 45 minutes. I wasn't sure how it would go but everything went on with out a hitch which made me very happy. I'm one of those people who no matter how easy everyone else has it, I always have problems. So just the fact it installed fine was a good sign. I love the new quicknav mode. It makes navigating a breeze. I haven't tried out the trackpad mode all that much. Attempted it a bit last night and it seemed unusual but I really haven't played with it yet. I'll probably do that this weekend. Overall I'm very glad I upgraded to SL. It makes me love the Mac even more than before. I haven't experienced any major bugs for those who are worried about upgrading. I would highly reccomend it to anyone. It's a great advance in an already awesome OS. Jesse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Snow Leopard thoughts so far.
thanks for this :) I'm planning my upgrade. ran into a problem with my itunes library so consolidating that on my external which is taking its good old time. I plan to back up home and library folders and then plan to install. I am like you, not convinced it is as easy as everyone is saying, something usually goes wrong with me in charge lol. I'll let the list know how it goes later :) if itunes ever finishes lol On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > > Hi, > > With everyone giving their thoughts on SL I figured I'd give my two > cents also. The install went very well and took about 45 minutes. I > wasn't sure how it would go but everything went on with out a hitch > which made me very happy. I'm one of those people who no matter how > easy > everyone else has it, I always have problems. So just the fact it > installed fine was a good sign. > > I love the new quicknav mode. It makes navigating a breeze. I haven't > tried out the trackpad mode all that much. Attempted it a bit last > night > and it seemed unusual but I really haven't played with it yet. I'll > probably do that this weekend. Overall I'm very glad I upgraded to SL. > It makes me love the Mac even more than before. I haven't experienced > any major bugs for those who are worried about upgrading. I would > highly > reccomend it to anyone. It's a great advance in an already awesome OS. > > Jesse > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adium
I don't have SL at the moment, but you might need to expand the column. Not sure how to do this at the present. Have you tried interacting with it? James - Original Message - From: "Alfonzo Cuellar" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Adium > > Hey there everyone. > > Has anyone installed Adium? > > I installed it, and it seems, VoiceOver doesn't read the the label of > each list now? > > For example, you have AIM, MSN, and Yahoo added to your accounts. > > When going through the lists, for me, VO only says Collom Collapsed. > > Has anyone else encountered this? > > Take care. > > Fonzie > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting two or more copies of each message
Hi Mark, This sounds like a GMail isue. You could try adding the word recent followed by a colon before your E Mail address in the account settings. HTH James - Original Message - From: "Mark Baxter" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: getting two or more copies of each message > > I'm getting two and sometimes three copies of each message from these > two groups, and three or more from the VIphone list. Is this a list > problem or some Gmail problem, and if the latter, where / how do I go > about tracking it down and fixing it? > Thanks much. > thanks much. > thanks much... > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting two or more copies of each message
Okay, I've tried that and added 'recent:'. Hope that clears it up, and thanks for the suggestion. Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users
did make a polite request via their link and did get a reply back that they are going to look into it. I've also contacted other app makers who's apps are either not accessible, or were and are now not. I hope it's an education process, most have come back with a positive response. Though not promising anything and I didn't expect them to, but rather expressing interest to look further into it, or plans for a future update. Not being a programmer I have NO idea what is involved. But I hope we get to a day where it's just expected to work. On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Maccessibility wrote: > > Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible > for > VoiceOver Users > > Recently, FaceBook.com updated their iPhone application to version > 3.0. > Apparently, no attention to accessibility was paid, as the app has > gone from > being a fantastic interface for VOiceOver users, to being entirely > inaccessible. > The application now consists of endless unlabeled buttons, and an > exploration > throughout the app reveals no other information anywhere. > We are advising VoiceOver [...] > > You can read the rest of this news item at: > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/29/facebook-com-updates-iphone-app-rendering-it-inaccessible-for-voiceover-users/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network > "...it's all within our reach..." > http://maccessibility.net > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: holding place in a webpage when cmd-tabbing
Hello James, On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:21 PM, James & Nash wrote: > Do you know why you need to use hotspots? Why do you think VO does > not keep its place automatically - just curious. I wonder if it > could be because VO seems to treat blind users the same as sighed > users. What do you think? I'm not techy enough to know the answer, but I do know that hotspots are really useful. The thing is to remember which is which and not delete the wrong hotspot by accident. I've done that so many times! Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adium
Hey there. I did expand the column, which gives me the associated contacts for that particular lists. VO does not however, read the name of that particular column. So, your AIM list is called Contacts, which is the column name. When arrowing to this column, whether expanded or not, voice over announces that it is a column, but does not however say the column name. Not a deal breaker, I would say. If you expand the column, you can tell what list you are in. Just thought I would report on it though. Take care. Fonzie On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:37 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > I don't have SL at the moment, but you might need to expand the > column. Not > sure how to do this at the present. Have you tried interacting with > it? > > James > - Original Message - > From: "Alfonzo Cuellar" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:55 PM > Subject: Adium > > >> >> Hey there everyone. >> >> Has anyone installed Adium? >> >> I installed it, and it seems, VoiceOver doesn't read the the label of >> each list now? >> >> For example, you have AIM, MSN, and Yahoo added to your accounts. >> >> When going through the lists, for me, VO only says Collom Collapsed. >> >> Has anyone else encountered this? >> >> Take care. >> >> Fonzie >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adium
this never happened for me in adium even in leopard. can you not arrow up and down without interacting, that's how I hear what group I am viewing. hth On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Fonzie wrote: > > Hey there. > > I did expand the column, which gives me the associated contacts for > that particular lists. > > VO does not however, read the name of that particular column. > > So, your AIM list is called Contacts, which is the column name. When > arrowing to this column, whether expanded or not, voice over announces > that it is a column, but does not however say the column name. > > Not a deal breaker, I would say. If you expand the column, you can > tell what list you are in. > > Just thought I would report on it though. > > Take care. > > Fonzie > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:37 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> >> I don't have SL at the moment, but you might need to expand the >> column. Not >> sure how to do this at the present. Have you tried interacting with >> it? >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alfonzo Cuellar" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:55 PM >> Subject: Adium >> >> >>> >>> Hey there everyone. >>> >>> Has anyone installed Adium? >>> >>> I installed it, and it seems, VoiceOver doesn't read the the label >>> of >>> each list now? >>> >>> For example, you have AIM, MSN, and Yahoo added to your accounts. >>> >>> When going through the lists, for me, VO only says Collom Collapsed. >>> >>> Has anyone else encountered this? >>> >>> Take care. >>> >>> Fonzie >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
choppy reading in mail
Hi all, I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line did not occur in the middle of a sentence? Thanks for your help, John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Hi there John, how are you doing? I have not noticed this issue in mail. Maybe it might be because I have my rate at 50 percent? Not entirely sure, but I don't seem to notice a unusual pause while VoiceOver is reading mail. I do hear a pause here and there, but to me, it feels like it did in Leopard. Maybe others are experiencing the same issue as yourself? I am sure others will chime in with their thoughts. Remember though, an update will most likely come within the coming months, and will probably iron out some of the little annoyances we find as VoiceOver users. Take care. Fonzie On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an > annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads > messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too > long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an > option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line > did not occur in the middle of a sentence? > Thanks for your help, > > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Confirmed. When I slow down my voiceover rate, the reading in mail becomes noticeably smoother. The pauses in between lines are much less annoying and lengthy. Previously, I had my rate at 75 percent. I absolutely love how much faster Alex can read in snow leopard as opposed to leopard! On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Fonzie wrote: > > Hi there John, how are you doing? > > I have not noticed this issue in mail. > > Maybe it might be because I have my rate at 50 percent? > > Not entirely sure, but I don't seem to notice a unusual pause while > VoiceOver is reading mail. > > I do hear a pause here and there, but to me, it feels like it did in > Leopard. > > Maybe others are experiencing the same issue as yourself? > > I am sure others will chime in with their thoughts. > > Remember though, an update will most likely come within the coming > months, and will probably iron out some of the little annoyances we > find as VoiceOver users. > > Take care. > > Fonzie > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an >> annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads >> messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too >> long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an >> option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line >> did not occur in the middle of a sentence? >> Thanks for your help, >> >> John >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users
Only once during my time using Apple hvae I come across a developer who seemed unwilling to look further into or to make their application work with Voice Over. Geenerally, the developers on the Mac side are very willing and obliging. - Original Message - From: "John JD Denning" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible for VoiceOver Users > > did make a polite request via their link and did get a reply back that > they are going to look into it. > > I've also contacted other app makers who's apps are either not > accessible, or were and are now not. I hope it's an education process, > most have come back with a positive response. Though not promising > anything and I didn't expect them to, but rather expressing interest > to look further into it, or plans for a future update. > > Not being a programmer I have NO idea what is involved. But I hope we > get to a day where it's just expected to work. > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Maccessibility wrote: > >> >> Updated - FaceBook.com Updates iPhone App, Rendering it Inaccessible >> for >> VoiceOver Users >> >> Recently, FaceBook.com updated their iPhone application to version >> 3.0. >> Apparently, no attention to accessibility was paid, as the app has >> gone from >> being a fantastic interface for VOiceOver users, to being entirely >> inaccessible. >> The application now consists of endless unlabeled buttons, and an >> exploration >> throughout the app reveals no other information anywhere. >> We are advising VoiceOver [...] >> >> You can read the rest of this news item at: >> http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/08/29/facebook-com-updates-iphone-app-rendering-it-inaccessible-for-voiceover-users/ >> >> The Mac-cessibility Network >> "...it's all within our reach..." >> http://maccessibility.net >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting two or more copies of each message
I hope it works for you. I've got no idea why it does this but it has happened to me before - Original Message - From: "Mark BBurningHawk axter" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: getting two or more copies of each message > > Okay, I've tried that and added 'recent:'. Hope that clears it up, > and thanks for the suggestion. > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Braille tables for other languages
Hmm, I think it will work since Apple are using a standard Braille driver which works with most displays, but I'm not sure. Best regards: Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 29/08/2009, at 16.52, Blake Sinnett wrote: > I wonder if the Focus 40 Blue from Freedom Science Fiction would > work. It's a Bluetooth display with 40 cells, oddly enough. > > Blake > > > From: s...@coolfortheblind.dk > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: Braille tables for other languages > > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:47:24 +0200 > > > > > > Hi. > > > > I highly recommend the Braille displays called Vario Connect from a > > german company called Baum. I'll say that these Braille displays are > > the best displays in the world. You can read more about them at the > > following link: > > http://www.baum.de/en/products/brailledisplay/vconnect12.php > > Best regards: > > Søren Jensen > > Mail & MSN: > > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > > Website: > > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > > > On 29/08/2009, at 09.51, Anne Robertson wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Will, > > > > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:42 AM, william lomas wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> which braille display would you recommend, I assume still the > > >> Syncbraille? > > >> > > > You assume correctly. I just wish I could afford one of those. I > still > > > have my PAC Mate 20 and will just have to make do with that. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
Thank you, Scott. That is a most gracious offer. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:54 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard Mark, welcome welcome. You really have started to use the most advanced os available and quite frankly the most accessible in so many ways. I hope you find the os to serve your needs and let us know if you need help. On Aug 29, 2009, at 3:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is Mark Taylor. > > As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro > 13 inch > notebook. > > I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a > clean > install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added an > additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. > > Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be > removed in > order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly > painless. Note, > if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the > fact > that there are different size screws that must be replaced > correctly. I > swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. > (Smile) > > > I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS > via the > new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe > this > grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." > > Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging > information with you. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
Hello Mike, You got me smiling, buddy. Yes, Snow Leopard is on the move, to be sure. As difficult as it is for me to believe, I find that I am amazed at the level of accessibility of Snow Leopard. For the first time, in a mighty long while, I am actually eager to use a computer, once again. As I have said on many occasions, it's a wonderful time to be blind or low vision; and I wouldn't miss it for the world. (Smile) I look forward to our next conversation, Mike. Your Partner in Crime, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:01 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard Hey Mark, that's great, I figured you might get a mac sooner or later, and I think you will be a great adition to the mac community. When you can, give itunes a try, you may like it better than in windows. The windows screen companies better be ware, the snow leopard is coming for them, lol. On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is Mark Taylor. > > As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro > 13 inch > notebook. > > I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a > clean > install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added an > additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. > > Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be > removed in > order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly > painless. Note, > if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the > fact > that there are different size screws that must be replaced > correctly. I > swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. > (Smile) > > > I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS > via the > new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe > this > grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." > > Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging > information with you. > > Most Sincerely, > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: getting two or more copies of each message
It did, partially. However, I'm still getting two copies of the VIphone list messages, but I suspect this is due to the list having me joined twice. Thanks though! Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
FW: [gui-talk] Fwd: Getting Started with Snow Leopard documentation
I received this from another list. Apparently, the Getting Started with Snow Leopard and VoiceOver guide is available in rtf format, but I cannot figure out how to obtain it. Can anybody assist me in acquiring this? I have a sense that others would like to obtain this as well. Thanks. Les -Original Message- From: gui-talk-boun...@nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-boun...@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Pattison Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:58 AM To: Access L; CUG Members Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Getting Started with Snow Leopard documentation From:David Woodbridge davi...@tpg.com.au To: vi...@softspeak.com.au Hi all, If you email accessibil...@apple.com, you can request an RTF version of the Getting Started version of Snow Leopard guide with VoiceOver. Otherwise, you can download it from my Mobile Me public site at: http://idisk.mac.com/davidw9-Public?view=web id Dav Regards Steve Email: s...@internode.on.net MSN Messenger: internetuser...@hotmail.com Skype: steve1963 ___ gui-talk mailing list gui-t...@nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/kriegler%40nycap.r r.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4379 (20090829) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4379 (20090829) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What is a data detector, and how is it used?
Hi all, in email messages now, especially when there is an email address in the body of the message, , after VO reads the email address, it'll say data detector present. These datadetectors are something that were in Mail in Leopard, as I heard about them on one of the mainstream MAc podcasts, but didn't really pay attention. So what are these things, and how can we use them? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Have you contacted accessibil...@apple.com with this issue? If there is a problem when Alex is speaking at 75% or higher perhaps they can fix it. - Original Message - From: "John J Herzog" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: choppy reading in mail > > Confirmed. > When I slow down my voiceover rate, the reading in mail becomes > noticeably smoother. The pauses in between lines are much less > annoying and lengthy. > Previously, I had my rate at 75 percent. I absolutely love how much > faster Alex can read in snow leopard as opposed to leopard! > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Fonzie wrote: > >> >> Hi there John, how are you doing? >> >> I have not noticed this issue in mail. >> >> Maybe it might be because I have my rate at 50 percent? >> >> Not entirely sure, but I don't seem to notice a unusual pause while >> VoiceOver is reading mail. >> >> I do hear a pause here and there, but to me, it feels like it did in >> Leopard. >> >> Maybe others are experiencing the same issue as yourself? >> >> I am sure others will chime in with their thoughts. >> >> Remember though, an update will most likely come within the coming >> months, and will probably iron out some of the little annoyances we >> find as VoiceOver users. >> >> Take care. >> >> Fonzie >> >> On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an >>> annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads >>> messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too >>> long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an >>> option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line >>> did not occur in the middle of a sentence? >>> Thanks for your help, >>> >>> John >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: using Shazam on the Iphone
Thanks for the tip, Cara. Have to ask, how'd you ever figure that one out? :) Donna From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:20 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: using Shazam on the Iphone Actually you don't need to re-launch. Simply press and hold 'home, as if you were activating speech recognition, and then, once you hear the double beep to indicate that it's active, simply cancel with another press of 'home' and then you're back in Shazam with speech. HOpe this helps. I actually go into this on the latest Maccessibility Round Table podcast, for anyone whose interested. Smiles, CQ :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Aug 28, 2009, at 11:33 AM, Marie Howarth wrote: hit home and then relaunch, is the only way so far. On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, When I use Shazam to tag a song, I always lose speech once the song has been tagged. Has anyone else experienced this, and if yes, have you found some way to get speech back other than doing a reset? TIA, Donna No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2331 - Release Date: 08/28/09 18:10:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Hello James and everyone, I suspect that the "choppy speech" problem in Mail is the result of curing the problem of not signalling the break in a list when items are only separated by a new line character. It's probably less annoying in Mail to have the breaks than it is when reading a text document not to have them. I don't see what can be done about this. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: I've Entered MacLand
Welcome to Mac land, Les. Good to see you over here. I think you'll have fun and lots of challenges! :) Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:15 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: I've Entered MacLand > > > Good luck to you as well. > > Les > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:14 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: I've Entered MacLand > > > Good luck to you. I may be purchasing one today. > - Original Message - > From: "Les Kriegler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:16 AM > Subject: I've Entered MacLand > > > > I've purchased our first Apple System since 1985 when we bought an > Apple 2E. > How's that for dating myself? It's a MacBook Pro and it should arrive > within the week. I was informed that Snow Leopard may be installed, > but if > not, I'll receive the installation package. Very much looking forward > to > some hands-on experience and using VoiceOver! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4378 (20090828) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4379 (20090829) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4379 (20090829) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4379 (20090829) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release Date: > 08/29/09 06:39:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard
hey Mark, good to see you out here! I've seen you on the iPhone list though I rarely post there cuz I don't have an iPhone yet. I enjoy your posts though, you have a fun way of saying things. I've been a mac user for a little over a year though and am so glad you made the jump! the mac really is awesome and accessible!! I haven't upgraded to snow leopard yet, waiting for that stray kitty to arrive on my doorstep lol. but when it does, you can bet it'll be here to stay!! I can't wait to enjoy all the new accessibility features!! take care and keep enjoying your mac! and don't be shy, the list is for asking questions!! Jessi and Goldina On 29-Aug-09, at 10:54 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Mike, > > You got me smiling, buddy. Yes, Snow Leopard is on the move, to be > sure. > > As difficult as it is for me to believe, I find that I am amazed at > the > level of accessibility of Snow Leopard. > > For the first time, in a mighty long while, I am actually eager to > use a > computer, once again. > > As I have said on many occasions, it's a wonderful time to be blind > or low > vision; and I wouldn't miss it for the world. (Smile) > > I look forward to our next conversation, Mike. > > Your Partner in Crime, > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:01 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: A Quick Introduction from Mark with Snow Leopard > > > Hey Mark, that's great, I figured you might get a mac sooner or later, > and I think you will be a great adition to the mac community. When you > can, give itunes a try, you may like it better than in windows. The > windows screen companies better be ware, the snow leopard is coming > for them, lol. > On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> My name is Mark Taylor. >> >> As an iPhone user, I decided, last week, to purchase a MacBook Pro >> 13 inch >> notebook. >> >> I am happy to report, that today I was successful in performing a >> clean >> install of Snow Leopard after first removing Leopard. I also added >> an >> additional 2 gigs of RAM to the notebook for a total of 4 gigs. >> >> Aside from keeping careful track of the 10 screws that must be >> removed in >> order to install the RAM, the upgrade procedure was fairly >> painless. Note, >> if any of you wish to upgrade your RAM, be sure to take note of the >> fact >> that there are different size screws that must be replaced >> correctly. I >> swear, I've never seen such short little screws in my entire life. >> (Smile) >> >> >> I must say that the synergy between Snow Leopard and the iPhone 3GS >> via the >> new multi-touch track pad is amazing. In fact, I can't seem to wipe >> this >> grin off of my face as I continue to explore this "brave new world." >> >> Anyway, I am glad to be on board and am looking forward to exchanging >> information with you. >> >> Most Sincerely, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
window chooser not working with Ichat
Hi listers, I am having a problem, and was wondering if anybody else can confirm this. Whenever I get a new message from a buddy, I can no longer use the window chooser menu to get to it. Hitting VO f2 twice after hearing the pop up sound results in voiceover saying, zero items in window chooser menu. Additionally, I cannot get to the new chat window with command tilde, until it has been selected once before. It seems the only way to get to new chats now is to go into the window menu by hitting VO M, and click on them. Is anybody else having this problem? Sorry to talk about all the bugs right away. Truth is I really am enjoying snow leopard though. John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Turning off the preview pane in Mail
Hi, I am having trouble turning off the preview pane in mail. Can somebody kindly remind me exactly how to do it? Thanks, Robert Carter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've Entered MacLand
Hey, that's cool Rich, hope you get one. I'm typing this message in the new snow leopard, the improvements in voiceover are great, and no sighted help needed to install. and it's incredible when cruising the web On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Rich Ring wrote: > > Good luck to you. I may be purchasing one today. > - Original Message - > From: "Les Kriegler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:16 AM > Subject: I've Entered MacLand > > > > I've purchased our first Apple System since 1985 when we bought an > Apple 2E. > How's that for dating myself? It's a MacBook Pro and it should arrive > within the week. I was informed that Snow Leopard may be installed, > but if > not, I'll receive the installation package. Very much looking > forward to > some hands-on experience and using VoiceOver! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4378 (20090828) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
removing preview pain in mail
Hi all. Has anyone been successful in removing the preview pane when using mail in Snow Leopard? I've tried double clicking the horizontal and vertical splitters but that doesn't seem to work. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is a data detector, and how is it used?
If you wanted to add someone to your address book, you can use these data detectors or you could use them for bringing up a web page or even sending an e-mail to that address you found as a data detector. That is a really simplified explanation, but hope it helps. Here is a bit from the Getting Started manual. 1. In a message you've received, move the VoiceOver cursor over a phone number, email address, street address, date, or time. Mail outlines the data as a field with a pop-up menu, and VoiceOver speaks "data detector present." 2. To open a shortcut menu that contains commands for using the data, press VO-Shift-M. For example, if the data detector is an email address, you can choose New Message from the shortcut menu to open a New Message window that already has the email address in the To field; you don't need to retype or add the email address yourself. hth On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > Hi all, in email messages now, especially when there is an email > address in the body of the message, , after VO reads the email > address, it'll say data detector present. These datadetectors are > something that were in Mail in Leopard, as I heard about them on one > of the mainstream MAc podcasts, but didn't really pay attention. So > what are these things, and how can we use them? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Turning off the preview pane in Mail
Hi Robert, I had a really hard time when I tried to do this. You have to double-click the second horizontal splitter. Sounds ssimple enough, but it also seems like the planets have to be in alignment, and it probably wouldn't hurt to dance around in a circle and chant magic words while you're at it. *grin* Good luck! Donna > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:36 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Turning off the preview pane in Mail > > > Hi, > > I am having trouble turning off the preview pane in mail. Can somebody > kindly remind me exactly how to do it? > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2333 - Release Date: > 08/29/09 06:39:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
embedded voice commands
Hi all, Anyone know the embedded command to change the voice? I have found the below commands. [[volm +0.1]] will change the volume. [[rate 400]] will change the rate. Thanks for any help. louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is a data detector, and how is it used?
Ok, thanks for that explanation Scott, that helped a lot. On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > If you wanted to add someone to your address book, you can use these > data detectors or you could use them for bringing up a web page or > even sending an e-mail to that address you found as a data detector. > That is a really simplified explanation, but hope it helps. > Here is a bit from the Getting Started manual. > > 1. In a message you've received, move the VoiceOver cursor over a > phone number, email address, street address, date, or time. > > Mail outlines the data as a field with a pop-up menu, and VoiceOver > speaks "data detector present." > > 2. To open a shortcut menu that contains commands for using the > data, press VO-Shift-M. > > For example, if the data detector is an email address, you can > choose New Message from the shortcut menu to open a New Message > window that already has the email address in the To field; you don't > need to retype or add the email address yourself. > > hth > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > >> >> Hi all, in email messages now, especially when there is an email >> address in the body of the message, , after VO reads the email >> address, it'll say data detector present. These datadetectors are >> something that were in Mail in Leopard, as I heard about them on one >> of the mainstream MAc podcasts, but didn't really pay attention. So >> what are these things, and how can we use them? >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
Chris, What are the requirements for emacs speak? When last I used emacs regularly on a Ultra-2, I had no need for a screen reader, just setting my fonts at 28 pt and reverse video (thanks Kyle Jones for the help). I know there is a copy of emacs in /usr/bin and I think it might even be GNU's version. If so what would need to happen to use emacspeak on my Leopard machine and could it interface with the Mac synthesizers or would GNU ones have to be added. Jon On Aug 29, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote: > >> Hank asked: does that mean orca will die in linux to? > > cdh replies: > > The beauty of free software like orca versus proprietary software > like JAWS (for instance) is that although Sun Microsystems has led > the orca development, virtually any hacker or group thereof can take > the source and continue the project. The nation of Brazil has > elected to standardize all of its government owned and operated > computing devices on free, GNU/Linux operating systems. They have > two major reasons: the first, they fear that Apple and/or Microsoft > may have built in some code into Windows and OSX to spy for the > American government. Given the human rights record demonstrated by > Yahoo and others spying for the Chinese government, why not think > that the two biggest OS vendors may be helping out Uncle Sam? > > With the GNU/Linux OS, they have every line of source code and their > own security personnel can go through one line at a time and make > sure no such code exists before the Brazilian secrets show up at > Fort Mead. > > The second reason is price. A GNU/Linux distribution will run > pretty nicely on a clunky, single core, 32 bit used Dell; Snow > Leopard and Windows 7 require pretty hefty hardware to be used > effectively. > > The orca question comes in as Brazil has laws regarding people with > disabilities that are far stronger than our wimpy ADA and their laws > include explicit language about technology. So, while Sun is > organizing the project, Brazil and other nations are contributing > hackers to the project to help keep it moving forward. > > There are a number of other governments making similar decisions for > similar reasons - after our government got caught spying on > Americans, all credibility that we were not spying on everyone else > flew out the window and closed and complicated technology is in the > James Bond book of tricks. > > Those of us who get to use Macintosh and even Windows with our > screen reader of choice really need to realize just how fortunate we > are. I spend a fair amount of time in Ubuntu with orca and, often, > emacspeak. The latter is highly stable and crusty old farts like me > still remember a large portion of the complex emacs keystroke > catalogue. Orca does a not bad job in a few high profile programs > but, because few developers are coding to the gnome standard and, > therefore, few programs support the excellent gnome accessibility > API, orca gets a lot less "for free" than Macintosh or Windows. > > For we who write programs or test systems on GNU/Linux platforms, it > is pretty good as it has fully accessible tools fart in excess of > anything Mac or Windows offer. For most others who need orca, > though, it is a bit clunky and often unstable. > > I'd love to suggest that we all walk away from the world of > proprietary software but, developing for niche audiences like us > blinks fails to meet the critical mass necessary to sustain a world > of free software hackers like the server tools, Apache, etc. > > So, while we love to praise Apple and boo Microsoft, they are really > the only alternatives for blinks who don't want to spend a whole lot > of time fixing their environment. > > cdh > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
changing group/dom navigation on the fly
Josh mentions in his article a keyboard command to switch between dom and group mode. I was wondering if anyone knows what it is or how I can assign that command to either my numpad comder or keyboard cmder :) any help would be great :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: changing group/dom navigation on the fly
Hi Marie, As you mentioned, you can assign shortcut to this command from the NPC or KBC (NumPad Commander or Keyboard Commander) by your choice. In both cases, you will select the Commander to use in VO Utility, interact with the table for that commander, find a shortcut you would like to use, find the dom/group command in the menu to the right of the shortcut (you will find it at the top in the web category)...and off you go Each time you press the shortcut, you will toggle to dom or group, and VO will tell you so. Hope this helps! Take care and have a lovely weekend, John André Den 29. aug. 2009 kl. 23.12 skrev Marie Howarth: > > Josh mentions in his article a keyboard command to switch between dom > and group mode. I was wondering if anyone knows what it is or how I > can assign that command to either my numpad comder or keyboard > cmder :) > any help would be great :) > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Turning off the preview pane in Mail
Hello Robert, To turn off the Preview pane in Mail, navigate to the horizontal splitter which is below the messages and then make sure that the mouse is routed to it by pressing VO-Command-F5. Double click with the mouse button or the actual mouse. Sometimes double clicking with VO-Shift- Space bar works, but not always. Cheers, Anne On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Robert Carter wrote: > > Hi, > > I am having trouble turning off the preview pane in mail. Can somebody > kindly remind me exactly how to do it? > > Thanks, > > Robert Carter > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: embedded voice commands
Hello Louis, To change the voice on the fly, press VO-Command-left or right arrow until you reach "Default Voice", then keep holding down VO-Command and use the up and down arrows to change the voice. Cheers, Anne On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:55 PM, louie wrote: > > Hi all, > Anyone know the embedded command to change the voice? > I have found the below commands. > > [[volm +0.1]] will change the volume. > [[rate 400]] will change the rate. > Thanks for any help. > > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: changing group/dom navigation on the fly
thanks so much John, must have skipped over that one. :) this does really rock! :) On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:39 PM, John André Netland wrote: > > Hi Marie, > > As you mentioned, you can assign shortcut to this command from the NPC > or KBC (NumPad Commander or Keyboard Commander) by your choice. In > both cases, you will select the Commander to use in VO Utility, > interact with the table for that commander, find a shortcut you would > like to use, find the dom/group command in the menu to the right of > the shortcut (you will find it at the top in the web category)...and > off you go > Each time you press the shortcut, you will toggle to dom or group, and > VO will tell you so. > > Hope this helps! > > Take care and have a lovely weekend, > John André > > Den 29. aug. 2009 kl. 23.12 skrev Marie Howarth: > >> >> Josh mentions in his article a keyboard command to switch between dom >> and group mode. I was wondering if anyone knows what it is or how I >> can assign that command to either my numpad comder or keyboard >> cmder :) >> any help would be great :) >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Yes, I'm glad you mentioned this. The mail is read choppy. Alex reads smooth as ever in Safari. I currently only have my rate at 50, so I don't think rate is causing it. I'm also having no luck getting sub menus to work, Such as when I try to move a message to another box. Brett On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi all, > I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an > annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads > messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too > long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an > option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line > did not occur in the middle of a sentence? > Thanks for your help, > > John > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Snow Leopard and dropbox any ideas?
Hi all. Just wondering if anyone on the list may have an idea on how to resolve this issue please? Since upgrading to Snow Leopard and now finding out dropbox menus can't be accessed by using the window chooser vo f2 twice and arrow down to untitled and hit enter and do a vo shift space to access the menus, these commands no longer work on snow leopard. From what I read in the dropbox forums you can control click on dropbox supposedly and access options but so far i've not been able to accomplish this. Has anyone else tried using dropbox with Snow Leopard to see if there is a work around? I realize there's not much we need to access in dropbox but having access to the menus in dropbox under leopard was awesome because you could tell if files were transferring or not. Is there something I should tell the developers to make it vo friendly under snow leopard? If anyone has any info or suggestions on the above, please let us all know. Thanks very much for your time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
3 features that hmm?
well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly remind me of windows are as follows. 1. automatic reading of a webpage. 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially when it already says edit text. 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help progression from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I am so glad I did. mac is not windows, when will people realise this. overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am grateful to apple for giving us a choice. really glad. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Funny, I'm having no issues with submenus in Mail or any other app I have used so far. There seems to be some slightly roughness to the reading, but not sure what the cause is and I noticed it only as a slight thing, but of course level of annoyance is subjective for sure. On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: > > Yes, I'm glad you mentioned this. The mail is read choppy. Alex > reads smooth as ever in Safari. I currently only have my rate at 50, > so I don't think rate is causing it. I'm also having no luck getting > sub menus to work, Such as when I try to move a message to another > box. > > Brett > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an >> annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover reads >> messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too >> long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there an >> option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line >> did not occur in the middle of a sentence? >> Thanks for your help, >> >> John >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus side is that for those who want to make the transition and really find what we "grew up with" difficult, will at least have a way to ease their transition over from the dark side. :) So, I agree with you, but these are small prices to pay if it will truly help someone make the transition. On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > > well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly remind me > of windows are as follows. > 1. automatic reading of a webpage. > 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially when > it already says edit text. > 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive > and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. > > all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are > just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help progression > from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I am so glad I > did. mac is not windows, when will people realise this. > > overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am grateful to apple > for giving us a choice. really glad. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: choppy reading in mail
Hi Scott, Thanks for letting me know that you aren't having any problems with sub menus. This prompted me to just turn VoiceOver off and on and the menus work now. I didn't want you to lose sleep. :) Brett On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Funny, I'm having no issues with submenus in Mail or any other app I > have used so far. There seems to be some slightly roughness to the > reading, but not sure what the cause is and I noticed it only as a > slight thing, but of course level of annoyance is subjective for sure. > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:08 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: > >> >> Yes, I'm glad you mentioned this. The mail is read choppy. Alex >> reads smooth as ever in Safari. I currently only have my rate at 50, >> so I don't think rate is causing it. I'm also having no luck getting >> sub menus to work, Such as when I try to move a message to another >> box. >> >> Brett >> >> >> On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm liking the snow leopard update so far, but I'm running into an >>> annoyance with mail. Since the update, I noticed that voiceover >>> reads >>> messages much more choppy than before. Specifically, it pauses too >>> long when it encounters a new line in the middle of text. Is there >>> an >>> option to have voiceover keep speaking normally as if that new line >>> did not occur in the middle of a sentence? >>> Thanks for your help, >>> >>> John >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: why is openoffice accessible and neoofficeenot
Le 30 août 2009 à 05:53, Jonathan C. Cohn a écrit : > Chris, > > What are the requirements for emacs speak? I could not find requirement information on the emacspeak page so I suppose the package works on any Unix like machine with a fairly recent emacs installed. I say Unix because it seems there is a need to run the "make" command to install the package. That may mean that you need to install the Unix developers tool in Snow Leopard to get that. The developer tools are available from the install DVD. > When last I used emacs regularly on a Ultra-2, I had no need for a > screen reader, just > setting my fonts at 28 pt and reverse video (thanks Kyle Jones for > the help). I know there is a copy of emacs in /usr/bin and I think it > might even be GNU's version. It looks like version 22.1.1. From GNU. > If so what would need to happen to use > emacspeak on my Leopard machine and could it interface with the Mac > synthesizers or would GNU ones have to be added. I never used emacspeak myself so I guess you'd have to go through the information on this page: http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/ Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Having not had the chance to test out SL yet I'm not going to comment on the features specifically. But I would like to say, that no, Windows is not Mac and Mac is not 'Windows, but it is excellent that a choice exists because it may ease the transition for Windows users who are coming to the Mac or for those users who like using the Windows-style insertion method. - Original Message - From: "Marie Howarth" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: 3 features that hmm? > > well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly remind me > of windows are as follows. > 1. automatic reading of a webpage. > 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially when > it already says edit text. > 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive > and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. > > all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are > just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help progression > from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I am so glad I > did. mac is not windows, when will people realise this. > > overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am grateful to apple > for giving us a choice. really glad. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Just got a Mac Mini
Hello all you helpful wonderful veteran Mac users! Just got back from the Apple store with a Mac Mini. I've been told by many that if I fire it up I will hear a spoken message telling me how to get Voiceover running. Is this true? Second, we have SL, and we will need to install it. My thought was that since this is a brand new machine, I might as well do a clean upgrade. Should I just put the SL DVD in the drive press C and eventually press command f5 and do the upgrade, or do I have to set up the Mac first. I know, stupid questions, but if you don't ask, you don't know. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: embedded voice commands
Ann I want to change the voice from within a java program. thanks. On Aug 29, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Louis, > > To change the voice on the fly, press VO-Command-left or right arrow > until you reach "Default Voice", then keep holding down VO-Command and > use the up and down arrows to change the voice. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:55 PM, louie wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> Anyone know the embedded command to change the voice? >> I have found the below commands. >> >> [[volm +0.1]] will change the volume. >> [[rate 400]] will change the rate. >> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> louie >> louiem...@wavecable.com >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just got a Mac Mini
Hi, Rich, When you startthe mac up for the first time, you will hear a spoken message on how to turn vo on. Hit command f five to turn voicover on. As far as snow lepard goes, just put the CD in, and just let it spin. you will notice that the install will take less time than the lepard install would. Happy installing Chantel. On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > Hello all you helpful wonderful veteran Mac users! > Just got back from the Apple store with a Mac Mini. I've been told > by many that if I fire it up I will hear a spoken message telling me > how to get Voiceover running. Is this true? > Second, we have SL, and we will need to install it. My thought was > that since this is a brand new machine, I might as well do a clean > upgrade. Should I just put the SL DVD in the drive press C and > eventually press command f5 and do the upgrade, or do I have to set > up the Mac first. > I know, stupid questions, but if you don't ask, you don't know. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just got a Mac Mini
Le 30 août 2009 à 07:57, Rich Ring a écrit : > Second, we have SL, and we will need to install it. My thought was > that since this is a brand new machine, I might as well do a clean > upgrade. Should I just put the SL DVD in the drive press C and > eventually press command f5 and do the upgrade, or do I have to set > up the Mac first. The Snow Leopard DVD is a bootable DVD just like any other OSX DVD before. Leopard users can follow an upgrade path similar to a "software update": put the DVD in the box with Leopard launched, click on the Install icon and let the thing run. Not only will it update the system but it will also look for other software updates online and install them too. But if you do not have Leopard or if you need to do a clean install, you can just as well boot your machine with SL and do a clean install. I suppose in your case either would be fine. I'd go the "press C" way myself. Jean-Christophe Helary --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit even if they're bad ones. Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of the pond... Scott On 8/29/09, Scott Howell wrote: > > Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you > learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus > side is that for those who want to make the transition and really find > what we "grew up with" difficult, will at least have a way to ease > their transition over from the dark side. :) So, I agree with you, > but these are small prices to pay if it will truly help someone make > the transition. > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: > >> >> well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly remind me >> of windows are as follows. >> 1. automatic reading of a webpage. >> 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially when >> it already says edit text. >> 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive >> and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. >> >> all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are >> just horrific and no one can tell me that it will help progression >> from windows to mac. I didn't have these features and I am so glad I >> did. mac is not windows, when will people realise this. >> >> overall vo rocks even more in this version, and I am grateful to apple >> for giving us a choice. really glad. >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I've Entered MacLand
And to you Mike, your podcasts have helped me make this decision. My new Mac Mini is waiting for me to fire it up. Hope I don't screw something up! (smile) - Original Message - From: "Mike Arrigo" To: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: Re: I've Entered MacLand Hey, that's cool Rich, hope you get one. I'm typing this message in the new snow leopard, the improvements in voiceover are great, and no sighted help needed to install. and it's incredible when cruising the web On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Rich Ring wrote: > > Good luck to you. I may be purchasing one today. > - Original Message - > From: "Les Kriegler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:16 AM > Subject: I've Entered MacLand > > > > I've purchased our first Apple System since 1985 when we bought an > Apple 2E. > How's that for dating myself? It's a MacBook Pro and it should arrive > within the week. I was informed that Snow Leopard may be installed, > but if > not, I'll receive the installation package. Very much looking > forward to > some hands-on experience and using VoiceOver! > > Les > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4378 (20090828) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Open Office, inserting Current Date into a document
Hi! To be honest I'm not expecting a quick answer to this question from the list as I'm probably the only one using Open Office with a Mac but I thought I'd give it a go anyway . Does anyone know how you go about inserting the current date into a document? This function can be called easily enough in other word processing software such as Pages but I can't seem to locate such a function in Open Office thus far, anyone any ideas? Thanks! ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Games on the iPhone
Hi all, OK, so I decided to try a few games on my iPhone. I downloaded the free game Beepbeep and was able to start the game, but how do I select what tones to press with VoiceOver? Also, I tried simon sings but no luck wiht that as well. Any tips? Many thanks, Christian --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 3 features that hmm?
Come on this is crazy. You just can't imagine the number of people who bitched and complained about this whole editing issue and I believe Apple was taken to task by one of the rags put out by the NFB or some organization about the editing issue. APparently enough people complained that Apple was trying to provide the flexibility for those users who need it. Yeah, I am one of the Scotts who made this point because I remember clearly the noise about this editing issue. I see no benefit in removing it and quite frankly since it's here, whatever at this point. If it really helps someone , fine because there are those who would simply not consider the Mac for this reason. It is an option and not a default and that is why it's a feature not worth removing. My point is you have to think beyond what you have stated and I don't entirely disagree with your point of what is or is not a standard way of editing etc. At the same time, it obviously didn't take a great deal of effort to implement it and at least it is an option. On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > Also just my oppinion, but I disagree about points 1 and 2. > > Can't say I ever have used feature numero uno in any OS as there are > so few webpages I'd actually want to read 100% of their content, but > someone somewhere will find it useful. You could argue that the > reading webpages automatically is as close as Apple could get to a > sighted person glancing at the screen when the page comes up and > taking in the bigger picture, which we can't do. > > Voiceover hints are definitely useful and a good thing. Context > sensitive help like that enables most people to be on a way shorter > learning curve usually than reading a whole manual and trying to apply > things to a ton of situations at once. It's annoying that they're > enabled by default for you or I perhaps, but newbies are going to > thank Apple for it no doubt. Come to that, so will developers who > fire up VO for the first time when they receive a disgruntled email > from someone who's asking them to make adjustments to their > applications. It'll instantly demonstrate to them the difference > between what works and what doesn't, it gives them instructions > equally as precise as that email from the VI user would in most cases. > > Wholeheartedly agreed about point 3 though. I just don't get this > one. You also hit the nail right on the head with the reason the > option shouldn't exist, it modifies a standard that doesn't in any way > need to be modified, purely because of some VI people's rut that > they're firmly jammed into. To add weight to a big sweeping oppinion > like that, I should say that I was raised on Windows, still use > Windows more often than many on here I expect, and I make my fair > share of mistakes editing in Mac OS if I haven't done any in a while. > I don't see this option as the solution, I see it as cheating. I > doubt that many people will see this as an option to ease their > progression into Mac OS as one of the other Scott's suggested, human's > just don't work that way, for the most part we're creatures of habit > even if they're bad ones. > > Tricky one though isn't it. Emailing Apple and asking that a feature > be removed seems somehow wrong in my mind. In any case, I'm not sure > they'd get it. I just tried to explain why I disagree with the > feature and what's potentially at stake here to a sighted mac user, > and she point blank didn't get it. I'm not sure that anyone who > hasn't had to appreciate how cool mainstream technology that works for > us out of the box would, even Apple themselves might not, they > probably see the introduction of this feature as the best thing they > could've done to silence a lot of whinging lol. > > Just my 2 cents, or perhaps pennies worth for those on this side of > the pond... > Scott > > On 8/29/09, Scott Howell wrote: >> >> Well good for you, I'm glad you did not need these features and you >> learned the way we all started out. However, of course the only plus >> side is that for those who want to make the transition and really >> find >> what we "grew up with" difficult, will at least have a way to ease >> their transition over from the dark side. :) So, I agree with you, >> but these are small prices to pay if it will truly help someone make >> the transition. >> >> On Aug 29, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> >>> well, this is purely my opinion but 3 features that horribly >>> remind me >>> of windows are as follows. >>> 1. automatic reading of a webpage. >>> 2. voice over hints. I know what to do in a text area, especially >>> when >>> it already says edit text. >>> 3. insertion point. this has been discussed, it's counter intuitive >>> and doesn't teach the vi community how it would look to sighties. >>> >>> all I can say is I'm so glad these features are optional. they are >>> just horrific and no one can tell me that it will h
