Fwd: U.S. senators ask FCC to examine exclusive cell phone deals

[Scott Howell]

Folks, the discussion of wireless carriers and exclusive agreements  
that have been on the list lately has been interesting. This article  
may interest you then.

Begin forwarded message:

> Date: June 17, 2009 9:00:00 AM EDT
> Subject: U.S. senators ask FCC to examine exclusive cell phone deals
> Source: AppleInsider
>
> A group of U.S. senators this week asked the Federal Communications  
> Commission to step in and examine whether exclusive relationships  
> between wireless carriers and handset makers are in the best  
> interest of customers.
> Read more…
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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Brent Harding]

It could create a nightmare for Sprint to switch because there's so many 
phones out there. Try AT&T's old network into Cingular when that happened.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone


>
> Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How
> this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard
> there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The
> technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up
> version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things
> to happen and one will surely happen.
>
> 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or
> 2 VZW gets the iPhone.
>
> The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain
> access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement
> to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire.
> So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see
> where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all
> other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone
> will have different results depending upon where they live.
>
>
> >
> 


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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Sean Tikkun]

The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and  
the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in  
truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for  
$600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the  
difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software  
company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.


On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

>
> Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
> such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
> sure.  Hard to say.
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>
>>
>> So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
>> leopard
>> machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
>> and show
>> proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
>> be a
>> full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
>> first, much
>> like the windows disks. Just some random questions.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>
>>
>> well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
>> only power pc macs won't work.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
>>> don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
>>> the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Howell" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>>
>>>

 You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
 be
 wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
 when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
 could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
 register
 it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
 difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
 of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
 registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
 proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.

 On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

>
> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
> on
> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
> else's name.


>

>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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address book with email

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hi Group;  Now, I'm stuck.  For a while now I've been clicking the  
command shift y to add email addresses to my address book.  It was  
something I thought I should be doing but never knew if or when i  
would get some real use out of it.  NOw, ii have a project that is  
perfect for this application, but I can't make it work.  I have a  
company that wants a quick sale on two amusement rides.  The price is  
very cheap.  I need to send an email to all of my contacts that might  
want such a ride.  How do I do this?  I can get it to send an email to  
the one name selected but i can't get it to just send the same email  
to everyone on the list.  Please help.  Thanks, Max 

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Re: address book with email

[Brett Campbell]

First open the Address application.  Next, if you haven't already, go  
to the create new group button and select it.  Give your group a name  
and create it.  Next go to the group table and select all, then move  
to the Name table.  Here you will find every name you have added to  
your address book.  Find the name you want to add to the group and  
copy with command C.  Go back to the group table and select the group  
you want to add the contact to.  Navigate back to the Name table and  
paste the contact card with command V.
If you know how to select items in a list that aren't consecutive with  
VO, your task will go much faster.  I haven't mastered this task as of  
yet, so I repeat the process one at a time.
To email the group is quite simple.  Create your email message and in  
whichever address field you like, you simply have to type the name of  
the desired group.  You can interact with the address field to confirm  
the addresses have been added.
Good luck.

Brett



On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> Hi Group;  Now, I'm stuck.  For a while now I've been clicking the
> command shift y to add email addresses to my address book.  It was
> something I thought I should be doing but never knew if or when i
> would get some real use out of it.  NOw, ii have a project that is
> perfect for this application, but I can't make it work.  I have a
> company that wants a quick sale on two amusement rides.  The price is
> very cheap.  I need to send an email to all of my contacts that might
> want such a ride.  How do I do this?  I can get it to send an email to
> the one name selected but i can't get it to just send the same email
> to everyone on the list.  Please help.  Thanks, Max
>
> >


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Re: address book with email

[Peggy Fleischer]

Thanks for these instructions. They are quite helpful.  I followed  
them without difficulty.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

>
> First open the Address application.  Next, if you haven't already, go
> to the create new group button and select it.  Give your group a name
> and create it.  Next go to the group table and select all, then move
> to the Name table.  Here you will find every name you have added to
> your address book.  Find the name you want to add to the group and
> copy with command C.  Go back to the group table and select the group
> you want to add the contact to.  Navigate back to the Name table and
> paste the contact card with command V.
> If you know how to select items in a list that aren't consecutive with
> VO, your task will go much faster.  I haven't mastered this task as of
> yet, so I repeat the process one at a time.
> To email the group is quite simple.  Create your email message and in
> whichever address field you like, you simply have to type the name of
> the desired group.  You can interact with the address field to confirm
> the addresses have been added.
> Good luck.
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Group;  Now, I'm stuck.  For a while now I've been clicking the
>> command shift y to add email addresses to my address book.  It was
>> something I thought I should be doing but never knew if or when i
>> would get some real use out of it.  NOw, ii have a project that is
>> perfect for this application, but I can't make it work.  I have a
>> company that wants a quick sale on two amusement rides.  The price is
>> very cheap.  I need to send an email to all of my contacts that might
>> want such a ride.  How do I do this?  I can get it to send an email  
>> to
>> the one name selected but i can't get it to just send the same email
>> to everyone on the list.  Please help.  Thanks, Max
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: address book with email

[Alex Jurgensen]

HI,

You can make an address book group and send to the group.

Regards,
Alex,


On 18-Jun-09, at 9:11 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

>
> Hi Group;  Now, I'm stuck.  For a while now I've been clicking the
> command shift y to add email addresses to my address book.  It was
> something I thought I should be doing but never knew if or when i
> would get some real use out of it.  NOw, ii have a project that is
> perfect for this application, but I can't make it work.  I have a
> company that wants a quick sale on two amusement rides.  The price is
> very cheap.  I need to send an email to all of my contacts that might
> want such a ride.  How do I do this?  I can get it to send an email to
> the one name selected but i can't get it to just send the same email
> to everyone on the list.  Please help.  Thanks, Max
>
> >


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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Chris Blouch]

In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing 
installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something like that.

CB

Sean Tikkun wrote:
> The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and  
> the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in  
> truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for  
> $600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the  
> difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software  
> company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>
>   
>> Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
>> such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
>> sure.  Hard to say.
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
>>> leopard
>>> machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
>>> and show
>>> proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
>>> be a
>>> full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
>>> first, much
>>> like the windows disks. Just some random questions.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>>
>>>
>>> well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
>>> only power pc macs won't work.
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
 don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
 the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Scott Howell" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
 Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


 
> You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
> be
> wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
> when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
> could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
> register
> it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
> difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
> of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
> registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
> proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.
>
> On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>   
>> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
>> on
>> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
>> else's name.
>> 
>   
 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
>
> >
>   

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iPod Touche and iPhone 3.0 with VO

[David Hole]

Hello folks.
A short question here.
Does anyone of you know if the iPod Touche can use iPhone 3.0 software 
with VO, or is it only the iPhone 3G S that can do so?
Kind regards David

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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[Chris Blouch]

The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at&t-iphone_N.htm

In particular:

"AT&T has exclusive U.S. distribution rights for five years — an 
eternity in the go-go cellphone world. And Apple is barred for that time 
from developing a version of the iPhone for CDMA wireless networks. That 
ban is no small thing. AT&T rivals Verizon Wireless and Sprint are both 
CDMA shops. AT&T uses GSM, a global standard incompatible with CDMA."

CB

Scott Howell wrote:
> Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How  
> this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard  
> there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The  
> technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up  
> version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things  
> to happen and one will surely happen.
>
> 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or
> 2 VZW gets the iPhone.
>
> The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain  
> access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement  
> to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire.
> So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see  
> where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all  
> other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone  
> will have different results depending upon where they live.
>
>
> >
>   

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Re: iPod Touche and iPhone 3.0 with VO

[Chris Blouch]

I believe it's only the 3Gs that will have voiceover and the accessible 
touch screen navigation. Probably not enough memory/cpu in the older 
units to pull this off.

CB

David Hole wrote:
> Hello folks.
> A short question here.
> Does anyone of you know if the iPod Touche can use iPhone 3.0 software 
> with VO, or is it only the iPhone 3G S that can do so?
> Kind regards David
>
> >
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Re: address book with email

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

Hi Brent;  Thanks so much for the instructions.  I looked through the  
help topics and didn't find it.  Wish i had written for help sooner.   
I also wish I had know about setting up seperate groups for different  
segments of my address book.  I have a big job ahead making the new  
groups and transferring the contacts.  But it will make things so much  
easier once I'm done.  thanks again, Max
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Brett Campbell wrote:

>
> First open the Address application.  Next, if you haven't already, go
> to the create new group button and select it.  Give your group a name
> and create it.  Next go to the group table and select all, then move
> to the Name table.  Here you will find every name you have added to
> your address book.  Find the name you want to add to the group and
> copy with command C.  Go back to the group table and select the group
> you want to add the contact to.  Navigate back to the Name table and
> paste the contact card with command V.
> If you know how to select items in a list that aren't consecutive with
> VO, your task will go much faster.  I haven't mastered this task as of
> yet, so I repeat the process one at a time.
> To email the group is quite simple.  Create your email message and in
> whichever address field you like, you simply have to type the name of
> the desired group.  You can interact with the address field to confirm
> the addresses have been added.
> Good luck.
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Group;  Now, I'm stuck.  For a while now I've been clicking the
>> command shift y to add email addresses to my address book.  It was
>> something I thought I should be doing but never knew if or when i
>> would get some real use out of it.  NOw, ii have a project that is
>> perfect for this application, but I can't make it work.  I have a
>> company that wants a quick sale on two amusement rides.  The price is
>> very cheap.  I need to send an email to all of my contacts that might
>> want such a ride.  How do I do this?  I can get it to send an email  
>> to
>> the one name selected but i can't get it to just send the same email
>> to everyone on the list.  Please help.  Thanks, Max
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: voice over comes to the I phone

[ben mustill-rose]

Do we have a demo of someone using vo on the i phone yet?

On 18/06/2009, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>
> The 5 year GSM deal came from this May 2007 article in USA Today:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at&t-iphone_N.htm
>
> In particular:
>
> "AT&T has exclusive U.S. distribution rights for five years — an
> eternity in the go-go cellphone world. And Apple is barred for that time
> from developing a version of the iPhone for CDMA wireless networks. That
> ban is no small thing. AT&T rivals Verizon Wireless and Sprint are both
> CDMA shops. AT&T uses GSM, a global standard incompatible with CDMA."
>
> CB
>
> Scott Howell wrote:
>> Well keep in mind that VZW is planning to move away from CDMA. How
>> this will actually occur I don't have any details and I had not heard
>> there was some sort of five year agreement to only use GSM. The
>> technology VZW is planning to move toward is apparently a sooped-up
>> version of GSM. Either way, I'm willing to wait for one of two things
>> to happen and one will surely happen.
>>
>> 1. AT&T expands coverage and especially in the Metro Rail system here or
>> 2 VZW gets the iPhone.
>>
>> The possibility of AT&T like other GSM carriers may very well gain
>> access to the subway here because I believe VZW's exclusive agreement
>> to be the only carrier in the system has or is going to expire.
>> So, there is hope, but honestly I'm willing to wait a while and see
>> where things go with VZW. Here their network has out performed all
>> other carriers or at least the GSM carriers, but of course everyone
>> will have different results depending upon where they live.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>
> >
>


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Re: The iphone and gps

[Chris Blouch]

Seems like with the recently announced compass capability somebody 
should be able to come up with accessible walking directions. Now the 
phone will know not only where you are, but which way you are facing.

CB

erik burggraaf wrote:
> Hi, some one mentioned google maps.  That may provide limitted  
> functionality to get you started, though I'm not sure how it will do  
> with pedestrian routs and poi's.  Never know til you try it I guess.
>
> Other than that it is just a waiting game.  I mean, the thing isn't  
> even on the shelf yet, so it's going to be a while before the perfect  
> GPS solution or the marvelous bar code reader or the nifty colour  
> identifier emerge.  I hope they do, along with braille support and  
> some tother things.
>
> Best,
>
> erik burggraaf
> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant.
> Phone: 888-255-5194
> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
>
> On 10-Jun-09, at 3:13 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
>
>   
>> Hey guys,
>> What do you guys see as a solution for those who want a gps on the  
>> iphone,
>> do you think we're out of luck?
>> I couldn't find something that might work as a solution.  Any  
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jed
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
> >
>   

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Re: Rare Apple Synth

[Chris Blouch]

 From my old BBS days, here's how a null modem works. Say you had two 
telephones called up to two other people. If you wanted to you could put 
the two handsets together and the two people could talk with each other. 
Of course you would have to flip one phone around so the ear piece went 
to the mouthpiece and vice versa. This is what a null modem does. It 
takes the 'send' line from one device and crosses it over to the 
'receive' line on the other device and vice versa.

CB

arthur gindin wrote:
> "a house is not a home" and a "null modem" is not a modem.  it is a 
> small device that reverses the connections to the devices it connects 
> (no power supply).  i have attached a more accurate description from 
> Wikipedia.  so my connection will use a USB to serial connector, a null 
> modem, a serial to centronics connector which plugs into the Brailler.  
> i can't say this works yet as i have just ordered the null modem, but 
> that was Kearney's suggestion.  the null modem was $13.81 from 
> cablestogo.  i'll let you know if it helps.  there may be other 
> problems, but at least there are two us trying to solve this.
>
> art
>
> Tiffany D wrote:
>   
>> Why would I need to use a modem?  Couldn't I just instruct JAWS to use
>> lpt1 and use a straight parallel connector?  Hmm.
>>
>> On 06/06/2009, arthur gindin  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Greg Kearney is helping me hook up a Braille blazer.  check his recent
>>> previous emails.  it start with a USB to null modem to parallel plug.
>>> cablestogo.com has null modems among other cables and voice and email
>>> support
>>>
>>> art
>>>
>>> Tiffany D wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 This is truly fascinating and thanks for sharing.  As it is, I'm
 trying to learn Quickbasic and am looking for 4.5 so I can load it
 onto my Keynote Gold running Dos 6.22. I was born in 1983 and went
 blind at two-months-old.  In elementary school, I remember they had an
 Apple IIE (probaly e+), an Apple IIc and an Apple IIGS.  My classmates
 used to play Number Munchers and Origon Trail.  My first computer That
 we got was an Apple IIC in the early 90's.  We picked it up at a
 garrage sail and I could remember my mother was so excited cause it
 was so small.  She kept clicking the keys in the car (she doesn't
 drive so it was safe).  Oddly enough, she never used it and hasn't
 touched a computer much until last year or so.  I never got to use the
 IIC that much but kept it.  Soon afterword, we got a Tandy 1000, which
 I loved but couldn't use cause I was told there was nothing accessible
 for it.  Finally, we entered Windows in 1996 with my IBM Abtiva.  I
 didn't use it for a few years and still wanted to use dos and the
 Tandy.  I eventually gave that amazing machine away to someone who
 didn't appreciate it and who sold it.  Needless to say, I was furious.
  But it was that or the Apple IIC and I chose to keep the IIC.  It was
 only afterword that I found out I could use Vocal-eyes and play all
 the games I loved...  My IIGS, as I said, was given to me by my high
 school cause they knew I adored vintage tech.  Now if only I could
 find a Keynote Companion.

 That printer story made me laugh.  I have a dot matrics printer from
 Apple that reminds me a little of my Epson for dos.  I'm sure it has
 all the capabilities one would expect from a regular printer, printing
 both cases etc.  I never knew that there was one that didn't do this.
 I was actually looking for a Doubletalk to replace my Echos for both
 my pc (LT there) and Apple and found them here
 http://www.rcsys.com/order.htm
 but the prices are too high for me right now.  I'd love to hear one so
 I could decide if it's worth the purchase.  The mouse, in my opinion,
 was a disaster and the beginning of the end of all good things
 incomputers.

 Some quick offtopic things and please feel free to email me offlist so
 there's no trouble.  I've asked everyone and you guys are the only
 ones who answer me.  Has anyone here ever used Freedos?  If so, is it
 accessible and with which screenreader?  Can I use my Braillenote as a
 synthesizer with JAWS for Dos if I tell it that it's a Keynote gold
 standalone, an accent or a generic serial one?  If I can't find the
 Echo or the cord to my Keynote Voicecard (if anyone has one I'll pay
 you for it), can I use my Braille Blazer through it's parallel port?
 Where can I find ASAP and how difficult is it to use?

 On 06/06/2009, Josh de Lioncourt  wrote:

   
 
> I'd be happy to reminisce about the old Apple 2 and early outSpoken
> days. :) My II GS is in storage, so can't do any demos for a few
> months, but would be happy to talk about it. I loved those machines. I
> used the Apple 2E, 2C, 2C+, and 2GS.
>
> Josh de Lioncourt
>…my other mail provider is a

Re: Rare Apple Synth

[Chris Blouch]

The original Apple IIs (before the IIgs) had their own DOS but it was 
something Apple wrote from scratch and not a clone of CP/M or MS DOS. It 
had the usual commands to catalog the contents of a disk or execute a 
program. It was, like many things on the II, very small fast and 
efficient but had some gaping holes such as the lack of a copy command 
or folders. You also had to type out CATALOG every time which got old. 
That's why I used the ampersand trick to make it do a catalog. poke 
1014,110 and then poke 1015,165 to make & == CATALOG. So much typing 
saved that those pokes still stick in my head years later. Yet I still 
forget the lunch I packed on the the table at home when heading to work. 
Why is that?

CB

Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> Hi there.
> I think your story isn't boring at all. It's interesting to hear where  
> people came from before they ended up here. All those old computers  
> and synths and stuff it's way cool!
> Has anyone, by the way, heard of or even used a computer/screenreader/ 
> speech synth that was called "totaltalk". I have heard it, but i have  
> never used it. It was the only speech synth i couldn't for the life of  
> me understand what it said.
> A question also to the hard core apple users out there, did the Apple  
> II have a dos like interface? Did it differ much from MsDos?
> /Krister
>
>
> 7 jun 2009 kl. 22.30 skrev Ignasi Cambra:
>
>   
>> All this stories are so fascinating...! Many of these computers you
>> guys are talking about are way older than me anyway... I started using
>> DOS with a spanish screen reader called Habla. Well I think it was
>> developed in Spain, but I don't know if anyone else ever tried it. It
>> was kind of similar to JAWS for Dos. I used that thing with an
>> external synth connected through the serial port. The synth was made
>> in Spain too, and it was pretty fancy for the time. Well, actually it
>> might not be a spanish synth, I don't know. It had some very very
>> sharp braille dots on it that said "Ciberveu". No seriously, they were
>> sharp enough that if you tried to read them with too much energy I
>> guess they could hurt you and everything! I was 7 or 8 years old by
>> then, so I only used Word Perfect and a dictionary that came in some 6
>> or 7 disketes. I even had a really, really loud embosser that I still
>> use these days. After that I started using a PC with Windows 98 when I
>> was 10 or 11. It had a 1gb HD and 64mb ram. After going through all
>> those Windows PC's I finally got a Macbook aluminum and I can't be any
>> happier with it...
>> Oh well, my story is obviously boring and uninteresting, but somehow I
>> wrote it anyway...
>>
>> Ignasi
>> On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I don't know if i have told you my computer history fully and if i
>>> had, feel free to skip this mail.
>>> I think i am one of the few blind people who actually started my
>>> computer experience in a graphical environment and loved it from the
>>> start.
>>> The very first computer like thing i had was an Eureka A4, ya know
>>> those note takers with thermometer, clock, calendar and many more
>>> things on them. It had its own variation of Cp/m so it was a command
>>> line interface. Then by accident or coinsidence or how one should say
>>> it, i and my work mates  stumbled upon Outspoken through an ad in a
>>> paper. We decided to try it out since a work mate on my job back then
>>> had a Mac Se30 with System 7 on it. It so happened that one of
>>> rehabilitation people i knew had a copy of Outspoken in a drawer that
>>> he had discarded as useless some time ago. I asked if i could borrow
>>> it and test it and got reluctant permission. Boy, was i glad when i
>>> discovered that not only could i access the Mac, but i could use it
>>> just as well as my sighted collegues, with the exception of graphics
>>> editing. I got a mac myself, that is first we rented a Mac Classic
>>> with 80 Meg hard drive and i thought that "I'm never gonna fill this
>>> gigantic hard drive". The experimentations went so well that i got my
>>> own Mac a Mac II Vx with 200 meg hard drive. This must have been
>>> around 1993 or something. I also had a Powerbook back then. This  
>>> setup
>>> went with me until 1996 or thereabouts when i was more or less forced
>>> to switch to PC. Of course i was curious as to what one could do with
>>> a PC and Dos so that was one of the reasons i switched. As i had used
>>> Outspoken and loved it on the Mac, i decided to try Outspoken for
>>> Windows when it came out. It was quite good, but not as good as the
>>> Mac version.
>>> Time went by and i tried various Windows incarnations, 95, 98 and XP,
>>> and now i'm back on the mac again and love it.
>>> One thing that i must mention before i finish this longish mail is
>>> that the only braille embosser compatible with the mac at that time  
>>> in
>>> Sweden, at least that's what they said, was a big loud thing called
>>> the Ve

Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Brent Harding]

I suppose then from now out every time you reinstall, you will need both disks. 
I wonder what happens whenever the next one comes out, install leopard, then 
Snow Leopard, then whatever?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Blouch 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:11 PM
  Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


  In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing 
installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something like that.

  CB

  Sean Tikkun wrote: 
The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and  
the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in  
truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for  
$600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the  
difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software  
company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.


On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:

  Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
sure.  Hard to say.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
leopard
machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
and show
proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
be a
full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
first, much
like the windows disks. Just some random questions.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
only power pc macs won't work.

On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:

  Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
be
wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
register
it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.

On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

  Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
on
Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
else's name.
  


  


  
  

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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Chris Blouch]

I guess it depends on if they treat Snow Leopard as a full separate 
release or just an upgrade. From the pricing it sounds like it's just an 
upgrade to 10.5 so they might go the upgrade route. At the same time, it 
adds complexity down the road. If you're doing a fresh install you have 
to install the old OS just to install the upgrade, which is a waste of 
time and you have to keep track of your old disks just in case. That's 
not the Apple way. I guess we'll find out in September.

CB

Brent Harding wrote:
> I suppose then from now out every time you reinstall, you will need 
> both disks. I wonder what happens whenever the next one comes out, 
> install leopard, then Snow Leopard, then whatever?
>  
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chris Blouch 
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
> In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing
> installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something
> like that.
>
> CB
>
> Sean Tikkun wrote:
>> The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and  
>> the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in  
>> truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for  
>> $600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the  
>> difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software  
>> company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
>>> such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
>>> sure.  Hard to say.
>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>>
>>> 
 So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
 leopard
 machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
 and show
 proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
 be a
 full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
 first, much
 like the windows disks. Just some random questions.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


 well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
 only power pc macs won't work.

 On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:

   
> Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
> don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
> the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
>
> 
>> You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
>> be
>> wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
>> when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
>> could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
>> register
>> it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
>> difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
>> of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
>> registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
>> proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
>>> on
>>> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
>>> else's name.
>>> 
>>   
> 

   
>>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>
>
> >

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Re: Golden Apples

[Chris Blouch]

While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key 
mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game 
controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did 
the lower case text chip mod.

Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy 
drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up.

The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved 
copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into 
the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your 
tape didn't write correctly you now had  no copy on tape and your copy 
in memory was gone.

The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which 
made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch. 
So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made 
the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your 
boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker.

The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to 
Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :)

The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip.

CB

Gary W. Kelly wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket.  My first  
> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad  
> school and working before Apple began.
>
> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>
> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their  
> products.  The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did  
> large print, and did have a limited speech capability.  That came out  
> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading  
> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a  
> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the  
> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I  
> was called a 2-I.  It had no floating point basic.  Bill Gates wrote  
> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him  
> outright.  The old machines came with 48K of RAM!  We did a lot with  
> them.
>
> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II  
> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as  
> opposed to the older ones of 110.  Dennis Hayes was a young professor  
> at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started.
>
> Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started  
> the real revolution to the PC.   I remember being excited to get a  
> chip for my old Apple that let me have upper and lower case, so I  
> could better do word processing with it--with a product called Tedit,  
> and later Apple Writer [], called Apple Writer 2.
>
> My first printer was an old ASR-33 teletype, that only wrote in  
> uppercase.  It was so loud, that we either left the room when  
> printing, or put the thing out in the hall to print. I put wheels on  
> it, to wheel it outside of the door!
>
> I was highly productive in those days.   While many of my colleagues  
> were laborious writing out their papers and proposals in longhand,  
> Remember that art?--[grin]--I could write my papers on the Apple, edit  
> them, and print the rough draft on that old ASR-33!  I could give a  
> ready draft to my secretary, so it could be typed into a final draft-- 
> ready to go.  I was more productive than my peers.
>
> It was an exciting time.   Advances came along all the time--and major  
> ones.  There were a number of other Apple products that flopped, and  
> the Apple was the cash cow for Apple.  The Lisa, the Apple 3, came and  
> went before Jobs got the Mac worked out.
>
> The difference  between then and now was that leaps in computer tech  
> came as more revolutionary than evolutionary.  The mouse arrived then,  
> and it changed the world.
>
> There was a  portable Apple II called the IIc.  The Apple II-E  
> followed the II plus, and was the one most people know. The IIgs came  
> in 1986--I still have mine.   It has an old Slotbuster, which was made  
> by Randy Carlstrum, of RC Systems--the precursor to the LiteTalk and  
> DoubleTalk you know.
>
> I have 2 LiteTalks, and a DoubleTalk, too.  I liked the Slotbuster, as  
> it ran well with AppleWorks, which I used to write my thesis in grad  
> school.   By then, Macs were dominating the
>   scene, as the Apple II Forever died in 1988, while Jobs left to form  
> Next Computer.
>
> By then a younger Larry Schutchan wrote Proterm, and his first  
> software for the Apple II.  He quickly moved off to the PC, and the  
> excellent work on ASAP.--No, he is still around--at A{PH, and is the  
> creator of things you know, like Bookport--now extinct, and the  
> Braille Plus, which many of you do know.
>
> AppleWorks was an amazing creation, in that it was one of the first  
> Suites of sof

RE: Golden Apples

[Emmons, Tim]

I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for this list but 
I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or contributed in a while 
because they've worked our email addresses around but I wsaw this and had too. 
I started out with an apple 2E, in fifth grade, and remember seeing the apple 2 
plus at a summer program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may or may not have 
seen on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had the chance to see 
one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games that he had 
dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it was a very interesting 
time indeed. To think that started accessibility for us then was an awesome 
thing. I used mine all the way through highschool, and college where I wrote 
plenty of term papers before it gave up the ghost and died after ten years or 
so of working like mad. The image writer printer I used worked with the Braille 
and Speak for years after that and got me through graduate school in Library 
science, so those products were made to last believe it or not. I'm fascinated 
by the development of os10 and snowleopard and can't wait to see where that 
goes. I have a lot of patrons that are going the way of the Apple and I am 
working towards that myself. Hopefully I can get my hands on a good Macbook or 
mac book pro. I may have to settle for a mini to begin with but I prefer the 
whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for listening and I'll hush before Cara and 
the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take care and thanks again for listening. Talk 
to you soon.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org
Subject: Re: Golden Apples


While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key
mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game
controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did
the lower case text chip mod.

Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy
drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up.

The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved
copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into
the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your
tape didn't write correctly you now had  no copy on tape and your copy
in memory was gone.

The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which
made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch.
So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made
the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your
boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker.

The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to
Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :)

The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip.

CB

Gary W. Kelly wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket.  My first
> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad
> school and working before Apple began.
>
> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>
> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their
> products.  The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did
> large print, and did have a limited speech capability.  That came out
> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading
> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a
> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the
> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I
> was called a 2-I.  It had no floating point basic.  Bill Gates wrote
> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him
> outright.  The old machines came with 48K of RAM!  We did a lot with
> them.
>
> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II
> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as
> opposed to the older ones of 110.  Dennis Hayes was a young professor
> at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started.
>
> Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started
> the real revolution to the PC.   I remember being excited to get a
> chip for my old Apple that let me have upper and lower case, so I
> could better do word processing with it--with a product called Tedit,
> and later Apple Writer [], called Apple Writer 2.
>
> My first printer was an old ASR-33 teletype, that only wrote in
> uppercase.  It was so loud, that we either left the room when
> printing, or put the thing out in the hall to print. I put wheels on
> it, to wheel it outside of the door!
>
> I was highly productive in those days.   While many of my colleagues
> were labori

Re: Purchasing individual songs on iTunes - solved

[Chris Blouch]

I'm a little behind on my email so I'm finally getting a chance to look 
into this. Yes, in  iTunes 8.1 command-shift-b was working and in 8.2 
it's not. there is a command under the Finder menu then Services called 
Send file to BlueTooth device which is also command-shift-b. So for some 
reason with iTunes 8.1 this services command did something different. I 
poked around in iTunes 8.2 and there still is no Buy menu item so I 
can't create my own shortcut via the Keyboard & Mouse system preference. 
So I'm guessing that after dropping it from iTunes the OS now does the 
next best thing it can with command-shift-b which is the bluetooth send.

So on a whim I went to the Keyboard and Mouse system Preference and 
created a new shortcut for iTunes. Even though there is no menu item 
called Buy, I typed that in anyway and assigned it command-shift-B. 
Amazingly enough it worked. I selected a row in the store, hit 
command-shift-b and it prompted for my purchasing authentication info.

CB
Scott Howell wrote:
> Hey Esther, then that explains some things since I was previously on  
> iTunes 8.1.1 and let me tell you 8.2, that keystroke is gone.
> On Jun 6, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>   
>> Scott,
>>
>> This system doesn't have the iTunes 8.2 upgrade yet, so I was
>> reporting based on iTunes 8.1.1.  I know that Command-Shift-B worked a
>> few weeks ago.  My guess is that they've transitioned to the a
>> bluetooth shortcut as part of the move to iTunes 8.2 (and maybe for
>> support of the new model iPhones).  So if you have iTunes 8.2
>> installed it may not be surprising that you don't get the
>> "transitional" state of being able to work the command short-cut if
>> you toggle VO off.  Actually, I'm set on single tracks and one-click
>> purchase mode right now, but I tested Command-Shift-B with a shopping
>> cart a few weeks ago, and it worked then!  Go figure.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:36 , Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Esther, even turning VO off and performing the same keystroke and
>>> turning VO back on still results in the bluetooth file transfer  
>>> app. I
>>> also checked and found no additional window open. SOmething is
>>> incredibly strange here if your results are different. I seriously
>>> doubt it has anything to do with whether your using an iMac or  
>>> Macbook
>>> or newer or older keyboard. Well, it shouldn't, so why you are  
>>> getting
>>> a different result is very curious. Now previous to upgrading to  
>>> 8.2 I
>>> will tell you it was random at times that I'd get either the  
>>> bluetooth
>>> file exchange or the dialog asking if I wanted to purchase the album.
>>> I don't know if there is a difference between purchasing albums or
>>> individual tracks. In my case and I should have pointed this out, I  
>>> am
>>> attempting to purchase an entire album from my shopping cart. I am
>>> prompted before the album is actually purchased, so I can experiment
>>> here, but single tracks I can't honestly remember right now if you  
>>> get
>>> that dialog asking if your sure you want to purchase this and your
>>> card will be charged.
>>> This is very interesting indeed.
>>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Esther wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Hi Scott,

 This is weird.  Yes, there was a shortcut key: Command-Shift-B to  
 buy
 music, and it did work for iTunes.  We posted about it less than a
 month ago, and the original post from Chris Blouch was back in
 October. Now when I use Command-Shift-B in iTunes I hear "Send file
 to
 Bluetooth Device".  So I toggled VoiceOver off, issued the same
 command, toggled it on again, and got the dialog window for
 proceeding
 with the purchase.  (You may have to use VO-F2 twice to bring up
 window chooser menu).  It sounds as though they're preparing iTunes
 for some other device sync options, but the other use of the  
 Command-
 Shift-B shortcut seems to have gone away if you have VoiceOver  
 turned
 on.  (Thank goodness there is free music content in the iTunes Store
 to practice with!)

 Cheers,

 Esther

 Scott Howell wrote:

 
> Funny, there was a shortcut key I believe it was command+shift+b
> that
> you could use as well, but that seems to bring up a dialog box for
> sending files via bluetooth. Do I have this keystroke wrong?
>   
>>>   
>> 
>
>
> >
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Re: Golden Apples

[Chris Blouch]

We had the Hayes Micromodem II which consisted of a huge board plugged 
inside the computer plus an external box with even more stuff inside it 
hooked to the phone line. So for a mere $13 per hour to Compuserve plus 
something like $.50 a minute for long distance I could download the 
walkthrough for Infocom's Zork or read up on the 84 Olympics at 
something approaching 30 characters a second. Needless to say my parents 
decided the online revolution was not hitting our household yet and the 
modem collected dust. I think they still have it in the attic.

CB

Emmons, Tim wrote:
> I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for this list 
> but I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or contributed in a 
> while because they've worked our email addresses around but I wsaw this and 
> had too. I started out with an apple 2E, in fifth grade, and remember seeing 
> the apple 2 plus at a summer program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may 
> or may not have seen on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had 
> the chance to see one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games 
> that he had dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it was a 
> very interesting time indeed. To think that started accessibility for us then 
> was an awesome thing. I used mine all the way through highschool, and college 
> where I wrote plenty of term papers before it gave up the ghost and died 
> after ten years or so of working like mad. The image writer printer I used 
> worked with the Braille and Speak for years after that and got me through 
> graduate school in Library science, so those products were made to last 
> believe it or not. I'm fascinated by the development of os10 and snowleopard 
> and can't wait to see where that goes. I have a lot of patrons that are going 
> the way of the Apple and I am working towards that myself. Hopefully I can 
> get my hands on a good Macbook or mac book pro. I may have to settle for a 
> mini to begin with but I prefer the whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for 
> listening and I'll hush before Cara and the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take 
> care and thanks again for listening. Talk to you soon.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org
> Subject: Re: Golden Apples
>
>
> While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key
> mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the game
> controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did
> the lower case text chip mod.
>
> Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two floppy
> drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up.
>
> The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your saved
> copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into
> the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your
> tape didn't write correctly you now had  no copy on tape and your copy
> in memory was gone.
>
> The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which
> made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch.
> So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made
> the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your
> boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker.
>
> The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys to
> Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :)
>
> The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound chip.
>
> CB
>
> Gary W. Kelly wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket.  My first
>> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of undergrad
>> school and working before Apple began.
>>
>> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>>
>> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their
>> products.  The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did
>> large print, and did have a limited speech capability.  That came out
>> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading
>> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a
>> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the
>> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the II-I
>> was called a 2-I.  It had no floating point basic.  Bill Gates wrote
>> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him
>> outright.  The old machines came with 48K of RAM!  We did a lot with
>> them.
>>
>> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple II
>> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as
>> opposed to the older ones of 110.  Dennis Hayes was a young 

I'm a bad boy

[Marshall Scott]

Hi FOlks,
Well, I couldn't stand it anymore.  I broke down and ordered one of  
the new 13 inch Mac Book Pro's.  I'm looking forward to trying out the  
trackpad gestures.  Also, I needed a bigger hard drive as well.
Ah, heck, who am I kidding.  I just wanted a new toy!
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Re: I'm a bad boy

[Slau]

Very bad, bad boy. Now go stand in the corner... and play with your new 
MacBook Pro. ;)

- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Scott" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: I'm a bad boy


>
> Hi FOlks,
> Well, I couldn't stand it anymore.  I broke down and ordered one of
> the new 13 inch Mac Book Pro's.  I'm looking forward to trying out the
> trackpad gestures.  Also, I needed a bigger hard drive as well.
> Ah, heck, who am I kidding.  I just wanted a new toy!
> Marsh
>
>
>
> > 


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Re: Problem sinking Ipod in new release of Itunes

[Scott Howell]

Well that is good news indeed and I am quite certain it will be fixed.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Dean Hudson wrote:

>
> Simon:
> You are not alone.  The iTUnes group is aware of the issue and were
> able to reproduce.
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>>
>> Thank you for trying for me. ITunes works fine otherwise. It's only
>> this thing that has transpired since the last update.
>>
>> With best wisehs
>>
>> Simon
>> On 16 Jun 2009, at 22:22, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Simon, I have not encountered this problem. Does iTunes work  
>>> normally
>>> otherwise? If not, I wonder if your library has become corrupted
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>>>

 Hello Listers,

 I've just noticed that I am not able to sink my Ipod with the
 selected
 playlists in the new Itunes. Every time I try to scroll down the
 list
 of the playlists, my Itunes crashes. I also no longer hear the
 characteristic wooshing sound when scrolling is executed with vo
 +shift
 +s command. I've just notified Apple of this bug. I just wonder
 whether anyone else has experienced this?

 With best wishes

 Simon

>
>>>
>>>

>>
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>>>
>
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Re: ipod nano question

[Scott Howell]

Hmmm, to reset the iPod itself, you would slide the switch to the  
right, then slide it back to the left, and immediately hold down the  
bottom half of the wheel and the center button. I'm pretty sure that  
is correct, it has been a while. If I can think of anything else, I'll  
let you know, but this is rather strange.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 6:51 PM, gene wrote:

>
> Hi Scott, yeah I choose the reset settings and pressed the center  
> button on
> the ok button but the main menue still doesn't speak and I am  
> holding the
> ipod with the wheel at the boddom.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: ipod nano question
>
>
>>
>> Stupid question perhaps, but are you holding the Nano so the wheel is
>> at the bottom? Did you try resetting it from iTunes? I have not
>> experienced this problem with my Nano, but I have on at least one
>> occasion found it necessary to reset the Nano completely, which meant
>> I had to basically start over, but it had gotten really hosed in some
>> fashion.
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2009, at 7:45 PM, gene wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Alex, I tried the main menu again and all it said is view  
>>> pannel on
>>> running my finger around the vertual dial just clicked.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Rare Apple Synth

[Josh de Lioncourt]

Ah yes, you're talking DOS 3.3, but by the mid '80's the Apple 2's had  
ProDOS, which was lightyears better, and included directories, copy  
commands, and more. Excellent times.

I still have my Apple iiGS, and it still works pretty well.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> The original Apple IIs (before the IIgs) had their own DOS but it  
> was something Apple wrote from scratch and not a clone of CP/M or MS  
> DOS. It had the usual commands to catalog the contents of a disk or  
> execute a program. It was, like many things on the II, very small  
> fast and efficient but had some gaping holes such as the lack of a  
> copy command or folders. You also had to type out CATALOG every time  
> which got old. That's why I used the ampersand trick to make it do a  
> catalog. poke 1014,110 and then poke 1015,165 to make & == CATALOG.  
> So much typing saved that those pokes still stick in my head years  
> later. Yet I still forget the lunch I packed on the the table at  
> home when heading to work. Why is that?
>
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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Scott Howell]

It will be a full copy of Snow Leopard. I have never heard of Apple  
offering an upgrade disk like Microsoft used to do. I don't think they  
even do that any longer, but hey with Microsoft, nothing surprises  
me. :)

On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> They usually don't have upgrade disks. They are usually full install
> disks.
>
> Regards,
> Alex,
>
>
> On 17-Jun-09, at 8:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>
>>
>> So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
>> leopard
>> machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
>> and show
>> proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
>> be a
>> full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
>> first, much
>> like the windows disks. Just some random questions.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>
>>
>> well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
>> only power pc macs won't work.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
>>> don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
>>> the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Scott Howell" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>>
>>>

 You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
 be
 wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
 when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
 could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
 register
 it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
 difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
 of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
 registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
 proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.

 On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

>
> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
> on
> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
> else's name.


>

>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
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Re: I'm a bad boy

[Scott Howell]

Well I know how you feel. I purchased a new MacBook Pro 15-inch cause  
I wanted to replace my iMac, which I gave my wife with a machine that  
would be comparable to the iMac.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Marshall Scott wrote:

>
> Hi FOlks,
> Well, I couldn't stand it anymore.  I broke down and ordered one of
> the new 13 inch Mac Book Pro's.  I'm looking forward to trying out the
> trackpad gestures.  Also, I needed a bigger hard drive as well.
> Ah, heck, who am I kidding.  I just wanted a new toy!
> Marsh
>
>
>
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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Scott Howell]

When I purchased my copy of Leopard, it was a full copy and didn't  
care if I had Tiger installed. I think this version is going to be  
significant enough that an upgrade disk would be quite a surprise. It  
is in many ways a different os, if you will.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

> I suppose then from now out every time you reinstall, you will need  
> both disks. I wonder what happens whenever the next one comes out,  
> install leopard, then Snow Leopard, then whatever?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Blouch
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
> In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing  
> installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something  
> like that.
>
> CB
>
> Sean Tikkun wrote:
>>
>> The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40  
>> and
>> the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in
>> truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for
>> $600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the
>> difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software
>> company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
>>> such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
>>> sure.  Hard to say.
>>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>>
>>>
 So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to  
 the
 leopard
 machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
 and show
 proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
 be a
 full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
 first, much
 like the windows disks. Just some random questions.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


 well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
 only power pc macs won't work.

 On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:


> Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
> don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but  
> most of
> the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
>
>
>> You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I  
>> may
>> be
>> wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way,  
>> but
>> when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated.  
>> You
>> could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
>> register
>> it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
>> difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this  
>> because
>> of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
>> registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall  
>> no
>> proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones  
>>> sold
>>> on
>>> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
>>> else's name.
>>>
>>
>


>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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adium issue

[Brandon Misch]

Hey all. chantel is having a problem where she was having  
authroization issues a while back. and then when she found out how to  
authorize people, the old authorizations won't disappear and this is  
after she added the people a while ago.


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Re: adium issue

[Matthew Elliff]

strange. i had the authorization thing happen, went to the menu with
vo shift m and went to authorize and add. they're not showing up here.
the table will still appear if you go to it, but nine's blank. seems
to work for me for a first try in the new beta.

On 6/18/09, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>
> Hey all. chantel is having a problem where she was having
> authroization issues a while back. and then when she found out how to
> authorize people, the old authorizations won't disappear and this is
> after she added the people a while ago.
>
>
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more on adium issue

[Brandon Misch]

ok one think i left out is she keeps doing command w and the dialog  
keeps coming up time and time again.


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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Scott Bresnahan]

Hi,

I bet it  may just be the full install disk of Snow Leopard when you 
buy the upgrade.  What you are forgetting is that this is an Intel 
only version of the OS, so the number of Intel only Macs that shipped 
with Tiger compared to Leopard is relatively small.  Not to mention 
those owners who already upgraded to Leopard reduce that number even 
more.  I'm just speculating, but most people who have a mac that can 
run Snow Leopard, already have Leopard by definition.

Time will tell.


--Scott





At 6:00 PM -0400 6/18/09, Scott Howell wrote:
When I purchased my copy of Leopard, it was a full copy and didn't 
care if I had Tiger installed. I think this version is going to be 
significant enough that an upgrade disk would be quite a surprise. It 
is in many ways a different os, if you will.

On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

I suppose then from now out every time you reinstall, you will need 
both disks. I wonder what happens whenever the next one comes out, 
install leopard, then Snow Leopard, then whatever?


- Original Message -
From: Chris Blouch
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing 
installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something like 
that.

CB

Sean Tikkun wrote:

The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and 
the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in 
truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for 
$600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the 
difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software 
company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.


On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:



Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
sure.  Hard to say.
On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:



So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
leopard
machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
and show
proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
be a
full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
first, much
like the windows disks. Just some random questions.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com]
 
On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
only power pc macs won't work.

On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:

  

Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.

- Original Message -
From: "Scott Howell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard




You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
be
wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
register
it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.

On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

  

Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
on
Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
else's name.


  




  















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Imap messages after deleting

[Brett Campbell]

Hi,

I'm using Imap with a gmail account in the Mail App.  When I delete  
messages from my inbox they appear in the gmail all mail label, and  
don't seem to go away on their own.  I have set deleted messages to be  
removed after one day, but they continue to linger in all mail.  Does  
anyone know if there is a way for my deleted messages to actually be  
deleted?

Thanks,

Brett



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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Brent Harding]

I think MS still does these yet. There, you usually have to install the old 
versions before the new, so if you had XP, then upgrade to Vista, and then 
to 7, that's 3 times the amount of sighted assistance needed with every 
reformat.
- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Bresnahan" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


>
> Hi,
>
> I bet it  may just be the full install disk of Snow Leopard when you
> buy the upgrade.  What you are forgetting is that this is an Intel
> only version of the OS, so the number of Intel only Macs that shipped
> with Tiger compared to Leopard is relatively small.  Not to mention
> those owners who already upgraded to Leopard reduce that number even
> more.  I'm just speculating, but most people who have a mac that can
> run Snow Leopard, already have Leopard by definition.
>
> Time will tell.
>
>
> --Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> At 6:00 PM -0400 6/18/09, Scott Howell wrote:
> When I purchased my copy of Leopard, it was a full copy and didn't
> care if I had Tiger installed. I think this version is going to be
> significant enough that an upgrade disk would be quite a surprise. It
> is in many ways a different os, if you will.
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
> I suppose then from now out every time you reinstall, you will need
> both disks. I wonder what happens whenever the next one comes out,
> install leopard, then Snow Leopard, then whatever?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Blouch
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
> In the past there have been upgrade CDs that check for an existing
> installation on the hard drive. I suspect they will do something like
> that.
>
> CB
>
> Sean Tikkun wrote:
>
> The 'low price' really isn't that low.  iWork is $40, iLife is $40 and
> the last couple upgrades have been $80 I think.  Just shows that in
> truth Apple products are very affordable!  Sure you can buy a PC for
> $600, but you Office is going to cost you enough to balance out the
> difference of a mac!  They are a hardware company, not a software
> company.  I expect it will be a full upgrade disc.
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>
>
>
> Good questions Kevin, haven't really heard anything as of yet.  With
> such a low price, i'd think it'd just be an upgrade disc, but not
> sure.  Hard to say.
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>
>
>
> So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
> leopard
> machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
> and show
> proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
> be a
> full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
> first, much
> like the windows disks. Just some random questions.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
> To: 
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
>
> well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
> only power pc macs won't work.
>
> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>
>
> Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
> don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most of
> the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scott Howell" 
> To: 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>
>
>
>
> You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
> be
> wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way, but
> when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated. You
> could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
> register
> it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
> difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this because
> of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
> registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
> proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.
>
> On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>
>
> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
> on
> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
> else's name.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> --Scott
>
> >
> 


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Re: more on adium issue

[Matthew Elliff]

think the dialog is just there now. it's always a choice in the menu.
when i looked in mine the request wasn't showing but it's still set up
like one would be there but it wasn't. hope that makes sense.

On 6/18/09, Brandon Misch  wrote:
>
> ok one think i left out is she keeps doing command w and the dialog
> keeps coming up time and time again.
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Imap messages after deleting

[Scott Rutkowski]

Hi man.

try using purge deleted or something like that.

this should delete them for good.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brett Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Imap messages after deleting


>
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Imap with a gmail account in the Mail App.  When I delete
> messages from my inbox they appear in the gmail all mail label, and
> don't seem to go away on their own.  I have set deleted messages to be
> removed after one day, but they continue to linger in all mail.  Does
> anyone know if there is a way for my deleted messages to actually be
> deleted?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> > 


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Re: Golden Apples

[Peggy Fleischer]

I'm with you Tim,  I had an Apple 2E and an image writer printer  at  
my first job.  My  Father inlaw  is still using that computer. I think  
I got it in 1986. I remember Nick teaching those classes because I am  
in Florida also.  Your post was a real blast from the past! thanks for  
sharing.

On Jun 18, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Emmons, Tim wrote:

>
> I know this is probably way off topic and off the beaten path for  
> this list but I have to chime in here. I know I haven't written or  
> contributed in a while because they've worked our email addresses  
> around but I wsaw this and had too. I started out with an apple 2E,  
> in fifth grade, and remember seeing the apple 2 plus at a summer  
> program in Pensacola. Nick Dotson, who you may or may not have seen  
> on other lists taught that class, with the apples. I had the chance  
> to see one of the older modems, the one like they had on War Games  
> that he had dialedinto his house with to do different things, so it  
> was a very interesting time indeed. To think that started  
> accessibility for us then was an awesome thing. I used mine all the  
> way through highschool, and college where I wrote plenty of term  
> papers before it gave up the ghost and died after ten years or so of  
> working like mad. The image writer printer I used worked with the  
> Braille and Speak for years after that and got me through graduate  
> school in Library science, so those products were made to last  
> believe it or not. I'm fascinated by the development of os10 and  
> snowleopard and can't wait to see where that goes. I have a lot of  
> patrons that are going the way of the Apple and I am working towards  
> that myself. Hopefully I can get my hands on a good Macbook or mac  
> book pro. I may have to settle for a mini to begin with but I prefer  
> the whole laptop thing. Anyway, thanks for listening and I'll hush  
> before Cara and the mod crew hunt me down, Lol. Take care and thanks  
> again for listening. Talk to you soon.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: g...@blindwisdom.org
> Subject: Re: Golden Apples
>
>
> While we're geezing about Apple IIs, I remember there was a shift-key
> mod for the II+ where you would jumper the shift key to one of the  
> game
> controller buttons since it didn't really work otherwise when you did
> the lower case text chip mod.
>
> Beagle Bros had a little program that would alternate running two  
> floppy
> drives (for those so lucky) to sound like a steam train starting up.
>
> The joy of cassette tape storage was you never really knew if your  
> saved
> copy was actually good. Only sure way to tell was to load it back into
> the computer, which wiped out your previous work in memory. So if your
> tape didn't write correctly you now had  no copy on tape and your copy
> in memory was gone.
>
> The Apple II made sounds by accessing a certain memory address which
> made a click. Do it fast enough and you got a tone of a certain pitch.
> So you could search through games to change $C020 to $C030 which made
> the clicks go to the cassette port. From there you could hook up your
> boom box and get much better sound than the built in speaker.
>
> The IIc had a button right on the top of the case to switch the keys  
> to
> Dvorak layout. I guess that never really took off :)
>
> The IIgs was amazing for its time with the 32 channel Ensoniq sound  
> chip.
>
> CB
>
> Gary W. Kelly wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some of us were around even before the Echo and Cricket.  My first
>> Apple was an Apple II-I--from 1977, and I was already out of  
>> undergrad
>> school and working before Apple began.
>>
>> Anyone remember the Vocoder, or early Votrax?
>>
>> Yes, I do remember Mountain Hardware, and owned one of their
>> products.  The card was a graphics card that handled sprites, did
>> large print, and did have a limited speech capability.  That came out
>> in the 1980's after we had floppy drives, and were no longer loading
>> from a cassette tape! Back in those days, one wrote all programs of a
>> special nature oneself--often in Apple Basic, which came out in the
>> late 70's. The first basic was an Integer Basic, which is why the  
>> II-I
>> was called a 2-I.  It had no floating point basic.  Bill Gates wrote
>> the basic for Apple, and Apple had the good sense to buy it from him
>> outright.  The old machines came with 48K of RAM!  We did a lot with
>> them.
>>
>> It was very exciting to get fancy new hardware with 1980--the Apple  
>> II
>> Plus, had 64K, floppy drives!--and even a modem that was 300 baud, as
>> opposed to the older ones of 110.  Dennis Hayes was a young professor
>> at Georgia Tech then, and just getting started.
>>
>> Visicalc was written for the Apple in the early 1980's, and started
>> the real revolution to the PC.   I

Re: I'm a bad boy

[Peggy Fleischer]

Congratulations! Your going to love your new Macbook. I have a dell  
laptop and a netbook and still spent the money for a Macbook so I know  
all about being bad.  Have fun with your new toy.
On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Marshall Scott wrote:

>
> Hi FOlks,
> Well, I couldn't stand it anymore.  I broke down and ordered one of
> the new 13 inch Mac Book Pro's.  I'm looking forward to trying out the
> trackpad gestures.  Also, I needed a bigger hard drive as well.
> Ah, heck, who am I kidding.  I just wanted a new toy!
> Marsh
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard

[Alex Jurgensen]

HI,

I bet it will be just like 10.5.10, but instead of 10.5.10 it will be  
10.6. I think you will just install from 10.5 and then use who knows  
what to autorize it, because apple has no serial numbers.

Regards,
Alex,


On 18-Jun-09, at 2:58 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

>
> It will be a full copy of Snow Leopard. I have never heard of Apple
> offering an upgrade disk like Microsoft used to do. I don't think they
> even do that any longer, but hey with Microsoft, nothing surprises
> me. :)
>
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> They usually don't have upgrade disks. They are usually full install
>> disks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>> On 17-Jun-09, at 8:48 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So how are they doing this? Is this gonna be an update pushed to the
>>> leopard
>>> machines after a purchase is made, or do you go to an apple store
>>> and show
>>> proof of purchase and get a retail copy. If you get a disk, will it
>>> be a
>>> full install, or just an upgrade disk, whereby you need leopard
>>> first, much
>>> like the windows disks. Just some random questions.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard
>>>
>>>
>>> well, i'm sure the intel machines that use tiger will use leopard.
>>> only power pc macs won't work.
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>>

 Wow, I like that they do the honor system with this. I hope people
 don't start abusing it and buying it for Tiger machines, but most  
 of
 the stuff running Tiger probably won't support it anyways.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Scott Howell" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:08 AM
 Subject: Re: Pricing on Snow Leopard


>
> You should contact Apple and register the machine with them. I may
> be
> wrong on this since I have not purchased a machine in this way,  
> but
> when you install the OS, you register and that info is updated.  
> You
> could call Apple Care at (1-800) 275-2273 and see if you can
> register
> it in your name. Either way, I don't think it will make any
> difference. Either way, I would not be concerned about this  
> because
> of course once you get your copy of Snow Leopard, you would be
> registering it in your name and there is as far as I can recall no
> proof of purchase required when purchasing the upgrade.
>
> On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh, I thought I heard that it gets to be a problem with ones sold
>> on
>> Ebay because the machine itself might be registered in someone
>> else's name.
>
>
>>
>


>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Imap messages after deleting

[Brett Campbell]

Thanks for your suggestion.  It turns out my problem was a little more  
complicated, and required more than a purge.  It seems that I was  
getting multiple copies of the same messages, and gmail along with  
Mail,  didn't want me to be without them.  I found an article that  
seems to have solved the problem and spiffed up my mailbox sidebar at  
the same time.  Here is a link if anyone is having undesired behavior  
in  their gmail Imap account.
http://db.tidbits.com/article/10253?print_version=1

Regards,

Brett



On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Scott Rutkowski wrote:

>
> Hi man.
>
> try using purge deleted or something like that.
>
> this should delete them for good.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brett Campbell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:47 AM
> Subject: Imap messages after deleting
>
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using Imap with a gmail account in the Mail App.  When I delete
>> messages from my inbox they appear in the gmail all mail label, and
>> don't seem to go away on their own.  I have set deleted messages to  
>> be
>> removed after one day, but they continue to linger in all mail.  Does
>> anyone know if there is a way for my deleted messages to actually be
>> deleted?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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