Re: first impressions of 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> Olivier Ripoll wrote:
>> The only one that I had (re)defined in the preamble was oiint. So
>> shouldn't the wasy package/fonts be used only if AMSmath is
>> unselected ?

Angus> I think that the wasysym documentation
Angus> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/wasysym/wasysym.pdf
Angus> explains what we need to do. Executive summary:
Angus> \usepackage[nointegrals]{wasysymb} Georg?

Not, really, because we load wasysymb specifically to get these
special integrals like \oiint. What we are looking for is a way to get
the integrals without getting the look wasysym provides.

It seems that the esint.sty package the Herbert pointed to does that.
The problem is, how common is it?

JMarc

Re: first impressions of 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Olivier" == Olivier Ripoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Olivier> Isn't this possibly the feature that introduced the bug ? I
Olivier> am using oiint (defined in my preamble). LyX thinks this
Olivier> needs the wasy font and thus load the package. As a result, I
Olivier> have a problem with my preamble (oiint is defined twice, thus
Olivier> the error I had) and some wasysym integrals are used
Olivier> somewhere.

Olivier> LyX is mistaken if it thinks I need the wasysym because I use
Olivier> oiint. It shoudl realise oiint is defined in the preamble.

LyX is not supposed to analyze what you put in the preamble. So if you
use \oiint, it tries to provide a definition for it. That's how it works.

You can get rid of the error in preamble by using \def instead of
\newcommand to redefine \oiint. 

So I do not think we will fix this particular problem.

The problem we should try to fix however, is that wasysym produces
ugly integrals (or at least ``different'' integrals). It does not seem
to me that esint.sty is part of teTeX 2.0 (am I wrong), so I'd rather
avoid using it. 

JMarc

Re: first impressions of 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Herbert> Georg Baum wrote:
>>> It seems that the esint.sty package the Herbert pointed to does
>>> that. The problem is, how common is it?
>> I don't know. I never heard of it before, and it is not included in
>> tetex 2.0.

Herbert> there are a lot of packages which were not part of tetex
Herbert> _2.0_

Yes, but we try not to rely on them as far as possible.

JMarc

Re: first impressions of 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Herbert> but you try to rely on obsolete packages ... ;-) e.g. a4.sty

We got rid of it for 1.4.0 :)

JMarc

Re: /dev/null

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "sandro" == sandro massidda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

sandro> I tried to configure lyx and I got this problem, as in the
sandro> README file

sandro> here is a very nasty bug in LyX 1.2.2 configure script: if you
sandro> configure as root and an error occurs during the configure
sandro> step (e.g. xforms not found), the the script will delete the
sandro> /dev/null device. This undoubtly leads to very bad effect,
sandro> since /dev/null is a very basic device in any unix system.

sandro> If you have been victim of this problem, please complain on i
sandro> lyx-users@lists.lyx.org to get information on how to
sandro> reconstruct it.

sandro> can you help me?

Hello,

I am very surprised that there are still people building 1.2.2 2 years
and a half later, but you can try the solution outlined here and in
the rest of the thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg50661.html

I am sorry for this problem.

JMarc

Re: Heretical question?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Juergen" == Juergen Spitzmueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Juergen> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> Perhaps you should check out http://www.texmacs.org/

Juergen> or (if you're on win)
Juergen> http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/systems/win32/microimp/

I did not know this one.

I guess there is also BaKoMa YeX Word:
http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/systems/win32/bakoma/

JMarc

Re: multiple (extra) sub-menus in document's Navigate drop-down menu (1.3.5)

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kevin> But LyX is working inconsistently then, because for four of the
Kevin> seven chapters this worked just fine -- or failed, if you wish,
Kevin> if you reverse the logic. I.e. four chapters do _not_ reflect
Kevin> the true hierarchy (two empty levels) and three chapters do.

If you have a (small) file that demonstrate the problem, we can have a
look. 

Note that I have fixed the behaviour you describe in 1.4.0cvs, because
this can happen also for some 'normal' uses (article with parts).

>> If you want to change the visual markup of a Section then that is
>> what you should do. There are certainly experts on this list who
>> will help you do so. Same goes with the display of a section in the
>> TOC without a section number.

Kevin> No section is no problem, and I believe that I can adjust font
Kevin> size of the sections using the information that comes with the
Kevin> particular book class (but of course I have other things that I
Kevin> could be doing instead).

As far as numbering is concerned, just go to Layout>Document>Numbering
and adjust the section slider to fit your needs.

JMarc

Re: Heretical question?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "JORGE" == JORGE A HERNANDO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

JORGE> I absolutely agree with Mark's arguments and am very happy with
JORGE> Lyx and, particularly, with their way of doing mathematics.
JORGE> However, I have a question a little off thread: I can't get the
JORGE> reasons of creating the lyx format, which is quite similar to
JORGE> latex, instead of directly using latex, why was it necessary?

It is because LyX only understands a subset of latex, which is
precisely defined by its file format. Using a .tex format would give a
false impression that LyX knows all of LaTeX.

JMarc

Re: Heretical question?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "John" == John O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

John> Sorry I didnot notice the reply-to was not the list.

I did not notice at the time that this answer only went to me. It was
a pity, since I really enjoyed reading it :)

JMarc

Re: Heretical question?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "William" == William F Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

William> John's is much better though and should be enshrined in an
William> FAQ or advocacy document or something.

What about making a page on the wiki? 

JMarc

Re: \Gamma doesn't show in screen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> Paul Smith wrote:
>>> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/contrib/BaKoMa4LyX.zip
>> Not working the link above, Angus!

Angus>  So ftp.lyx.org is dead 

Angus> Jean-Marc?

Lars?

JMarc

Re: \Gamma doesn't show in screen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> Paul Smith wrote:
>>> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/contrib/BaKoMa4LyX.zip
>> Not working the link above, Angus!

Until ftp.lyx.org lives again, try:
http://lyx.mirror.fr/contrib/BaKoMa4LyX.zip

JMarc

Re: \Gamma doesn't show in screen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> On 7/26/05, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Paul> wrote:
>> >>> ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/contrib/BaKoMa4LyX.zip >> Not working
>> the link above, Angus!
>> 
>> Until ftp.lyx.org lives again, try:
>> http://lyx.mirror.fr/contrib/BaKoMa4LyX.zip

Paul> The mirror works fine! Thanks, Jean-Marc. But the fonts seem to
Paul> be for LyX Win, according to the file readme. And for Linux? The
Paul> xft ones?

This has been packaged for windows, but I see no reason why it would
not work with linux. Actually, it would be very nice to package them
as a rpm.

JMarc

Re: \Gamma doesn't show in screen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Lars> | Angus>  So ftp.lyx.org is dead 
>>
Lars> | Angus> Jean-Marc?
>>
Lars> | Lars?

Lars> ftp.lyx.org works fine for me.

Indeed. It did not yesterday, but I think the mere fact of invoking
your name was enough to scare it.

JMarc

Re: Paste external

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Stephen" == Stephen Buonopane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> When I have a large text file I'm trying to import into a LyX
>> document, I run it through a converter like Linebreak
>> () to convert to
>> *nix linebreaks, and then import into LyX.
>> 

Stephen> Other Mac options for converting linebreaks with only a few
Stephen> clicks of the mouse are TexEdit Plus or TextWrangler, both
Stephen> freeware or shareware.

I really think LyX should be fixed to avoid this behaviour (although I
am not sure what the right fix is). You could maybe file a bug in
mozilla.

>>> PS -- Are there any plans to integrate LyX's paste function with
>>> the system-wide paste function? It sure would be nice to just type
>>> Cmd-V and have it actually paste the last thing I copied.
>>  I agree.

Stephen> Me too, but I'm guessing that it's a limitation of the QT/Mac
Stephen> interface and not LyX? For example, how would it handle the
Stephen> two concurrent clipboards that LyX maintains (one text and
Stephen> one inside math mode)?

No, this is really a shortcoming of LyX. LyX' internal clipboard
facilities should be made to communicate with the OS clipboard.

JMarc

Re: debug and command line stuff

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Geoffrey> Hi On many occasions when people have had problems with a
Geoffrey> Lyx setup the gurus have suggested running lyx from the
Geoffrey> command line using -dbg and then certain strings.

Geoffrey> I have had a poke about on the wiki but I can't find a list
Geoffrey> of possible commands. Is there anywhere an equivalent to
Geoffrey> *nix 'man lyx' so one could find out about the options.

Just type "lyx -dbg" (without debug string name) for the list. "lyx
-help" tells you that and a bit more.

JMarc

Re: [workaround] Re: relative paths & beamer & temp directory: possible?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Sven" == Sven Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Sven> Well I discovered a "todo" file in the official pgf-distribution
Sven> on ctan which says: "9) Honor \graphicspath command."

Sven> Is that the same thing?

Yes.

Jmarc

Re: change bars and lyx 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Jane" == Jane McKean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jane> Hi there: Thank you for the new release of LyX! I have two files
Jane> that incorporate change bars into the 1.3.6 release; a diff file
Jane> and a bzip file. We fixed a couple of bugs too. I tried to send
Jane> this email with both files attached and the file was bounced
Jane> back for being too large, then I tried just sending the diff
Jane> file with this email and that was bounced.

Hello Jane,

Thanks for porting this patch. 

At the end of the wiki page, in the section ``Downgrading 1.4 files to
1.3 files with change tracking enabled'', Jose' describes how to patch
lyx2lyx so that LyX 1.4 files with change tracking can be read in LyX
1.3.6 with the patch applied. We decided not to apply this change for
official lyx 1.3.6 for obvious reasons, but I think you should add
that to your patch.

JMarc

Re: Lyx crashes when hitting Help/Manual

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Jean-Marie" == Jean-Marie Pacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jean-Marie> Hi, I compiled Lyx 1.3.6 using the frontend xforms 1.0 on
Jean-Marie> my slackware 9.1 (./configure;make). I'm getting an error
Jean-Marie> crashing Lyx when I hit Aide/Manuel d'Apprentissage
Jean-Marie> (Help/Manual): BadValue (integer parameter out of range
Jean-Marie> for operation) id: 27263303

No, unfortunately :( This is a X protocol error which probably points
to an xforms bug... We had other reports about similar errors and
never were able to pinpoint them...

Is there a reason why you prefer the xforms frontend? Otherwise, you
can compile using --with-frontend=qt. Note that you may get a
compilation error that can be fixed by the following workaround:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg40655.html

JMarc

Re: Lyx crashes when hitting Help/Manual

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

>>>>> "Jean-Marie" == Jean-Marie Pacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jean-Marie> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit :
>> [...] Is there a reason why you prefer the xforms frontend?
>> 
Jean-Marie> I'm mostly using GTK/Gnome environment and I was trying to
Jean-Marie> avoid any QT stuff because of the extra load it will
Jean-Marie> require on memory (I may be wrong here... tell me).

I am not sure the overhead will be so large, since LyX is a pure Qt
application, not a KDE one. 

The Qt port is really nicer than the xforms one (but indeed a bit
slower). There is a gtk port in preparation, but I doubt it will be
ready for 1.4.0 (unless its author gets some help in converting
dialogs).

JMarc

Re: Lyx crashes when hitting Help/Manual

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rich> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> The Qt port is really nicer than the xforms one (but indeed a bit
>> slower).

Rich>OK, you got me here. How does one define "faster" and
Rich> "slower" with a text processing application? Seems to me the
Rich> computer is wasting cycles waiting for me to enter sequential
Rich> keystrokes, no matter how fast I am typing.

You take a slower computer, and try to see how responsive it is to
page up/down, selection, etc. I can tell you, unfortunately, that
currently LyX/Qt 1.4.0cvs feels really sluggish compared to lyx/xfoms.
But since we do not really know why, it is difficult to fix.

JMarc

Re: Lyx crashes when hitting Help/Manual

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Rich" == Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rich>Oh. Since I upgraded hardware almost two years ago (from a
Rich> PII/333MHz to Athlon XP+1700 and Athlon XP+2800), I assumed I
Rich> was the last to move from 7-year-old hardware.

Rich>I suspect that Qt seems sluggish because it's object oriented
Rich> and, therefore, large. I think that all OO apps will appear
Rich> sluggish on older hardware; they're not as tight and elegant as
Rich> straight C code running in a curses environment on the console.

Well, I mean sluggish as in "the selection drawing lags behind the
mouse on normal text on a Centrino 1.4G". This is due to the fact that
we do much more redrawing than in 1.3, but this does not harm on
xforms.


JMarc

Re: Multiple Document windows and unnumbered sections

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Georg> Stacia Hartleben wrote:
>> More newbie questions from me that might be a little easier this
>> time!
>> 
>> 1. I have found that upon opening multiple documents, I can't seem
>> to get the previous documents back, although it does ask me if I'd
>> like to save them before quitting.

Georg> Look in the Documents menu.

Since version 1.3.6, you can also use Ctrl-PageUp/Down to switch.

>> I'm used to windows programs having small little tabs or something
>> to switch between documents.

Georg> This is currently not implemented, but recorded as a feature
Georg> request: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1212

I guess it would fairly easy to add to at Least Qt, don't you think?

JMarc

Re: Any successes w/ LyX 1.3.6 for Windows 98SE

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Roy" == Roy Schestowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Roy> Quoting "William F. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> The install keeps crashing on me --- where should I send the crash
>> log?
>> 
>> Or should I give up until I'm running something made in this
>> century?

Roy> All I can contribute is the fact that I ran it successfully under
Roy> Windows 98 SE. have you tried re-installing? When I downloaded it
Roy> last (2+ years ago), it was from a small and obscure page
Roy> offering the Win32 port. I can't be sure if the build has been
Roy> updated since, but my bookmark points to:

Roy> http://wwwserv1.rz.fh-hannover.de/mbau/tim/hentschel/lyx/index.htm

It was something very different at the time. Now LyX runs as a native
windows application.

JMarc

Re: Renumbering Sections - How to keep WYSIWYM up to date?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Wil" == Wil Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wil> Hey all, I'm currently writing a study guide for a class, and
Wil> thus need to skip over some chapters in the book that are not
Wil> being covered in the class. I've found the
Wil> \setcounter{section}{...} command, and this works great for the
Wil> generated documents (post LaTeX). Unfortunately, Lyx (1.3.5) does
Wil> not appear to know how to parse the ERTs, which is not entirely
Wil> surprising, but it does get confusing when I'm looking at section
Wil> numbers in the Lyx editor that do not match up with the sections
Wil> in the book.

You can try to use the Comment layout, and nest in there the sections
you do not want to cover.

See the attached file for an example. It is not as nice as I would
like, but it works...

JMarc

#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass article
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme default
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default

\layout Comment

These are not there
\begin_deeper 
\layout Section

A section I will not cover
\layout Section

Another one
\end_deeper 
\layout Standard


\begin_inset ERT
status Open

\layout Standard

\backslash 
setcounter{section}{2}
\end_inset 


\layout Section

This one is covered
\the_end

Re: Any successes w/ LyX 1.3.6 for Windows 98SE

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "William" == William F Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

William> The install keeps crashing on me --- where should I send the
William> crash log? Or should I give up until I'm running something
William> made in this century?

You can try to send the crash log to lyx-devel. I do not know whether
we'll be able to don something with it, though. 

JMarc

Re: Math symbol not displayed in LyX-1.3.6 even after installing latex-xft-fonts

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "R" == R S Ananda Murthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

R> The fonts are installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF. After
R> installing this, I did

R> cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF cp fonts.dir fonts.dir.bak cp
R> fonts.scale fonts.scale.bak mkfontscale mkfontdir fc-cache xset fp
R> rehash

R> But even after doing this, math symbols are not displayed in
R> LyX-1.3.6. Any suggestions?

What does "fc-list |grep 10:" say?

Here I get 

fantomas[ssh]: fc-list|grep 10:
wasy10:style=Normal
cmex10:style=Medium
cmsy10:style=Medium
msam10:style=Medium
cmr10:style=Medium
msbm10:style=Medium
cmmi10:style=Medium

Is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts in your fontconfig search path?

JMarc

Re: patch change tracking for OS X

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Jordi" == Jordi Tritlla i Cambra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jordi> Hi lyxers, I would like to know if this patch is also possible
Jordi> to use in the aqua version (OS X) of Lyx

There is no reason why it would not work, I think. Of course, someone
has to compile it :)

JMarc

Re: Ubuntu debs for 1.3.6 available

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Richard" == Richard Kleeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Richard> I have compiled some debs for Ubuntu hoary using the third
Richard> version of the script kindly provided by the developers for
Richard> Debian on the wiki site. If anyone can tell me where to
Richard> upload them I would be grateful (the site mentioned on the
Richard> wiki ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming did not work. There are
Richard> four debs and a Ubuntu readme

Lars, it seems that ftp.devel.lyx.org does not work. Is it just me?

Richard, is there a place from where I can grab the files?

JMarc

Re: Using mla.sty in Lyx

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Wil" == Wil Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Wil> Hey all, I'm trying to use the MLA style downloaded from CTAN to
Wil> get the MLA stylings. There are a couple of issues I've found
Wil> with it, and I was hoping someone might have some ideas for how
Wil> to deal with it.

Wil>Both issues involve the Works Cited page. First, I need to
Wil> have the Works Cited section start on a new page, and second I
Wil> need it to be titled "Works Cited" instead of "References."

I see there is a mla-paper class. Doesn't do what you want?
http://www.tex.ac.uk/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/mla-paper.html

JMarc

Re: deb packages

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Karol" == Karol Szkudlarek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Karol> Hello! I prepared deb packages (sarge) of Lyx 1.3.6. I tried to
Karol> upload them on ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/

Karol> but ftp server said:

Karol> The remote file "lyx_1.3.6-0.lyx.org.3_all.deb" already exists.

We already have ubuntu packages in ftp.lyx.org. Are they compatible
with what plain debian?

JMarc

Re: Copy and paste between lyx windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "langev" == langev langev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

langev> Is there a way to copy and paste between separate instances of
langev> lyx running next to each other? I can use paste external
langev> selection, but that only works well for plain text. It is much
langev> easier for me to have both documents visible in separate
langev> windows than having them in the same window with one hidden. I
langev> am running 1.3.6 on Windows XP.

This unfortunately not possible. Sorry.

JMarc

[Alexander Crössmann] Lyx and aspell

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Alexander, please do not post on lyx-announce.

I forward your message where it belongs.

JMarc

--- Begin Message ---
Hi,

I am using Lyx 1.3.6 but either ispell nor aspell work. Both are
installed and the command \spell_command "aspell" in lyxcr.default is
set." \spell_command aspell " is set in lyxcr.example. I would prefer
aspell which is installed in C:\aspell

Many thanks in advance!

Alex

-- 


Dipl.-Psych. Alexander Crössmann
Lehrstuhl für Psychologie I
Universität Würzburg
Marcusstr. 9-11 / D-97070 Würzburg / Zimmer 118
Tel.: +49- (0) 931-31 2847 / Skype: psyalex
http://alexander.croessmann.org



--- End Message ---

Re: wasysym and LyX 1.3.6 for Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Milos" == Milos Komarcevic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Milos> Font U/wasy/m/n/10=wasy10 at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM)
Milos> file not found

If seems that you do not have the wasy fonts installed, or that MikTeX
cannot find them.

Milos> I understand this might be also a MikTeX bug since it works ok
Milos> on a Linux box, and .tfm files really are missing in MikTeX,
Milos> but it still beats me why the wasysym package should be loaded
Milos> after amsmath to redefine \int & co., shouldn't it be the other
Milos> way around? 

wasysym is loaded after amsmath because this avoids amsmath errors.

Milos> My thesis compilation worked ok without the wasysym package,
Milos> why is it forced upon us...

We have reverted this change in 1.3.7cvs, because people complained
that this changes the appearance of integral signs in a bad way. So
now wasysym is not loaded anymore when you use symbols that require
it.

JMarc

Re: Lyx 1.3.6 and Debian Sarge, something went wrong again

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Hello,

Note that we have sarge debs on ftp.lyx.org now (as well as Ubuntu).

Jmarc

Re: close footnote shortcut

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Declan" == Declan O'Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Declan> I'm not a great lover of the mouse. So, I open the footnote
Declan> box with Alt+i > f. Is there a keyboard method of closing that
Declan> box again, does anyone know?

Try Ctrl+I.

JMarc

Re: Lyx 1.3.6 and Debian Sarge, something went wrong again

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

>>>>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> Note that we have sarge debs on ftp.lyx.org now (as well as
>> Ubuntu).

Angus> I quite like the .deb way of calling stuff
Angus> lyx-FRONTEND_VERSION-FIXLEVEL.DIST_ARCH.deb although the '-',
Angus> '_' and '.' still appear rather ad hoc.

Angus> Anyway, ATM we have a rather eclectic collection of different
Angus> naming schemes. I wonder if we might settle on just one?

Sure, but I do not know whether the name matters for debian, and
whether regular debian user will be able to parse our file names and
feel at home with them.

Another solution, since all the files get mixed-up, would be to create
subdirectories sarge/ and ubuntu/

Re: 1.3.6-1 windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "treefox" == treefox  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

treefox> hello the new version has the desired function to remember
treefox> the window settings (position and size) when closing still
treefox> not implemented. is this to be done soon? 

We have a patch for that for 1.4.0cvs, but it has not been applied
yet. I guess it will eventually find its way in the sources, but we
have more pressing things to do right now :)

treefox> suggestion: checkbox in the preferences to save the window
treefox> settings when exiting, and a function to apply the current
treefox> window size and position as default.

I guess we will not use a preference for that.

JMarc

Re: Spell-checker doesn't recognize polish characters

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Jaroslaw" == Jaroslaw Protasiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jaroslaw> HI I'm using LyX version 1.3.6, Latin 2 encoding, Fedora
Jaroslaw> Core 3. I have problem with spell-checker in Lyx. It doesn't
Jaroslaw> recognize corectly words with polish characters. For istance
Jaroslaw> word "bałagan" is recognized as two different word "ba" and
Jaroslaw> "agan". I checked option "Use input encoding" but it doesn't
Jaroslaw> solve the problem. 

This is unfortunately a known problem, documented in bugzilla. There
is a bug open about it, but since bugzilla is down, I cannot give the
number. Our problem is that the heuristics we use to determine which
characters are potentially letters fails for latin2.

JMarc

Re: lyx could not get font

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Sabouret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Nicolas> Hi, I am using Debian with lyx 1.3.6 & xforms. When I open a
Nicolas> document with math symbols, I get a serie of "Could not get
Nicolas> font ..., using fixed". And as a matter of fact, the math
Nicolas> symbols are not displayed properly. This makes the edition of
Nicolas> such document a real pain.

Nicolas> I believe this is not really a lyx problem but it rather
Nicolas> comes from my distribution and fonts in tetex-extra that are
Nicolas> not fetched. However, I could not find any solution and lyx
Nicolas> is the only application that has this bug (xfontsel also
Nicolas> can't display the mentioned fonts). This is the reason why I
Nicolas> ask here for any clue that could help me solve this issue.

If your debien is fontconfig-based, you should install the fonts from 
  ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/contrib/latex-xft-fonts-0.1.tar.gz
in a place where fontconfig can find it.

JMarc

Re: Lyx Wiki's links do not work (?!)

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Gyorgy" == Gyorgy Pota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Gyorgy> Dear Users, Help! When I click on any links of the Lyx Wiki
Gyorgy> page (including those in the navigation table on the right)
Gyorgy> nothing happens. Only the opening page can bee seen.

Gyorgy> This is valid for both Firefox and Internet Explorer on the
Gyorgy> 2nd of September at 12.30.

Gyorgy> The webpage: http://wiki.lyx.org/

The lyx servers are in the process of being reinstalled currently. In
particular, the wiki, bugzilla and cvs access are broken.

What works now is mailing lists (hosted elsewhere), web sites, and
mail @lyx.org.

JMarc

Re: Keyboard shortcut for selecting paragraph styles / environments?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Paul" == Paul A Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> You can also select some (all?) environments with a keyboard
Paul> shortcut. Since the contents of the environment menu varies by
Paul> document class, unsurprisingly so do the shortcuts. Typing M-p-s
Paul> gets you the standard environment. Typing just M-p displays
Paul> (somewhat briefly) in the status line at the bottom of the
Paul> screen a list of possible completions of the sequence
Paul> (including, as noted above, M-p-space). Unfortunately, I don't
Paul> know of any visible "legend" for the shortcuts.

When you select a layout from the combox, the shortcut is shown in the
minibuffer.

JMarc

Re: Compiling LyX 1.3.6 with qt

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Luqman" == Luqman H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Luqman> thanks it works... i'm just have tobe patient for very long
Luqman> compiling.. btw, is it a bug? or it only happen to my
Luqman> machine..?

By default, Qt has some compatibility code between its own strings
(QString) and C++ standard strings (std::string). Some linux
distributions chose to disable this code (which is not a bad idea),
and this produces compilation errors. We now build LyX without the
compatibility code enabled, so that the problem should not happen
again.

JMarc

Re: Spellchecker - possible bug??

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Lloyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Geoffrey> Hi When using the spell checker with words in quotation
Geoffrey> marks it always flags up the last word as incorrectly spelt

Geoffrey> e.g. Here is a "good sentence" with quotes.

Geoffrey> it will flag up <>

Geoffrey> Is this a bug or just the fact that, possibly rightly, it
Geoffrey> doesn't like the use of quotes in standard text.

Geoffrey> BTW the quotes are entered using two ' marks rather than "
Geoffrey> directly.

We always consider ' as being part of a word for spell-checking. We
should improve that by ignoring ' when it is at the beginning/end of a
word. This is on my virtual todo list.

JMarc

Re: suppressing the use of amsmath package with kyx 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Micha" == Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Micha> Is it possible to suppress the use of the amsmath package with
Micha> lyx 1.3.6 even when relevant commands such as split are used?

Micha> I have a problem that when using amsmath and hebrew in the same
Micha> document. babel has to be used before amsmath or else the split
Micha> environment can not be used. 

Unfortunately, it is difficult to work around this problem, since it
happens only with hebrew. Loading amsmath after babel will probably
create problems with packages that have to be loaded after amsmath...

In LyX 1.4.0, it will be possible to avoid loading of amsmath altogether.

Micha> Lyx 1.3.4 didn't try to be too smart and didn't include amsmath
Micha> if the amsmath checkbox wasn't checked. 

It already had such code for some ams constructs. What we did in 1.3.6
was to add the array constructs that had been forgotten previously.

Micha> Lyx 1.3.6 tries to be smart but includes things in the wrong
Micha> order which makes it impossible to compile the document without
Micha> messing with the tex file directly.
 
In an ideal world, it would be up to babel/hebrew and amsmath authors
to solve the problem. I found some messages from you at the linux-il
mailing list about this problem. Could you summarize what the
situation and prospects are? 

JMarc

Re: LyX doesn't store my PDF viewer info

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> Stephen P. Harris wrote:
>> My viewer has this path, C:\reader7\Reader\AcroRd32.exe Yours is
>> probably in F:\program files\adobe etc So try using the full path
>> name including the drive letter.

Angus> You should consider using the "path_prefix" variable to modify
Angus> the PATH environment variable used by LyX so that it can "just
Angus> find" AcroRd32.exe in the PATH.

Angus> The variable can be set from the Edit->Preferences dialog,
Angus> Paths pane or by editing the preferences file directly.

What using "start" as a viewer, with the appropriate options? I really
think most windows viewers should be just that.

JMarc

Re: LyX doesn't store my PDF viewer info

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Mark" == Mark Engelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Mark> I am using the full path name. When I set the preferences file
Mark> to: "F:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\acrord32.exe"
Mark> then everything works for the duration of that LyX session.

Mark> But when I exit the program, and reenter the program, no viewer
Mark> is listed when I select "Edit->Preferences" and look under PDF.
Mark> However, the viewer IS listed in the actual preferences file.
Mark> For some reason, LyX is failing to load this preference from the
Mark> file.

The problem is that the name will be saved as something like
\viewer ""F:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\acrord32.exe""
which means that the " quotes are not parsed correctly. We should
escape these values.

JMarc

Re: Problems installing 1.3.6-1 RPMs

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Peter" == Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Peter> Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>> Sorry, my wording was fuzzy. I don't have a working Linux box handy
>> these days, but I assume that LyX runs with the permissions of
>> whatever user is logged in. So if you can run latex directly,
>> presumably when you run the LyX configure script it has the same
>> permissions.

Peter> Actually the other way round: RPMs *have* to be installed as
Peter> root, and the configure script is built into the RPM, so it
Peter> automatically executes *as root* immediately after unpacking
Peter> LyX...the user doesn't enter into this at all.

Yes, this is a problem. Actually, I think that we could get rid of
this configure script invocation at install time, but I have to test
it a bit more carefully.

Peter> This is madness. All it has to do is a `which kpsewhich` to
Peter> find out if a local installation of TeX exists or not. *Then*
Peter> it can test the version of LaTeX identified, and see if it
Peter> works, and only go hunting for latex binaries as a last resort.

Well, to my defense, I will say that things were a bit different when
I wrote this code long long ago :) Are we now in a situation where
_all_ worthy TeX installations rely on kpathsea?

Peter> Absolutely. Some people have truly the weirdest stuff on their
Peter> systems. But it's a better plan to search for a working version
Peter> first, and only go looking for a better one if the first one
Peter> turns out to be a lemon.

I am not sure yet what I want to do. If I have my own "latex" wrapper
in my PATH, I would not want LyX to try to be clever and use the real
latex instead.

JMarc

Re: Problems installing 1.3.6-1 RPMs

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Peter" == Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Peter> Even money says that the install script is hard-wired to look
Peter> in wherever RH's tetex puts the texhash (and doubtless
Peter> kpsewhich) binary, instead of relying on the path to pick up
Peter> the right one. No matter, all is now serene.

This is not the case actually. However, I suspect that rpm, when
building the .rpm file, replaces calls to texhash with absolute paths
to where the command was found. So there is not much we can do about
it.

JMarc

Re: OT: tetex RPMs (was: Re: Problems installing 1.3.6-1 RPMs

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Stephen" == Stephen P Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> My apologies. I hadn't realised I was expected to read all your
>> mails as they arrived.
>> 

Stephen> You are not when you act as a contributor to the mailing
Stephen> list. However, Angus wrote: > Stephen, cool it please.

Stephen> That statement is easily seen as one of moral censure.
Stephen> Moderators who make such statements are obligated to read the
Stephen> entire thread. Non-moderators can also express their opinions
Stephen> and they are free to do so, no matter how ignorant they are
Stephen> of the circumstances. Certainly reminds me of Peter Flynn.

I get it: you generate your messages with the automatic insult letter
generator! Could you give me the URL please? The one I had does not
work anymore...

JMarc

PS: Cool it, please.

Re: OT: tetex RPMs (was: Re: Problems installing 1.3.6-1 RPMs

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Stephen" == Stephen P Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stephen> Unfortunately, I think it is more likely that you forgot it.
Stephen> Do as I say, not as I do.

Let's forget about it, then :)

The points that interest me in that discussion are:

- the fact that the tetex rpms might not be of very good quality on
  RH. This is not an anathema, AFAIK. Actually, I think P. Flynn knows
  more about (La)TeX that anyone else I know on this list (Herbert
  Voss excepted, maybe; I am going to piss of the other TeXnicians
  I forgot...), and his thoughts about this are appreciated.

- we should try to build LyX in a way that allows for changing TeX
  distributions as easily as possible. In particularly, people who
  want to use the TeX Collection distribution should be able to do so
  with minimal hassle.

- the code that searches for a latex executable was written by me at a
  time where LaTeX 2.09 was not uncommon. I can accept the fact that
  it is now completely inadequate.

- the fact that configure is run at install time (and thus as root as
  Peter points out) is indeed a problem. It causes griefs to the
  windows installer too. I'll try to remove this for 1.4.1.

Discussions about moral censure and ethics are an unneeded distraction
in this context.

JMarc

Re: lyx/windows installation

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bo> 2. If cygwin can not be used, can we use just perl or python?
Bo> Afterall, both languages are powerful and one can supposedly do
Bo> whatever another language can do.

Currently, we use:

* sh for the configure script. It would be nice to rewrite it in
  python, but nobody is brave enough to do it

* perl for reLyX. reLyX is dying (replaced by C++ tex2lyx) in
  1.4.0cvs. It is even possible to grab a version of tex2lyx usable
  with 1.3.6.

* python for lyx2lyx.

So, we are getting rid of perl, but sh (and the unix utilities it
requires) is still here.

JMarc

Re: lyx/windows installation

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> * sh for the configure script. It would be nice to rewrite it in
>> python, but nobody is brave enough to do it

Bo> It is not terribly long (1600 lines) and most of the code are
Bo> simple test/if/else that can be replaced by equivalent Python
Bo> code. I am not saying that I can do the translation any time soon,
Bo> but will you (lyx-devel) test and accept such a translated code
Bo> once it is completed? Also, do you have any improvement in mind so
Bo> that I can add it in?

This would be very welcome. I think the problem of handling viewers is
disconnected from this translation, so you should not care about it
for now.

JMarc

Re: how to insert optional arguments?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David Soukal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Hello, I started to write a presentation in LyX using the
David> Beamer document class. Everythings seems to be working perfect.
David> Only, I wasn't able to figure out how to insert an optional
David> argument for some of the environments (like Date). When I open
David> the LyX demo files that came with Beamer, most of them have the
David> optional arguments but I am unable to create them in my
David> presentation. The optional arguments look like ERT boxes except
David> their tab says "opt"...

David> So far I managed by copying the opt-boxes from the demo file
David> but I was wondering how they were inserted in the demos.

Use Insert>Short Title. I know the name is not very helpful, but we
have not been able to come up with something better.

JMarc

Re: how to insert optional arguments?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David Soukal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> I have one more question regarind the OPT boxes. I don't know
David> whether it's a bug or whether I missed something, but I cannot
David> insert the OPT box for environments where it should be
David> possible. For example, the author of Beamer recommends to enter
David> an optional argument "fragile" for the frame environment in
David> situations when the frame contains verbatim text. I didn't
David> manage to get OPT for the BeginFrame environment in LyX.

This can be specified in the beamer.layout file.

JMarc

Re: how to insert optional arguments?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul A Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Paul> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> Use Insert>Short Title. I know the name is not very helpful, but we
>> have not been able to come up with something better. JMarc

Paul> I had no idea that worked. (I'd assumed that it literally
Paul> inserted *only* the optional short version of a title.) How
Paul> about Insert-> Option or Insert->Optional argument? Those are
Paul> sufficiently obvious that I suspect they were considered and
Paul> rejected for some reason.

Well, the idea was that we wanted to use that for sections and
captions, where short title made perfect sense. Optional argument only
makes sense if one understands the underlying LaTeX code.

Ideally, we should be able to set the string in the layout file, but
we are not quite ready for that.

JMarc

Re: Sid packages of Lyx 1.3.6

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Charles> Following the g++ ABI transition on Debian unstable (sid),
Charles> LyX cannot be installed and the Debian Lyx packagers don't
Charles> seem to be very reactive. Therefore, I've uploaded homemade
Charles> packages for i386 and Amd64 in ftp://ftp.lyx.org/incoming/sid

Thanks. Unfortunately, I cannot read anything from there. the
/incoming directory is outside my jurisdiction (it is the incoming/ of
ftp.via.ecp.fr). You should be able to upload to
ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming (or just give me a palce from where I
can grab everything).

Charles> By the way, ftp://ftp.lyx.org/incoming/ is full of junk
Charles> (copyrighted movies) that should be deleted.

I saw that too. Not much I can do, though.

JMarc

Re: Menu and menubar fonts -- for lyx-qt

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David L Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Sorry to jump in with a newbie question. I'm not really a
David> newbie, really... But, I just got lyx-qt running on my Zaurus
David> (pda), and want to shrink the menu font considerably. I don't
David> see where to add such a setting, or how to do it. Screen fonts
David> I can handle, as well as including/excluding menu items. But I
David> have a small screen, so need to minimize the font sizes.

I would try qtconfig.

David> Oh, and to those who have been working on Lyx for a long time,
David> who may remember me, greetings. Sorry to have faded away, but
David> my skills were of little consequence to this effort, and my
David> attention went elsewhere. I still love the program, though, and
David> am glad to see development continue.

It is nice to hear from you again David. I am glad to see you did not
forget about LyX. 

JMarc

Re: From the ashes www.lyx.org/devel (formely www.devel.lyx.org)

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kayvan" == Kayvan A Sylvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kayvan> On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 04:15:22PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Kayvan> wrote:
>> Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> | > Please tell about broken links etc. (especially internal links,
>> or | > links that make mirroring harder than necessary)
>> | > 
>> | 
>> | please update the cvs information.
>> | 
>> | /cvs/lyx, no such repository.

Kayvan> It should now be /var/cvs/lyx

Is the information correct now?

JMarc

Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Georg> Daniel Watkins wrote:
>> The word was 'foo'\InsetSpace \thinspace{}

Georg> This is 1.4. There is no small space in 1.3, you have to use
Georg> ERT.

And what about a ligature break?

JMarc

Re: some observations about lyx1.4pre2

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Maarten" == Sanders, Maarten (M J L ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maarten> 2) I did an open, modify and save from my previous docs, a
Maarten> master doc with several input's (this converts to the new
Maarten> format?). Using lyx2lyx warns:
 
Maarten> warning: malformed lyx file: missing 'collapsed' warning:
Maarten> malformed lyx file: missing 'wide'

Did you report this bug? A test docuemnt would help.
 
JMarc

Re: No line break after paragraph heading

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Christoph" == Christoph Mathys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Christoph> Paragraph heading Paragraph content ...

Christoph> If I look at the dvi or the pdf output the linebreak
Christoph> between heading and content is gone, it looks roughly like
Christoph> the following:

Christoph> Paragraph heading paragraph content ...

a Paragraph is a special case of section heading that has the
behaviour you describe. It is the child of subsubsection.

If its behaviour does not suit you, you should probably use something
else. What do you want to do?

JMarc

Re: No line break after paragraph heading

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Christoph" == Christoph Mathys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Christoph> What I'd need is a sub-subsubsection and I thought that is
Christoph> a paragraph. I want a title diffrent from
Christoph> Section/Subsection/Subsubsection (a level 4 title if one
Christoph> can call it like that). Of course the title should be above
Christoph> the text it belongs to. Hope I you know what I mean :).

OK, so you use Paragraph in the right way...

I do not know of a solution with the standard classes, but I am sure
there are classes that do what you want.

Or you may want to try something like
\usepackage{titlesec}
\titleformat{\paragraph}{\normalfont\normalsize\bfseries}{\theparagraph}{1em}{}

JMarc

Re: lyx-gtk compilation error

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Luca" == Luca Nicotra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Luca> Ok, sorry for bothering ... my fault ... it should have been
Luca> --with-frontend="xforms gtk"

Or simply --with-frontend="gtk". xforms is added automatically.

JMarc

Re: Faulty Latex generated by LyX ?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Charles" == Charles de Miramon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Charles> I'll paste a very simple example below. The LaTeX below
Charles> compiles but the 'First Paragraph' is not correctly indented.
Charles> The solution is to insert an empty line between
Charles> \end{quotation} and First paragraph to force LaTeX understand
Charles> that it must create a new paragraph after the end of the
Charles> quotation. I was wondering why Lyx is not generating this
Charles> empty line after quotation, quote, itemize, enumerate
Charles> environments ?

It is a bug, but I am not sure it is in bugzilla yet. What is
especially stupid is that the empty line before \begin{quotation} is
here... Ideally, it should be possible to have the two behaviours in
LyX (separate paragraphs or not).

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Ingar" == Ingar Pareliussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ingar> As a translator I have to say that the number of toolkits
Ingar> increase the amount of work for the translators as well.
Ingar> Different toolsets have different ways to specify shortcuts and
Ingar> each have to be translated manually.

Note we could make an effort to change this: use the &shortcut
notation everywhere and avoid gratuitous differences between
frontends.

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "William" == William F Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I have (almost) finshed the translation of Qt strings. It would be
>> useful, If I could reuse all of them, without doublecating thoose
>> strings.

William> This is one of the things one could get ``for free'' w/ a
William> move to NeXT/OPEN/GNUstep/Cocoa, since it has a facility for
William> dealing with this.

Dealing with what?

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Angus> It doesn't actually make anybody's life easier because the
Angus> different frontends do actually have subtly different dialogs
Angus> and messages.

I suspect 50% of the strings would turn out to be common.

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Alex" == Alex  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alex> Why? The GUI indepence means same content, different look. Isn't
Alex> it?

The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the dialogs
as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or text.

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>  The idea is that each frontend author is free to implement the
>> dialogs as he wants. There is no contraint on their layout and/or
>> text.

Martin> But that's a bug, not a feature, right? We _should_ strive for
Martin> uniformity.

I think we should, but at that time the Qt frontend authors did not
want to have their hands bound by how the xforms frontend works.

JMarc

Re: Version Control and multipart documents

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David Wolfson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Having registered a document, if I load it from the master it
David> is locked, but has no version history, and cannot be unlocked
David> from lyx. I'm guessing this is something to do with where rcs
David> logs the changes, but I can't see any relevant looking 'rcs'
David> file/folder.

Would that be bug 1744?
http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1744

I know someone proposed a fix, but I lost it...

JMarc

Re: Version Control and multipart documents

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David Wolfson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> Yes, it would appear that it is. Sorry, bugzilla's not in my
David> mental list of 'places to look for help'.

That's understandable. Thanks for confirming that it is not yet
another issue.

>> I know someone proposed a fix, but I lost it...
David> There's no indication of a fix on there, but I've never delved
David> into bugzilla so don't really know what the setup is.

I know the fix is not there! I just saw it in a mail somewhere at
some point :)

I'll try to have a look.

JMarc

Re: OT?:dynamic typography and references

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "William" == William F Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

William> There was some interesting discussion a while back here about
William> attempting better support for Peter Wilson's memoir class &c.
William> Certainly if you've not read his manual for it you should. I
William> list it and some other free texts on typography at:

William> http://members.aol.com/willadams/books-free-type.html

Very interesting age, thanks. BTW, the link for
fontinstallationguide.pdf is wrong, it seems that the file has been
moved.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Herbert> Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX
Herbert> system and try to run LyX ... ;-)

You are supposed to be able to edit files without LaTeX installed. If
it does not work, there is a bug.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "David" == David L Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find
David> being able to install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX
David> is a good option. On my Zaurus, there is not only not enough
David> room for TeX, there is no direct printer access, so just being
David> able to edit documents, then move them to another computer to
David> print, is fine. IMO there should be the option of using LyX
David> without TeX.

I tried to do what is needed to make that work. If it does not work,
complain.

JMarc

Re: lyxwininstall 0.4 doesn't detect my M iktex settings

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Stephen" == Stephen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Stephen> Isn't there a browse symbol, .. that lets you navigate to the
Stephen> proper directory for latex.exe in the Angus 1.3.6 installer?
Stephen> When it asks for the Miktex directory during installation.

An idea to guess where the latex installation is would be to look up
whether there is an entry for dvi files in the registry and use the
directory where the dvi viewer is as a start.

JMarc

Re: Configuring toolbars to deal with layouts

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Ernesto" == Ernesto Posse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ernesto> I have a couple of questions about customizing the toolbar:
Ernesto> 1) Is there a lyx function that applies layouts
Ernesto> (environments) to a selection or to the current paragraph,
Ernesto> which can be used by a (custom) toolbar button? (I didn't
Ernesto> find any)

Sure, it is called "layout". We even have proper icons for "layout
Section" and "layout LyX-Code". You can add your own icons by
providing a file layout_foo.xpm for layout "foo".

Ernesto> 2) Are there keyboard shortcuts for layouts (environments)?
Ernesto> Where would I find those?

In LYXDIR/bind/menus.bind. I append the list for your reading pleasure.

Note also that when you select a layout from the layout box, you will
see the corresponding keyboard shortcut in the minibuffer (the same
holds for menu entries and icons).

JMarc

#
# Paragraph style menu
#

\bind "M-p ~S-0""layout Part" 
\bind "M-p ~S-1""layout Chapter" 
\bind "M-p ~S-2""layout Section" 
\bind "M-p ~S-3""layout Subsection"  
\bind "M-p ~S-4""layout Subsubsection"
\bind "M-p ~S-5""layout Paragraph"
\bind "M-p ~S-6""layout Subparagraph"
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-0""layout Part*" 
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-1""layout Chapter*" 
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-2""layout Section*" 
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-3""layout Subsection*"  
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-4""layout Subsubsection*"
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-5""layout Paragraph*"
\bind "M-p ~S-asterisk ~S-6""layout Subparagraph*"
\bind "M-p a"   "layout Abstract"
\bind "M-p S-A" "layout Author"
\bind "M-p M-a" "layout Address"
\bind "M-p C-a" "layout Right_Address"
\bind "M-p b"   "layout Itemize"# bulleted list
\bind "M-p S-B" "layout Bibliography"
\bind "M-p c"   "layout LyX-Code"
\bind "M-p S-C" "layout Comment"
\bind "M-p M-c" "layout Caption"
\bind "M-p d"   "layout Description"
\bind "M-p S-D" "layout Date"
\bind "M-p e"   "layout Enumerate"  # numbered list
\bind "M-p f"   "layout ShortFoilhead"  # Foils!!
\bind "M-p S-F" "layout Foilhead"   # Foils!!
\bind "M-p i"   "layout Itemize"# bulleted list
\bind "M-p l"   "layout List"
\bind "M-p S-L" "layout LaTeX"
\bind "M-p n"   "layout Enumerate"  # numbered list
\bind "M-p q"   "layout Quote"
\bind "M-p S-Q" "layout Quotation"
\bind "M-p r"   "layout ShortRotatefoilhead"# Foils!!
\bind "M-p S-R" "layout Rotatefoilhead" # Foils!!
\bind "M-p s"   "layout Standard"
\bind "M-p t"   "layout Title"
\bind "M-p space"   "drop-layouts-choice"
\bind "M-p v"   "layout Verse"

Re: lyxwin136-small-04 and instant preview

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "H" == H Peter Gumm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

H> - Generating pdf-files, one obtains rather ugly bit-mapped fonts,
H> until one finds the trick (in the FAQs) of changing the fonts size
H> to "ae" in Document->Layout. Why not making this the default from
H> the beginning ?

Note that the bit-mapped fonts loose much of their ugliness when using
adobe reader 6/7.

H>   = each C-d starts a new instance of Yap. This means that each
H> time I have to adapt Yap again by enlarging fonts, etc.

What about S-C-d to just update dvi?

JMarc

Re: Configuring toolbars to deal with layouts

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Ernesto" == Ernesto Posse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ernesto> There is not such icon in the standard lyx images directory,
Ernesto> so I created my own references-insert.xpm and put it in my
Ernesto> .lyx/images directory, but LyX still doesn't find it.

If this is really the name of the file, you made a typo (extra 's').

JMarc

Re: [LyX] translation of ... [again]

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Alex" == Alex  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Alex> Dear list, I doing some correcting in the introduction. Once, I
Alex> found that I cannot render the document anymore.

What error do you get?

JMarc

Re: \xrightarrow

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Uwe> Herbert Voss schrieb:
>> When I insert in mathed
Uwe>   \xrighterror ;-)
>> amsmath is not enabled by default in LyX 1.3.5 is it fixed in 1.3.6
>> ?

Uwe> No, also not in LyX 1.3.7CVS.

If you create a bug report, I'll fix it for 1.4.1.

JMarc

Re: Textclass Loading Error!

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Martin" == Martin A Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Martin> Encountered one unknown token When reading 

Martin> the above happens when i try to open my lyxfile.

Martin> an errorbox in the document contains this:

Martin> Unknown token: \screen_font_roman \author "Martin A. Hansen"

This \author thing only appears with change tracking enabled. Did you
apply the c.t. patch to 1.3.6?

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Helge> _Editing_ with lyx 1.4 is fine, except from the occational bug.
Helge> The startup time is not - it has definitely regressed, and I
Helge> wonder if it has to be that way. What could lyx be up to
Helge> _before_ l�oading documents?

Helge,

I tried to profile the startup time and guess where the time goes, but
did not see anything notable. It is weird.

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Lars> I also tried to do some profiling on this, but failed to get
Lars> anything to pinpoint. Also on my box startup times are not bad
Lars> at all... (sub-second)

I clearly see a difference between 1.3.x and 1.4.x, but the times are
reasonably short.

JMarc

Re: Forget Windows

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Helge" == Helge Hafting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Helge> The test method is to run time lyx while clicking the mouse
Helge> fast in the place where the closing button is going to appear.
Helge> Repeated clicks are used so my reaction time won't affect the
Helge> result. I barely see the main window, it is removed as soon as
Helge> it appears.

You can try also "lyx -x lyx-quit"

Helge> Is there some sort of profiling I could try?

Try to run lyx with option "-dbg init" and see whether there is a long
time between two particular messages.

JMarc

Re: Empty subsections - View/Export weirdness

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "André" == Bonhôte, André <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

André> Hi! I don't really think this is something about LyX, rather a
André> LaTeX issue IMHO. I have a document containing some sections
André> and a huge number of subsections in each, all empty (it's going
André> to be a database documentation - filling in will need some
André> time). Now, exporting to PDF and DVI shows the section and the
André> first n rows of subsections, but it does not wrap the page. It
André> rather runs over the footer and continues to write on the desk
André> ;-)

This is a LaTeX bug/feature (a section is not supposed to be alone at
the bottom of a page). 

JMarc

Re: scalable braces in math mode

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Nusret" == Nusret BALCI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Nusret> \bind "M-m ~C-~M-~S-braceleft" "math-delim { }"

Nusret> That's a problem at least if your keyboard is a cheap standard
Nusret> one like mine (In fact, I don't even have an AltGr key,
Nusret> instead I use Ctrl+Alt when needed). It is like turning on
Nusret> caps lock, and then pressing Shift+A to obtain 'A' :). After I
Nusret> change it to the following:

Nusret> \bind "M-m ~C-~M-~S-bracketleft" "math-delim { }"

Nusret> everything works alright.

Nusret> Do you have any idea what those ~'s stand for though?

They mean "do not look at those modifiers". So basically, anything
that leads to a braceleft "{" character should be OK. I am surprised that
you would have to use a bracketleft "[".

JMarc

Re: scalable braces in math mode

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Nusret" == Nusret BALCI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Nusret> I use sciword binding file. It supposedly includes the
Nusret> math.bind file which contains the binding you mentioned (but
Nusret> without AltGr). However it didn't work. I tried to find the
Nusret> reason and noticed that there is a typo in sciword.bind file:
Nusret> it inclued "maths.bind" file (which doesn't exist) instead of
Nusret> "math.bind".

It is a typo indeed. I just fixed it.

Thanks.

JMarc

Re: I lost a very useful feature

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Why do you want to have Section*?
For the numbering?

JMarc

Re: Footnotes in tables

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "André" == Bonhôte, André <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

André> Hi! Just tried to enter a footnote inside a table which sits
André> inside a float. Converting it to any format shows the footnote
André> number, but not the text.

André> I vaguely remember that it was a big hack in LaTeX, but after
André> that hack, the table footnotes were labeled from a) to z) and
André> the text was placed right below the table, inside the float.

You should put the table itself inside a minipage.

JMarc

Re: Branch definition in .layout file

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Maarten" == Sanders, Maarten (M J L ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maarten> That was 'send' too fast: Let me make it more clear: is it
Maarten> possible to put (not use) a branch definition in a .layout
Maarten> file. Or, otherwise, can I create I file which I import in a
Maarten> document so that the branches are visible in the master
Maarten> document AND in all child documents?

You can do that with a template, or by using 'Save as Document
defaults" in Document>Settings...

JMarc

Re: Branch definition in .layout file

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Maarten" == Sanders, Maarten (M J L ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Maarten> That is true, But we have 'organic' documentation so in time
Maarten> -thus after the document is in use- the number of branches
Maarten> may grow. Then I still would like to keep the available
Maarten> branches in sync over a range of documents.

I see what you mean. Unfortunately, it is not possible currently.

JMarc

Re: [announce] sixth release of LyXWinInstaller

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Bo" == Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I just published the version 0.6 of the LyX installer for Windows.
Bo> Just tried the complete version of the installer on a fresh winXP
Bo> VM: installation goes fine and everything works as expected. Thank
Bo> you for the great work!

Bo> I think this installer is ready to go public or even become
Bo> official. Would you add the link to lyx/wiki, for example,
Bo> http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX136? It will be good if you can
Bo> upload the installers to ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.3.7/ .

As Angus pointed out, the installer will go official when 1.3.7 goes
official.

Anyway you guys have to decide whether the two installers are kept (I
guess it makes sense, but somebody has to volunteer to maintain them)
hand to agree on a naming scheme for them (in order to avoid
confusion).

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.4.0pre3 on MacOSX - first impressions

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Anders" == Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anders> - TeX shortcuts (i.e. \alpha or \over) do not work in the
Anders> formula environment 

Could you be more precise? What do you do? 

I am not sure that \over is supposed to be supported, BTW (use \frac).

Anders> - "New from Template..." gives a Open dialogue in the
Anders> /Applications directory. Templates are in the (hidden)
Anders> LyX-package and difficult to access from this Open-dialogue 

This is strange. Bennett, do you see this too?

Anders> - Window settings are not preserved between sessions 

Anders> - In some cases (for example an italic N, a large Delta, but
Anders> not for example for a W) formula-symbols appear as lowered
Anders> when instant preview is used. They print fine though. 

Known problems.

Anders> - Using the cv-template and headings in the
Anders> Bibliography-section causes extra lines to be inserted. See
Anders> http://homepage.mac.com/anek/Download/cv.pdf for an example
Anders> (this may perhaps be a template/LaTex- problem).

This is indeed very weird. Could you send a small file that exhibits
the problem?

JMarc

Re: LyX 1.4.0pre3 on MacOSX - first impressions

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Anders" == Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anders> I attach the LyX-file I use. Let me know if you need any more
Anders> info. 

It is perfect. Try this updated cv.layout.

JMarc

PS: I notice that the bibliography does not look right at all in
twocolumn mode. I will probably change cv.cls in the future to use
0.2\columnwidth instead of 0.2\textwidth as spacing.



cv.layout
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Re: LyX 1.4.0pre3 on MacOSX - first impressions

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Anders" == Anders Ekberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Anders> I tried to make such a modification. The running text looks
Anders> better, however the references look rather strange with very
Anders> large spacing between reference number and reference text. An
Anders> example posted at:
Anders> http://homepage.mac.com/anek/Download/cv_mod.pdf I guess it
Anders> should be possible to shift the position of the markers,
Anders> unfortunately I don't know enough LaTeX to say how straight
Anders> away...

Are you sure you did not mix the two cases? This change should make
the margin smaller, not larger...

What would be nice it to have the [XX] label right-aligned instead of
left-aligned. I did not find how to do that at the time.

JMarc

Re: reversing insert->note

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kevin> Ray Jackson writes:
>> I've found that I can omit a question by selecting it with the
>> mouse and then clicking Insert->Note in the menu bar. The question
>> will no longer appear in the output file as it is now a LyX note.
>> The problem is that I can't seem to reverse the process so the
>> question is available again for later. Does anyone have a solution?

Concerning notes, the branch feature of LyX 1.4 will do what you want
and more.

Kevin> That might be a nice feature. I know it was very helpful to me
Kevin> that one could do the same with text going into a footnote; I
Kevin> imagine that a reverse step with footnotes might also be useful
Kevin> (perhaps via right-mouse clicking on the note?).

This was the so-called 'melt' feature, which is gone now. I think it
is going to come back at some time in 1.4.x.

JMarc

Re: right-clicking on the "index" button??

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Does this really work? Right-clicking is not doing anything for
>> me...

Kevin> Could someone simply confirm whether this does or does not work
Kevin> as advertised (in 1.3.5)?

Letf or right clicking brings the index dialog here on LyX 1.3.3 and
1.3.7cvs.

JMarc

Re: right-clicking on the "index" button??

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Letf or right clicking brings the index dialog here on LyX 1.3.3
>> and 1.3.7cvs.

Kevin> When I add an index list via the "Insert --> Lists & TOC" menu
Kevin> I get a white box with the word "Index" in it. No amount of
Kevin> clicking of any kind, anywhere around it brings up a dialogue
Kevin> window. I also see no reference to makeindex in my Preferences
Kevin> menu. But the indexing works fine.

This inset is indeed not editable, and that's why it is not shown as a
3d button.

The index entries are editable though.

Kevin> Is the index dialogue accessible otherwise -- or does anyone
Kevin> have any idea what might not be working? I'm already using a
Kevin> separate script to intercept the call to makeindex, so perhaps
Kevin> it is not that important, but it's of course frustrating when
Kevin> something doesn't seem to work and one can't figure out why.

The part of the documentation you are referring to concerns the index
entries and are not relevant to running makeindex. 

What are you trying to do?

JMarc

Re: right-clicking on the "index" button??

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Kevin> I wanted to change how makeindex is called by LyX (perhaps in
Kevin> 1.4 this is configurable in the preferences), but I found a
Kevin> wrapper script to do this already.

Yes, in 1.4 you can change this in prefs.

JMarc