Other in Menu

[Eric Bradshaw]

I've noticed in both a fresh 15.04 install and an upgrade from 14.10 that XTerm 
and UXTerm have been placed in a menu category I haven't seen before called 
"Other." I've easily moved these by changing their shortcuts, but my own custom 
menu category/ies no longer appear - they are now lumped into "Other" as well 
and I've not yet been able to figure out how to correct this. Anyone know what 
changed?

Eric Bradshaw

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Re: Other in Menu

[Istimsak Abdulbasir]

Nothing that I know of. This menu category as always been part of lubuntu.
Good thing you were a Le to customize it.
On May 11, 2015 9:40 AM, "Eric Bradshaw" <
ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:

> I've noticed in both a fresh 15.04 install and an upgrade from 14.10 that
> XTerm and UXTerm have been placed in a menu category I haven't seen before
> called "Other." I've easily moved these by changing their shortcuts, but my
> own custom menu category/ies no longer appear - they are now lumped into
> "Other" as well and I've not yet been able to figure out how to correct
> this. Anyone know what changed?
>
> Eric Bradshaw
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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Fritz Hudnut]

Folks:

Just a little follow-up on the installer issue(s) . . . tried to watch the
recent Hangouts on the installer on the world Ubuntu meeting, but didn't
seem to be on point and at that time I hadn't tried to run an install.
Over the weekend I tried to install two flavors from desktop image burned
to DVD on my iBook G4 . . . first it was Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that I had
burned and I believe I installed and from memory downloaded in February.

I followed my usual style of selecting "something else" from the choice as
I run a dual boot, set up a 10 MB "new world boot" partition, 12 GB
formatted "ext4"  . . . and 2x RAM at 1380MB for swap . . . ran through the
usual ID & password stuff . . . and the installer opened and started with
"saving files xxx" . . . .  15 minutes later it was "still doing that"
which ordinarily the install should be finishing or almost.  Checked
GParted, boot partition showed 9MB installed, and ext4 showed 322MB . . .
  Deleted the partitions and tried again . . . same thing . . . .  So I
assumed that somehow the Lubuntu installer issues that have been discussed
here had "migrated" into my burned DVD by magic . . . so I went on to try
for a Ubuntu-MATE 15 iso . . . many downloads later I had a correct
checksum number and burned it to DVD.

The next day, yesterday I went for the install, this time I noticed that
when I set up the Newworld boot it was flagged as "/" . . . and I also
flagged the ext4 partition as "/" as I usual do for prior successful
installs . . . running the install brought the same "saving copies" . . .
with the same 9MB in newworld and 322MB showing as "used" . . . sensing a
pattern I tried to delete the newworld partition, but, it would not run w/o
it.  Then I tried to remove the "/" from the neworld, also not accepted . .
. same thing when I tried to remove the "/" from the ext 4 partition.

So, I gave up on trying to use "something else" and I deleted all the
partitions to "free space" and ran it as "install alongside OSX" . . . and
it went through, Yaboot was installed . . . .  However, on reboot it went
to a black screen, my radeon boot params were not carried over to the
install . . . so I tried to set up an Xorg.conf and at same time add the
boot params to the Yaboot.conf file . . . and botched the deal by
forgetting (I believe) to run "sudo ybin" . . . and on reboot it went to
the verbose log . . . ending with "p link is down" and it froze there.

I tried to boot a Super Grub2 CD but Yaboot would not boot it . . . so,
problems with install, work around that "fixed it," and then I screwed it
up . . . seems par for the course for the iBook lately . . . .

Clearly there are "issues" with the "something else" way of installing with
possibly the double flag for "/" being involved?  If there is a bug report
for this issue, happy to add my name to it.  Might have time in a few days
to try to run the installer over my install and see if it "dpkg" the
problem . . . ah, I also tried to get to a TTY after my Xorg & Yaboot conf
fiasco . . . no dice would not open a TTY shell . . . .

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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/11/2015 09:09 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
I followed my usual style of selecting "something else" from the 
choice as I run a dual boot, set up a 10 MB "new world boot" 
partition, 12 GB formatted "ext4"  . . . and 2x RAM at 1380MB for swap 
. . . ran through the usual ID & password stuff . . . and the 
installer opened and started with "saving files xxx" . . . .  15 
minutes later it was "still doing that" which ordinarily the install 
should be finishing or almost. Checked GParted, boot partition showed 
9MB installed, and ext4 showed 322MB . . .  

Fritz:

I always use the "Something Else" (manual partitioning) option, and it 
has (so far) always worked for me.


The thing I see in your e-mail snippet above that makes me wonder, is 
your "new world boot" partition.


One of the partitions that Linux looks-for, and creates if necessary, is:

/boot

Your "new world boot" partition would not be recognized as "/boot", so 
presumably it would create its own "/boot" partition under "/". But 
perhaps there are other things you did in the manual partitioning (such 
as where GRUB is installed) that could cause a conflict.


I recall that in installing Linux alongside Mac OS X (using manual 
partitioning), I needed to create a small partition (of a name the 
installer suggested) into-which the boot-loader (GRUB) is installed.


If you need to control what is in the /boot partition, then it is 
probably best to create the /boot partition before installing, and 
indicate for the install to use it.


I suspect that it must be named "/boot".  Keep in mind that there is no 
communication between the installer and the myriads of other system 
components.  Such components probably simply look for a partition named 
"/boot".


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Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has locked up 
hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I was 
logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin client 
was logged in but not doing anything.


Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to do a 
hard shutdown in all 3 cases.


The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues there.

Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability 
issues recently?


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Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2015-05-11 20:30, John Hupp skrev:
> A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has locked up
> hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I was
> logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin client
> was logged in but not doing anything.
> 
> Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to do a
> hard shutdown in all 3 cases.
> 
> The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues
> there.
> 
> Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability
> issues recently?
> 

Hi John,

I would suspect hardware problems.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Fritz Hudnut]

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Aere Greenway 
wrote:

> I always use the "Something Else" (manual partitioning) option, and it has
> (so far) always worked for me.
>
> The thing I see in your e-mail snippet above that makes me wonder, is your
> "new world boot" partition.
>
> One of the partitions that Linux looks-for, and creates if necessary, is:
>
> /boot
>
> Your "new world boot" partition would not be recognized as "/boot", so
> presumably it would create its own "/boot" partition under "/". But perhaps
> there are other things you did in the manual partitioning (such as where
> GRUB is installed) that could cause a conflict.
>
> I recall that in installing Linux alongside Mac OS X (using manual
> partitioning), I needed to create a small partition (of a name the
> installer suggested) into-which the boot-loader (GRUB) is installed.
>


Aere:

Thanks for the thoughts . . . I for the most part have mostly used
"something else" with manual partition, on Intel MBPro . . . the "boot
loader" partition is "bios_grub" and grub is installed there.  Without that
partition it says "successful install" . . . but system will not boot into
linux.

But, PPC is a tad different in that it uses Yaboot . . . and I usually am
short on time so I haven't looked into the PowerPCFAQ author's suggestion
to try GRUB  . . . and, with some installs if I try to use "automatic" it
won't install Yaboot . . . so I also lately have been using "manual" and in
this case I've done it a number of times, previously no problems with the
install selecting "new world boot" as the label for Yaboot, and ext4
flagged as "/" . . . and on some forum it may have been said that "Yaboot
might not install into the partition, but it looks for it" . . . .

But, mainly posting here because there was some discussion about "installer
issues with desktop iso"???  My last install on the iBook was not that long
ago and I used the mini installer and blithely selected "GNOME DE" from the
drop down menu, not knowing that GNOME required 1GHz processor . . . other
than that the install went well . . . using my same "manual" partition
scheme that I used in the last two attempts.  So something seems to have
changed, I don't recall seeing the "/" label on the New World Boot
partition the last time, and I was/am thinking that the dual "/" caused
"internal conflict" in the installer's "mind" . . . but, neither one of
them could be adjusted or changed . . . .  I'm assuming that from what you
are saying that "/boot" label would go on Yaboot/grub partition???  But,
there was no choice provided for any label there, only in the "ext4"
partition could options for "/home" or something like that be made in a
drop down menu . . . but ***historically*** I always picked "/" for the
"ext4" . . . and it all "went well."

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Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

On 5/11/2015 2:47 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-05-11 20:30, John Hupp skrev:

A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has locked up
hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I was
logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin client
was logged in but not doing anything.

Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to do a
hard shutdown in all 3 cases.

The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues
there.

Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability
issues recently?


Hi John,

I would suspect hardware problems.

Best regards
Nio


A worthy thought.  Unless I hear from others about such a pattern, that 
will become my working theory.



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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Walter Lapchynski]

Classic tl;dr. Someone fill me in if you need my help. Did want to point
out that the issues with the installer really had nothing to do with this
situation, but was more about planning for things like Snappy. My idea
about getting a text mode for ubiquity so that we could get rid of the
alternate installer was also discussed, but neither are relevant.

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On May 11, 2015 11:54 AM, "Fritz Hudnut"  wrote:

>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Aere Greenway 
> wrote:
>
>> I always use the "Something Else" (manual partitioning) option, and it
>> has (so far) always worked for me.
>>
>> The thing I see in your e-mail snippet above that makes me wonder, is
>> your "new world boot" partition.
>>
>> One of the partitions that Linux looks-for, and creates if necessary, is:
>>
>> /boot
>>
>> Your "new world boot" partition would not be recognized as "/boot", so
>> presumably it would create its own "/boot" partition under "/". But perhaps
>> there are other things you did in the manual partitioning (such as where
>> GRUB is installed) that could cause a conflict.
>>
>> I recall that in installing Linux alongside Mac OS X (using manual
>> partitioning), I needed to create a small partition (of a name the
>> installer suggested) into-which the boot-loader (GRUB) is installed.
>>
>
>
> Aere:
>
> Thanks for the thoughts . . . I for the most part have mostly used
> "something else" with manual partition, on Intel MBPro . . . the "boot
> loader" partition is "bios_grub" and grub is installed there.  Without that
> partition it says "successful install" . . . but system will not boot into
> linux.
>
> But, PPC is a tad different in that it uses Yaboot . . . and I usually am
> short on time so I haven't looked into the PowerPCFAQ author's suggestion
> to try GRUB  . . . and, with some installs if I try to use "automatic" it
> won't install Yaboot . . . so I also lately have been using "manual" and in
> this case I've done it a number of times, previously no problems with the
> install selecting "new world boot" as the label for Yaboot, and ext4
> flagged as "/" . . . and on some forum it may have been said that "Yaboot
> might not install into the partition, but it looks for it" . . . .
>
> But, mainly posting here because there was some discussion about
> "installer issues with desktop iso"???  My last install on the iBook was
> not that long ago and I used the mini installer and blithely selected
> "GNOME DE" from the drop down menu, not knowing that GNOME required 1GHz
> processor . . . other than that the install went well . . . using my same
> "manual" partition scheme that I used in the last two attempts.  So
> something seems to have changed, I don't recall seeing the "/" label on the
> New World Boot partition the last time, and I was/am thinking that the dual
> "/" caused "internal conflict" in the installer's "mind" . . . but, neither
> one of them could be adjusted or changed . . . .  I'm assuming that from
> what you are saying that "/boot" label would go on Yaboot/grub
> partition???  But, there was no choice provided for any label there, only
> in the "ext4" partition could options for "/home" or something like that be
> made in a drop down menu . . . but ***historically*** I always picked "/"
> for the "ext4" . . . and it all "went well."
>
> F
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Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

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Zitat von John Hupp :


On 5/11/2015 2:47 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-05-11 20:30, John Hupp skrev:

A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has locked up
hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I was
logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin client
was logged in but not doing anything.

Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to do a
hard shutdown in all 3 cases.

The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues
there.

Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability
issues recently?


Hi John,

I would suspect hardware problems.

Best regards
Nio


A worthy thought.  Unless I hear from others about such a pattern,  
that will become my working theory.


Have you update to the latest kernel? The previous one had a  
"regression" because of a security fix:


http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2598-2/

Regards

Andreas




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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Peter Golis]

Hello Fritz,
you can start open firmware and start yaboot from that small disk formated by 
UFS which is called new world boot. 

Alternatively you can insert LiveCD for PowerPC and startup that computer to 
boot from cdrom. There shall be enough to press/hold key "c" to tell OFI to 
boot from cdrom. Rest can be done using chroot.

Fritz Hudnut  wrote:

>Folks:
>
>Just a little follow-up on the installer issue(s) . . . tried to watch the
>recent Hangouts on the installer on the world Ubuntu meeting, but didn't
>seem to be on point and at that time I hadn't tried to run an install.
>Over the weekend I tried to install two flavors from desktop image burned
>to DVD on my iBook G4 . . . first it was Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that I had
>burned and I believe I installed and from memory downloaded in February.
>
>I followed my usual style of selecting "something else" from the choice as
>I run a dual boot, set up a 10 MB "new world boot" partition, 12 GB
>formatted "ext4"  . . . and 2x RAM at 1380MB for swap . . . ran through the
>usual ID & password stuff . . . and the installer opened and started with
>"saving files xxx" . . . .  15 minutes later it was "still doing that"
>which ordinarily the install should be finishing or almost.  Checked
>GParted, boot partition showed 9MB installed, and ext4 showed 322MB . . .
>  Deleted the partitions and tried again . . . same thing . . . .  So I
>assumed that somehow the Lubuntu installer issues that have been discussed
>here had "migrated" into my burned DVD by magic . . . so I went on to try
>for a Ubuntu-MATE 15 iso . . . many downloads later I had a correct
>checksum number and burned it to DVD.
>
>The next day, yesterday I went for the install, this time I noticed that
>when I set up the Newworld boot it was flagged as "/" . . . and I also
>flagged the ext4 partition as "/" as I usual do for prior successful
>installs . . . running the install brought the same "saving copies" . . .
>with the same 9MB in newworld and 322MB showing as "used" . . . sensing a
>pattern I tried to delete the newworld partition, but, it would not run w/o
>it.  Then I tried to remove the "/" from the neworld, also not accepted . .
>. same thing when I tried to remove the "/" from the ext 4 partition.
>
>So, I gave up on trying to use "something else" and I deleted all the
>partitions to "free space" and ran it as "install alongside OSX" . . . and
>it went through, Yaboot was installed . . . .  However, on reboot it went
>to a black screen, my radeon boot params were not carried over to the
>install . . . so I tried to set up an Xorg.conf and at same time add the
>boot params to the Yaboot.conf file . . . and botched the deal by
>forgetting (I believe) to run "sudo ybin" . . . and on reboot it went to
>the verbose log . . . ending with "p link is down" and it froze there.
>
>I tried to boot a Super Grub2 CD but Yaboot would not boot it . . . so,
>problems with install, work around that "fixed it," and then I screwed it
>up . . . seems par for the course for the iBook lately . . . .
>
>Clearly there are "issues" with the "something else" way of installing with
>possibly the double flag for "/" being involved?  If there is a bug report
>for this issue, happy to add my name to it.  Might have time in a few days
>to try to run the installer over my install and see if it "dpkg" the
>problem . . . ah, I also tried to get to a TTY after my Xorg & Yaboot conf
>fiasco . . . no dice would not open a TTY shell . . . .
>
>F/e.e.p.
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Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[Ian Bruntlett]

Hi John,

On 11 May 2015 at 19:30, John Hupp  wrote:

> Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability issues
> recently?
>

Am using 15.04 on a lenovo ThinkPad T420 that I did a distro upgrade from
14.10. The kernel is OK but I managed to crash Firefox whilst organising
bookmarks and I crashed LibreOffice Writer somehow as well. Never done this
before.

HTH,


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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Fritz Hudnut]

@wxl:

Thanks for the reply . . . indeed, the discussion I saw, couple talking
heads . . . has nothing to do with this problem . . . but then I didn't
hear them say "Snappy" either . . . but I only gave them about 5 minutes to
access the focus of their effort.

@Peter:

Thanks also for your thoughts . . . however, past efforts to "boot open
firmware" to try to boot a USB flash edition based upon the PowerPCFAQ
instructions were ***not successful for my '04 era iBook G4 . . . well,
I was able to boot into open firmware . . . but none of the supplied
options on the FAQ did anything . . . and that included something like
"//yaboot" that was trying to boot the yaboot file in the USB flash . .
. .  Point being, that I would need detailed directions on how to try that
. . . and possibly that machine would not comply.

In terms of the "boot with c key" to boot the cdrom, right, that should
have worked, but didn't . . . it went to the Yaboot window, and then
selecting "c" for cdrom . . . brought some error . . . might have then been
able to hit "return" and then tried "L" . . . leading to the frozen
dmesg??? list, OR I can reboot into OSX . . . .

My thought is to again try to boot the linux install disk and try to run
the install again and see if it "recognizes" anything as "installed" . . .
and then tries to repair . . . .  To the best of my knowledge Yaboot
doesn't have a "recovery" mode like GRUB does . . . .  Or . . . if that
fails . . . "nuke and pave" . . . once again.

One way or another, it isn't per se the install that is the issue, I got
the system installed . . . and could probably do it again.  It's just the
fact that using my usual "manual" partition method did not work . . . and
possibly this may relate to some of these recent "installer" issues

F

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Peter Golis  wrote:

> Hello Fritz,
> you can start open firmware and start yaboot from that small disk formated
> by UFS which is called new world boot.
>
> Alternatively you can insert LiveCD for PowerPC and startup that computer
> to boot from cdrom. There shall be enough to press/hold key "c" to tell OFI
> to boot from cdrom. Rest can be done using chroot.
>
>
> Fritz Hudnut  wrote:
>
> Folks:
>
> Just a little follow-up on the installer issue(s) . . . tried to watch the
> recent Hangouts on the installer on the world Ubuntu meeting, but didn't
> seem to be on point and at that time I hadn't tried to run an install.
> Over the weekend I tried to install two flavors from desktop image burned
> to DVD on my iBook G4 . . . first it was Lubuntu 14.04 LTS that I had
> burned and I believe I installed and from memory downloaded in February.
>
> I followed my usual style of selecting "something else" from the choice as
> I run a dual boot, set up a 10 MB "new world boot" partition, 12 GB
> formatted "ext4"  . . . and 2x RAM at 1380MB for swap . . . ran through the
> usual ID & password stuff . . . and the installer opened and started with
> "saving files xxx" . . . .  15 minutes later it was "still doing that"
> which ordinarily the install should be finishing or almost.  Checked
> GParted, boot partition showed 9MB installed, and ext4 showed 322MB . . .
>   Deleted the partitions and tried again . . . same thing . . . .  So I
> assumed that somehow the Lubuntu installer issues that have been discussed
> here had "migrated" into my burned DVD by magic . . . so I went on to try
> for a Ubuntu-MATE 15 iso . . . many downloads later I had a correct
> checksum number and burned it to DVD.
>
> The next day, yesterday I went for the install, this time I noticed that
> when I set up the Newworld boot it was flagged as "/" . . . and I also
> flagged the ext4 partition as "/" as I usual do for prior successful
> installs . . . running the install brought the same "saving copies" . . .
> with the same 9MB in newworld and 322MB showing as "used" . . . sensing a
> pattern I tried to delete the newworld partition, but, it would not run w/o
> it.  Then I tried to remove the "/" from the neworld, also not accepted . .
> . same thing when I tried to remove the "/" from the ext 4 partition.
>
> So, I gave up on trying to use "something else" and I deleted all the
> partitions to "free space" and ran it as "install alongside OSX" . . . and
> it went through, Yaboot was installed . . . .  However, on reboot it went
> to a black screen, my radeon boot params were not carried over to the
> install . . . so I tried to set up an Xorg.conf and at same time add the
> boot params to the Yaboot.conf file . . . and botched the deal by
> forgetting (I believe) to run "sudo ybin" . . . and on reboot it went to
> the verbose log . . . ending with "p link is down" and it froze there.
>
> I tried to boot a Super Grub2 CD but Yaboot would not boot it . . . so,
> problems with install, work around that "fixed it," and then I screwed it
> up . . . seems par for the course for the iBook lately . . . .
>
> Clearly there are "issues" with the "som

Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

On 5/11/2015 4:09 PM, lst_ho...@kwsoft.de wrote:


Zitat von John Hupp :


On 5/11/2015 2:47 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-05-11 20:30, John Hupp skrev:
A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has 
locked up

hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I was
logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin client
was logged in but not doing anything.

Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to 
do a

hard shutdown in all 3 cases.

The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues
there.

Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability
issues recently?


Hi John,

I would suspect hardware problems.

Best regards
Nio


A worthy thought.  Unless I hear from others about such a pattern, 
that will become my working theory.


Have you update to the latest kernel? The previous one had a 
"regression" because of a security fix:


http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2598-2/

Regards

Andreas



Thanks to all for the several replies, and to Andreas for the 
particulars.  However, I find that I have the patched kernel installed 
and also included in the terminal server image.


So unless there is still an unpatched kernel issue, or an unidentified 
software problem, I may have to fall back to the idea that it is a 
hardware issue.


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Re: Recent stability issues with *buntu 14.04?

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/11/2015 12:30 PM, John Hupp wrote:
A Lubuntu 14.04 i386 machine that also runs an LTSP server has locked 
up hard 3 times since 5/7.  I took note in the latest lockup that I 
was logged in and just running the file manager, and that one thin 
client was logged in but not doing anything.


Not even the magic syskeys would get me out gracefully, so I had to do 
a hard shutdown in all 3 cases.


The last syslog entry was 15 minutes prior to the lockup, so no clues 
there.


Has anyone else with a similar configuration noticed any stability 
issues recently?



John:

I had a case where I was experimenting with the first steps of putting 
an application menu-entry on the desktop, but never did the final steps 
to create the desktop icon, that hung my Lubuntu 14.04 i386 system, and 
I think it was in pcmanfm last, in causing the hang.


The system hung that way was not using CPU or memory - it just wouldn't 
do any further work, or sign-out or terminate.


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Re: Lubuntu 14 && U-MATE 15 installer issues [PPC]

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/11/2015 12:54 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:


On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Aere Greenway 
mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com>> wrote:


I always use the "Something Else" (manual partitioning) option,
and it has (so far) always worked for me.

The thing I see in your e-mail snippet above that makes me wonder,
is your "new world boot" partition.

One of the partitions that Linux looks-for, and creates if
necessary, is:

/boot

Your "new world boot" partition would not be recognized as
"/boot", so presumably it would create its own "/boot" partition
under "/". But perhaps there are other things you did in the
manual partitioning (such as where GRUB is installed) that could
cause a conflict.

I recall that in installing Linux alongside Mac OS X (using manual
partitioning), I needed to create a small partition (of a name the
installer suggested) into-which the boot-loader (GRUB) is installed.



Aere:

Thanks for the thoughts . . . I for the most part have mostly used 
"something else" with manual partition, on Intel MBPro . . . the "boot 
loader" partition is "bios_grub" and grub is installed there.  Without 
that partition it says "successful install" . . . but system will not 
boot into linux.


But, PPC is a tad different in that it uses Yaboot . . . and I usually 
am short on time so I haven't looked into the PowerPCFAQ author's 
suggestion to try GRUB  . . . and, with some installs if I try to use 
"automatic" it won't install Yaboot . . . so I also lately have been 
using "manual" and in this case I've done it a number of times, 
previously no problems with the install selecting "new world boot" as 
the label for Yaboot, and ext4 flagged as "/" . . . and on some forum 
it may have been said that "Yaboot might not install into the 
partition, but it looks for it" . . . .


But, mainly posting here because there was some discussion about 
"installer issues with desktop iso"???  My last install on the iBook 
was not that long ago and I used the mini installer and blithely 
selected "GNOME DE" from the drop down menu, not knowing that GNOME 
required 1GHz processor . . . other than that the install went well . 
. . using my same "manual" partition scheme that I used in the last 
two attempts.  So something seems to have changed, I don't recall 
seeing the "/" label on the New World Boot partition the last time, 
and I was/am thinking that the dual "/" caused "internal conflict" in 
the installer's "mind" . . . but, neither one of them could be 
adjusted or changed . . . . I'm assuming that from what you are saying 
that "/boot" label would go on Yaboot/grub partition???  But, there 
was no choice provided for any label there, only in the "ext4" 
partition could options for "/home" or something like that be made in 
a drop down menu . . . but ***historically*** I always picked "/" for 
the "ext4" . . . and it all "went well."


F

Fritz:

In my e-mail to you that you responded-to, I was confusing the partition 
name with the mount-point.  If the installer doesn't give you the choice 
of the mount-point you need, you can type it into the combo-box.


I have not tried installing Linux along-side a PPC Mac.  My two Mac 
machines are Mac OS X 10.6.8 (32-bit), and Mac OS X 10.8.6 (64-bit).  I 
use rEFIt for my initial menu of which system to boot. Both are MacBooks.


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Re: Other in Menu

[Israel]

Hi Eric,
(you may have found a bug)

You could edit the menu file, though I am not sure what this would do...

(we already know the prefix, but just for posterity)
find what menu prefix is being used.
i.e.
echo $XDG_MENU_PREFIX
lxde-

You can find the menus in
/etc/xdg/menus
such as
lxde-applications.menu

Here is the OTHER portion


Other
lxde-other.directory



Core
Settings
Screensaver


 

It seems that there is some sort of issue

(from xterm.desktop)
Categories=System;TerminalEmulator;Utility;

So, it should end up in System or Accessories (utility), as only the
Additional Categories:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#additional-category-registry
and reserved categories should end up in Other
TerminalEmulator is an additional category, but System and Utility are
standard

I wonder what other applications end up there?


On 05/11/2015 08:45 AM, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:
>
> Nothing that I know of. This menu category as always been part of
> lubuntu. Good thing you were a Le to customize it.
>
> On May 11, 2015 9:40 AM, "Eric Bradshaw"
>  > wrote:
>
> I've noticed in both a fresh 15.04 install and an upgrade from
> 14.10 that XTerm and UXTerm have been placed in a menu category I
> haven't seen before called "Other." I've easily moved these by
> changing their shortcuts, but my own custom menu category/ies no
> longer appear - they are now lumped into "Other" as well and I've
> not yet been able to figure out how to correct this. Anyone know
> what changed?
>
> Eric Bradshaw
>
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Re: Other in Menu

[Istimsak Abdulbasir]

What does XDG mean and what dies it do?
On May 11, 2015 9:34 PM, "Israel"  wrote:

>  Hi Eric,
> (you may have found a bug)
>
> You could edit the menu file, though I am not sure what this would do...
>
> (we already know the prefix, but just for posterity)
> find what menu prefix is being used.
> i.e.
> echo $XDG_MENU_PREFIX
> lxde-
>
> You can find the menus in
> /etc/xdg/menus
> such as
> lxde-applications.menu
>
> Here is the OTHER portion
> 
> 
> Other
> lxde-other.directory
> 
> 
> 
> Core
> Settings
> Screensaver
> 
> 
>  
>
> It seems that there is some sort of issue
>
> (from xterm.desktop)
> Categories=System;TerminalEmulator;Utility;
>
> So, it should end up in System or Accessories (utility), as only the
> Additional Categories:
>
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html#additional-category-registry
> and reserved categories should end up in Other
> TerminalEmulator is an additional category, but System and Utility are
> standard
>
> I wonder what other applications end up there?
>
>
> On 05/11/2015 08:45 AM, Istimsak Abdulbasir wrote:
>
> Nothing that I know of. This menu category as always been part of lubuntu.
> Good thing you were a Le to customize it.
> On May 11, 2015 9:40 AM, "Eric Bradshaw" <
> ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:
>
>>  I've noticed in both a fresh 15.04 install and an upgrade from 14.10
>> that XTerm and UXTerm have been placed in a menu category I haven't seen
>> before called "Other." I've easily moved these by changing their shortcuts,
>> but my own custom menu category/ies no longer appear - they are now lumped
>> into "Other" as well and I've not yet been able to figure out how to
>> correct this. Anyone know what changed?
>>
>>  Eric Bradshaw
>>
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