Re: Mini Ubuntu Project (AKA Mubuntu)

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Israel  wrote:

>  On 12/17/2013 07:38 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>
>  Hello Israel :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Israel  wrote:
>
>>   On 12/17/2013 07:17 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Lars Noodén wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/17/2013 02:47 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>>> > Note: the name might be change later so don't pay much attention to the
>>> > name, but the idea itself :)
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130718
>>> >
>>> > Myself and Nio have teamed up to work on this project so I'd like to
>>> invite
>>> > ANYONE who would like to join us ... he/she is more than welcome to
>>> join :)
>>> >
>>> > Everything should be explained on the above thread.
>>> >
>>> > If you have any Q, please do ask :)
>>> >
>>> > Thank you!
>>>
>>>  The level of user this might be targeting would also be able to install
>>> the minimal CD, add lubuntu-core plus any specific applications they
>>> want.  Maybe this project is better as a short HowTo on the net
>>> somewhere or as a short article in some Linux publication.  Have you
>>> tried selling the idea as an article to them?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> /Lars
>>>
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>>
>>
>>  Hello Lars,
>>
>>  Myself and guess Nio too are serious to have an installable system that
>> should be 'lighter' than Lubuntu and 'more simple' than Lubuntu. We might
>> have two versions, one with OBI (One Button Installer) and other version.
>> First version will be based on Ubuntu 12.04 and the later versions can be
>> based on Ubuntu 14.04 but it is too early for that now.
>>
>>  This project is not meant as a HOWTO, there is an ISO and everything :)
>>
>> http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/12/minimal-ubuntu-aka-mubuntu.html
>>
>>  Thank you!
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>>
>>   Have you heard of Puppy Linux before?
>>
>
>  Of course I have :)
>
>
> Every long time GNU/Linux user has had to have heard of/used Puppy at
> least once.
>

Puppy Linux was on the first suggestions list that people suggested when I
was trying to breathe new life into this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614


>
>
>
>
>
>> Barry, the guy who does it has been toying around with the idea of making
>> a way to convert an ubuntu install to Puppy style.
>>
>
>  Puppy is independent -
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Puppy
>  So, it seems he is trying to do what you just described :)
>
>Yeah... there are Puppy versions based off of Ubuntu, and in fact
> there is an LTS version (Precise Puppy)
>
>
Nice :)


>
>
>
>>  I think that would be the best place to go to do that.
>>
>
>  You mean team up with him?
>
>He is stepping down, but you could work towards moving Puppy into the
> Ubuntu ecosystem, and incorporating all the work they have done to make a
> lighter distro.
>
>
Just contacted him from his website and sent it my contacts so will wait
for his reply :)


>
>
>
>> JWM is much lighter than Lubuntu, but it needs to be manually configured
>> in Ubuntu to even have a panel and window decorations(Puppy has some really
>> incredible scripts that update the menu, and change the WM theme).
>>
>
>  You mean lighter than LXDE not Lubuntu because Lubuntu is a system not
> DE nor WM :)
>
>
> Yes, sorry, I was typing excitedly...  JWM is the WM, Rox handles the
> desktop icons, so I should have said something different.
>
>
No worries :)



>
>
>
>>  It also runs inside memory and they have scripts to 'trim the fat' from
>> packages.
>>
>
>  I think I have heard about that :)
>
>It is pretty incredible how much space it can save.
>
>
>
>
>> It can run very fast on very old hardware.
>> I might be worth the effort to get involved with bringing Puppy's goodies
>> to Ubuntu, so you can make a Lubuntu lighter with a few scripts, or you can
>> even use JWM if you have an old computer.
>>
>
>  But, I am not trying to create a spin of Lubuntu or something, this is
> something different and has different path and vision. Basically, this
> project suppose to be lighter than Lubuntu and simpler :) also, it should
> be LTS, unlike Lubuntu 12.04 which is outdated already.
>
>Only the LXDE part is outdated, right?  The rest of the core Ubuntu
> stuff is up-to-date, and the Lubuntu specifics to LXDE don't get security
> fixes, etc... but Firefox stays up to date, the kernel, etc... receive
> Ubuntu security updates.
>

I prefer not to go into such complications. I have already found some very
interested people who promised to start working on my project very soon :)



>
>
>
>
>> I always keep a copy of Puppy around, it generally weighs in at around
>> 200MB for a decent install with some extras.
>>
>
>  I didn't like the interface when I 

Re: Box Icon Theme

[Andre Rodovalho]

I'm using an SVG file as icon on my "Lubuntu Start" button. Something good
about SVG is that you probably won't need to worry about size, since it's
vetorial..


2013/12/18 Israel 

> Hey @Rafael Laguna, I am working on some Icons, and I realized it would
> be REALLY useful if you had a template file for making a box icon on the
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Guidelines web page.  Also
> preferred format i.e. PNG files.  Does LXDE support SVG files?  I
> wouldn't mind simply making them in inkscape and then exporting as a png
> file if that is better.
> I have begun working on some of the applications Eric and I have been
> discussing on this list.
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Need to go past the login details of Lubuntu

[River Bank]

Hi,

After installation using live-cd since i have old machines i get stuck on
the the login details for lubuntu since it does not prompt me to fill in a
user name and password. I have tried severally the long process of
re-installing and still no joy. Kindly assist on how to get about this.

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[DistroWatch] Finding drop-in replacements for unsupported operating systems

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi,

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131216#qa

I am surprised that Lubuntu is NOT mentioned as one of the options, nor
StartUbuntu but at least Kubuntu is mentioned, even though I doubt Kubuntu
can play a role on this but still part of the family :)

Odd enough they mentioned systems that based or forked from other
well-known systems!

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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Israel]

Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons
folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does
indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web,
and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG art,
you should check out OpenClipArt.org
It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to Open
Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more
appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)

On 12/18/2013 10:33 AM, Andre Rodovalho wrote:
> I'm using an SVG file as icon on my "Lubuntu Start" button. Something
> good about SVG is that you probably won't need to worry about size,
> since it's vetorial..
>
>
> 2013/12/18 Israel mailto:israeld...@gmail.com>>
>
> Hey @Rafael Laguna, I am working on some Icons, and I realized it
> would
> be REALLY useful if you had a template file for making a box icon
> on the
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Guidelines web page.  Also
> preferred format i.e. PNG files.  Does LXDE support SVG files?  I
> wouldn't mind simply making them in inkscape and then exporting as
> a png
> file if that is better.
> I have begun working on some of the applications Eric and I have been
> discussing on this list.
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Re: Need to go past the login details of Lubuntu

[Israel]

On 12/18/2013 02:32 PM, River Bank wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After installation using live-cd since i have old machines i get stuck
> on the the login details for lubuntu since it does not prompt me to
> fill in a user name and password. I have tried severally the long
> process of re-installing and still no joy. Kindly assist on how to get
> about this.
>
> Warm regards
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>
Hi, are you reinstalling on an old machine, where you have kept the
/home as a separate partition?  What version are you running (i.e. the
current 13.10)
Are you saying that you get stuck in the installer (ubiquity)?  Or you
get stuck in the Login Screen?  If you get really stuck on the login
screen, does the computer lock up, or can you still interact, and drop
to a tty (Ctrl+Alt+F1)... if you are unfamiliar a tty is the terminal
screen, which will prompt you to log in to your user account, and enter
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Re: Need to go past the login details of Lubuntu

[Jordan]

Hi Harry,

One problem might be with the video driver on a specific machine. When 
you get to a terminal screen (either ctrl+alt+f1 or through grub at 
bootup), type


sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade dist-upgrade

Let upgrade/dist-upgrade supply the packages that are missing.  It's 
highly likely (but not certain) that the driver will be in the 
repositories and supplied during this process.  When you reboot after 
downloading the missing packages, see if you get the login box.


If you don't see an improvement, there's usually a way to supply a 
(non-free) driver manually through a thumb drive.  Go to the video card 
manufacturer website, find the driver, dl it onto the thumb drive and 
mount the thumb drive into the linux machine.  Move the file to a hard 
drive and then execute it.  This is a pain, but sometimes the only 
solution.


Jordan

On 12/18/2013 05:42 PM, Israel wrote:

On 12/18/2013 02:32 PM, River Bank wrote:

Hi,

After installation using live-cd since i have old machines i get 
stuck on the the login details for lubuntu since it does not prompt 
me to fill in a user name and password. I have tried severally the 
long process of re-installing and still no joy. Kindly assist on how 
to get about this.


Warm regards
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Hi, are you reinstalling on an old machine, where you have kept the 
/home as a separate partition?  What version are you running (i.e. the 
current 13.10)
Are you saying that you get stuck in the installer (ubiquity)?  Or you 
get stuck in the Login Screen?  If you get really stuck on the login 
screen, does the computer lock up, or can you still interact, and drop 
to a tty (Ctrl+Alt+F1)... if you are unfamiliar a tty is the terminal 
screen, which will prompt you to log in to your user account, and 
enter a password.  This way you can fix the issue, from within the 
terminal.


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Re: [DistroWatch] Finding drop-in replacements for unsupported operating systems

[brendanperr...@gmail.com]

Espcially when one on the list also requires a dvd or usb to boot from
which not all xp computers have.


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

> Hi,
>
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131216#qa
>
> I am surprised that Lubuntu is NOT mentioned as one of the options, nor
> StartUbuntu but at least Kubuntu is mentioned, even though I doubt Kubuntu
> can play a role on this but still part of the family :)
>
> Odd enough they mentioned systems that based or forked from other
> well-known systems!
>
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Qudisup Youtube Annual Review

[David Yentzen]

Hello to all,
  Quidsup on Youtube is a regular distro reviewer and fairly well known.
His "best of 2013" is linked below. He gives Lubuntu 13.10 a respectable
third place finish( out of forty-two reviewed distros in 2013). It's worth
the four mins. to watch.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0tXoRnHg1I

Comms social media channels may wish to post this...its a solid review.

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Re: [Lubuntu-comms] Qudisup Youtube Annual Review

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/12/18 David Yentzen :
> Hello to all,
>   Quidsup on Youtube is a regular distro reviewer and fairly well known. His
> "best of 2013" is linked below. He gives Lubuntu 13.10 a respectable third
> place finish( out of forty-two reviewed distros in 2013). It's worth the
> four mins. to watch.
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0tXoRnHg1I
>
> Comms social media channels may wish to post this...its a solid review.
>
> Best,
> David
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Sharing right now... Thank you David!

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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Aere Greenway]

On 12/18/2013 03:26 PM, Israel wrote:
Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons 
folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does 
indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web, 
and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG 
art, you should check out OpenClipArt.org
It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to 
Open Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more 
appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)

Israel:

Java (a different language from JavaScript) cannot directly support 
'.svg' graphics.  The '.jpg' and '.png' work fine.  This is true for 
Java's Swing (and AWT) GUI.  I don't know if the same is true for Spring.


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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Israel]

On 12/18/2013 07:54 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 03:26 PM, Israel wrote:
>> Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons
>> folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does
>> indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web,
>> and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG
>> art, you should check out OpenClipArt.org
>> It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to
>> Open Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
>> I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more
>> appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)
> Israel:
>
> Java (a different language from JavaScript) cannot directly support
> '.svg' graphics.  The '.jpg' and '.png' work fine.  This is true for
> Java's Swing (and AWT) GUI.  I don't know if the same is true for Spring.
>
I didn't know that about Java, that seems really unfortunate as SVG's
are great (they are vector based so the do not become pixelated).  I am
not sure exactly what you are saying by your e-mail, though...  Are you
saying the box icon theme should also have png files, or are you saying
that for web use it is not possible to use it with Java.  I don't use
Java (yet), I use JavaScript, which can be coded directly into SVG
files, and can be used to manipulate the SVG, and whatever else...  I
have only experimented a little with the capabilities, but since SVG is
in XML format, all JavaScript should theoretically be possible (even
calling an external script), though I have not tried this yet, though
maybe others on this list have and know whether it is possible or not.

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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Israel]

On 12/18/2013 07:54 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 03:26 PM, Israel wrote:
>> Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons
>> folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does
>> indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web,
>> and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG
>> art, you should check out OpenClipArt.org
>> It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to
>> Open Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
>> I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more
>> appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)
> Israel:
>
> Java (a different language from JavaScript) cannot directly support
> '.svg' graphics.  The '.jpg' and '.png' work fine.  This is true for
> Java's Swing (and AWT) GUI.  I don't know if the same is true for Spring.
>
I didn't know that about Java, that seems really unfortunate as SVG's
are great (they are vector based so the do not become pixelated).  I am
not sure exactly what you are saying by your e-mail, though...  Are you
saying the box icon theme should also have png files, or are you saying
that for web use it is not possible to use it with Java.  I don't use
Java (yet), I use JavaScript, which can be coded directly into SVG
files, and can be used to manipulate the SVG, and whatever else...  I
have only experimented a little with the capabilities, but since SVG is
in XML format, all JavaScript should theoretically be possible (even
calling an external script), though I have not tried this yet, though
maybe others on this list have and know whether it is possible or not.

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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Aere Greenway]

On 12/18/2013 07:31 PM, Israel wrote:

On 12/18/2013 07:54 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

On 12/18/2013 03:26 PM, Israel wrote:

Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons
folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does
indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web,
and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG
art, you should check out OpenClipArt.org
It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to
Open Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more
appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)

Israel:

Java (a different language from JavaScript) cannot directly support
'.svg' graphics.  The '.jpg' and '.png' work fine.  This is true for
Java's Swing (and AWT) GUI.  I don't know if the same is true for Spring.


I didn't know that about Java, that seems really unfortunate as SVG's
are great (they are vector based so the do not become pixelated).  I am
not sure exactly what you are saying by your e-mail, though...  Are you
saying the box icon theme should also have png files, or are you saying
that for web use it is not possible to use it with Java.  I don't use
Java (yet), I use JavaScript, which can be coded directly into SVG
files, and can be used to manipulate the SVG, and whatever else...  I
have only experimented a little with the capabilities, but since SVG is
in XML format, all JavaScript should theoretically be possible (even
calling an external script), though I have not tried this yet, though
maybe others on this list have and know whether it is possible or not.


Israel:

I was merely pointing out something surprising that I learned.

In attempting to display icons in a Java Swing application of installed 
components, though most of the component had '.png' icons, some of them 
had '.svg' icons.  The '.svg' icons could not be displayed by the 
application, but the '.png' icons were displayed properly.  Fortunately, 
most of the icons were '.png'.


In spite of the virtues of '.svg' icons you were pointing out, like with 
so many things, there is a down-side, and the down-side here is 
something few of you would likely be aware of.


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Re: Box Icon Theme

[Israel]

On 12/18/2013 08:47 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 07:31 PM, Israel wrote:
>> On 12/18/2013 07:54 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
>>> On 12/18/2013 03:26 PM, Israel wrote:
 Yeah I really like SVG graphics  I looked into the Lubuntu icons
 folder and saw that they are all svg files, so apparently LXDE does
 indeed support svg.  SVG has a lot of other great uses, like the web,
 and integrating JavaScript directly into the SVG.  If you like SVG
 art, you should check out OpenClipArt.org
 It might be worth submitting the icon set (once it is finished) to
 Open Clip Art as long as it can be released as public domain.
 I also might submit a Template, though I think it would be more
 appropriate if Rafael submitted it, since he is the resident artist :)
>>> Israel:
>>>
>>> Java (a different language from JavaScript) cannot directly support
>>> '.svg' graphics.  The '.jpg' and '.png' work fine.  This is true for
>>> Java's Swing (and AWT) GUI.  I don't know if the same is true for
>>> Spring.
>>>
>> I didn't know that about Java, that seems really unfortunate as SVG's
>> are great (they are vector based so the do not become pixelated).  I am
>> not sure exactly what you are saying by your e-mail, though...  Are you
>> saying the box icon theme should also have png files, or are you saying
>> that for web use it is not possible to use it with Java.  I don't use
>> Java (yet), I use JavaScript, which can be coded directly into SVG
>> files, and can be used to manipulate the SVG, and whatever else...  I
>> have only experimented a little with the capabilities, but since SVG is
>> in XML format, all JavaScript should theoretically be possible (even
>> calling an external script), though I have not tried this yet, though
>> maybe others on this list have and know whether it is possible or not.
>>
> Israel:
>
> I was merely pointing out something surprising that I learned.
>
> In attempting to display icons in a Java Swing application of
> installed components, though most of the component had '.png' icons,
> some of them had '.svg' icons.  The '.svg' icons could not be
> displayed by the application, but the '.png' icons were displayed
> properly.  Fortunately, most of the icons were '.png'.
>
> In spite of the virtues of '.svg' icons you were pointing out, like
> with so many things, there is a down-side, and the down-side here is
> something few of you would likely be aware of.
>
Ok, thanks for the insight.  I have yet to get in to Java, though once I
am fully comfortable and familiar with the languages I am currently
pursuing, I may move to using Java a bit too... it seems much of the
syntax is very similar to C++ (and JavaScript), though each language has
its quirks.  I will try to remember that about svg.  It seems strange
that Java can't support svg.  There might be some sort of library for
supporting svg, because Android uses Java, and it seems like there must
be support for it, as some apps can create (and display) svg on
android... but maybe Android allows apps to be programmed in many
languages, and those apps are not Java.
Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your experience and wisdom, it
is much needed, and not just for me, I know many others benefit from
your input here!!

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Re: [DistroWatch] Finding drop-in replacements for unsupported operating systems

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:58 AM, brendanperr...@gmail.com <
walteror...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Espcially when one on the list also requires a dvd or usb to boot from
> which not all xp computers have.
>
>
Not only one, ALL AFAIK needs a DVD except Peppermint :)


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A few Lubuntu Menu things...

[Eric Bradshaw]

Larger than normal (or no) icons for shortcuts/.desktop entry files in 
menu/Desktop - All apps (beginning with the letter "A" anyway) installed 
through LSC.


A
Abe's Amazing Adventure
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/abe.xpm
Aconnectgui
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/aconnectgui.xpm
Advanced Strategic Command (no icon)
Icon=asc
alevt (no icon)
Icon=alevt
AltOS UI
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/altusmetrum.xpm
Alleyoop Memory Checker (no icon)
Icon=alleyoop
Alsamixergui
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/alsamixergui.xpm
Alsaplayer (no icon)
Icon=alsaplayer
Amora Daemon (no icon)
Icon=amora
Anagramarama (no icon)
Icon=
Apitrace Retracer
[Icon line missing completely]
Artemis
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/artemis.xpm
Athena
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/athena.xpm
apvlv
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/apvlv/apvlv.xpm
ARC Certificate Utility (no icon)
Icon=system-config-authentication
ARC Job Submission Tool (no icon)
Icon=system-config-authentication
ARC Proxy Generator (no icon)
Icon=system-config-authentication
Aqualung
Icon=aqualung.xpm
AutoRenamer (no icon)
[Icon line missing completely]
Atris (no icon)
[Icon line missing completely]
Attal
Icon=

Childsplay
Icon=logo_cp_32x32.xpm
Dr.geo
Icon=drgeo_32x32.xpm
Linux Letters and Numbers
Icon=lletters.xpm
Mobile Atlas Creator
Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/mobile-atlas-creator/mobac.xpm

Eric

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