Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Julien Lavergne]

2013/11/21 JM 

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:34:00 -0200
> Iberê Fernandes  wrote:
>
> > Mélodie,
> >
> > Regarding lxsession edit, I agree with you: I'm still fighting to
> > understand it. (I'm a Lubuntu user since 11.10)
> >
> > However, some other folks seems to have got how it works:
> >
> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html
> >
> > "Though Lubuntu is yet to get an LXDE control center like PCLinuxOS
> > LXDE or ROSA and the settings items are scattered through Menu ->
> > Preferences. Another interesting addition I saw is the Default
> > applications for LXSession entry in Preferences. Earlier adding any
> > program to autostart in LXDE would mean hitting the terminal. But, now
> > with this option, adding programs to autostart (from Running or
> > Launching applications and/or directly adding an entry to autostart)
> > has become a lot easier. Further, settings give options of changing
> > default DE, adding Gnome Dbus and/or setting up Lubuntu in laptop
> > mode. I like Lubuntu more than any of the previous versions that I
> > have used."
> >
> > Well, that's the blogger opinion... not mine though.
> >
> > Just wanted to share a different point of view.
>
>
> Hello,
> An opinion which is nice to read at but which unfortunately doesn't bring
> the first clue
> about what in that bench of buttons does what. :?
>
>
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DI5LLU4D2Go/UmJo43HBJaI/Isw/tCuJsz9jCGc/s912/lxsession-default-apps_029.png
>

Well, I'm completely agree with the actual design of lxsession-default-app,
for now is more a debug tool, that a real user tool. One of my goal for
this cycle is to make it better. I worked more on the backend than on the
UI last cycle. Again (I probably said it a couple of times already), any UI
input are welcomed.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Iberê Fernandes]

2013/11/19 JM :
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:24:18 +0100
> Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>> - Change in autostart applications : all applications in /etc/xdg and
>> .config/autostart/ was disable by default. That's was a design decision to
>> reduce the number of applications launching randomly. It was replaced by an
>> application to define more clearly what applications you want to start by
>> default (with lxsession-default-app). With some feedbacks, I think it was a
>> bad idea, it confused too much people. So, I turned this off by default
>> upstream, and I'll also do it in Lubuntu in 14.04. That was also the goal
>> of 13.10, doing experimentations.
>>
>> If you want to turn it off now manually, go to lxsession-default-app =>
>> Autostart => Set « no » to « Disable autostarted applications ? »
>>
>>
>> - Remove lxsession-edit
>>
>> It was also replaced by lxsession-default-app, all the functionalities are
>> now in lxsession-default-app => Autostart, but also if you set « no »to
>> « Disable autostarted applications ? »
>
>
> Hi,
> I have tried lxsession edit and I didn't understand the features provided by 
> the
> different actions.
>
> I have shown it to someone else (who is quite keen with computers) and he 
> said the same
> thing. "No idea what these actions do".
>
> I just wanted to let you know.
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie
>
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Mélodie,

Regarding lxsession edit, I agree with you: I'm still fighting to
understand it. (I'm a Lubuntu user since 11.10)

However, some other folks seems to have got how it works:
http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html

"Though Lubuntu is yet to get an LXDE control center like PCLinuxOS
LXDE or ROSA and the settings items are scattered through Menu ->
Preferences. Another interesting addition I saw is the Default
applications for LXSession entry in Preferences. Earlier adding any
program to autostart in LXDE would mean hitting the terminal. But, now
with this option, adding programs to autostart (from Running or
Launching applications and/or directly adding an entry to autostart)
has become a lot easier. Further, settings give options of changing
default DE, adding Gnome Dbus and/or setting up Lubuntu in laptop
mode. I like Lubuntu more than any of the previous versions that I
have used."

Well, that's the blogger opinion... not mine though.

Just wanted to share a different point of view.

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RE: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Dale Visser]

  Ooh... I like that mockup. I installed Google Chrome on 13.10 for my son,
and I was having a hard time figuring out how to set the default browser
back to Firefox.

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Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

I could do that, because you're tool does all my tweak mockup showed, and a
few things more. Just adding more tabs to my mockup and filling with your
tool ;)

http://imgur.com/NkaA0eJ

Julien Lavergne  wrote:


2013/11/21 JM 

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:34:00 -0200
> Iberê Fernandes  wrote:
>
> > Mélodie,
> >
> > Regarding lxsession edit, I agree with you: I'm still fighting to
> > understand it. (I'm a Lubuntu user since 11.10)
> >
> > However, some other folks seems to have got how it works:
> >
> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html
> >
> > "Though Lubuntu is yet to get an LXDE control center like PCLinuxOS
> > LXDE or ROSA and the settings items are scattered through Menu ->
> > Preferences. Another interesting addition I saw is the Default
> > applications for LXSession entry in Preferences. Earlier adding any
> > program to autostart in LXDE would mean hitting the terminal. But, now
> > with this option, adding programs to autostart (from Running or
> > Launching applications and/or directly adding an entry to autostart)
> > has become a lot easier. Further, settings give options of changing
> > default DE, adding Gnome Dbus and/or setting up Lubuntu in laptop
> > mode. I like Lubuntu more than any of the previous versions that I
> > have used."
> >
> > Well, that's the blogger opinion... not mine though.
> >
> > Just wanted to share a different point of view.
>
>
> Hello,
> An opinion which is nice to read at but which unfortunately doesn't bring
> the first clue
> about what in that bench of buttons does what. :?
>
>
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DI5LLU4D2Go/UmJo43HBJaI/Isw/tCuJsz9jCGc/s912/lxsession-default-apps_029.png
>

Well, I'm completely agree with the actual design of lxsession-default-app,
for now is more a debug tool, that a real user tool. One of my goal for
this cycle is to make it better. I worked more on the backend than on the
UI last cycle. Again (I probably said it a couple of times already), any UI
input are welcomed.

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Re: Pitching in with Lubuntu

[Sergio Meneses]

Greetings Lyz!

It is amazing to see you here! I am the TL of the wiki-documentation team
and I wish you have a great time here!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams#Documentation_Team



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Ubuntu User: #24056


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:14 PM, David Yentzen  wrote:

> Hello Lyz,
>   Thank you for your email; your offer of advice and help is welcomed as
> are you to Lubuntu. I look forward to working with you and the Lubuntu
> Community.
>
> Best Regards,
> David Yentzen
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph <
>> l...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lubuntu friends!
>>>
>>>
>> Hello Lyz :)
>>
>> Welcome to Lubuntu :)
>> It is a pleasure to have you here!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Some of you may know me from the Ubuntu and Xubuntu communities. I’m
>>> currently a member of the Ubuntu Community Council and have served as
>>> web and marketing lead for the Xubuntu team for the past couple
>>> cycles. I also run Lubuntu on my old PPC-based laptop :)
>>>
>>
>> Despite it was a short time but it was great experience to be with
>> Xubuntu Team and hope I could find the time and make my next experience
>> last for longer time :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> A few days ago I had the opportunity to chat with Ali about the status
>>> of the Lubuntu project and offered to give some feedback over these
>>> next few months to help out the team.
>>>
>>
>> Was a great and positive chat, thanks once more for your time, much
>> appreciated :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I don’t really have any immediate suggestions as I’m just getting to
>>> know the team, so I just wanted to say hello and offer assistance as
>>> advice is required given my experience with other projects. I
>>> certainly don’t know everything about running healthy communities, but
>>> I do hope you will find value as I work to pitch in on threads where
>>> general feedback is requested. Feel free to also reach out to me
>>> directly, I’ll also be hanging out in #lubuntu on freenode as pleia2.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
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>>
>> Being around and offering any kind of help or advice is definitely a plus
>> specially if this will come from someone with your high skills and long
>> experience with Ubuntu Communities ... and I am sure our Lubuntu Friends
>> will be so glad that you are here :)
>>
>> Thank you so much and have a great time!
>> Your help and support are highly needed and appreciated :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Rafael Laguna]

I could do that, because you're tool does all my tweak mockup showed, and a few 
things more. Just adding more tabs to my mockup and filling with your tool ;) 

http://imgur.com/NkaA0eJ

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Israel]

On 11/21/2013 02:04 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
> 2013/11/21 JM mailto:me...@gmx.fr>>
>
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:34:00 -0200
> Iberê Fernandes  > wrote:
>
> > Mélodie,
> >
> > Regarding lxsession edit, I agree with you: I'm still fighting to
> > understand it. (I'm a Lubuntu user since 11.10)
> >
> > However, some other folks seems to have got how it works:
> >
> 
> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html
> >
> > "Though Lubuntu is yet to get an LXDE control center like PCLinuxOS
> > LXDE or ROSA and the settings items are scattered through Menu ->
> > Preferences. Another interesting addition I saw is the Default
> > applications for LXSession entry in Preferences. Earlier adding any
> > program to autostart in LXDE would mean hitting the terminal.
> But, now
> > with this option, adding programs to autostart (from Running or
> > Launching applications and/or directly adding an entry to autostart)
> > has become a lot easier. Further, settings give options of changing
> > default DE, adding Gnome Dbus and/or setting up Lubuntu in laptop
> > mode. I like Lubuntu more than any of the previous versions that I
> > have used."
> >
> > Well, that's the blogger opinion... not mine though.
> >
> > Just wanted to share a different point of view.
>
>
> Hello,
> An opinion which is nice to read at but which unfortunately
> doesn't bring the first clue
> about what in that bench of buttons does what. :?
>
> 
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DI5LLU4D2Go/UmJo43HBJaI/Isw/tCuJsz9jCGc/s912/lxsession-default-apps_029.png
>
>
> Well, I'm completely agree with the actual design of
> lxsession-default-app, for now is more a debug tool, that a real user
> tool. One of my goal for this cycle is to make it better. I worked
> more on the backend than on the UI last cycle. Again (I probably said
> it a couple of times already), any UI input are welcomed.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
UI input:

Tooltips, and some sort of "help" would be extremely useful!  There were
a few options that seemed unclear.  Some of the options are vague. (this
is the most needed area).

Using icons to show what each option means would be very helpful as a
visual reference

And to be candid, the UI is not extremely pretty.  There is no way to
save or import a preconfigured set of apps/ actions.

It is also completely unclear where these settings are saved.  They are
not in ~/.config/autostart (which is where I used to put xcompmgr, and
thunar-volman, for DVD playback)

Are you making the frontend in Qt (for future LXQt)?  The Ubuntu SDK is
very easy to make front ends, and you can use a lot of premade buttons,
and other things to make it look nice.  It might be worth considering
using the SDK to develop some of the configuration tools.
QProgram (if I remember... not much of a Qt person, yet) can even launch
external programs.  This could make a full System Settings/Control Panel
type program.  If you don't like this idea, please help me understand
the short comings, I am not extremely familiar with the Qt framework, or
if these SDK apps would work for the desktop or not.

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When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[海鑫电脑]

I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux 
destros.


Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for 
me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone 
tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.


So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Israel]

Thanks for taking time to improve Lubuntu.
It would be helpful if you described in detail what you mean by "sound
event excellent". Are there certain types of sounds you miss from Win98?
Are you interested in improving this (recording specific sounds to be
used) and helping get them integrated into Lubuntu/LXDE, or are you
simply displeased with the default sounds?
I generally disable sound events on my computer, but it seems as though
the Lubuntu sounds are from Gnome (not sure if libcanberra dependencies
still exist), though I could easily be mistaken here.
You can easily turn off the sounds from the lxappearance app "Customize
Look and Feel" The 'Other' tab will let you turn off the sounds.

On 11/21/2013 08:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:
> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
> destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for
> me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe
> someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?
>
>


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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[海鑫电脑]

Thank you Israel.

I mean, when i login lubuntu, there should play a shot but beautiful 
music; when i logout or shutdown or reboot lubuntu, there also is a shot 
and beautiful music to play; when i click menus , there should be a shot 
and beautiful sound to play; when i do wrong or danger things , lubuntu 
not only show me a warning box but also play a shot sound to warn me.


Do you understand me? For commonly user, we need fast, beautiful UI, 
also, we need enjoy the every click through the system sound :_)



On 2013/11/22 12:59, Israel wrote:

Thanks for taking time to improve Lubuntu.
It would be helpful if you described in detail what you mean by "sound
event excellent". Are there certain types of sounds you miss from Win98?
Are you interested in improving this (recording specific sounds to be
used) and helping get them integrated into Lubuntu/LXDE, or are you
simply displeased with the default sounds?
I generally disable sound events on my computer, but it seems as though
the Lubuntu sounds are from Gnome (not sure if libcanberra dependencies
still exist), though I could easily be mistaken here.
You can easily turn off the sounds from the lxappearance app "Customize
Look and Feel" The 'Other' tab will let you turn off the sounds.

On 11/21/2013 08:58 PM, 海鑫电脑 wrote:

I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
destros.

Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for
me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe
someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.

So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?








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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Salama]

But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.

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2 suggestions; Diodon and numlockx

[Eric Bradshaw]

My apologies in advance if these things have already been addressed, but
I hope to see a couple of basic (what I think most new Lubuntu users
expect) features added to Lubuntu:

1. A simple clipboard manager. Parcellite doesn't seem to work. If you
copy a command from say, a web page in Firefox, but close the page
before pasting it into LXTerminal - it disappears. C4C includes Diodon
for this reason. The following is a discussion about it on the LXDE
Forum - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=36214

2. Automatic number locking. You have to hit the number lock key before
using the keypad and it doesn't stick after a reboot. C4C includes
numlockx for this reason, but there is a command line edit too. The
following is a discussion about it on the Ubuntu Forums -
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888266

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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[海鑫电脑]

ErMaybe you are not a common user. A common user is who don't know 
develeoping or programming or administration, like me :)


Technophiles  like efficiency, but common users need enjoy a system. 
Silent running can deeply touch the common user's heart


On 2013/11/22 14:00, Salama wrote:

But why??.. I really disliked the Login sound in Windows when I was a
windows user!
Lubuntu Booting & Login should be - by default - Fast and Silent.




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Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM, 海鑫电脑  wrote:

> I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux
> destros.
>
> Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for me,but
> in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone tell me
> that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse.
>
> So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events?


Hi,

I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right now
but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the last two
years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed before but it
is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is good to discuss and
communicate :)

Feel Free to start a blueprint here:
https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming

Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added because
that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu.

But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :)

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Re: 2 suggestions; Diodon and numlockx

[Jackson Doak]

1. I'm not sure if it would work, but can you try clipit? (the version from
trusty, not saucy)
2. This is more opinion IMHO


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Eric Bradshaw <
ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:

> My apologies in advance if these things have already been addressed, but
> I hope to see a couple of basic (what I think most new Lubuntu users
> expect) features added to Lubuntu:
>
> 1. A simple clipboard manager. Parcellite doesn't seem to work. If you
> copy a command from say, a web page in Firefox, but close the page
> before pasting it into LXTerminal - it disappears. C4C includes Diodon
> for this reason. The following is a discussion about it on the LXDE
> Forum - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=36214
>
> 2. Automatic number locking. You have to hit the number lock key before
> using the keypad and it doesn't stick after a reboot. C4C includes
> numlockx for this reason, but there is a command line edit too. The
> following is a discussion about it on the Ubuntu Forums -
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888266
>
> Eric
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Re: 2 suggestions; Diodon and numlockx

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi :)

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Eric Bradshaw <
ericbrads...@computers4christians.org> wrote:

> My apologies in advance if these things have already been addressed,


Indeed, these are topics we discussed many times before but it is totally
fine to re-discuss that to keep a healthy environment where people 'do
communicate' with each other :)  this is after all the point to have a
mailing list :)


but
> I hope to see a couple of basic (what I think most new Lubuntu users
> expect) features added to Lubuntu:
>
> 1. A simple clipboard manager. Parcellite doesn't seem to work. If you
> copy a command from say, a web page in Firefox, but close the page
> before pasting it into LXTerminal - it disappears. C4C includes Diodon
> for this reason. The following is a discussion about it on the LXDE
> Forum - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=36214
>

For me, everything works fine and we have done that starting from 12.04 or
12.10 - can't really remember now but everything works fine at least with
me :)



>
> 2. Automatic number locking. You have to hit the number lock key before
> using the keypad and it doesn't stick after a reboot. C4C includes
> numlockx for this reason, but there is a command line edit too. The
> following is a discussion about it on the Ubuntu Forums -
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888266
>

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1072114




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