Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 Andre Rodovalho :
> If I close Power Manager: xfce4-power-manager -q
>
> And close laptop screen, same thing, entering wait mode!
>
>
> 2013/10/28 Andre Rodovalho 
>>
>> I'm using amd64, I update from 13.03, and I can tell Power Manager on my
>> laptop is not working as should too...
>>
>> I set configuration to do nothing when laptop screen is closed, but It is
>> entering wait mode...
>>
>> Is there something to define manualy to get this behavior?
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/19 Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Any good reason why Xfce 4 Power Manager is not running by default?
>>>
>>> http://i40.tinypic.com/213hh94.jpg
>>>
>>> This is new. A week ago while I was testing Lubuntu 13.10 amd64,
>>> everything was normal. It seems a last minute change.
>>>
>>> This is on both i386 and amd64.
>>>
>>> Is this a new feature? or a bug to be reported?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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http://askubuntu.com/questions/360520/lubuntu-how-do-i-autostart-xfce4-power-manager

Open Preferences → Default applications for LXSession.
Go to the autostart tab.
Change the option "Disable autostarted applications" from config-only to no.

Note that you need to disable "network" from Prefereces-->Desktop
Session Settings or you will have two nm-applet running at the same
time.

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Any good reason why Xfce 4 Power Manager is not running by default?
>
> http://i40.tinypic.com/213hh94.jpg
>
> This is new. A week ago while I was testing Lubuntu 13.10 amd64,
> everything was normal. It seems a last minute change.
>
> This is on both i386 and amd64.
>
> Is this a new feature? or a bug to be reported?
>
> Thanks!
>


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ZRAM, vm.swappiness and the future

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-26 20:37, Leszek Lesner wrote:
> As some of you know there were some discussions on this mailinglist
> regarding zram and vm.swappiness.
> In this mail I want to write down all I know and learned about zram,
> vm.swappiness and its cooperation.
> This is intend as a help and a starting point for discussions for the
> next release of Lubuntu which will be an LTS.
> 
> I have to thank Mélodie for the discussions about vm.swappiness which
> made me dig deeper and deeper into it.
> And I have to say I was wrong at least partly :P
> 
> So before talking about ZRAM a small comprehensive introduction what it is.
> ZRAM is a compressed virtual swap device that lives in RAM. With this it
> is possible to use and store more memory
> that is physically available. It is used by Lubuntu in 13.10 by default.
> 
> What is vm.swappiness ? That is a far more complicated thing to explain.
> Simply speaking it controls the balance between swapping out runtime
> memory,
> as opposed to dropping pages from the system page cache. It can have a
> value from 0 to 100.
> A lower value means that it will try not to swap out page cache but keep
> it in memory.
> A high value means try to more aggressively swap out unused page memory.
> 
> A discussion was started if Lubuntu should lower down the vm.swappiness
> value or even set it down to 0
> to improve system performance and responsiveness.
> In my initial thought that I could give a universal answer on this topic
> but I was wrong.
> There a several scenarios we need to take a look at to see that there is
> not an universal answer on this.
> 
> == The classical situation (before 13.10): ==
> * RAM + SWAP (on HDD)
> 
> The RAM is backed up by a SWAP partition or SWAP file which is stored on
> a harddrive or ssd.
> As we all know disk i/o is a lot slower than RAM. On older machines and
> slower disks this could lead to noticable
> lags while swapping. But also on normal machines it is noticable. So for
> this scenario it would be nice to tell the
> kernel to avoid swapping as much as possible to avoid this bottleneck.
> A low vm.swappiness or even 0 is a good setting here as the kernel keeps
> filling the ram until it is almost full and then
> starts swapping out which could make the system laggy for a few seconds
> and while writing data to swap. So there is an unavoidable
> bottleneck here but there is also the possibility that with enough ram
> and a low memory footprint of the apps and desktop that
> the user will not reach the point of swapping.
> 
> == The new modern situation (with 13.10¹): ==
> * RAM + ZRAM
> 
> The RAM is backed up by a SWAP partition which is stored on a virtual
> compressed ram device. Under Lubuntu
> 13.10 this device can use half of the physically available memory.
> Writing and reading to and from RAM is a hell lot faster than to disk
> (even to an SSD). This means there is no bootlneck
> when the system swaps out to ZRAM with its default swappiness settings.
> Setting the swappiness lower here would make a change but
> a very minor only (noticable only via benchmarks). And lowering it here
> might lead to a faster reaching of the second
> bottleneck. So avoiding swapping and letting the RAM be filled and
> swapping late especially when RAM is very full will slow down the
> system and produces noticable lags. Those lags might be even harder in
> this case because the pages need to be compressed into RAM and
> when new pages need to be placed into RAM at the same time this might
> lead to a long cpu 100% compressing decompressing moving loop.
> Letting the swappiness at default (60) or even set it higher to 100
> would help avoid this bottleneck as swapping early would avoid
> RAM running full too fast.
> Whats the downside ?
> The CPU has to compress and decompress more often (don't worry even a
> Pentium 3 is very fast at it) and this causes more wake up times
> for the CPU. (perhaps a downside for those who want to save every little
> watt of there notebook battery)
> 
> == The combination of both situations : ==
> * RAM + ZRAM + SWAP (on HDD)
> 
> The RAM is backed up by ZRAM and a SWAP partition/file. This is an usual
> setting if you have very low RAM (like 256/512MB or 1 GB).
> By default ZRAM is as Swap device has a higher priority than the swap
> partition/file on hd. The swapping mechanism now works very clevely
> and swaps out first and by default early to zram first until its full.
> Then it will start swapping to hdd.
> This will lead us to our bottleneck nr.1 again but in contrast to the
> classical situation (scenario 1) it will get there a lot later :)
> So is there a possibility to avoid this bottleneck by changing the
> swappiness ? No not really.
> Swappiness low would lead too faster filling in memory which will lead
> (especially on low memory systems) lead to bootlneck 2 which tends
> to make the system a lot laggier than bottleneck 1.
> Setting swappiness higher here would be also only work until ZRAM is
> filled and t

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Federico,

I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)

OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less memory-greedy
gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare to make
xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that xz is
slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs more
than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
highest priority?

And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
outside of disk hd0" and PATA.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-27 16:10, Federico Leoni wrote:
> Hi Nio,
> 
> I successfully "transplanted" a tarball created with my P3 notebook
> starting from the tarball of Lubuntu 13.10 for the OBI installer.  The
> target was my netbook, an Hp Mini 1030nr with 16 Gb SSD and 2gb ram
> (specs here http://phillw.net/hardware/bqba4zbd).  All worked fine, I've
> installed the system in less than 10 minutes already configured for my
> needs.
> The unique observation is about the compression: please let the
> installer create xz tarball as default.
> 
> About the "Attempt to read or write outside of disk hd0" issue seems it
> happens just with PATA disk/controller as is my note. On my netbook and
> desktop, both with a SATA setup, the error never shows. I'll investigate
> more deeply.
> 
> F.
> 
> Em 25/10/2013 18:38, "Federico Leoni"  > escreveu:
> 
> I'll already tried to manage fstab and grub on  OBI installer but
> didn't work. The error si still here... Perhaps with boot repair but I
> need to install a graphical interface. I'll try now.
> F.
> 
> 2013/10/25 Nio Wiklund  >:
> > Yes, Federico.
> >
> > That issue at AskUbuntu is similar, but unfortunately there is no
> reply
> > or solution yet. I will have a second look at it. And maybe the
> problem
> > will disappear, when I upgrade the OBI from the present 13.04
> version to
> > 13.10.
> >
> > The system behind the OBI was make with the 13.04 mini.iso, and can be
> > managed with apt-get and other command line tools. You can test that
> > too, if you like, and try to repair it with e2fsck -f. You can even
> > install lubuntu-core or lubuntu-desktop if the USB drive is big enough
> > and integrate a graphical desktop environment with the OBI. But
> > obviously, more RAM will be necessary for it to work properly.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> > On 2013-10-25 21:12, Federico Leoni wrote:
> >> Nio, I've forgot to say I'm looking informations for the error
> >> "Attempt to read or write outside of disk hd0"  that seems related
> >> with grub config for me.
> >>
> >> No luck till now but I found a question (without answer for now) to a
> >> very similar situation even if the structure of the usb disk is
> >> different:
> >>
> >>
> 
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360659/attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-disk-hd0-problem
> >>
> >> F.
> >>
> >> 2013/10/25 Federico Leoni  >:
> >>> Ok. Just for the sake of the developer, Ubuntu gnome 12.04, and the
> >>> derivates Bodhi Linux 2.3.0 and lxle doesn't work on my notebook.
> >>> Md5sums were correct but, as already told, this release of ubuntu
> >>> always gave me problems with the integrated video (i830)...
> >>> Lubuntu, tarballs are working fine, I did not test kubuntu or other
> >>> version of ubuntu.
> >>>
> >>> Just my 2c.
> >>>
> >>> F.
> >>>
> >>> 2013/10/25 Nio Wiklund  >:
>  On 2013-10-25 13:36, Federico Leoni wrote:
> > 2013/10/25 Nio Wiklund  
> > >>
> >
> >>> About the usb script (mkusb v4), my fault didn't read this:
> >>>
> >>> 7. Alternative to running the tasks 4-6 above: use mkusb
> >>
> >> Would you suggest that I put the suggestion to use mkusb
> first (before
> >> the manual method)?
> >
> > Definitely. The script is good and quite easy to follow.
> >
> >>> I recreated the usb (this time without a keystroke) with
> >>> GnomeClassic1204-oem.tar.xz tarball. Took 7 minutes with a
> 4GB SanDisk
> >>> Cruzer Edge but it seems this file isn't working with OBI:
> when I
> >>> select it an error appears but it's too fast to read.
> >>> I've already used oem configuration in the past, so for me
> is good to
> >>> go. Way better.
> >>
> >> So you suggest using OEM install.
> >
> > Yes, because after a complete install is normal for an average
> user to
> > create a new user/pass. But skilled used will love too!
> >
> 

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] ZRAM, vm.swappiness and the future

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am 26.10.2013 20:37, schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> == The new modern situation (with 13.10¹): ==
> * RAM + ZRAM
>
> The RAM is backed up by a SWAP partition which is stored on a virtual
> compressed ram device. Under Lubuntu
> 13.10 this device can use half of the physically available memory.
> Writing and reading to and from RAM is a hell lot faster than to disk
> (even to an SSD). This means there is no bootlneck
> when the system swaps out to ZRAM with its default swappiness settings.
> Setting the swappiness lower here would make a change but
> a very minor only (noticable only via benchmarks). And lowering it here
> might lead to a faster reaching of the second
> bottleneck. So avoiding swapping and letting the RAM be filled and
> swapping late especially when RAM is very full will slow down the
> system and produces noticable lags. Those lags might be even harder in
> this case because the pages need to be compressed into RAM and
> when new pages need to be placed into RAM at the same time this might
> lead to a long cpu 100% compressing decompressing moving loop.
> Letting the swappiness at default (60) or even set it higher to 100
> would help avoid this bottleneck as swapping early would avoid
> RAM running full too fast.
I can completely conform this. I did an experiment, because I have to
set up an old notebook in the next days, which only has 256 Megs of RAM
and is a working machine. Of course, the background is the EOL of WinXP.
There needs to be running a software called "ElsterFormular" which is
needed for the tax office in germany if you are self-employed. Funny
thing: you need Wine to run it - but there exists a linux version which
nobody can download because they say it is too expensive for them! But
that's another story.

ElsterFormular is quite big right now, so ZRAM is a lot of help. I set
up a VM and tried if everything would work. I just saw that it worked
and _then_ I tried to reduce the swappiness - I think I set it to 15 or
20, but I'm not 100% sure which of this it was. I didn't measure the
time, but at least it was twice as much time, likely more.
>
> So all in all when you see this scenarios I have to say that the default
> value of swappiness 60 makes the most sense as the default value
> of lubuntu. Changing it for the next release is something I would not
> recommend.
>
All in all, I second that.

Jörn

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  Videos, wiki pages, warning text at the downloading sites. But above
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  not be too time-consuming to make such an improvement. Some people need
  to sit down and check what has been misunderstood and try to imagine
  what can be misunderstood by beginners. Those descriptions and
  instructions need to be rewritten. In a second step it is important to
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  [nio] All actions to reduce the risk of losing data are valuable.
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  all, the text in the installer itself needs improvement, and it should
  not be too time-consuming to make such an improvement. Some people need
  to sit down and check what has been misunderstood and try to imagine
  what can be misunderstood by beginners. Those descriptions and
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Federico Leoni]

Updated the bug report with my infos. :)

F.

2013/10/28 Ali Linx (amjjawad) :
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any good reason why Xfce 4 Power Manager is not running by default?
>>
>> http://i40.tinypic.com/213hh94.jpg
>>
>> This is new. A week ago while I was testing Lubuntu 13.10 amd64,
>> everything was normal. It seems a last minute change.
>>
>> This is on both i386 and amd64.
>>
>> Is this a new feature? or a bug to be reported?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1242452
>
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Dear Everyone,

For the last week or so, despite the fact that I was sick, I worked so hard
on the Brainstorming Area and I'd like to announce that the initial
preparation has been done and the area is Ready To Go :)

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming

40 different idea/suggestions - thanks to everyone who participated so far
to put these all together :)

>From my side, I think I have nothing more to add. From the Brainstorming
Team's side, the team is doing a great job and up to any task :)

Now, it is maybe time for other teams or the whole Lubuntu Team to decide
when someone can look more carefully and seriously at the 40 ideas :)

Let me know if you need anything!

Thank you and have a great day/night :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Andre Rodovalho]

This workaround does not work for me. Maybe because I updated from 13.04?

I see no "Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it
now?" message too...

Reading I found that maybe blocking lidbtn action, handled by acpi might
solve the problem... and trying to find something like this for Lubuntu I
found this:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/363795/closing-laptop-lid-suspends-lubuntu-since-upgrade

And works for me!

Thanks!


2013/10/28 Federico Leoni 

> Updated the bug report with my infos. :)
>
> F.
>
> 2013/10/28 Ali Linx (amjjawad) :
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Any good reason why Xfce 4 Power Manager is not running by default?
> >>
> >> http://i40.tinypic.com/213hh94.jpg
> >>
> >> This is new. A week ago while I was testing Lubuntu 13.10 amd64,
> >> everything was normal. It seems a last minute change.
> >>
> >> This is on both i386 and amd64.
> >>
> >> Is this a new feature? or a bug to be reported?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1242452
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 Andre Rodovalho :
> This workaround does not work for me. Maybe because I updated from 13.04?
>
> I see no "Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it now?"
> message too...
>
> Reading I found that maybe blocking lidbtn action, handled by acpi might
> solve the problem... and trying to find something like this for Lubuntu I
> found this:
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/363795/closing-laptop-lid-suspends-lubuntu-since-upgrade
>
> And works for me!
>
> Thanks!
>

Andre,

I didn't upgrade from 13.04, so I don't know if is related...

A stupid question: did you enable Power Manager on Desktop session
settings tool after the new configuration of default application for
lxsession?
And did you try the setting posted by Ali too?

On Facebook Group, this workaround has been posted:

Menu > Preferences > default application for LXsession > Power Manager
> Other > xfce4-power-manager > Apply > Reboot.

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Andre Rodovalho]

Yes Federico, It was already enable actually...

I tried the Ali workaround too... I could normally boot with power manager,
I enabled the icon to be shown always to check that out...


2013/10/28 Federico Leoni 

> 2013/10/28 Andre Rodovalho :
> > This workaround does not work for me. Maybe because I updated from 13.04?
> >
> > I see no "Xfce4 Power Manager is not running, do you want to launch it
> now?"
> > message too...
> >
> > Reading I found that maybe blocking lidbtn action, handled by acpi might
> > solve the problem... and trying to find something like this for Lubuntu I
> > found this:
> >
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/363795/closing-laptop-lid-suspends-lubuntu-since-upgrade
> >
> > And works for me!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
> Andre,
>
> I didn't upgrade from 13.04, so I don't know if is related...
>
> A stupid question: did you enable Power Manager on Desktop session
> settings tool after the new configuration of default application for
> lxsession?
> And did you try the setting posted by Ali too?
>
> On Facebook Group, this workaround has been posted:
>
> Menu > Preferences > default application for LXsession > Power Manager
> > Other > xfce4-power-manager > Apply > Reboot.
>
> F.
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund :
> Hi Federico,
>
> I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)
>
> OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less memory-greedy
> gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare to make
> xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that xz is
> slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs more
> than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
> highest priority?
>
> And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
> outside of disk hd0" and PATA.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>

Well Nio,

a small size on the usb drive it's better I think. but If you prefer
fast compression (and thinking about it should be the better choice
for old computers) at least you could add an advanced option to choose
the type of compression and the name of the tarball.

Let me know.

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Federico and Nio,

That makes sense to me :)

Regards,

Phill.



On 28 October 2013 16:44, Federico Leoni  wrote:

> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund :
> > Hi Federico,
> >
> > I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)
> >
> > OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less memory-greedy
> > gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare to make
> > xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that xz is
> > slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs more
> > than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
> > highest priority?
> >
> > And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
> > outside of disk hd0" and PATA.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
>
> Well Nio,
>
> a small size on the usb drive it's better I think. but If you prefer
> fast compression (and thinking about it should be the better choice
> for old computers) at least you could add an advanced option to choose
> the type of compression and the name of the tarball.
>
> Let me know.
>
> F.
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [13.10] Xfce4 Power Manager

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 John Hupp :
> The work-around sort of works for me (changing Menu > Preferences > Default
> Applications for LXsession > Power Manager: auto, to Power Manager: Other:
> xfce4-power-manager, then Apply and Reboot).
>
> But I found that it had to be applied *for each user*.
>
> -
>
> And a further problem: I like to set the action for pressing the Power
> button to Shutdown, but that option is not currently offered for either of
> the two existing users.
>
> When I first ran into this problem (encountering the "Power Manager is not
> running" sort of prompt, and choosing Run), I found that sometimes the
> Shutdown choice *was* offered, and I set it then for both users.
>
> It seems that pressing the Power button usually produces a shutdown now, but
> I think that at least on one occasion doing so in a session with the second
> user produced the prompt that one would see when setting that choice to Ask
> rather than Shutdown.
>
> --
>
> And related: Federico, I note in a comment on Bug 1242452:
>
> I was troubleshooting another Autostart problem (with SpiderOak online
> backup) and was looking for Preferences-->Desktop Session Settings, but find
> that it is not present.
>
> My current assumption is that Preferences-->Default Applications for
> LXSession somehow incorporates and replaces Desktop Session Settings, but I
> have not figured out how to use it for that purpose yet.
>
> Or its absence is also a bug.
>
> This machine has a fresh full install of Saucy.  Federico, did you *upgrade*
> to Saucy and perhaps thereby preserve Desktop Session Settings?
>
> [This behavior may deserve a separate thread.]
>
> --
>
> I'll post separately about the SpiderOak problem, though it seems related.
>

Nope, I'm on a fresh install of Ubuntu 13.10. For sure the default
application for Lxsession and the desktop session settings are
overlapping. I'll dig too on bug 1242452 to see if I find something
useful.

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-28 17:44, Federico Leoni wrote:
> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund :
>> Hi Federico,
>>
>> I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)
>>
>> OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less memory-greedy
>> gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare to make
>> xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that xz is
>> slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs more
>> than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
>> highest priority?
>>
>> And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
>> outside of disk hd0" and PATA.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
> 
> Well Nio,
> 
> a small size on the usb drive it's better I think. but If you prefer
> fast compression (and thinking about it should be the better choice
> for old computers) at least you could add an advanced option to choose
> the type of compression and the name of the tarball.
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> F.
> 
It is possible already, when you exit to the bash shell, so maybe it is
not urgent. I agree there should be choices in a dialog screen
(compression method as well as the name of the target file.) I think
also choice of source partition should be possible at that dialog screen.

I think the most urgent improvement is to make a Lubuntu 13.10 OEM
tarball. Would you agree or where do you think I should start?

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Federico Leoni]

OEM!
I'm ready to test. :D

F.

2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund :
> On 2013-10-28 17:44, Federico Leoni wrote:
>> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund :
>>> Hi Federico,
>>>
>>> I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)
>>>
>>> OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less memory-greedy
>>> gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare to make
>>> xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that xz is
>>> slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs more
>>> than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
>>> highest priority?
>>>
>>> And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
>>> outside of disk hd0" and PATA.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>
>> Well Nio,
>>
>> a small size on the usb drive it's better I think. but If you prefer
>> fast compression (and thinking about it should be the better choice
>> for old computers) at least you could add an advanced option to choose
>> the type of compression and the name of the tarball.
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>> F.
>>
> It is possible already, when you exit to the bash shell, so maybe it is
> not urgent. I agree there should be choices in a dialog screen
> (compression method as well as the name of the target file.) I think
> also choice of source partition should be possible at that dialog screen.
>
> I think the most urgent improvement is to make a Lubuntu 13.10 OEM
> tarball. Would you agree or where do you think I should start?
>
> Best regards
> Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] One Button Installer improved with dialog menus and xz compression

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill,

Do you mean to have a choice in a screen (made with the dialog software
package), or do you mean to focus on xz for high compression, and let it
be slower? (xz need more RAM than gzip, but *not* too much.)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-28 18:07, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hi Federico and Nio,
> 
> That makes sense to me :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 October 2013 16:44, Federico Leoni  > wrote:
> 
> 2013/10/28 Nio Wiklund  >:
> > Hi Federico,
> >
> > I'm glad that your system is portable via the tarball :-)
> >
> > OK, I was conservative, and kept the simple, fast and less
> memory-greedy
> > gzip compression, but I listen to your advice, so I will prepare
> to make
> > xz compression standard in the next version. I guess you know that
> xz is
> > slower expanding (maybe 25%) and much slower compressing (it needs
> more
> > than the double time), and you still want to because small size is
> > highest priority?
> >
> > And thanks for the observation about the "Attempt to read or write
> > outside of disk hd0" and PATA.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> 
> Well Nio,
> 
> a small size on the usb drive it's better I think. but If you prefer
> fast compression (and thinking about it should be the better choice
> for old computers) at least you could add an advanced option to choose
> the type of compression and the name of the tarball.
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> F.
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[Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[Federico Leoni]

What do you use instead of lxkemap on Lubuntu 13.10? I found
complicated set a different keyboard layout without the applet on the
panel...

Am I missing something?

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

have a read of
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard#Keyboard_mapping_for_13.10_and_beyond

Regards,

Phill.


On 28 October 2013 17:42, Federico Leoni  wrote:

> What do you use instead of lxkemap on Lubuntu 13.10? I found
> complicated set a different keyboard layout without the applet on the
> panel...
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> F.
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[Aere Greenway]

On 10/28/2013 11:42 AM, Federico Leoni wrote:

What do you use instead of lxkemap on Lubuntu 13.10? I found
complicated set a different keyboard layout without the applet on the
panel...

Am I missing something?

F.


Federico:

It looks like you have to right-click on the task-bar, and add the 
"Keyboard Layout Handler".  I think it doesn't put it in the taskbar if 
you have only one keyboard layout, which is the case with me where I 
only have US Dvorak.


After adding it, you have to right-click on it, and clear the "Keep 
system layouts" check-box (that was the missing step that gave me 
problems initially).  Then you can add the layout you want, and after 
doing so, move it to the top of the list.


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 Aere Greenway :
> On 10/28/2013 11:42 AM, Federico Leoni wrote:
>>
>> What do you use instead of lxkemap on Lubuntu 13.10? I found
>> complicated set a different keyboard layout without the applet on the
>> panel...
>>
>> Am I missing something?
>>
>> F.
>>
> Federico:
>
> It looks like you have to right-click on the task-bar, and add the "Keyboard
> Layout Handler".  I think it doesn't put it in the taskbar if you have only
> one keyboard layout, which is the case with me where I only have US Dvorak.
>
> After adding it, you have to right-click on it, and clear the "Keep system
> layouts" check-box (that was the missing step that gave me problems
> initially).  Then you can add the layout you want, and after doing so, move
> it to the top of the list.
>
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> Aere
>

Phill and Aere,
thanks but the problem is I don't want to populate my panel with many
applets. I would like to summon the keyboard mapping app from the menu
and I don't understand why there isn't a direct link...

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[Federico Leoni]

2013/10/28 Alexis Lopez Zubieta :
> Hello:
>
> Take a look to "lxkb-config" at https://github.com/azubieta/lxkb_config. It 
> may be what you are looking for.
>

Alexis the point is, why I have to install a package outside our repos
when I should have all I need already installed? In this case is
better back to the old lxkeymap... Anyway I'll stay with the applet
for now.

F.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] lxkeymap

[JM]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:50:27 -0200
Federico Leoni  wrote:

> 2013/10/28 Alexis Lopez Zubieta :
> > Hello:
> >
> > Take a look to "lxkb-config" at https://github.com/azubieta/lxkb_config. It 
> > may be
> > what you are looking for.


> Alexis the point is, why I have to install a package outside our repos
> when I should have all I need already installed? In this case is
> better back to the old lxkeymap... Anyway I'll stay with the applet
> for now.
> 
> F.

Hi,
I am not sure whether or not Lubuntu does stick to the Lxde philosophy 
regarding a suite
of tools which can be used together or independently?

I think having at least in the repositories a user interface which works would 
be nice :
in an Openbox (almost standalone) in 12.04, lxkeymap does not work, it changes 
the 
setup but just for the session and does not keep it after. (I didn't retry it 
since a few
months though)

I tweaked a little desktop file with a long command line in it for this purpose:
*
Exec=gksu "xterm -maximized -e 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration'"

*

http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/Configurations/System/usr/share/applications/keyboard-configuration.desktop

Does "lxkb-config" work well? Is it easy to use?

Regards,
Mélodie



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