Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

But I have to remind you that the Pentium M and Celeron M bug is still
alive. It seems I have to make a Saucy Lubuntu fake-PAE edition too.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447

Best regards
Nio


On 2013-10-17 08:55, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> saucy-desktop-amd64.iso - continued testing
> 
> - I have tried installing to a whole disk (in KVM), and it worked
> without any problems at all :-)
> 
> -o-
> 
> - I have used 'something else' at the partitioning table (in my
> Toshiba), and report the following.
> 
> The installation (including shrinking a partition, making a new
> (logical) one and selecting swap and selecting where to put the
> bootloader) was fine, but restart afterwards did not succeed. It stopped
> in text mode with the message
> 
> * Asking all remaining processes to terminate...  [OK]
> 
> Actually, it was waiting for 'Enter' to continue (to reboot), but there
> was no message.
> 
> - grey bug 966480
> 
> The installed system works as expected :-)
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-10-17 06:58, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> Hi Nio,
>>
>> mention the bugs as 'grey' bugs so that we can pick them up for the
>> release notes. I do, however, think that they are not particular to
>> lubuntu but owe their cause to ubiquity for the in ability to 'see' the
>> other drive (try using the alternate installer to prove / dis prove this
>> theory). For the Live issue, I'm not sure I've cc'd Nicholas (TL for
>> ubuntu qa / testing) to inform him and ask his opinion on them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 17 October 2013 05:43, Nio Wiklund > > wrote:
>>
>> Next re-spin tested:
>>
>> Re: Install (auto-resize) in Lubuntu Desktop i386 for Saucy Daily
>>
>> bug 1240532 is wiped but bug 1240622 is still alive, so it won't let me
>> install on the internal drive, device /dev/sda. But I can install
>> side-by-side on the USB 3 drive, device /dev/sdb.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> In the live session the bugs after logout are still alive. I cannot
>> change session or use my selected language.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> On 2013-10-16 19:15, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> > Good, I filed a bug for the 'first one'
>> >
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1240622
>> >
>> > and used your number for the 'second one'
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Nio
>> >
>> > ps/ Please add 'affects me too' (if it does affect you) /ds
>> >
>> > On 2013-10-16 19:03, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> >> Those look like the bugs under discussion now.
>> >>
>> >> the 2nd one is
>> >> at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1240532 I've
>> not got
>> >> the 1st one to hand.
>> >>
>> >> Have a look
>> >> on
>> 
>> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/iso-testing-open-saucy-bug-tasks.html
>> which
>> >> gets refreshed every hour.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Phill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 16 October 2013 17:37, Nio Wiklund > 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> + It is possible to select sizes graphically and the sizes
>> are written
>> >> with big digits
>> >>
>> >> - /dev/sda cannot be selected for installation side by side
>> (an SSD),
>> >> only /dev/sdb (a USB3-HDD)
>> >>
>> >> - The options to 'install now'  and 'go back' are greyed out,
>> only
>> >> 'quit' is available to select.
>> >>
>> >> Are there bug numbers for these bugs already?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] USB Creator GTK - Consolekit - Mounting/Unmounting devices

[Nio Wiklund]

... and a second short comment:

Today I needed several attempts including logout/login to manage to use
usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy i386 to create a persistent Lubuntu
Saucy amd64 pendrive :-(

But finally I succeeded and the persistent drive works :-)

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-15 08:34, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Just a short comment:
> 
> I tested the usb-creator-gtk in Saucy (yesterday's version) now. I had
> to use it twice (both times wiping with 'Erase disk') to succeed. The
> first time it crashed early, the second time it created a good boot
> drive (from the Lubuntu Saucy 32-bit desktop iso) and then crashed with
> segmentation fault.
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-10-15 06:21, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> See these links for making USB boot drives
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
>>
>> And about usb-creator-gtk in Saucy: it is buggy, but this way I succeed
>> to make *persistent live* drives with usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy.
>>
>> Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a partition
>> and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!
>>
>> Alternatives are to install Kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or
>> Unetbootin (as well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> On 2013-10-14 22:47, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>> The USB installers have been pretty much broken all cycle. Last I heard
>>> was to use dd. Nothing will now get fixed before release. If people have
>>> a decent set of instructions using *any* usb installer to use 13.04 to
>>> install 13.10, please put them onto the wiki; or even in a text file
>>> with step by step explanation!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Phill.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 October 2013 21:38, JM mailto:me...@gmx.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:05 +0200
>>> Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2013-10-14 01:21, JM wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > > The test consists in booting to Lubuntu Saucy final (installed
>>> on hard drive), and
>>> > > consists in installing to USB in order to install from there as
>>> if it were an install
>>> > > from cdrom.
>>> (...)
>>> > > It looks like after re-installing USB Creator GTK and starting
>>> it from console I have
>>> > > finished installing the latest ISO AND bootloader.This time I
>>> have had the window with
>>> > > the success message in it. However at reboot the bootloader is
>>> not found.
>>> > >
>>> > > Therefore this time I'll do it from within an Ubuntu 12.04.
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Mélodie,
>>> >
>>> > usb-creator-gtk is buggy, but this way I succeed to make persistent
>>> > drives with it in Lubuntu Saucy:
>>> >
>>> > Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a
>>> partition
>>> > and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!
>>> >
>>> > Alternatives are kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or unetbootin (as
>>> > well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).
>>> >
>>> > Let us know how it works :-)
>>> >
>>> > Best regards
>>> > Nio
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Nio,
>>>
>>> It has worked fine in my Ubuntu Openbox 12.04.3 install. The USB
>>> Creator GTK works ok,
>>> (at least as long as I don't ask it to erase the drive, as far as I
>>> remember, and I use
>>> Gparted for this task).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mélodie


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

Edit: This was still about saucy-desktop-i386.iso, not the 64-bit
version (disregard the typing error).

On 2013-10-17 08:55, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> saucy-desktop-amd64.iso - continued testing  <--- typing error
> 
> - I have tried installing to a whole disk (in KVM), and it worked
> without any problems at all :-)
> 
> -o-
> 
> - I have used 'something else' at the partitioning table (in my
> Toshiba), and report the following.
> 
> The installation (including shrinking a partition, making a new
> (logical) one and selecting swap and selecting where to put the
> bootloader) was fine, but restart afterwards did not succeed. It stopped
> in text mode with the message
> 
> * Asking all remaining processes to terminate...  [OK]
> 
> Actually, it was waiting for 'Enter' to continue (to reboot), but there
> was no message.
> 
> - grey bug 966480
> 
> The installed system works as expected :-)
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-10-17 06:58, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> Hi Nio,
>>
>> mention the bugs as 'grey' bugs so that we can pick them up for the
>> release notes. I do, however, think that they are not particular to
>> lubuntu but owe their cause to ubiquity for the in ability to 'see' the
>> other drive (try using the alternate installer to prove / dis prove this
>> theory). For the Live issue, I'm not sure I've cc'd Nicholas (TL for
>> ubuntu qa / testing) to inform him and ask his opinion on them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 17 October 2013 05:43, Nio Wiklund > > wrote:
>>
>> Next re-spin tested:
>>
>> Re: Install (auto-resize) in Lubuntu Desktop i386 for Saucy Daily
>>
>> bug 1240532 is wiped but bug 1240622 is still alive, so it won't let me
>> install on the internal drive, device /dev/sda. But I can install
>> side-by-side on the USB 3 drive, device /dev/sdb.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> In the live session the bugs after logout are still alive. I cannot
>> change session or use my selected language.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> On 2013-10-16 19:15, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> > Good, I filed a bug for the 'first one'
>> >
>> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1240622
>> >
>> > and used your number for the 'second one'
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Nio
>> >
>> > ps/ Please add 'affects me too' (if it does affect you) /ds
>> >
>> > On 2013-10-16 19:03, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> >> Those look like the bugs under discussion now.
>> >>
>> >> the 2nd one is
>> >> at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1240532 I've
>> not got
>> >> the 1st one to hand.
>> >>
>> >> Have a look
>> >> on
>> 
>> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/iso-testing-open-saucy-bug-tasks.html
>> which
>> >> gets refreshed every hour.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Phill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 16 October 2013 17:37, Nio Wiklund > 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> + It is possible to select sizes graphically and the sizes
>> are written
>> >> with big digits
>> >>
>> >> - /dev/sda cannot be selected for installation side by side
>> (an SSD),
>> >> only /dev/sdb (a USB3-HDD)
>> >>
>> >> - The options to 'install now'  and 'go back' are greyed out,
>> only
>> >> 'quit' is available to select.
>> >>
>> >> Are there bug numbers for these bugs already?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Joern]

I am thinking for weeks about hosting a PPA with recent non-PAE kernels at 
Launchpad. For the machines that really don't are capable. What are your 
thoughts to this?

Jörn


Am 17.10.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Nio Wiklund :

> But I have to remind you that the Pentium M and Celeron M bug is still
> alive. It seems I have to make a Saucy Lubuntu fake-PAE edition too.
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> On 2013-10-17 08:55, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> saucy-desktop-amd64.iso - continued testing
>> 
>> - I have tried installing to a whole disk (in KVM), and it worked
>> without any problems at all :-)
>> 
>> -o-
>> 
>> - I have used 'something else' at the partitioning table (in my
>> Toshiba), and report the following.
>> 
>> The installation (including shrinking a partition, making a new
>> (logical) one and selecting swap and selecting where to put the
>> bootloader) was fine, but restart afterwards did not succeed. It stopped
>> in text mode with the message
>> 
>> * Asking all remaining processes to terminate...  [OK]
>> 
>> Actually, it was waiting for 'Enter' to continue (to reboot), but there
>> was no message.
>> 
>> - grey bug 966480
>> 
>> The installed system works as expected :-)
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>> 
>> On 2013-10-17 06:58, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>>> Hi Nio,
>>> 
>>> mention the bugs as 'grey' bugs so that we can pick them up for the
>>> release notes. I do, however, think that they are not particular to
>>> lubuntu but owe their cause to ubiquity for the in ability to 'see' the
>>> other drive (try using the alternate installer to prove / dis prove this
>>> theory). For the Live issue, I'm not sure I've cc'd Nicholas (TL for
>>> ubuntu qa / testing) to inform him and ask his opinion on them.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Phill.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17 October 2013 05:43, Nio Wiklund >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Next re-spin tested:
>>> 
>>>Re: Install (auto-resize) in Lubuntu Desktop i386 for Saucy Daily
>>> 
>>>bug 1240532 is wiped but bug 1240622 is still alive, so it won't let me
>>>install on the internal drive, device /dev/sda. But I can install
>>>side-by-side on the USB 3 drive, device /dev/sdb.
>>> 
>>>-o-
>>> 
>>>In the live session the bugs after logout are still alive. I cannot
>>>change session or use my selected language.
>>> 
>>>Best regards
>>>Nio
>>> 
>>>On 2013-10-16 19:15, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 Good, I filed a bug for the 'first one'
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1240622
 
 and used your number for the 'second one'
 
 Best regards
 Nio
 
 ps/ Please add 'affects me too' (if it does affect you) /ds
 
 On 2013-10-16 19:03, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Those look like the bugs under discussion now.
> 
> the 2nd one is
> at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1240532 I've
>>>not got
> the 1st one to hand.
> 
> Have a look
> on
>>>
>>> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/iso-testing-open-saucy-bug-tasks.html
>>>which
> gets refreshed every hour.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 16 October 2013 17:37, Nio Wiklund >>
> >> wrote:
> 
>+ It is possible to select sizes graphically and the sizes
>>>are written
>with big digits
> 
>- /dev/sda cannot be selected for installation side by side
>>>(an SSD),
>only /dev/sdb (a USB3-HDD)
> 
>- The options to 'install now'  and 'go back' are greyed out,
>>>only
>'quit' is available to select.
> 
>Are there bug numbers for these bugs already?
> 
>Best regards
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Jörn,

Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
helped by fake-PAE? If you know there are people who need them, yes it
is a good idea. (But I would think there are not many people trying to
run any Ubuntu flavour in such computers nowadays. They probably try
some linux distro with a really small foot-print. And there are such
kernels available, maybe it is enough to link to them or maybe provide a
mirror.)

I think fake-PAE is good enough to make the current 32-bit kernels work
well with Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.

And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
with LTS until April 2015.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-17 10:13, Joern wrote:
> I am thinking for weeks about hosting a PPA with recent non-PAE kernels at 
> Launchpad. For the machines that really don't are capable. What are your 
> thoughts to this?
> 
> Jörn
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.2013 um 09:15 schrieb Nio Wiklund :
> 
>> But I have to remind you that the Pentium M and Celeron M bug is still
>> alive. It seems I have to make a Saucy Lubuntu fake-PAE edition too.
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>> On 2013-10-17 08:55, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> saucy-desktop-amd64.iso - continued testing
>>>
>>> - I have tried installing to a whole disk (in KVM), and it worked
>>> without any problems at all :-)
>>>
>>> -o-
>>>
>>> - I have used 'something else' at the partitioning table (in my
>>> Toshiba), and report the following.
>>>
>>> The installation (including shrinking a partition, making a new
>>> (logical) one and selecting swap and selecting where to put the
>>> bootloader) was fine, but restart afterwards did not succeed. It stopped
>>> in text mode with the message
>>>
>>> * Asking all remaining processes to terminate...  [OK]
>>>
>>> Actually, it was waiting for 'Enter' to continue (to reboot), but there
>>> was no message.
>>>
>>> - grey bug 966480
>>>
>>> The installed system works as expected :-)
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> On 2013-10-17 06:58, Phill Whiteside wrote:
 Hi Nio,

 mention the bugs as 'grey' bugs so that we can pick them up for the
 release notes. I do, however, think that they are not particular to
 lubuntu but owe their cause to ubiquity for the in ability to 'see' the
 other drive (try using the alternate installer to prove / dis prove this
 theory). For the Live issue, I'm not sure I've cc'd Nicholas (TL for
 ubuntu qa / testing) to inform him and ask his opinion on them.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 17 October 2013 05:43, Nio Wiklund >>> > wrote:

Next re-spin tested:

Re: Install (auto-resize) in Lubuntu Desktop i386 for Saucy Daily

bug 1240532 is wiped but bug 1240622 is still alive, so it won't let me
install on the internal drive, device /dev/sda. But I can install
side-by-side on the USB 3 drive, device /dev/sdb.

-o-

In the live session the bugs after logout are still alive. I cannot
change session or use my selected language.

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-16 19:15, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Good, I filed a bug for the 'first one'
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1240622
>
> and used your number for the 'second one'
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> ps/ Please add 'affects me too' (if it does affect you) /ds
>
> On 2013-10-16 19:03, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> Those look like the bugs under discussion now.
>>
>> the 2nd one is
>> at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1240532 I've
not got
>> the 1st one to hand.
>>
>> Have a look
>> on

 http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/iso-testing-open-saucy-bug-tasks.html
which
>> gets refreshed every hour.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 16 October 2013 17:37, Nio Wiklund >>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>+ It is possible to select sizes graphically and the sizes
are written
>>with big digits
>>
>>- /dev/sda cannot be selected for installation side by side
(an SSD),
>>only /dev/sdb (a USB3-HDD)
>>
>>- The options to 'install now'  and 'go back' are greyed out,
only
>>'quit' is available to select.
>>
>>Are there bug numbers for these bugs already?
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Jörn Schönyan]

Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> Hi Jörn,
>
> Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
> helped by fake-PAE? If you know there are people who need them, yes it
> is a good idea. (But I would think there are not many people trying to
> run any Ubuntu flavour in such computers nowadays. They probably try
> some linux distro with a really small foot-print. And there are such
> kernels available, maybe it is enough to link to them or maybe provide a
> mirror.)
According to Wikipedia, there are Pentium 3 that aren't capable of PAE.
I am thinking about this machines. But, I am not 100% sure if this is a
error on Wikipedia.
> I think fake-PAE is good enough to make the current 32-bit kernels work
> well with Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.
>
> And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
> until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
> with LTS until April 2015.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
Yes, there are. But any of this use the "old" 3.2 kernel from Precise,
if I am correct.

Jörn

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC]

[Lars Noodén]

On 10/16/13 11:59 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> The iso tracker reports both PPC builds as being over sized. The desktop
> one I was expecting, the alternate I thought would come in at CD sized.
> 
> Comments, please, as they do need including in our release notes.
> 
> If the PPC team do have time, can they check the power-pc core (also known
> in various names such as net-boot and mini-iso). The server ISO's have been
> halted as they are over sized.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phill.

Not much to say there except that many of the older optical drives
cannot burn DVD though they can read them.  The PPC unit I have is able
to boot from USB stick instead, so that's one possible work-around.

Regards,
/Lars


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] [PPC]

[James King]

I have an external DVD burner which has worked in the past with PPC, though not 
everyone has that. I'll use that for my tests this weekend. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Lars Noodén  wrote:

> On 10/16/13 11:59 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> The iso tracker reports both PPC builds as being over sized. The desktop
>> one I was expecting, the alternate I thought would come in at CD sized.
>> 
>> Comments, please, as they do need including in our release notes.
>> 
>> If the PPC team do have time, can they check the power-pc core (also known
>> in various names such as net-boot and mini-iso). The server ISO's have been
>> halted as they are over sized.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Phill.
> 
> Not much to say there except that many of the older optical drives
> cannot burn DVD though they can read them.  The PPC unit I have is able
> to boot from USB stick instead, so that's one possible work-around.
> 
> Regards,
> /Lars
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[josewendy1]

LXLE uses 3.2.x.x kernel Sent from my LG Escape™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone-- Original message --From: Jörn Schönyan Date: 10/17/2013 4:05 AMTo: Nio Wiklund;Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net;Subject:Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> Hi Jörn,
>
> Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
> helped by fake-PAE? If you know there are people who need them, yes it
> is a good idea. (But I would think there are not many people trying to
> run any Ubuntu flavour in such computers nowadays. They probably try
> some linux distro with a really small foot-print. And there are such
> kernels available, maybe it is enough to link to them or maybe provide a
> mirror.)
According to Wikipedia, there are Pentium 3 that aren't capable of PAE.
I am thinking about this machines. But, I am not 100% sure if this is a
error on Wikipedia.
> I think fake-PAE is good enough to make the current 32-bit kernels work
> well with Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.
>
> And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
> until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
> with LTS until April 2015.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
Yes, there are. But any of this use the "old" 3.2 kernel from Precise,
if I am correct.

Jörn

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] USB Creator GTK - Consolekit - Mounting/Unmounting devices

[JM]

Hi,

Here when it fails in Lubuntu Saucy there is a window displaying errors thrown 
by python
components. Do you get a similar result or does it just freeze or so?

Regards,
Mélodie



On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:49:07 +0200
Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> ... and a second short comment:
> 
> Today I needed several attempts including logout/login to manage to use
> usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy i386 to create a persistent Lubuntu
> Saucy amd64 pendrive :-(
> 
> But finally I succeeded and the persistent drive works :-)
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> On 2013-10-15 08:34, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> > Just a short comment:
> > 
> > I tested the usb-creator-gtk in Saucy (yesterday's version) now. I had
> > to use it twice (both times wiping with 'Erase disk') to succeed. The
> > first time it crashed early, the second time it created a good boot
> > drive (from the Lubuntu Saucy 32-bit desktop iso) and then crashed with
> > segmentation fault.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> > 
> > On 2013-10-15 06:21, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> >> See these links for making USB boot drives
> >>
> >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
> >>
> >> And about usb-creator-gtk in Saucy: it is buggy, but this way I succeed
> >> to make *persistent live* drives with usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy.
> >>
> >> Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a partition
> >> and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!
> >>
> >> Alternatives are to install Kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or
> >> Unetbootin (as well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Nio
> >>
> >> On 2013-10-14 22:47, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> >>> The USB installers have been pretty much broken all cycle. Last I heard
> >>> was to use dd. Nothing will now get fixed before release. If people have
> >>> a decent set of instructions using *any* usb installer to use 13.04 to
> >>> install 13.10, please put them onto the wiki; or even in a text file
> >>> with step by step explanation!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Phill.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 14 October 2013 21:38, JM mailto:me...@gmx.fr>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:05 +0200
> >>> Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On 2013-10-14 01:21, JM wrote:
> >>> > > Hi,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > The test consists in booting to Lubuntu Saucy final (installed
> >>> on hard drive), and
> >>> > > consists in installing to USB in order to install from there as
> >>> if it were an install
> >>> > > from cdrom.
> >>> (...)
> >>> > > It looks like after re-installing USB Creator GTK and starting
> >>> it from console I have
> >>> > > finished installing the latest ISO AND bootloader.This time I
> >>> have had the window with
> >>> > > the success message in it. However at reboot the bootloader is
> >>> not found.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Therefore this time I'll do it from within an Ubuntu 12.04.
> >>> (...)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Hi Mélodie,
> >>> >
> >>> > usb-creator-gtk is buggy, but this way I succeed to make persistent
> >>> > drives with it in Lubuntu Saucy:
> >>> >
> >>> > Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a
> >>> partition
> >>> > and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!
> >>> >
> >>> > Alternatives are kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or unetbootin (as
> >>> > well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).
> >>> >
> >>> > Let us know how it works :-)
> >>> >
> >>> > Best regards
> >>> > Nio
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Nio,
> >>>
> >>> It has worked fine in my Ubuntu Openbox 12.04.3 install. The USB
> >>> Creator GTK works ok,
> >>> (at least as long as I don't ask it to erase the drive, as far as I
> >>> remember, and I use
> >>> Gparted for this task).
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Mélodie
> 


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[JM]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:05:08 +0200
Jörn Schönyan  wrote:

> Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> > Hi Jörn,
> >
> > Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
> > helped by fake-PAE?
...

> According to Wikipedia, there are Pentium 3 that aren't capable of PAE.
> I am thinking about this machines. But, I am not 100% sure if this is a
> error on Wikipedia.

> > I think fake-PAE is good enough to make the current 32-bit kernels work
> > well with Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.

> > And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
> > until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
> > with LTS until April 2015.

Please add Ubuntu Openbox Remix to this list (Bento Village, built on Ubuntu 
Mini
Remix) ;-)


> > Best regards
> > Nio

> Yes, there are. But any of this use the "old" 3.2 kernel from Precise,
> if I am correct.
> 
> Jörn

Hi,

I have Lubuntu Saucy installed in a T30 since a few days. The machine was sold 
on the
market in 2000 or 2001. The processor (cat /proc/cpuinfo) shows the pae 
instruction flag.

One thing which I don't understand is that the kernel actually in use is 
presented as
"3.11.0.11-generic" : is it a generic one, or is it the new name for all the 
pae kernels
in Ubuntu ?

As for which machines have "pae but not showing", how do you know which machine 
does and
which does not? (Apart from consulting Wikipedia?)

For Jörn's question : what about starting a poll on the Ubuntu forums to see if 
some
people would feel concerned?

Regards,
Mélodie


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] USB Creator GTK - Consolekit - Mounting/Unmounting devices

[Nio Wiklund]

I start it from a terminal window, and error messages for example
'segmentation fault' are written into that terminal window. And the
usb-creator window is closed (not frozen).

On 2013-10-17 13:28, JM wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here when it fails in Lubuntu Saucy there is a window displaying errors 
> thrown by python
> components. Do you get a similar result or does it just freeze or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:49:07 +0200
> Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 
>> ... and a second short comment:
>>
>> Today I needed several attempts including logout/login to manage to use
>> usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy i386 to create a persistent Lubuntu
>> Saucy amd64 pendrive :-(
>>
>> But finally I succeeded and the persistent drive works :-)
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> On 2013-10-15 08:34, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> Just a short comment:
>>>
>>> I tested the usb-creator-gtk in Saucy (yesterday's version) now. I had
>>> to use it twice (both times wiping with 'Erase disk') to succeed. The
>>> first time it crashed early, the second time it created a good boot
>>> drive (from the Lubuntu Saucy 32-bit desktop iso) and then crashed with
>>> segmentation fault.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> On 2013-10-15 06:21, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 See these links for making USB boot drives

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073

 And about usb-creator-gtk in Saucy: it is buggy, but this way I succeed
 to make *persistent live* drives with usb-creator-gtk in Lubuntu Saucy.

 Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a partition
 and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!

 Alternatives are to install Kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or
 Unetbootin (as well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).

 Best regards
 Nio

 On 2013-10-14 22:47, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> The USB installers have been pretty much broken all cycle. Last I heard
> was to use dd. Nothing will now get fixed before release. If people have
> a decent set of instructions using *any* usb installer to use 13.04 to
> install 13.10, please put them onto the wiki; or even in a text file
> with step by step explanation!
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 14 October 2013 21:38, JM mailto:me...@gmx.fr>> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:04:05 +0200
> Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2013-10-14 01:21, JM wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The test consists in booting to Lubuntu Saucy final (installed
> on hard drive), and
> > > consists in installing to USB in order to install from there as
> if it were an install
> > > from cdrom.
> (...)
> > > It looks like after re-installing USB Creator GTK and starting
> it from console I have
> > > finished installing the latest ISO AND bootloader.This time I
> have had the window with
> > > the success message in it. However at reboot the bootloader is
> not found.
> > >
> > > Therefore this time I'll do it from within an Ubuntu 12.04.
> (...)
>
>
> > Hi Mélodie,
> >
> > usb-creator-gtk is buggy, but this way I succeed to make persistent
> > drives with it in Lubuntu Saucy:
> >
> > Let it wipe whatever is on the USB pendrive and then create a
> partition
> > and file system: Click on 'Erase disk'!
> >
> > Alternatives are kubuntu's version usb-creator-kde or unetbootin (as
> > well as resorting to the version 12.04 LTS).
> >
> > Let us know how it works :-)
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
>
>
> Hi Nio,
>
> It has worked fine in my Ubuntu Openbox 12.04.3 install. The USB
> Creator GTK works ok,
> (at least as long as I don't ask it to erase the drive, as far as I
> remember, and I use
> Gparted for this task).
>
> Regards,
> Mélodie


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Mélodie and Jörn,

[See replies inline]

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-17 13:52, JM wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:05:08 +0200
> Jörn Schönyan  wrote:
> 
>> Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
>>> Hi Jörn,
>>>
>>> Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
>>> helped by fake-PAE?
> ...
> 
>> According to Wikipedia, there are Pentium 3 that aren't capable of PAE.
>> I am thinking about this machines. But, I am not 100% sure if this is a
>> error on Wikipedia.
> 
>>> I think fake-PAE is good enough to make the current 32-bit kernels work
>>> well with Celeron M and Pentium M CPUs.
> 
>>> And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
>>> until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
>>> with LTS until April 2015.
> 
> Please add Ubuntu Openbox Remix to this list (Bento Village, built on Ubuntu 
> Mini
> Remix) ;-)

Sure, Please give us a link, where it can be downloaded :-)

>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
> 
>> Yes, there are. But any of this use the "old" 3.2 kernel from Precise,
>> if I am correct.

Yes. I'm not sure if there are later Ubuntu kernel versions without PAE.
But these 3.2 kernels have SMP which is an advantage for modern
computers in contrast to the Debian kernels without PAE (if I remember
correctly). So Ubuntu non-PAE kernels can use several CPUs when available.

>>
>> Jörn
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have Lubuntu Saucy installed in a T30 since a few days. The machine was 
> sold on the
> market in 2000 or 2001. The processor (cat /proc/cpuinfo) shows the pae 
> instruction flag.
> 
> One thing which I don't understand is that the kernel actually in use is 
> presented as
> "3.11.0.11-generic" : is it a generic one, or is it the new name for all the 
> pae kernels
> in Ubuntu ?

All Ubuntu 32-bit kernels come with PAE since 12.10 if I rememeber
correctly.

> As for which machines have "pae but not showing", how do you know which 
> machine does and
> which does not? (Apart from consulting Wikipedia?)

We have tested it. See this link

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

I would be happy if you can add something to that list.

> For Jörn's question : what about starting a poll on the Ubuntu forums to see 
> if some
> people would feel concerned?
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 

Feel free to do it :-) I think it is a good idea to find out (or at
least get a notion of) how many people would feel concerned, before
doing it (setting up a website with non-PAE kernels).

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[Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

we are proud to announce the release of Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander).
Please do release notes before installing!

Head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for
details on the release and where to get hold of it.

Many thanks to everyone on all the teams who ensured that 13.10 is our best
release yet!

Regards,

Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[JM]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:42:20 +0200
Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Hi Mélodie and Jörn,
> 
> [See replies inline]

Hi, same here, replying in the body of the mail.


> On 2013-10-17 13:52, JM wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:05:08 +0200
> > Jörn Schönyan  wrote:

> >> Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> >>> Hi Jörn,
> >>>
> >>> Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
> >>> helped by fake-PAE?
> > ...
...

> >>> And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
> >>> until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
> >>> with LTS until April 2015.

> > Please add Ubuntu Openbox Remix to this list (Bento Village, built on 
> > Ubuntu Mini
> > Remix) ;-)

> Sure, Please give us a link, where it can be downloaded :-)

With pleasure. Here is the link:
http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/LinuxVillage/Ubuntu

There is a short description here:
Bento Village October - 
http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php?topic=590.msg3617#msg3617


> > One thing which I don't understand is that the kernel actually in use is 
> > presented as
> > "3.11.0.11-generic" : is it a generic one, or is it the new name for all 
> > the pae
> > kernels in Ubuntu ?
> 
> All Ubuntu 32-bit kernels come with PAE since 12.10 if I rememeber
> correctly.

ah?!


> > As for which machines have "pae but not showing", how do you know which 
> > machine does
> > and which does not? (Apart from consulting Wikipedia?)
> 
> We have tested it. See this link
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> 
> I would be happy if you can add something to that list.

I will be happy to help when possible, just for the time being I don't 
understand much of
the technical parts presented in this page. I'll have to take a (long) moment 
to read
through and figure out some smart questions to get to understand it.


> > For Jörn's question : what about starting a poll on the Ubuntu forums to 
> > see if some
> > people would feel concerned?

> Feel free to do it :-) I think it is a good idea to find out (or at
> least get a notion of) how many people would feel concerned, before
> doing it (setting up a website with non-PAE kernels).

I can volunteer to start one in the French Ubuntu forums if it is ok for you. I 
would
like to leave to someone else the care of creating one in the English forums. :)

Regards,
Mélodie

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-17 19:36, JM wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:42:20 +0200
> Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mélodie and Jörn,
>>
>> [See replies inline]
> 
> Hi, same here, replying in the body of the mail.
> 
> 
>> On 2013-10-17 13:52, JM wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:05:08 +0200
>>> Jörn Schönyan  wrote:
> 
 Am 17.10.2013 10:47, schrieb Nio Wiklund:
> Hi Jörn,
>
> Do you mean for really old computers (pre Pentium II), that are not
> helped by fake-PAE?
>>> ...
> ...
> 
> And there are 12.04 flavours and respins that promise long time support
> until April 2017, PreciseGnomeClassicTweaks, LXLE and Bodhi plus Xubuntu
> with LTS until April 2015.
> 
>>> Please add Ubuntu Openbox Remix to this list (Bento Village, built on 
>>> Ubuntu Mini
>>> Remix) ;-)
> 
>> Sure, Please give us a link, where it can be downloaded :-)
> 
> With pleasure. Here is the link:
> http://tyruiop.eu/~melodie/Downloads/ISOS/LinuxVillage/Ubuntu
> 
> There is a short description here:
> Bento Village October - 
> http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php?topic=590.msg3617#msg3617

Thanks :-)

>>> One thing which I don't understand is that the kernel actually in use is 
>>> presented as
>>> "3.11.0.11-generic" : is it a generic one, or is it the new name for all 
>>> the pae
>>> kernels in Ubuntu ?
>>
>> All Ubuntu 32-bit kernels come with PAE since 12.10 if I rememeber
>> correctly.
> 
> ah?!
> 
> 
>>> As for which machines have "pae but not showing", how do you know which 
>>> machine does
>>> and which does not? (Apart from consulting Wikipedia?)
>>
>> We have tested it. See this link
>>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
>>
>> I would be happy if you can add something to that list.
> 
> I will be happy to help when possible, just for the time being I don't 
> understand much of
> the technical parts presented in this page. I'll have to take a (long) moment 
> to read
> through and figure out some smart questions to get to understand it.
> 
> 
>>> For Jörn's question : what about starting a poll on the Ubuntu forums to 
>>> see if some
>>> people would feel concerned?
> 
>> Feel free to do it :-) I think it is a good idea to find out (or at
>> least get a notion of) how many people would feel concerned, before
>> doing it (setting up a website with non-PAE kernels).
> 
> I can volunteer to start one in the French Ubuntu forums if it is ok for you. 
> I would
> like to leave to someone else the care of creating one in the English forums. 
> :)
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 
Hi Mélodie,

It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[David Yentzen]

Thanks to Phil for kicking out the announcement.  I have just successfully
upgraded one of three net-books I have( the easiest one) from Raring to
Saucy.  Upgrade went smooth and Saucy is performing well!!!  Now to upgrade
the other two Raring net-books.
Congratulations to everyone on the Lubuntu Team, thanks for all your work!

Best,
David
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Matthew Byers wrote:

> Congrats team. Cant wait to check out this finished product!!
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we are proud to announce the release of Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander).
>> Please do release notes before installing!
>>
>> Head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for
>> details on the release and where to get hold of it.
>>
>> Many thanks to everyone on all the teams who ensured that 13.10 is our
>> best release yet!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[JM]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
Nio Wiklund  wrote:


> Hi Mélodie,
> 
> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.

Hi Nio,

Done:
Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961

I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at the 
mailing list,
but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no clear 
indicator
in the archives related to the time it was posted. 

You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked as 
"(06.43 CEST)",
for instance.

Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins done with 
the
fake-pae upstart job?

Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do you 
install that
to hard drive? :)

Regards,
Mélodie

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
> Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hi Mélodie,
>>
>> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.
> 
> Hi Nio,
> 
> Done:
> Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961
> 
> I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at the 
> mailing list,
> but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no 
> clear indicator
> in the archives related to the time it was posted. 
> 
> You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked as 
> "(06.43 CEST)",
> for instance.
> 
> Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins done 
> with the
> fake-pae upstart job?
> 
> Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do you 
> install that
> to hard drive? :)
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 
Hi Mélodie,


1. I'll follow your thread :-)


2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488

Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.


3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
fake-PAE, described indirectly by

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE

a. The method by Mörgæs at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE

b. Grub-n-iso
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso

c. Installed system
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE

d. One Button Installer
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI

*. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
file 'mkusb' from

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073


Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Phill Whiteside]

hi,

can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
important than 'are there people who need it'.

Just my 2 cents worth,

Regards,

Phill.


On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
> > Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mélodie,
> >>
> >> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.
> >
> > Hi Nio,
> >
> > Done:
> > Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
> > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961
> >
> > I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at
> the mailing list,
> > but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no
> clear indicator
> > in the archives related to the time it was posted.
> >
> > You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked
> as "(06.43 CEST)",
> > for instance.
> >
> > Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins
> done with the
> > fake-pae upstart job?
> >
> > Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do
> you install that
> > to hard drive? :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mélodie
> >
> Hi Mélodie,
>
>
> 1. I'll follow your thread :-)
>
>
> 2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
> about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
> such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
> English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
> and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
>
> Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
> ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
>
>
> 3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
> fake-PAE, described indirectly by
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
>
> a. The method by Mörgæs at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
>
> b. Grub-n-iso
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
>
> c. Installed system
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
>
> d. One Button Installer
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
>
> *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
> case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
> file 'mkusb' from
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
>
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[JM]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:46:39 +0100
Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> hi,
> 
> can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
> upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
> will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
> important than 'are there people who need it'.
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> 
> > On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
> > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
> > > Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi Mélodie,
> > >>
> > >> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.
> > >
> > > Hi Nio,
> > >
> > > Done:
> > > Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
> > > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961
> > >
> > > I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at
> > the mailing list,
> > > but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no
> > clear indicator
> > > in the archives related to the time it was posted.
> > >
> > > You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked
> > as "(06.43 CEST)",
> > > for instance.
> > >
> > > Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins
> > done with the
> > > fake-pae upstart job?
> > >
> > > Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do
> > you install that
> > > to hard drive? :)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mélodie
> > >
> > Hi Mélodie,
> >
> >
> > 1. I'll follow your thread :-)
> >
> >
> > 2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
> > about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
> > such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
> > English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
> > and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
> >
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
> >
> > Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
> > ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
> >
> >
> > 3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
> > fake-PAE, described indirectly by
> >
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> >
> > a. The method by Mörgæs at
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> >
> > b. Grub-n-iso
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> >
> > c. Installed system
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
> >
> > d. One Button Installer
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
> >
> > *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
> > case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
> > file 'mkusb' from
> >
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio


Hi,

I was meaning : a thread here at the mailing list: the actual topic is "Next 
respin..."
and so on. We are Off Topic.

So if the present discussion will next be brought to a new dedicated thread, 
maybe an
opportunity to point to it from elsewhere could be used. :)

I would like more information about this:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447/comments/203

What are the tech details related to this part? → "CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep
^0001'" (in a new thread? ;)  )

Regards,
Mélodie

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Phill,

I'm not sure what is actually the method that would be successful for
most newcomers. I think that most people have been using Mörgæs's method
(starting from a 12.04 non-pae kernel, adding fake-PAE and upgrading)
and the Lubuntu fake-PAE 'grub-n-iso' method, but I think that
'installed system' and One Button Installer are actually easier.

So it would be interesting to find out :-)

But how can we do that? I think people who have a lot of experience are
the people who read our poll(s) and reply to it. Will their replies tell
us what is the easiest for newcomers? In other words, do we understand
what is easiest for newcomers ;-)

If I understood correctly, Jörn's original question was if we should
provide non-PAE kernels for those who need it, and then Mélodie
suggested that we should ask people if they need it, to find out how
many people need non-PAE kernels. Her poll in French asks about fake-PAE
too, maybe even mainly about fake-PAE, while I was concerned about
really old CPUs that have no PAE capability, so they are not helped by
fake-PAE (pre Pentium II and according to some wikipedia source maybe
some Pentium III CPUs).

So maybe I did not understand correctly ... anyway, there are different
questions to be asked

1. Do you need non-PAE kernels?

2. Could you benefit from fake-PAE kernels?

3. What is the easiest method to implement what newcomers need
(concerning old computers where Ubuntu's kernels with PAE cannot be
installed directly from the ISO file)?

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-18 03:46, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> hi,
> 
> can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
> upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
> will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
> important than 'are there people who need it'. 
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund  > wrote:
> 
> On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
> > Nio Wiklund mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi Mélodie,
> >>
> >> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.
> >
> > Hi Nio,
> >
> > Done:
> > Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
> > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961
> >
> > I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic
> here at the mailing list,
> > but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there
> is no clear indicator
> > in the archives related to the time it was posted.
> >
> > You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread
> marked as "(06.43 CEST)",
> > for instance.
> >
> > Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the
> spins done with the
> > fake-pae upstart job?
> >
> > Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files?
> How do you install that
> > to hard drive? :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mélodie
> >
> Hi Mélodie,
> 
> 
> 1. I'll follow your thread :-)
> 
> 
> 2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
> about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
> such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
> English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
> and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
> 
> Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
> ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
> 
> 
> 3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
> fake-PAE, described indirectly by
> 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> 
> a. The method by Mörgæs at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> 
> b. Grub-n-iso
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> 
> c. Installed system
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
> 
> d. One Button Installer
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
> 
> *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
> case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
> file 'mkusb' from
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
> 
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Next respin tested 2013-10-17 00:43 (06.43 CEST)

[Nio Wiklund]

On 2013-10-18 04:17, JM wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:46:39 +0100
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>>
>> can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
>> upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
>> will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
>> important than 'are there people who need it'.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth,
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
 Nio Wiklund  wrote:


> Hi Mélodie,
>
> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.

 Hi Nio,

 Done:
 Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
 http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961

 I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at
>>> the mailing list,
 but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no
>>> clear indicator
 in the archives related to the time it was posted.

 You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked
>>> as "(06.43 CEST)",
 for instance.

 Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins
>>> done with the
 fake-pae upstart job?

 Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do
>>> you install that
 to hard drive? :)

 Regards,
 Mélodie

>>> Hi Mélodie,
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I'll follow your thread :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
>>> about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
>>> such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
>>> English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
>>> and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
>>>
>>> Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
>>> ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
>>> fake-PAE, described indirectly by
>>>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
>>>
>>> a. The method by Mörgæs at
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
>>>
>>> b. Grub-n-iso
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
>>>
>>> c. Installed system
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
>>>
>>> d. One Button Installer
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
>>>
>>> *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
>>> case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
>>> file 'mkusb' from
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was meaning : a thread here at the mailing list: the actual topic is "Next 
> respin..."
> and so on. We are Off Topic.
> 
> So if the present discussion will next be brought to a new dedicated thread, 
> maybe an
> opportunity to point to it from elsewhere could be used. :)
> 
> I would like more information about this:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447/comments/203
> 
> What are the tech details related to this part? → "CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep
> ^0001'" (in a new thread? ;)  )
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 

Hi Mélodie.

I sent a text file with the mails to you. Use it as you wish, maybe make
it available as a reference.

What can I say about bug #930447? It is sad, that Ubuntu does not listen
to the opinion. It would be easy to 'allow' Pentium M and Celeron M
either all of them or those with CPU IDs that are tested and known to
have PAE capability.

cpuid is a small program that can be installed from the repositories,
and that can be used to extract information about the CPU hardware.

Best regards
Nio

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[Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu for kernels with a PAE flag

[Nio Wiklund]

[new subject line]

On 2013-10-18 04:17, JM wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 02:46:39 +0100
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>>
>> can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
>> upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
>> will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
>> important than 'are there people who need it'.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents worth,
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
 Nio Wiklund  wrote:


> Hi Mélodie,
>
> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.

 Hi Nio,

 Done:
 Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
 http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961

 I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic here at
>>> the mailing list,
 but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there is no
>>> clear indicator
 in the archives related to the time it was posted.

 You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread marked
>>> as "(06.43 CEST)",
 for instance.

 Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the spins
>>> done with the
 fake-pae upstart job?

 Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files? How do
>>> you install that
 to hard drive? :)

 Regards,
 Mélodie

>>> Hi Mélodie,
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I'll follow your thread :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
>>> about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
>>> such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
>>> English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
>>> and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
>>>
>>> Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
>>> ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
>>> fake-PAE, described indirectly by
>>>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
>>>
>>> a. The method by Mörgæs at
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
>>>
>>> b. Grub-n-iso
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
>>>
>>> c. Installed system
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
>>>
>>> d. One Button Installer
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
>>>
>>> *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
>>> case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
>>> file 'mkusb' from
>>>
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was meaning : a thread here at the mailing list: the actual topic is "Next 
> respin..."
> and so on. We are Off Topic.
> 
> So if the present discussion will next be brought to a new dedicated thread, 
> maybe an
> opportunity to point to it from elsewhere could be used. :)
> 
> I would like more information about this:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/930447/comments/203
> 
> What are the tech details related to this part? → "CPUID Output of 'cpuid|grep
> ^0001'" (in a new thread? ;)  )
> 
> Regards,
> Mélodie
> 

Hi Mélodie.

I sent a text file with the mails to you. Use it as you wish, maybe make
it available as a reference.

What can I say about bug #930447? It is sad, that Ubuntu does not listen
to the opinion. It would be easy to 'allow' Pentium M and Celeron M
either all of them or those with CPU IDs that are tested and known to
have PAE capability.

cpuid is a small program that can be installed from the repositories,
and that can be used to extract information about the CPU hardware.

Best regards
Nio

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[Aere Greenway]

On 10/17/2013 09:38 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

we are proud to announce the release of Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy 
Salamander). Please do release notes before installing!


Head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for 
details on the release and where to get hold of it.


Many thanks to everyone on all the teams who ensured that 13.10 is our 
best release yet!


Regards,

Phill.

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All:

I have put Lubuntu 13.10 on three of my test machines so far:

1. HP Vectra 450 megahertz 512 meg RAM
2. HP 933 mehahertz, 512 meg RAM
3. Dell GX-240 1.7 gigahertz, 1 gig RAM

I have put it through my MIDI music testing on all three machines, and 
it is working flawlessly.


Best of all, this is the first Linux system I have yet seen, where it 
doesn't hang if you accidentally try to use the Java Sound Synthesizer 
while JACK (qjackctl) is running.  Not only that, but you can actually 
play music on the Java Sound Synthesizer while JACK is running - it 
actually co-exists!


Seeing that, I checked if the Flash Player plug-in co-exists with JACK, 
but it unfortunately does not.  Of course, it didn't co-exist before 
(without special manual configuration changes).


I have not experienced a single hang on this system.  This is immensly 
better than the beta-test version (which was hanging in all sorts of 
situations).


Many thanks to the developers and testers of Lubuntu 13.10 - this is great!

I will continue testing.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Aere,

we had a zram bug back then... It took a good person to solve it, we did
our bit :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1227202

If you really need high speed for music, then there is a low-latency
version of the kernel that comes with ubuntu-studio http://ubuntustudio.org/
, I'd suggest that you have a try with that. All of the 13.10's have got
the various new kernels. IIRC, they ship the low latency one that is tuned
for such work.

Whilst I am a 100% person for lubuntu, if one of our family could be better
for what a person may need; I have no hesitation in asking them to try it
out.

Regards,

Phill.


On 18 October 2013 06:26, Aere Greenway  wrote:

>  On 10/17/2013 09:38 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>  we are proud to announce the release of Lubuntu 13.10 (Saucy
> Salamander). Please do release notes before installing!
>
>  Head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu for
> details on the release and where to get hold of it.
>
>  Many thanks to everyone on all the teams who ensured that 13.10 is our
> best release yet!
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Phill.
>
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>
>
>  All:
>
> I have put Lubuntu 13.10 on three of my test machines so far:
>
> 1. HP Vectra 450 megahertz 512 meg RAM
> 2. HP 933 mehahertz, 512 meg RAM
> 3. Dell GX-240 1.7 gigahertz, 1 gig RAM
>
> I have put it through my MIDI music testing on all three machines, and it
> is working flawlessly.
>
> Best of all, this is the first Linux system I have yet seen, where it
> doesn't hang if you accidentally try to use the Java Sound Synthesizer
> while JACK (qjackctl) is running.  Not only that, but you can actually play
> music on the Java Sound Synthesizer while JACK is running - it actually
> co-exists!
>
> Seeing that, I checked if the Flash Player plug-in co-exists with JACK,
> but it unfortunately does not.  Of course, it didn't co-exist before
> (without special manual configuration changes).
>
> I have not experienced a single hang on this system.  This is immensly
> better than the beta-test version (which was hanging in all sorts of
> situations).
>
> Many thanks to the developers and testers of Lubuntu 13.10 - this is
> great!
>
> I will continue testing.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Aere
>
>


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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[Aere Greenway]

On 10/17/2013 11:59 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
If you really need high speed for music, then there is a low-latency 
version of the kernel that comes with ubuntu-studio 
http://ubuntustudio.org/
, I'd suggest that you have a try with that. All of the 13.10's have 
got the various new kernels. IIRC, they ship the low latency one that 
is tuned for such work.



Phill:

I test all of the Ubuntu variants.  UbuntuStudio was already next on the 
list.


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[Lubuntu-qa] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/SaucyFinalTestReport

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Nick,

I hope you enjoyed the release party, however, I have a MAJOR issue.



May i pre-warn you that I am going to raise hell from the depths of the
oceans of lubuntu getting that score? If it were not for people ignoring
our bug reports; there would have been far fewer "ooh.. that is is a
critical bug" when reported during the testing cycle

Take a look at how we 'got marked down'...

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/SaucyFinalTestReport#Summary_of_Test_Failures

Oooh, Ubiquity bugs? We worked our asses out for the ubiquity bugs, of
which prevail.

https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240794
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1240622

Do not forget the work we did to help out on testing and actually took bugs
on.

There is more chance of the USA debt limit being agreed for the next 10
years, then is for me to accept those figures and pass them onto the
testing team. Go get the facts right instead of the "Tea Party" statistics.



Regards,

Phill

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