Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Changes in Ubuntu releases decided by the Ubuntu Technical Board

[Lance]

Just thinking out loud here so don't shoot me ;^)

So, as this effects only Lubuntu ATM;

11.10 reaches EOL April 2013

12.04 reaches EOL October 2013

12.10 reaches EOL April 2014

13.04 reaches EOL January 2014

So 12.10 is supported 3 months longer than 13.04. Then going forward;

13.10 reaches EOL July 2014

14.04 would be the next LTS so we might want to discuss the possibility of 
pursuing a 3 year (or 30 month) LTS at that time???

I maintain about 40 individual PC's 3/4 of which are using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and 
the other 1/4 are using Lubuntu 12.10 right now, so I'll personally probably 
skip upgrading them all to 13.04 right now.

I cc'ed Julien because I thought it wouldn't hurt to start a discussion 
regarding the possibility of an Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. Certainly not something we 
need to sort out immediately, but having used mostly Ubuntu LTS releases on 
most production machines since 8.04 I know it's kind of nice to wait until the 
first "point release" (eg: 12.04.1) before upgrading to the next LTS.

I would assume that the lions share of the security related updates during the 
life-cycle of an LTS are handled by Canonical, but I don't know that to be a 
fact, it's only an assumption.

OTOH since Lubuntu has gained official status my experience has been just as 
good as (actually better than) using Debian stable + LXDE, and I've discussed 
documenting a proper test-case for the Live CD upgrade option with Nicholas 
because I've largely found it to be a somewhat safer, and certainly faster way 
to upgrade than using the update manager.

Just thinking out loud,

Lance

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Changes in Ubuntu releases decided by the Ubuntu 
Technical Board
To: lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com, lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 6:00 PM

Hi everyone,
So, desktop is now to be 9 month support, LTS is to be LTS... Just waiting on 
how we are going to release a 'release' once the testing and QA guys have 
gotten our heads round it. Not here for me to blog, but the discussion of just 
how we are going to have a 'release' is important, so please have a think and 
get involved.

Regards,
Phill.




The following announcement is from Stéphane Graber, on behalf of the

Ubuntu Technical Board, about changes to releases decided at the

Ubuntu Technical Board meeting.



It's also published on the fridge if you wish to share this news

directly: 
http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/changes-in-ubuntu-releases-decided-by-the-ubuntu-technical-board/


and you can also read commentary from Rick Spencer, Vice President of

Ubuntu Engineering, on the importance and impact of these changes

here: 
http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/




In yesterday's meeting[0] we covered two of the topics from Mark's

proposal to the Technical Board:



== Reducing the length of support for our regular (non-LTS) releases ==



The rational here is that it's costing a lot of time to maintain all

those releases for 18 months. It's also causing a lot of load on the SRU

team and on developers to ensure that upgrading from one release to the

other won't cause regressions due to fixes being SRUed only to a few

releases.



The change in support length from 18 months to 9 months will reduce the

number of releases we need to support in parallel while still allowing

enough time for our users to upgrade to the next release.



This change will affect Ubuntu releases starting with 13.04, any older

regular release will still be supported for 18 months and LTS releases

will still be supported for 5 years.



This change was approved through two votes, the first about shortening

the support length to 9 months and the second about doing it starting

with 13.04. Both votes had all 3 attending Technical Board members'

approval and had general support by the other members from mailing-list

discussions.



== Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu

without having to explicitly upgrade ==



This discussion was about making it easier for some of our users to keep

their machine always on the current development release.



This has nothing to do with Rolling Releases and is purely about setting

up some kind of meta-series on the archive mirrors that people can use

instead of having to manually upgrade from one development release to

the next.



There again, all 3 present members agreed with this proposal.



== Other discussions ==



Outside of those two items, we also briefly discussed some changes to

our update tool to allow our users to upgrade by more than a single

release at a time.



In the current state of things we allow for upgrades from a release to

the next or from an LTS release to the next LTS release.



The plan here is to change that, so that a user of Ubuntu 12.10 could

directly update to Ubuntu 13.1

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] 13.04 pages

[Lance]

Going at this one chunk at a time :^)

When would it be appropriate to drop 10.04 instructions from the minimal 
install wiki:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall

I mean we weren't yet an official flavor then, Ubuntu 10.04 desktop reaches EOL 
this April, but Ubuntu 10.04 server is good for another 2 years :^)

Other than making that decision I think the minimal install page looks good.

Lance

--- On Tue, 3/19/13, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside 
Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] 13.04 pages
To: lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net, lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net, 
"Julien Lavergne" , "Jason Odoom" 
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 9:46 PM

Hi Folks,
Yes, I know this may seem a bit early... But after last time of getting caught 
out with the documentation not being ready to switch over. We have a new guy as 
TL (JasonO) of wiki, and we are well into the beta release of the wiki pages:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu --> 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/JasonOdoom

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases --> 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases/JasonOdoom

Can you please hunt for not just spelling mistakes, but for any links on it 
that you do not think will work for 13.04 - Please do note, that some of the 
links do not yet exist, they are the generic links.

Still to do, is:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO (Which needs tidying up 
any way).

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
@ Julien,  there is a note in "Minimal" at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Low_Resource_Browser
 As we never 'officially' supported xxxterm, would it be okay to change it to 
xombrero as it is now listed in the repos and appears on 
https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps (It is still not 
supported by us, but it is there :) ).

We're still okay for time, but April 4th will come quickly for the Doc-Freeze 
(even though Wiki is not under Doc freeze, we do have some people interested in 
translating them over). I'd so like us to have all our wiki pages sat there 
waiting to just be 'turned-on' on release day, which is coming at an alarming 
rate of knots! 

Regards,
Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] 13.04 pages

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Lance,

I want to keep 10.04 for as long as humanly possible as it was the last
release to support the 'really' old chipsets. I've yet to formulate how to
keep the kernel updates applied to it which will come via server.

Regards,

Phill.

On 20 March 2013 09:32, Lance  wrote:

> Going at this one chunk at a time :^)
>
> When would it be appropriate to drop 10.04 instructions from the minimal
> install wiki:
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
>
> I mean we weren't yet an official flavor then, Ubuntu 10.04 desktop
> reaches EOL this April, but Ubuntu 10.04 server is good for another 2 years
> :^)
>
> Other than making that decision I think the minimal install page looks
> good.
>
> Lance
>
> --- On Tue, 3/19/13, Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
> From: Phill Whiteside 
> Subject: [Lubuntu-qa] 13.04 pages
> To: lubuntu-wiki-d...@lists.launchpad.net, lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net,
> "Julien Lavergne" , "Jason Odoom" 
> Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 9:46 PM
>
> Hi Folks,
> Yes, I know this may seem a bit early... But after last time of getting
> caught out with the documentation not being ready to switch over. We have a
> new guy as TL (JasonO) of wiki, and we are well into the beta release of
> the wiki pages:
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu -->
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/JasonOdoom
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases -->
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases/JasonOdoom
>
> Can you please hunt for not just spelling mistakes, but for any links on
> it that you do not think will work for 13.04 - Please do note, that some of
> the links do not yet exist, they are the generic links.
>
> Still to do, is:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO (Which needs
> tidying up any way).
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
> @ Julien,  there is a note in "Minimal" at
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Low_Resource_Browser
>  As
> we never 'officially' supported xxxterm, would it be okay to change it to
> xombrero as it is now listed in the repos and appears on
> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/non-official-apps (It is
> still not supported by us, but it is there :) ).
>
> We're still okay for time, but April 4th will come quickly for the
> Doc-Freeze (even though Wiki is not under Doc freeze, we do have some
> people interested in translating them over). I'd so like us to have all our
> wiki pages sat there waiting to just be 'turned-on' on release day, which
> is coming at an alarming rate of knots!
>
> Regards,
> Phill.
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[Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new installation

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi,

I have downloaded the daily image 18-3-2013 for Lubuntu 13.04 i386 and
tried to install it on my ASUS F3F (Due Core @1.86GHz and less than 512MB
RAM). Please note that I had previously installed Lubutnu 13.04 but from an
old daily image and couldn't update and/or upgrade because of an issue with
my Wireless.

So, I have a multi-booting system with 12.10 as my main system and 12.04
and 13.04, all Lubuntu.

For the very first time in my Linux Life, 2 installation failed to login to
the desktop and this is really a surprise to me. I have done 1000
installations and there is nothing wrong with the process but something is
wrong somewhere and I can't just get it. Perhaps because I can't read the
error message clearly.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nv436d.jpg

This laptop has broken monitor so I must connect it to an External monitor
and I'm connecting it to my LCD 32" TV. You see from the screenshot/picture
that some of the text is missing.

Anyway, I formatted the partitions, installed again and got the same issue.
Even with Recovery Mode, same error. Yes, md5sum is checked.

Any idea? am I the only one?

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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new installation

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Ali,

can you post up a better screenshot? Having part of the error missing means
I cannot go look / ask what the error means.

Regards,

Phill.

On 20 March 2013 12:52, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have downloaded the daily image 18-3-2013 for Lubuntu 13.04 i386 and
> tried to install it on my ASUS F3F (Due Core @1.86GHz and less than 512MB
> RAM). Please note that I had previously installed Lubutnu 13.04 but from an
> old daily image and couldn't update and/or upgrade because of an issue with
> my Wireless.
>
> So, I have a multi-booting system with 12.10 as my main system and 12.04
> and 13.04, all Lubuntu.
>
> For the very first time in my Linux Life, 2 installation failed to login
> to the desktop and this is really a surprise to me. I have done 1000
> installations and there is nothing wrong with the process but something is
> wrong somewhere and I can't just get it. Perhaps because I can't read the
> error message clearly.
>
> http://i46.tinypic.com/2nv436d.jpg
>
> This laptop has broken monitor so I must connect it to an External monitor
> and I'm connecting it to my LCD 32" TV. You see from the screenshot/picture
> that some of the text is missing.
>
> Anyway, I formatted the partitions, installed again and got the same
> issue. Even with Recovery Mode, same error. Yes, md5sum is checked.
>
> Any idea? am I the only one?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new installation

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

Hi Phill,

I wish I could but as I explained, that picture was taken from my cell and
I'm connecting the laptop to an external LCD 32inch and this is all what I
can see. I have no idea how to get a full screen while I'm on shell or
whatever that is.

What shall I do?



On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi Ali,
>
> can you post up a better screenshot? Having part of the error missing
> means I cannot go look / ask what the error means.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On 20 March 2013 12:52, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have downloaded the daily image 18-3-2013 for Lubuntu 13.04 i386 and
>> tried to install it on my ASUS F3F (Due Core @1.86GHz and less than 512MB
>> RAM). Please note that I had previously installed Lubutnu 13.04 but from an
>> old daily image and couldn't update and/or upgrade because of an issue with
>> my Wireless.
>>
>> So, I have a multi-booting system with 12.10 as my main system and 12.04
>> and 13.04, all Lubuntu.
>>
>> For the very first time in my Linux Life, 2 installation failed to login
>> to the desktop and this is really a surprise to me. I have done 1000
>> installations and there is nothing wrong with the process but something is
>> wrong somewhere and I can't just get it. Perhaps because I can't read the
>> error message clearly.
>>
>> http://i46.tinypic.com/2nv436d.jpg
>>
>> This laptop has broken monitor so I must connect it to an External
>> monitor and I'm connecting it to my LCD 32" TV. You see from the
>> screenshot/picture that some of the text is missing.
>>
>> Anyway, I formatted the partitions, installed again and got the same
>> issue. Even with Recovery Mode, same error. Yes, md5sum is checked.
>>
>> Any idea? am I the only one?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new installation

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

I did my best to adjust the settings of my TV but that didn't help much :(

This is the best I managed to do so far: http://i47.tinypic.com/w2hojt.jpg

The internal monitor of the laptop is broken and can't show anything.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:

> Hi Phill,
>
> I wish I could but as I explained, that picture was taken from my cell and
> I'm connecting the laptop to an external LCD 32inch and this is all what I
> can see. I have no idea how to get a full screen while I'm on shell or
> whatever that is.
>
> What shall I do?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Hi Ali,
>>
>> can you post up a better screenshot? Having part of the error missing
>> means I cannot go look / ask what the error means.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> On 20 March 2013 12:52, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> I have downloaded the daily image 18-3-2013 for Lubuntu 13.04 i386 and
>>> tried to install it on my ASUS F3F (Due Core @1.86GHz and less than 512MB
>>> RAM). Please note that I had previously installed Lubutnu 13.04 but from an
>>> old daily image and couldn't update and/or upgrade because of an issue with
>>> my Wireless.
>>>
>>> So, I have a multi-booting system with 12.10 as my main system and 12.04
>>> and 13.04, all Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> For the very first time in my Linux Life, 2 installation failed to login
>>> to the desktop and this is really a surprise to me. I have done 1000
>>> installations and there is nothing wrong with the process but something is
>>> wrong somewhere and I can't just get it. Perhaps because I can't read the
>>> error message clearly.
>>>
>>> http://i46.tinypic.com/2nv436d.jpg
>>>
>>> This laptop has broken monitor so I must connect it to an External
>>> monitor and I'm connecting it to my LCD 32" TV. You see from the
>>> screenshot/picture that some of the text is missing.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I formatted the partitions, installed again and got the same
>>> issue. Even with Recovery Mode, same error. Yes, md5sum is checked.
>>>
>>> Any idea? am I the only one?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new installation

[Lance]

I think this is the message that is attempting to display:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-initrd-bug.html

Lance

--- On Wed, 3/20/13, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:

From: Ali Linx (amjjawad) 
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Lubuntu 13.04 failed twice to work after fresh new 
installation
To: "Phill Whiteside" 
Cc: lubuntu-qa@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 8:54 AM

I did my best to adjust the settings of my TV but that didn't help much :(
This is the best I managed to do so far: http://i47.tinypic.com/w2hojt.jpg

The internal monitor of the laptop is broken and can't show anything. 

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:

Hi Phill,
I wish I could but as I explained, that picture was taken from my cell and I'm 
connecting the laptop to an external LCD 32inch and this is all what I can see. 
I have no idea how to get a full screen while I'm on shell or whatever that is.


What shall I do?


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:


Hi Ali,
can you post up a better screenshot? Having part of the error missing means I 
cannot go look / ask what the error means.


Regards,
Phill.


On 20 March 2013 12:52, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:



Hi,
I have downloaded the daily image 18-3-2013 for Lubuntu 13.04 i386 and tried to 
install it on my ASUS F3F (Due Core @1.86GHz and less than 512MB RAM). Please 
note that I had previously installed Lubutnu 13.04 but from an old daily image 
and couldn't update and/or upgrade because of an issue with my Wireless.




So, I have a multi-booting system with 12.10 as my main system and 12.04 and 
13.04, all Lubuntu.
For the very first time in my Linux Life, 2 installation failed to login to the 
desktop and this is really a surprise to me. I have done 1000 installations and 
there is nothing wrong with the process but something is wrong somewhere and I 
can't just get it. Perhaps because I can't read the error message clearly.




http://i46.tinypic.com/2nv436d.jpg
This laptop has broken monitor so I must connect it to an External monitor and 
I'm connecting it to my LCD 32" TV. You see from the screenshot/picture that 
some of the text is missing.




Anyway, I formatted the partitions, installed again and got the same issue. 
Even with Recovery Mode, same error. Yes, md5sum is checked.
Any idea? am I the only one?




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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Changes in Ubuntu releases decided by the Ubuntu Technical Board

[Ali Linx (amjjawad)]

>
> *The 3 items the Technical Board has voted on and accepted are considered as
> final*. *We do not expect to have to vote again on any of this and are
> just waiting on the implementation of those*.



Then what exactly are we going to discuss or need to discuss since this is
final?
Typical Canonical Style - making their own decisions then: "hey people,
there you go. Take it or leave it". As if they have asked anyone before
that :D

Anyway, I care the most about Lubuntu and I shall be as long as Lubuntu is
alive.

What is coming next? I don't really care. I won't be surprise at all :D

As Julien said, we do have a plan to stick to and release 13.04 and that is
what we all should worry about at the moment, IMHO.

Thanks!


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> So, desktop is now to be 9 month support, LTS is to be LTS... Just waiting
> on how we are going to release a 'release' once the testing and QA guys
> have gotten our heads round it. Not here for me to blog, but the discussion
> of just how we are going to have a 'release' is important, so please have a
> think and get involved.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
>
> The following announcement is from Stéphane Graber, on behalf of the
> Ubuntu Technical Board, about changes to releases decided at the
> Ubuntu Technical Board meeting.
>
> It's also published on the fridge if you wish to share this news
> directly:
> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/changes-in-ubuntu-releases-decided-by-the-ubuntu-technical-board/
> and you can also read commentary from Rick Spencer, Vice President of
> Ubuntu Engineering, on the importance and impact of these changes
> here:
> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/
>
> In yesterday's meeting[0] we covered two of the topics from Mark's
> proposal to the Technical Board:
>
> == Reducing the length of support for our regular (non-LTS) releases ==
>
> The rational here is that it's costing a lot of time to maintain all
> those releases for 18 months. It's also causing a lot of load on the SRU
> team and on developers to ensure that upgrading from one release to the
> other won't cause regressions due to fixes being SRUed only to a few
> releases.
>
> The change in support length from 18 months to 9 months will reduce the
> number of releases we need to support in parallel while still allowing
> enough time for our users to upgrade to the next release.
>
> This change will affect Ubuntu releases starting with 13.04, any older
> regular release will still be supported for 18 months and LTS releases
> will still be supported for 5 years.
>
> This change was approved through two votes, the first about shortening
> the support length to 9 months and the second about doing it starting
> with 13.04. Both votes had all 3 attending Technical Board members'
> approval and had general support by the other members from mailing-list
> discussions.
>
> == Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu
> without having to explicitly upgrade ==
>
> This discussion was about making it easier for some of our users to keep
> their machine always on the current development release.
>
> This has nothing to do with Rolling Releases and is purely about setting
> up some kind of meta-series on the archive mirrors that people can use
> instead of having to manually upgrade from one development release to
> the next.
>
> There again, all 3 present members agreed with this proposal.
>
> == Other discussions ==
>
> Outside of those two items, we also briefly discussed some changes to
> our update tool to allow our users to upgrade by more than a single
> release at a time.
>
> In the current state of things we allow for upgrades from a release to
> the next or from an LTS release to the next LTS release.
>
> The plan here is to change that, so that a user of Ubuntu 12.10 could
> directly update to Ubuntu 13.10 or 14.04 LTS.
>
> This change should make the life of our users much easier and will
> ensure that we get to the next LTS with much more reliable and well
> tested upgrades.
>
> The Technical Board didn't feel that there would be anything to vote on
> at this time and leaves the implementation and testing of this to the
> various teams involved (Foundations, QA, Release).
>
> The 3 items the Technical Board has voted on and accepted are considered
> as final. We do not expect to have to vote again on any of this and are
> just waiting on the implementation of those.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> [0]
> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-18-21.01.moin.txt
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Changes in Ubuntu releases decided by the Ubuntu Technical Board

[Phill Whiteside]

13.10 planned release schedule will be in place before the weekend.

Regards,

Phill.

On 20 March 2013 17:28, Ali Linx (amjjawad)  wrote:

> *The 3 items the Technical Board has voted on and accepted are considered as
>> final*. *We do not expect to have to vote again on any of this and are
>> just waiting on the implementation of those*.
>
>
>
> Then what exactly are we going to discuss or need to discuss since this is
> final?
> Typical Canonical Style - making their own decisions then: "hey people,
> there you go. Take it or leave it". As if they have asked anyone before
> that :D
>
> Anyway, I care the most about Lubuntu and I shall be as long as Lubuntu is
> alive.
>
> What is coming next? I don't really care. I won't be surprise at all :D
>
> As Julien said, we do have a plan to stick to and release 13.04 and that
> is what we all should worry about at the moment, IMHO.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> So, desktop is now to be 9 month support, LTS is to be LTS... Just
>> waiting on how we are going to release a 'release' once the testing and QA
>> guys have gotten our heads round it. Not here for me to blog, but the
>> discussion of just how we are going to have a 'release' is important, so
>> please have a think and get involved.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>>
>> The following announcement is from Stéphane Graber, on behalf of the
>> Ubuntu Technical Board, about changes to releases decided at the
>> Ubuntu Technical Board meeting.
>>
>> It's also published on the fridge if you wish to share this news
>> directly:
>> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/changes-in-ubuntu-releases-decided-by-the-ubuntu-technical-board/
>> and you can also read commentary from Rick Spencer, Vice President of
>> Ubuntu Engineering, on the importance and impact of these changes
>> here:
>> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/ubuntu-technical-board-looks-at-shuttleworths-proposal-for-release-management-methodology/
>>
>> In yesterday's meeting[0] we covered two of the topics from Mark's
>> proposal to the Technical Board:
>>
>> == Reducing the length of support for our regular (non-LTS) releases ==
>>
>> The rational here is that it's costing a lot of time to maintain all
>> those releases for 18 months. It's also causing a lot of load on the SRU
>> team and on developers to ensure that upgrading from one release to the
>> other won't cause regressions due to fixes being SRUed only to a few
>> releases.
>>
>> The change in support length from 18 months to 9 months will reduce the
>> number of releases we need to support in parallel while still allowing
>> enough time for our users to upgrade to the next release.
>>
>> This change will affect Ubuntu releases starting with 13.04, any older
>> regular release will still be supported for 18 months and LTS releases
>> will still be supported for 5 years.
>>
>> This change was approved through two votes, the first about shortening
>> the support length to 9 months and the second about doing it starting
>> with 13.04. Both votes had all 3 attending Technical Board members'
>> approval and had general support by the other members from mailing-list
>> discussions.
>>
>> == Enable users to continuously track the development focus of Ubuntu
>> without having to explicitly upgrade ==
>>
>> This discussion was about making it easier for some of our users to keep
>> their machine always on the current development release.
>>
>> This has nothing to do with Rolling Releases and is purely about setting
>> up some kind of meta-series on the archive mirrors that people can use
>> instead of having to manually upgrade from one development release to
>> the next.
>>
>> There again, all 3 present members agreed with this proposal.
>>
>> == Other discussions ==
>>
>> Outside of those two items, we also briefly discussed some changes to
>> our update tool to allow our users to upgrade by more than a single
>> release at a time.
>>
>> In the current state of things we allow for upgrades from a release to
>> the next or from an LTS release to the next LTS release.
>>
>> The plan here is to change that, so that a user of Ubuntu 12.10 could
>> directly update to Ubuntu 13.10 or 14.04 LTS.
>>
>> This change should make the life of our users much easier and will
>> ensure that we get to the next LTS with much more reliable and well
>> tested upgrades.
>>
>> The Technical Board didn't feel that there would be anything to vote on
>> at this time and leaves the implementation and testing of this to the
>> various teams involved (Foundations, QA, Release).
>>
>> The 3 items the Technical Board has voted on and accepted are considered
>> as final. We do not expect to have to vote again on any of this and are
>> just waiting on the implementation of those.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> [0]
>> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-03-18-21.01.moin.txt
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw

Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Fwd: Changes in Ubuntu releases decided by the Ubuntu Technical Board

[Julien Lavergne]

2013/3/20 Lance :
> I cc'ed Julien because I thought it wouldn't hurt to start a discussion 
> regarding the possibility of an Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. Certainly not something we 
> need to sort out immediately, but having used mostly Ubuntu LTS releases on 
> most production machines since 8.04 I know it's kind of nice to wait until 
> the first "point release" (eg: 12.04.1) before upgrading to the next LTS.

Don't worry, it's already in my head. I'm just waiting for 13.04 to be
properly released before starting the flow of discussion. It's not
impossible to go for a 14.04 LTS release, but the detail need to be
discussed, and are dependent to many factors (our release model, the
content of what we want to release ...). I'm not avoiding the
discussion, just postponed it to next month :-)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-qa] build fails

[Jackson Doak]

there are a number of fail-to-builds in the tracker,
including ubuntu nexus7, lubuntu ac100 and all the upgrade testcases.
can someone fix this?
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