Announcing Ubuntu User Day - January 23, 2010
Greetings; The Ubuntu User Days Team would like to announce the first Ubuntu User Day, on January 23, 2010. This will be a very informative one day session geared towards beginner and intermediate Ubuntu users, as well as people who are interested in using Ubuntu. We have 14 classes covering topics ranging from installing Ubuntu, finding help, equivalent programs, using IRC, getting involved in the Ubuntu Community and more. We have enlisted the help of many talented people to lead these classes throughout the day. These classes will be taught in #ubuntu-classroom with questions being asked in #ubuntu-classroom-chat on irc.freenode.net. Please visit http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays for a complete class list and schedule of classes. There is also a Spanish version of Ubuntu User Days being offered on January, 23, 2010. Please visit Día Del Usuario Ubuntu at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiaDelUsuarioUbuntu for more information on the Spanish Ubuntu User Day! Please take a few minutes over the next week or so to promote the Ubuntu User Day to people you know, in your LoCo Team, in your blog, or any other resources you may have access to. Respectfully Submitted, Chris Johnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org cjohnston on irc.freenode.net -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Ubuntu Global Jam - 26 March - 28 March 2010
Good day! Hopefully by now you have heard of the Ubuntu Global Jam [1] coming up in March. The dates for the Global Jam this cycle are the 26th through the 28th of March 2010. We are hoping to make this Global Jam extremely successful, and we need your help in doing it. We are wanting to have events in as many places as possible not only to help to improve Ubuntu, but also to help promote Ubuntu. *What is the Global Jam?* The Ubuntu Global Jam is an online and in person event that takes place all across the world. People get together with the interest of making Ubuntu better, while having a good time socializing with other people near you who have the same interest and passion about Ubuntu as you do. *What can your LoCo do?* The Ubuntu Global Jam has many different events that for users to participate in, just pick what you and your members like, and make it happen. You can pick from one or more of the following events: *Bug Jam* - During a bug jam users would work on finding, triaging and fixing bugs. *Testing Jam* - Lucid is due out the end of April and we need help testing it out prior to its release. *Upgrade Jam* - Upgrade systems that are currently running older versions of Ubuntu and report your experience. *Documentation Jam* - Write documentation about using Ubuntu, or joining the Ubuntu community, or work on making the existing documentation better. *Translations Jam* - Help to make Ubuntu available to everyone. Help translate Ubuntu into your language. *Packaging Jam* - Help out with improving packages in Ubuntu. *Other* - If your team has some other aspect of helping out the Ubuntu Community, feel free to participate in that for the Global Jam. You can find out more information about the different types of Jams on the Ubuntu Global Jams wiki page [1]. *How do we run a Jam?* If you have never run a Global Jam event before, or if you have, but would like some fresh ideas, we have three training sessions scheduled between now and the Global Jam event. The training sessions will be held by JorgeCastro and will be held in #ubuntu-locoteams on freenode. The training sessions will take place on: 17 February 2010 at 18:00 UTC 26 February 2010 at 2100 UTC 10 March 2010 at 2100 UTC All three training sessions will contain tips, tricks, pointers and advice on how to run a Jam. You can also find out more information at the Running An Event page [2] on the Ubuntu Wiki. *What is needed to run a Jam?* In order to effectively run a Jam, each event will need a place to meet that has a decent internet connection, as well as some computers, and an area that users can work in. Suggested places are Universities, schools, and neighborhood centers. Don't forget after you find a place to run your Jam and have decided what your LoCo wants to do during the Jam, you need to get the word out about your Jam! Blog about it, post it on Twitter and Identi.ca, place it on the Ubuntu Global Jam Events page [2], send emails to your LoCo's mailing lists, and anything else that you can think of. The more people that participate, the more fun that you will have, and the more help that can be provided to improve Ubuntu. *Need more help?* Read about what other LoCo's have done at their Global Jam events for more thoughts and ideas [3] and if you are still in need of more help, or have questions that aren't covered anywhere, feel free to contact myself via email or on IRC, or attend one of the training sessions listed above. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Stories Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Announcing the Ubuntu.com Website Localization Project
Good Day; It is my pleasure to announce a new project to better the Ubuntu.com website experience, specifically for users who prefer a language other than English. The new project, called Website Localization [1] will put a short (4-5 word) message on any www.Ubuntu.com <http://www.ubuntu.com/> web page directing users to more resources in their preferred language. This project has two main parts to it. The first part of the Website Localization project is the technical aspect of the project. It is the goal of the project to create a script that will pull out of a users web browser their preferred language. After obtaining this information, the script will cross reference this language against a list of languages that have approved resources offered, and then display a short link to their languages landing page. The second part of this project is creating landing pages for as many resources as possible. This part of the project will be done by LoCos and the i18n team. The landing pages will be on the wiki, and will be ever changing to direct users to the best information that we can give them. Currently, the goal is to have the project completed and implemented by the end of May. I would also like to have a working demo of the project by April 19th so that we have plenty of time to fix any problems that arise prior to the final implementation of this project. I can't do all of this myself, so I am going to need help from the Ubuntu community. At this point, I need some assistance with the technical side of the project. I need a few people to create the script that will detect the users preferred language, and then show them a link to the landing page in their language. If you have the skills needed to help out with this Website Localization project, please send me an email with your name, launchpad account, a little bit of information about the experience you have and your general ability (time zone, and anything else that may help me out). My goal is to get a group of a few people to work on the technical aspect of this project and have a meeting in the next few weeks to discuss the project in a little more detail, and determine the best way to make this happen. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Call for Ubuntu User Days Instructors
Greetings! It's time to start planning for the second Ubuntu User Day! This time it will be held on June 5, 2010. We are going to attempt to fill 24 time slots so that everyone around the world has the ability to participate in the User Day! You can find out more information about Ubuntu User Days by visiting the Ubuntu User Day wiki page [1] or the planning wiki page [2]. To sign up to lead a session, visit the Course Suggestions wiki page [3] and look through the course suggestions that we have provided. We are also willing to take your suggestions on other courses to teach, just keep in mind that Ubuntu User Days are geared towards new and newer Ubuntu Users. You can see the logs [4] from the last Ubuntu User Day to see some of the courses that were taught then. Please feel free to email me if you have any questions and I look forward to working with you soon. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/Logs/January2010 On behalf of the Ubuntu User Days Team, -- Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: A Loco Directory Review
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Daniel Holbach wrote: > Am 20.08.2010 02:32, schrieb YoBoY: > > > The word "LoCo" is an acronym who stand for Local Community. I know > > that. But my mom and a lot of people don't know that. The front page > > have 9 "LoCo" in it but 0 Local Community. > > I agree it'd be nice to have some explanatory text on the main page. Can > somebody file a bug with some suggestion for a piece of text? > > It already has "Local Community (LoCo)" Without spoon feeding, what else could we do? > >> All Launchpad team owners and admins should go and > >> - visit their Launchpad team page and change the display name > >> of the team to "Ubuntu" (don't change the > >> launchpad ID of the team) > >> - visit their team page in loco.ubuntu.com and select the country > >> they are doing their lion share of good work > >> > >> Please let's all make and effort to get this right! > >> > > All the teams ar not "One country" based. I can't do that, change the > > name, for my team. > > Well, in some cases it might need a bit of thinking to come up with > something that is more revealing than, just as an example, 'ubuntu-fr', > but I'm sure we can get this right. > > > > Having the countries is a big step. Perhaps just adding the country > > after the team name, or making some automatic filtering to mask the > > ubuntu and the team words where we can. > > Does the search filter on country names of the team? > > > > I searched for France, ubuntu-fr, catalan. The result is the same, the > > page don't change. > > Is there a bug for it? > > > >>> It's amazing how many events are listed here. And I can search on > >>> country name, city name, team name, month name, but not in my own > >>> language. And I can see the past events. This list is even bigger. > >>> But it seems I can't yet filter it. > >>> > >> Searching in your language might be a bit hard to implement. Where do > >> you see the past events? > >> > >> > >> > > > > http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/history/ << the events page, the submenu > > have the link to it. > > It was decided that a link was not wanted to view ALL events.. Instead you can view event history for each team by visiting their page.. There's a link. > Is there a bug for the broken event search? > > > >>> -> Provides local support. Lot of teams say Yes. But what is local > support ? > >>> > >> It might make sense to be able to add a link explaining where to get > >> that local support. > >> > > But what is "Local support" ? it's realy a community thing ? > > It's always been part of the LoCoTeamsList wiki page. I encourage to > have a debate about the purpose and sense of this. Until a conclusion is > reached I wouldn't change anything in the LoCo Directory though. > > > >> What do you suggest in terms of "social network integration"? > > > > The possibility to see the twitts on the event page. The facebook event > > link. > > Can somebody file bugs for this? > > Have a great day, > Daniel > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Ubuntu LoCo Team Directory - A Call for Translations
Greetings; This morning the LoCo Team Directory Dev Team released a new version of the LoCo Team Directory [0] (v0.2.18). With this release there are quite a few new cool features including: - The use of real names instead of user names - Picture feeds throughout the LoCo Directory - Access to the #ubuntu-locoteams channel on freenode directly from the LoCo Directory website - Use of the new "Ubuntu Font" With all of these changes, there are also a number of changes to the translation strings. We would like to ask your help in updating the translations for the LoCo Team Directory. If you would like to help us translate the Ubuntu LoCo Team Directory, please visit the translations page [1] on Launchpad. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask myself or one of the other LoCo Team Directory Devs [2] or join #ubuntu-locoteams on freenode. [0] http://loco.ubuntu.com/ [1] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/loco-directory [2] https://edge.launchpad.net/~loco-directory-dev Respectfully, Chris Johnston -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Ubuntu LoCo Team Directory Updates
Greetings; The LoCo Directory Developers have been hard at work in the past few weeks and this morning pushed out a new release of the LoCo Team Directory. One of the major changes in the new version of the LoCo Team Directory is that local times are finally displayed on event pages thanks to Michael Hall. The time zone displayed is based upon the time zone specified for the venue that is used. For example, if the venue you are using for your event is in Orlando, Florida, you would need to set the time zone for the venue to US/Eastern and the event will display the time in EST. To make this work though, all venues that are currently in the LoCo Team Directory need to be updated to reflect their correct time zone. There were many other bugs fixed in this release which you can view [0] in Launchpad. Another big feature is that you can "turn off" registration to an event in the LoCo Team Directory for instances where registration is being handled elsewhere and providing a link to that registration site. We have also fixed the search function on the LoCo Team Directory which is now a site-wide search. Something else that I wanted to mention is that there is now a mailing list specifically for discussion about the LoCo Team Directory. You can sign up for the mailing list [1] and join the discussions by sending an email to loco-directory at lists.ubuntu.com. [0] https://launchpad.net/loco-directory/+milestone/0.2.21 [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-directory Respectfully, Chris Johnston on behalf of the LoCo Directory Developers -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Mailinglist in Launchpad
Marcus, As specified on [1] "Mailing List - Mailing lists are hosted by Canonical at http://lists.ubuntu.com/ and each LoCo team should have a mailing list. An ubuntu-CC (CC is the ISO country code) mailing list for general discussion about Ubuntu in your language should be created. Email r...@ubuntu.com to request the creation of a mailing list. The list should be created within 2 weeks. If it is not, please contact the LoCo council to find out whether there is a problem with the request. United States teams should append the two-letter US Postal Code abbreviation for the relevant state (e.g. ubuntu-us-ca)." And then specified on [2] "If your project is only loosely connected to Ubuntu and your team is using Launchpad anyway, a Launchpad mailing list might be more appropriate." Both of these tend to lead in the direction that a LoCo team mailing list should be on lists.ubuntu.com [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailingLists?action=show&redirect=MailingList#Requesting a list Chris On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > Hi all. > > At the moment we (the Swiss team) have a mailinglist within the > lists.ubuntu.com space, which is not that bad. > > But, we would also like to make this list visible within our launchpad site, > allowing ppl to easily join the conversation. > > Is there a way to keep that 'classic' list but integrate it into launchpad > in some kind of form? > > Greets > Marcus > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Mailinglist in Launchpad
That isnt possible unless you create a launchpad mailing list. I was providing information showing that for a LoCo team, lists.ubuntu.com is the recommended place for hosting the making list, and not launchpad. Chris On Jun 10, 2011 9:02 AM, "Marcus Moeller" wrote: > Hi Chris. > >> As specified on [1] "Mailing List - Mailing lists are hosted by >> Canonical at http://lists.ubuntu.com/ and each LoCo team should have a >> mailing list. An ubuntu-CC (CC is the ISO country code) mailing list >> for general discussion about Ubuntu in your language should be >> created. Email r...@ubuntu.com to request the creation of a mailing >> list. The list should be created within 2 weeks. If it is not, please >> contact the LoCo council to find out whether there is a problem with >> the request. United States teams should append the two-letter US >> Postal Code abbreviation for the relevant state (e.g. ubuntu-us-ca)." > > As written earlier [1], this is where our list is located: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch > > (for a lot of years now) > > I am just looking for a way to allow users to subsribe to this list > using launchpad [2]. > > > [1] >> At the moment we (the Swiss team) have a mailinglist within the >>> lists.ubuntu.com space, which is not that bad. > > >>> But, we would also like to make this list visible within our launchpad site, >>> allowing ppl to easily join the conversation. > > [2] >> Is there a way to keep that 'classic' list but integrate it into > launchpad >>> in some kind of form? > > Greets > Marcus > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Mailinglist in Launchpad
Marcus, You aren't going to the LoCo Council. This mailing list is the LoCo Contacts mailing list. As far as provide input and feedback, it has been done. Input and feedback how to make this happen. The rest of the discussion is not relevant to the council. Chris On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > Dear Paul. > > Hmm, could we as the LoCo members perhaps declare the demand in a > different form? no, but we could grab the source and get on with it :) https://dev.launchpad.net/ https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting https://dev.launchpad.net/Hacking it is a bit of a beast to set up a local launchpad, but can be done. >>> >>> I could install it, but I could not code a patch, because I am no >>> programmer. >>> >>> Greets >>> Marcus >>> >>> -- >>> loco-contacts mailing list >>> loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts >>> >> >> Can we please stop this discussion? Let's take this off the list. >> >> We got the point around, feel free to keep it going without the CC to >> loco-contacts. You can also see if you can get some input on >> #launchpad on irc.freenode if you'd like. > > This was not meant for technical discussion, just to get a feeling of what I > can expect from the LoCo council based on one of the statements: > > * To provide input and feedback to other Ubuntu governance boards regarding > the needs and achievements of the LoCo community. > > But maybe I got that sentence wrong. > > Greets > Marcus > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
LoCo Team Directory Translation Updates
Greetings; I am working on finalizing updates to the LoCo Team Directory [0] to push out a new release in the next week. There have been many changes to the translation strings for the LoCo Team Directory. I am hoping to have the release ready to go by Wednesday, so I would very much appreciate it if our translators could take a look [1] and update any translation strings that need to be updated prior to then. I am also sending this email out to the LoCo Contacts in hopes that they will forward the translation requests on to their team members, hoping that we could get some new translators involved in this great project. I would be willing to do a secondary release a few days or a week after the initial release if there are enough translations done after Wednesday that would warrant an update. We have some changes coming up this cycle to the LoCo Team Directory that I believe will create a fair amount of new strings that will need to be translated. More on that will come later as we progress through the cycle. I would also ask that translators file bugs [2] on any strings that could be worded differently to make translations easier. Also, if you have any ideas or suggestions that may not quite fit a bug report, feel free to contact us on the Community Web Projects mailing list [3]. [0] http://loco.ubuntu.com [1] https://translations.launchpad.net/loco-directory [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/community-web-projects Thanks in advance! Chris Johnston on behalf of the LoCo Team Directory Developers -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
I think this would fall under that 5% that someone, I believe Paul, mentioned. Chris On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:51 AM, GatoLoko wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > El 29/06/11 23:37, Paul Tagliamonte escribió: >> Hi, Dmitry, >> >> This will be the subject of an upcoming LEP / RFC Mail, let's just >> focus on "true" LoCos, first >> >> All the best, >> Paul >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Dmitry Agafonov >> wrote: >>> What about language-based loco teams? >>> > > What about countries which code is shared for country AND language? > > Acording to that rule, the Spanish (as in country) community should be > "ubuntu-es", but the language code is "es" too, and the spanish team (as > in language) was created earlier, so they took "ubuntu-es" and then we > used agreed with the community manager to use "ubuntu-es-es" for the > country team. > > Should we change this according to the new rules or is our exception > still valid? > > - -- > Raúl Soriano (GatoLoko), SpainTeam Local Community Contact. > http://www.ubuntuspain.org - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GatoLoko > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iF4EAREIAAYFAk4MOSAACgkQMF2GslzCSEsMdAD/TGhYExdCZ8E+jm7Ei0MVViWL > fftrQW2JK3tldoiDkAwA/R2MhQ5pSTKy8BE5iRnQ/4O4HkDpMw/BX8jY/CRlDEFM > =LmRH > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:26 AM, YoBoY wrote: > I don't understand why a LoCoDirectory display problem is making its way to > give headaches to the loco teams. I am well aware of this display problem I > have pointed it last year in august in my review of the loco directory, and > I'll welcome every loco directory action to make this list readable. Sounds great.. I'll review your MPs. > A last thing, this naming convention is not a locoteam problem for me, it's > a loco directory problem. Stop trying to make the loco directory a front-end > of launchpad if you want to resolve this and let teams choose a "main > country" and an optional "region/city" to create a good automatic team list > in this tool. You already let us choose countries and language, it's just > two more fields. And this way the Team list can also be translatable. > A last thing, this naming convention is not a locoteam problem for me, it's > a loco directory problem. Stop trying to make the loco directory a front-end > of launchpad if you want to resolve this and let teams choose a "main > country" and an optional "region/city" to create a good automatic team list > in this tool. You already let us choose countries and language, it's just > two more fields. And this way the Team list can also be translatable. > How do you propose to make LoCo Directory "not a front end for Launchpad?" Teams already have the ability to specify Country, State/Province/Region, and City. > Regards, > > YoBoY Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
2011/6/30 Fabián Rodríguez : > Dropping the "Local Community Team" and other suffix variations of it > would also help in branding, as it's easier not to translate such > phrases - perhaps just keepin "Team" is more meaningful at this point. > I disagree with removing the "Local Community Team" suffix.. Let me tell you why.. That way, when someone finds the Launchpad page for the team, they will know exactly what they are looking at. It would be easy to drop it from the list on LoCo Directory when they all follow the same convention. I can't take 42 different naming conventions though and make them look good together. Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
I don't know if you read Laura's blog post or not, but there is enough trouble with getting teams to add their team contacts to LoCo Directory.. Adding more fields for teams to need to change isn't going to fix anything if they aren't already editing their team details. BTW, all but the team name is editable in LD. Chris On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:28 AM, YoBoY wrote: > Le 30/06/2011 15:24, Chris Johnston a écrit : >> >> How do you propose to make LoCo Directory "not a front end for >> Launchpad?" Teams already have the ability to specify Country, >> State/Province/Region, and City. > > I'm refering to the fact Launchpad can't have (and don't have) all the > informations relative to the loco teams. It was great to have launchpad to > fill some basic informations for the loco teams when you started the loco > directory, but we always have to fill the blanks. > > So my opinion is we can now let launchpad do what is doing best (login, > users, groups, membership) and start having more Loco Team content in the > loco directory (countries, langages, ld team name, team conctacts, ...). Let > the teams use their launchpad names or another name defined in the loco > directory, don't use team names for global team list but a standard > translatable constructed name based on the main country and region/city > defined in the loco directory and I think everything will be fine. > > YoBoY > > > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
[RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
Proposed-By: Chris Johnston ; Paul Tagliamonte Scope: All LoCo Teams, Worldwide Status: Draft Rational: Local Community Teams vs Locale Teams Greetings, Before we start, I'd like to make clear that this is in *no way* a critisism of how steller teams, such as Ubuntu France or the Catalan team are run. We both have the utmost respect for how well-managed and run the teams are, and look forward to their continued success. This is more of a philosophical guideline on how it "should" be. I would like to propose that we define what is already said in that a LoCo Team (or Local Team) is a location based team (as meant by local) and not a locale based team. It seems as though groups are forming language based teams, and treating them as local teams. The scope of the LoCo Team, and the LoCo Team Directory is that of users in a common location getting together as a community, and doing things as a community. The point of a locale based team is not properly able to support having events and gatherings under the scope of the LoCo Community. The proposal further states that locale based teams be moved into teams of their own, which can be made into a parent team of the LoCo, if all members of the LoCo are engaged in such activities. Teams like ubuntu-eo and ubuntu-fr seem to cover all countries that speak a given language, however, I'd hardly call an activity in Belgium local to an activity in Canada. In short, I'd like to propose that LoCo teams try to stay within geopolitical bounds. As a solution, it would be nice to have "super-teams" that allow cross-team collaboration for LoCos, and LoCo Teams be members of this "super-team." This would look something like: ubuntu-language-XX +-> ubuntu-NN +-> ubuntu-MM With ubuntu-language-XX being the "super-team" and "ubuntu-NN" as well as "ubuntu-MM" being the LoCo Teams. In this situation, the orginizational unit "ubuntu-language-ISO_CODE" would not be a LoCo Team it's self, but would allow teams to share resources, such as support channels and support forums, while not trying to tackle more then one country per ISO code. This should actually provide a higher level of support from both the community, as more people will be focusing in one area, rather than a few people focusing on multiple different areas, as well as from Canonical, in the form of 6-month CD allocations, and other LoCo team care packages. Respectfully Submitted for comments, Chris Johnston and Paul Tagliamonte -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
Yao, You could do that, or you could just do ubuntu-language-zh-hant and ubuntu-language-zh-hans. My goal with this is more to have Local Community Teams be different than language teams. I can't speak for Paul or the LoCo Council, but in my opinion, the language teams fall outside the realm of the Council, and therefore, people could do as they please, I am just simply providing an option on how language teams could exist. Chris On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote: > How about a language like Chinese, which has variants spreading over east > Asia such as zh-hant, zh-hans, zh-yue, etc.? > Do we have to use a team structure like: > > ubuntu-language-zh > + ubuntu-language-zh-hant > + ubuntu-tw > + ubuntu-hk (unsure if exists) > + ubuntu-language-zh-hans > + ubuntu-cn > > Thanks, > > -- > loco-contacts mailing list > loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts > > -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
Comments inline. On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:56 AM, YoBoY wrote: > Hi, > Let me just remind you that lot of Local Community Teams are also Language > Teams (correct me if I'm wrong). The only difference is for teams where the > language is shared by more than one country. The first Local Community team > providing a good online support with a forum, documentation and other tools > will become in fact the language support team for all the others. Now there > is exceptions like the new Esperanto team. Local Community teams are regional teams. > Now what do you want. Each team who provide language support split in two > teams? But where? in Launchpad? everywhere on the network with two names > (dns, irc, ...)? For the native language support we have to create new teams > ? Where a new user searching for support have to go to find online help? To use French as an example, There is currently the Ubuntu France team. It does not make sense for someone in Florida to join that team. Here is why: they won't be able to attend release parties, events, etc. The recommendation that was made is to create: ubuntu-language-fr Now.. The Ubuntu France team joins this team.. And it's my understanding that Quebec has a large French speaking population. So maybe the Quebec LoCo Team (if such thing exists) joins the ubuntu-language-fr team. And I have a buddy here in Florida who speaks french. Well.. He isn't in Quebec, so their release parties and Ubuntu Hours won't do him any good. Then there is Ubuntu France.. Well.. As we already determined, he isn't there either.. So he joins ubuntu-language-fr, and participates with the French community in that way. The same thing could happen with Spanish speaking people around the world. Each country has their own team (as pretty much already exists), and they all join together on support and documentation, etc. > I finish with a last question because nobody seems to want to talk about > that. What is the place of a language support team in the Ubuntu world? I can't speak for anyone else, buy IMO, the place of a language support team would be to provide support and documentation, etc. Combine with the translation teams and do translations. Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Christophe Sauthier (Huats) wrote: > Yes Ubuntu-fr is present in many countries since we have a huge > collection of documentation pages and our forum is very active. So > naturally people are present all over the world, because so many > resources attracts people... A kind of snowball effect. > So I would say that the websites and the IRC activiites runned by > ubuntu-fr are covering all countries. But I am sure that anybody will > agree with me on saying that it is the purpose of Internet. > On another side, ubuntu-fr is not covering IRL events in many corner > of the world. We are focussing on France (and are doing collaboration > event with border-side LoCos from time to time). So no ubuntu-fr is > not covering all countries that speak french. Ok.. So.. Instead of just having this stuff run by Ubuntu France, run it by anyone and any teams that speak French from around the world, with Ubuntu France continuing to participate, and even continue to lead the charge. However, when it comes to LoCo Directory, and the Local Community Team, someone in Canada probably won't be attending your 11.10 release party, so why should they be a part of the local (geography) team. They shouldn't. They should be a part of the locale (language) team. > Sharing is already what we have try to do in the Past. I have > souvenirs of such idea with some french speaking locos with who we > decided to join forces and to link they forum to our...But the > realisation is REALLY painful and honnestly it is not doable... I think that this is suggesting that because there may now be many French speaking LoCo teams, Canonical would do the sharing (when the other French speaking teams become approved). [Paul wrote this part] > Regarding your proposal, by instance for ubuntu-language-fr for the > super team and ubuntu-fr for our traditionnal LoCo, how / where do you > imagine the organisation of the super team ? only on the loco > directory ? Because honnestly I can't imagine moving all our > infrastructure of forums and IRC (even if the latter would be simpler) > to that. The organization would be done in the same way that the News Team, the Community Web Team, the Beginners Team, Bug Control and tons of other teams do. It would be possible to use one of the LoCo Teams to establish the meeting on the LoCo Team Directory, or, at some point the developers of the LoCo Team Directory do wish to create a Global Directory, which could do this, however I am yet to convince YoBoY to learn python, and I don't have time time. > Do you plan to do the same for all language including english ? and by > instance to have ubuntu-language-en that will share all the support > activities for english ? It is just a question not trying to find weak > points. The English language is somewhat already setup for this. #ubuntu is used for support, and supported by many English speaking people, who I can only imagine some of them are part of LoCo Teams. Setting up ubuntu-language-en would just be creating a team for something that is already done without any team being created. But the Florida team doesn't have it's own support channel (though we will do support in the channel when needed, as I think anyone would), but we normally use #ubuntu for support. > Regarding that I would be in favor of putting that super team in the > LoCo directory so that it would be simpler for a newcomer to discover > the various teams, but not to apply it to the other ressources. And > by the way I think it is a good idea... The language teams will not go into LoCo Directory as they do not fit into the Local (geographical) community. The French team and the Quebec team would be in the LoCo Directory as they are Local Teams. Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:09 AM, YoBoY wrote: > I think the problem of all of our misunderstandings is we don't have one > clear definition since the beginning of what a "LoCo team" have to take in > charge. I can read in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto that : "LoCo > teams are predominantly set up to do interesting things such as advocacy, > education, support, translations or other tasks" On that very same page it states: "When deciding to create a LoCo team for your area, you should first decide which particular region you want to create a team for. " A region normally isn't considered the entire planet. Nor is a region considered a language. It also states: "See the full list of LoCo teams and look to see if there is one in your area." Then there is the entire paragraph of: "Generally LoCo teams have a fairly large catchment area. So, as an example the UK LoCo Team have a single group for the entire country. This is because the UK is a fairly small country. However, as part of the UK Team, smaller meetings around the country happen, but they all fall under the remit of the UK LoCo team. For larger countries such as the USA, it is more common to have LoCo teams at a state level - the country is too big to have one single LoCo team." Now lets take a look at the LoCoTeamRegions page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamRegions) which gives even further information about regions. I don't really see how it could be much clearer? That very well explains and defines LoCo Teams and regions. > When I read some posts, it's like LoCo teams only have to care of events. > Why not. But I think the first thing users want in a country is support, not > events. If this support in their language exists somewhere online, provided > by someone, it's fine. But in the reality, these support resources don't > exists or are under one LoCo care. Then expand it. > LoCos starts what they think is the best for the users in their country. If > it's localized support, fine. If it's events, better. Adding more teams to > separate each activities only make it more complex to start. With time, > teams can evolve and perhaps one day, a natural "language support team" will > appear for their language if needed. You are even saying right here, a country. That doesn't encompass an entire language covering the whole planet. > To talk about my LoCo Team, the French Team, like Huats said we provide > online resource for every French people, and we organize events in France > with success (it's easy with people in France, they love free software). We > have erased lot of the France aspect in our websites to let other French > LoCo Teams point to us for their support needs. In fact members all around > the world help us on the sites. And people from other countries also come to > help us on the Ubuntu Party in Paris sometimes. We are both a Local > Community and a Locale team because we evolved that way (don't ask witch > part started first nobody knows). So, the parts that are done by the entire French community, ie ubuntu-fr.org would be handled by ubuntu-language-fr and the part that has to do with events, ie. the LoCo Directory part would be done by ubuntu-france (the loco team). Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#2, Local Community Teams vs. Locale Teams
2011/7/19 Leandro Gómez : > Re Spanish speaking LoCos: > We already have a similar setup on Launchpad (since 2007) with the Ubuntu > Spanish LoCo Team & Ubuntu-es Team. And... it hasn't really worked. If > someone wants support in Spanish, they will turn to their local team and I > must say that the local teams are doing a great job here. > I don't know why you want to fix something that's not broken? The part that is broken is when a Local Community Team is trying to encompass the entire world.. I.e. language teams.. If language teams don't work, thats fine. But the LoCo Directory is not setup to support a language team. It does nothing for a language team. As I put in my last email, LoCo Teams are designed to be by region, and not by language. The suggestion made initially was purely a suggestion on a way to collaborate resources between LoCo Teams that speak the same language. As good as #ubuntu-es is, and then having the Spanish Classroom, doing events like User Days, (trust me when I say I know that it is good, having helped them out and seen them in action) I can't see why that isn't utilized by the entire Spanish community across the planet. Maybe whoever runs the Spanish resources should reach out to the other Spanish speaking teams and offer to collaborate, I don't know. Chris -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Missing data in LoCo-Directory
Greetings, This is due to the fact that we were able to recover some of the data that was lost. Some teams may have issues with duplicates. Chris On Aug 31, 2011 11:14 AM, "Ahmed Toulan" wrote: > Hi, > > I just noticed that some of our events are duplicated on the LoCo directory. > I will fix it manually, just wanted to notify you about the problem > > Regards, > Ahmed Toulan. -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
LoCo Team Portal Translation Updates
Greetings; I have finalized the updates to the LoCo Team Portal [0] to push out a new release today. There have been huge changes to the translation strings for the LoCo Team Portal. I would like to push out a translations update within the next week, so if you could please visit the translations pages [1] and update any translation strings that need to be updated prior to then. I am also sending this email out to the LoCo Contacts in hopes that they will forward the translation requests on to their team members, hoping that we could get some new translators involved in this great project. I would also ask that translators file bugs [2] on any strings that could be worded differently to make translations easier. Also, if you have any ideas or suggestions that may not quite fit a bug report, feel free to contact us on the Community Web Projects mailing list [3]. [0] http://loco.ubuntu.com [1] https://translations.launchpad.net/loco-directory [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+filebug [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/community-web-projects Thanks in advance! Chris Johnston on behalf of the LoCo Team Directory Developers -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: update to approvals/reapproval wiki pages
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 13:51, Martin Owens wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 17:20 +, Laura Czajkowski wrote: >> The LoCo Council, in collaboration with the Community Council, >> recently updated our approval guidelines to answer more questions in a >> (hopefully) clearer way. You can review the Approval Guidelines[1] and >> the Re-Approval Guidelines[2] and tell us if we got it right! >> >> Hopefully, with these changes more LoCo teams will be able to set out >> a plan to be great resources for Ubuntu and GNU/Linux enthusiasts in >> their area. > > I wonder if we can automatically import the content from the wiki page > into the loco portal. Some nice static pages to show users in context. > > I fear that now we have such a good team portal website, users will not > be looking at the wiki page much at all. Automatically, not really.. But it'd be really easy for someone to bzr branch, add the page, just like the other help type pages have been added, and propose a merge. cJ -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Better LoCo Engagement of Web Visitors to Ubuntu.com, Wiki, etc
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Dmitry Agafonov wrote: > Hi! > > There is a bug or blueprint for exactly the same exist, I believe. > I cannot find the link right now, but that was proposed (and accepted > for future realization) for ubuntu.com about 2 yeas ago or so. > > 2012/7/22 Benjamin Kerensa : > > Hello Fellow LoCo Leaders, > > > > I have an idea which I am proposing in the Mozilla Community which could > > easily be reproduced for Ubuntu LoCo's > > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.reps.general/5diiks-SJwc > > > https://launchpad.net/website-localization It never gained momentum due to a lack of interest. I was never able to get any help to get it started. I don't know if it would still be within the ideas of what Canonical wants to do or not. cJ -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Better LoCo Engagement of Web Visitors to Ubuntu.com, Wiki, etc
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > > I'm trying to locate the assets needed to get this off the ground in the > Mozilla Community once we have a working product we could fork the code > over? > > Possibly. cJ -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 282
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/2012 03:31 PM, Marcus Moeller wrote: > Hi all. > >>>>>> I think it's a great form of news for locoteams, many >>>>>> members pass this news onto their members, others get >>>>>> ideas from the postings and even better still, some get >>>>>> involved and help out with UWN which benefits everyone. >>>>>> So I am glad Lyz posts here with the UWN updates and hope >>>>>> she continues! >>>>> There is a separate list available for that: >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/ >>>>> >>>>> I would like to suggest to everyone who is interested in >>>>> UWN to subscribe to that list. Please don't post the >>>>> announcements here. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Marcus >>>>> >>>> Marcus, >>>> >>>> This is the locoteams mailing list, we ask loocteams to >>>> subscribe here to get news to share with their teams, it's >>>> what this list is for, so if Lyz or anyone from UWN is kind >>>> enough to post here so we have the information to hand it >>>> should be welcomed. As I said earlier, it's also a good way >>>> to get volunteers to help out with UWN. It's also never >>>> been an issue before. >>> I know what the list is for, and I personally don't want to get >>> 'spammed' by the UWN announces. As mentioned, everyone is free >>> to subscribe to the -news list to receive this kind of updates >>> (and maybe hand them out to the LoCo members). >>> >>> Greets Marcus >>> >> Marcus, >> >> Let me be clear, it is not spam, UWN is a recognised newsletter >> in the Ubuntu community and many people refer to it for stats and >> the news items. It is one mail a week. Might I suggest as it's >> a very low traffic list you delete the mail if it comes as I >> strongly am encouraging Lyz and the other UWN editors to continue >> to post here. > > At least it is not necessary to post it on this list, as there is a > separate one for that. > > Greets Marcus > Greetings, Considering that so far only one person has voiced an opinion against the email being sent, it may be better to create a filter and move it to where you never see it than to stop sending it to a list that clearly has multiple people who support and would like to keep getting it via this mailing list. cJ - -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston - cjohnston Ubuntu Member chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com www.chrisjohnston.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBQ5EQACgkQyDxSNf9BQVwEYgCcDMJ3WpybKi5Pp7kzu9RQxN/X tvkAnRGsxSLX/BrAJSSufrAuYhXxk9/s =RO2P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Automating Team Reports (was Re: Coming up with another term for Approved LoCo Teams - Discussion)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2013 02:25 PM, Craig Maloney wrote: > * Martin Owens (docto...@gmail.com) wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 18:49 +, Laura Czajkowski wrote: >>> some teams prefer to use their own tools. >> >> A fair point. But I'm thinking more about automation and instant >> feedback. Not council meditation. I'm sure the council would make >> a lot more detailed and accurate reporting, but that's not to say >> there couldn't be some automation too. > > Please pardon the thread hijack, but this touches on a desire I've > had to allow teams to use the LTP in place of team reports during > their approval (or whatever it will be called) process. I'd love to > have one place where our team information (events, meetings, > photos, etc) get reported to the council and any other interested > parties. > > I'm already entering these into the system once, but as it stands I > have to re-enter them again into a team report via a wiki. > > Hoping the LTP can take a more center stage in our community, and > the duplication of effort can go by the wayside. > > Thank you. :) > > > > Craig Maloney (cr...@decafbad.net)http://decafbad.net > "Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big, wear glasses > if you need 'em." -- The Webb Wilder Credo > Craig, At one point there was work being done on a team reporting system [1]. Please feel free to pick it up and start developing on it. I suspect though that you may not want it completely integrated in LTP as I think other groups/teams may be interested in using it. [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-teamreports cJ - -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston chrisjohns...@ubuntu.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlEVZgEACgkQyDxSNf9BQVw7dQCfSR/NHw1fTX+elUvfzKxwV0I2 KJkAoJsv4qDs5L+WGB74zAaqAtv072Qc =BFoD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Re-Energizing LoCo Teams
On 09/03/2013 04:20 PM, Jan Friberg wrote: > > I'd love to see some discussion around this. The Ubuntu community has > always worked hard to be inclusive of all kinds of contributions, > Ubuntu Membership is open to everyone: artists, translators, folks > running Ubuntu events, everyone contributing anything to Ubuntu and > the community! In fact, developers have their own track to go through > to get developer access to the project and that's separate from > regular membership and only really adds on developer-specific > privileges. Is there something about the process for Ubuntu Membership > that translators find unfair, or do they feel like they don't qualify? > > Beyond membership, do you have ideas on how to specifically gratify > translators? > > Thanks for the feedback! :) > > > I think it's an attitude in the community, not only in Ubuntu but in the > Linux community in general. Developers and graphic artist has always > created cool stuff while translators just write what some one else > already written in another language. > So how do we make the translator to be a cool guy? I have no good ideas > yet, but we are thinking about it in my team. > > About membership in general. I asked in our forum about how many was > applying for membership or thinking of starting to apply. So far 1 > person has shown any interest. > I hate to say this. But the interest for Ubuntu and/or Linux is > declining fast in Sweden. And I see this even in my team. > > > > > > Do you have any specific ideas for tools? Between the Ubuntu wiki, > mailing lists and loco.ubuntu.com <http://loco.ubuntu.com> the > California team hasn't felt a > huge need for our own website - all our website does is provide a > convenient URL for people to start off with, from there they are > linked off to the other pages, we don't actually host any content on > it. Makes it much easier to maintain and we don't have a major problem > if folks leave :) We also use social media a fair amount to get > announcements out beyond just our mailing list, the access to these > accounts is shared between a few trusted community members so no one > person has control of everything. > > I do acknowledge that as an English-speaking team we have an advantage > here, our team doesn't need to host local support forums and similar > but I thought there were localized spaces for many of the LoCo tools > being provided already. If not, perhaps that's a good discussion to > have - what tools do non-English teams need in the community that are > currently not being internationalized? What steps need to be taken to > do a better job of providing these things? I've found Canonical to be > much easier to work with when you approach them with specific plans > that include needs and goals. > > Ok, my team might be special and I don't know all the history behind it. > But we have our domain on a members private server. It host 1 drupal > portal, 1 forum, 2 wikis. Most informations in the wikis are outdated > about the year 2010, except comment fields that are daily filled with spam. > > So what you describe with the California team is what I like us to be. > But the lack of guidance and rules made the team do some bad mistakes in > the start up. > > A new team should get a rulebook that say; Use this tools first like > mailing lists, loco.ubuntu.com <http://loco.ubuntu.com>, wiki.ubuntu.com > <http://wiki.ubuntu.com> and if that is not enough to cover your need > you use this forum software with this style sheet, this portal software > with this style sheet and so on. > DO NOT INVENT YOUR OWN STUFF! > > Then I can turn to another team and ask them question how to set up and > run things because they use the same tools as me. > > People are eager to start up things in the beginning, but when the work > get overwhelming we end up with outdated information ans systems. > > > All of that information already exists. http://loco.ubuntu.com/about-loco/setup/ cJ -- Respectfully, Chris Johnston QA Engineer - Canonical Ltd. www.ubuntu.com -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
