Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
I searched the English Wikipedia and found in its articles no mention of the Israel-Palestine controversy as it pertains to Linux Mint. There is neither mention of it in the Linux Mint article nor as a separate article. According to my findings: People, who would like to read about the controversy, would not find information about it in the English Wikipedia. Form your opinions about the above fact. --- Omer On Mon, 2017-11-20 at 07:27 +0200, Yehuda Deutsch wrote: > I don't see an issue in clem's views, as long that it stays off the > community's ground. > His apology for mixing open source with politics is here: > https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=775 > > > I have no idea if this will fuel or calm things, but there is an > archived talk sub-page on wikipedia on the subject: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Linux_Mint/Archive_Israel-Palestine_Controversy > > > > I find mint to be very useful, both for "professional" and "home" > users. I tried ubuntu for a while, it left a bitterer taste than any > other distro i tried before. -- 42 is the answer to everything. Food is the answer to everything except obesity. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
On 11/20/2017 10:08 AM, Omer Zak wrote: I searched the English Wikipedia and found in its articles no mention of the Israel-Palestine controversy as it pertains to Linux Mint. There is neither mention of it in the Linux Mint article nor as a separate article. According to my findings: People, who would like to read about the controversy, would not find information about it in the English Wikipedia. Form your opinions about the above fact. The English Wikipedia does not mention the Israel-Palestine controversy as it applies to Open Office either. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
Can you provide more information on Israel-Palestine controversy as it applies to Open Office? Couldn't find anything on google either. Thanks. On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Geoffrey Mendelson < geoffreymendel...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/20/2017 10:08 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > >> I searched the English Wikipedia and found in its articles no mention of >> the Israel-Palestine controversy as it pertains to Linux Mint. >> >> There is neither mention of it in the Linux Mint article nor as a >> separate article. >> >> According to my findings: >> >> People, who would like to read about the controversy, >> would not find information about it in the English >> Wikipedia. >> >> Form your opinions about the above fact. >> > The English Wikipedia does not mention the Israel-Palestine controversy as > it applies to Open Office either. > > Geoff. > -- > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- If you can't explain it *simply*, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
On 11/20/2017 11:20 AM, Vladimir Vainer wrote: Can you provide more information on Israel-Palestine controversy as it applies to Open Office? Time Line: Arab League passes a boycott of Israel. (this will become important later) Oslo accords create Palestinian Authority. The PA sends workers and medical patients to Israel, gets most of its water, electricity, food, cooking gas, building supplies, etc from Israel (no boycott). Palestinians bombard Sderot with rockets and mortars. Sderot builds underground kindergarden (gan) Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle) donates money to extend kindergarden with underground playground, one of many things in Israel he funded. Palestinain businessman invites (and I assume pays) RMS to speak on FOSS. He requires that RMS does not speak in Israel or meet with israelis on that trip. Note that RMS could have flown to Aman, taken a taxi to the Alenby Bridge and a Palestinian taxi to where he wanted to in the P.A. without ever entering Israel. RMS chooses to fly to Ben Gurion and enter the PA via Israel. RMS announces, using his email account as President of the FSF that he will honor the (nonexistent (see above)) boycott of Israel. Oracle was going to divest its interest in Open Office. The original plan was to donate it to the FSF. Ellison (obviously upset by RMS's boycott) donates Open Office to the Apache Foundation. almost irrelevant notes, but provide context: There is no PA boycott of Israel. The Palestinian BDS movement was created and is run by a graduate student at Tel Aviv University. RMS did in fact meet with Israelis (and I don't remember if there were formal speeches) on that trip. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Jerusalem, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
Complementing the time line: On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:56:13AM +0200, Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > On 11/20/2017 11:20 AM, Vladimir Vainer wrote: > > Can you provide more information on Israel-Palestine controversy as it > > applies to Open Office? > > Time Line: > > Arab League passes a boycott of Israel. (this will become important later) > > Oslo accords create Palestinian Authority. The PA sends workers and medical > patients to Israel, gets most of its water, electricity, food, cooking gas, > building supplies, etc from Israel (no boycott). > > Palestinians bombard Sderot with rockets and mortars. > > Sderot builds underground kindergarden (gan) > > Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle) donates money to extend kindergarden with > underground playground, one of many things in Israel he funded. > 2010: Jan: Oracle buys Sun (owner of OpenOffice.org). Renames it OracleOpenOffice. Sep: The majority of the developers community forks. LibreOffice is born. They form The Document Foundation. 2011: Apr: Oracle annonces it will abandon development of OpenOffice. At the time LibreOffice has already turned out to be a more vibrant alternative. But there was still something of a development community behind the Oracle project (and a third, competing, one, led by former OO.o developers). Jun: Oracle announces it will move OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. > Palestinain businessman invites (and I assume pays) RMS to speak on FOSS. He > requires that RMS does not speak in Israel or meet with israelis on that > trip. Note that RMS could have flown to Aman, taken a taxi to the Alenby > Bridge and a Palestinian taxi to where he wanted to in the P.A. without ever > entering Israel. > > RMS chooses to fly to Ben Gurion and enter the PA via Israel. > > RMS announces, using his email account as President of the FSF that he will > honor the (nonexistent (see above)) boycott of Israel. RMS visited Israel in Jul-2011. He also gave two talks in Israel proper, though not one of them was in a university. > > Oracle was going to divest its interest in Open Office. The original plan > was to donate it to the FSF. Huh? Have you any evidence of that? Any mails exchanged from people at Oracle with the FSF or whoever? At the time IBM put pressure on Oracle to donate the code to Apache instead of following the developers community (who eventually formed The Document Foundation). The FSF had no real affiliation with the practical fork of OO.o (ooo-build / go-oo), that has already established TDF as a legal entity. See e.g. http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-the-heck-is-happening-with-openoffice-update/ > > Ellison (obviously upset by RMS's boycott) donates Open Office to the Apache > Foundation. This is not so clear to me. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "antisemitic" Linux Mint [was: Re: Distro recommendation]
RMS was bullied into canceling his Israeli University talks by his (paying) Palestinian hosts. He explains here: http://stallman.org/articles/palestine-trip.html Can we PLEASE stop playing politics now? This is NOT the right forum, and we're none of us any good at it. RMS himself is a great example. J. [full disclosure; I use and enjoy Linux Mint, just as I enjoy the music of Richard Wagner. Bad people can create good things] On 20 November 2017 at 12:45, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Complementing the time line: > > On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:56:13AM +0200, Geoffrey Mendelson wrote: > > On 11/20/2017 11:20 AM, Vladimir Vainer wrote: > > > Can you provide more information on Israel-Palestine controversy as it > > > applies to Open Office? > > > > Time Line: > > > > Arab League passes a boycott of Israel. (this will become important > later) > > > > Oslo accords create Palestinian Authority. The PA sends workers and > medical > > patients to Israel, gets most of its water, electricity, food, cooking > gas, > > building supplies, etc from Israel (no boycott). > > > > Palestinians bombard Sderot with rockets and mortars. > > > > Sderot builds underground kindergarden (gan) > > > > Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle) donates money to extend kindergarden with > > underground playground, one of many things in Israel he funded. > > > > 2010: > > Jan: Oracle buys Sun (owner of OpenOffice.org). Renames it > OracleOpenOffice. > > Sep: The majority of the developers community forks. LibreOffice is > born. They form The Document Foundation. > > 2011: > > Apr: Oracle annonces it will abandon development of OpenOffice. At the > time LibreOffice has already turned out to be a more vibrant > alternative. But there was still something of a development community > behind the Oracle project (and a third, competing, one, led by former > OO.o developers). > > Jun: Oracle announces it will move OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. > > > Palestinain businessman invites (and I assume pays) RMS to speak on > FOSS. He > > requires that RMS does not speak in Israel or meet with israelis on that > > trip. Note that RMS could have flown to Aman, taken a taxi to the Alenby > > Bridge and a Palestinian taxi to where he wanted to in the P.A. without > ever > > entering Israel. > > > > RMS chooses to fly to Ben Gurion and enter the PA via Israel. > > > > RMS announces, using his email account as President of the FSF that he > will > > honor the (nonexistent (see above)) boycott of Israel. > > RMS visited Israel in Jul-2011. He also gave two talks in Israel proper, > though not one of them was in a university. > > > > > Oracle was going to divest its interest in Open Office. The original plan > > was to donate it to the FSF. > > Huh? Have you any evidence of that? Any mails exchanged from people at > Oracle with the FSF or whoever? > > At the time IBM put pressure on Oracle to donate the code to Apache > instead of following the developers community (who eventually formed The > Document Foundation). The FSF had no real affiliation with the practical > fork of OO.o (ooo-build / go-oo), that has already established TDF as a > legal entity. > > See e.g. > http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-the-heck-is-happening- > with-openoffice-update/ > > > > > Ellison (obviously upset by RMS's boycott) donates Open Office to the > Apache > > Foundation. > > This is not so clear to me. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is > http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's > tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best > tzaf...@debian.org|| friend > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- -- Jeremy Hoyland jhoyl...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
