RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
I would have been happy to say this thread had run it's course, but this response from RMS and (his apparent "associate" / "organizer") Kobi Snitz is too much. Mr. Snitz advises both myself and RMS that in order to make sure the talk in Israel meets the standards of the BDS-supporting organization which is "hosting" RMS then the talks in Israel must be both sponsored by a BDS supporting organization and held in a hall "owned/run" by a BDS supporting organization. Snitz's words were, "in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions". It seems that Mr. Snitz is a mathematician, anarchist, and leader in the BDS (boycotts, divestment and sanctions) against Israel movement. If you'd like to read more about Mr. Snitz you can use the links below. (Responses from Kobi Snitz and from RMS are also below.) http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/shin-bet-puts-israeli-anarchists-in-crosshairs-1.333140 - "He was not the only anarchist the Jewish department dealt with that week. Five days earlier, Kobi Snitz was attending a conference when he received a call from an unidentified number. The caller told him, 'Shalom, this is Rona from the Shin Bet. I'm sure you've heard about me.'" - "She said she wanted to invite me for a friendly conversation and for us to exchange thoughts," said Snitz, 39, an anarchist activist and a mathematician. He asked whether he was being called in for an interrogation and when she said no, he said, no thanks. In 2009, Snitz served a 20-day sentence over an attempt a few years earlier to prevent the demolition of a house in Kharbatha, a village west of Ramallah. Two months ago, he was given another five-day sentence over a protest against the Second Lebanon War in 2006." http://www-users.math.umd.edu/~snitz/ http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=7985&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en http://www.radicalendar.org/calendar/all/all/display/85445/index.php?view=event&fulldate=2009-07-04 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38551113/In-support-of-the-Palestinian-human-rights-community-call http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=4993 http://pipl.com/directory/name/Snitz/Kobi http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6410&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en&the_session_id=0e356a3b68ae0e5dd29aefaf7ef56e77&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=21f827e2775005995748ebab68617a46 http://www.israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6189&page_data[id]=162&cookie_lang=he&the_session_id=cfbd3321f483be8d97e01a3d1db248bf&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=049669b2ba65f1c3fedf5a76c53d45aa --- fromKobi Snitz ksn...@gmail.com tor...@gnu.org dateMon, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:30 subjectRe: Finding a hall in Haifa mailed-bygmail.com signed-bygmail.com hide details 09:30 (1 hour ago) I am missing the earlier part of this correspondence but I can say that in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions. In tel aviv my first thought was the women's coalition for peace. I talked to their head last night and she said that they've never done anything about free software and she feels it is strange for them to do it. The upcoming boycott law scares off many other potential sponsors but I am looking. kobi. -- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Stallman Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 01:37 Subject: Finding a hall in Haifa To: Tom Balazs Cc: Kobi Snitz It seems they want the event to be sponsored by an organization that supports the boycott, but they don't mind if that organization rents a hall. I am not sure if they have requirements about what sort of organization it can be rented from. Kobi could tell you. 2. The dates: Are the correct dates the evening of Thursday 21-Jul-2011, and the afternoon of Friday 22-Jul-2011? Yes. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
I have been reading quite a lot of messages about this topic. I feel (and this is my feeling only) that it has been talked enough. Mr. Stallman doesn't want to be here. He doesn't care about the other side of the story, and he is so much about his own religion, that he forgets that each coin has two sides. I say - Halas (it was in Arabic, too!). Let him be. A boycott is as effective as the boycottee cares. I don't care anymore. I won't go there, because, to my eyes, such a strong opinionism without even an attempt to see the other side, as Mr. Stallman shows both in his recent dealings with the local politics and local conflict between two nations who have nothing to do with him, and showed in the past regarding various concepts of how and what to code (some of them were enough to make a movement, to start something, but they are not necessarily the thing which is required to keep it going), and how things "should" be, shows me how irrelevant he is. Blocking your ears to alternate views is a bad thing. We should not encourage such actions, neither of strangers, nor of ourselves. We have the option to show our point of view, and that means, that if it were to me, the lecture, if at all, would have taken place somewhere near Gaza, so he experiences the rockets flying over our heads. Because there is no contravention about these locations. But this is nothing more than an imagination. Wasted time, just like this e-mail message. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care, he doesn't want to look at the other side of the coin, and by boycotting us, he exposes his own stubbornness. Halas. Don't waste your time with him. Etzion 2011/6/13 Tom Balazs I would have been happy to say this thread had run it's course, but this response from RMS and (his apparent "associate" / "organizer") Kobi Snitz is too much. Mr. Snitz advises both myself and RMS that in order to make sure the talk in Israel meets the standards of the BDS-supporting organization which is "hosting" RMS then the talks in Israel must be both sponsored by a BDS supporting organization and held in a hall "owned/run" by a BDS supporting organization. Snitz's words were, "in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions". It seems that Mr. Snitz is a mathematician, anarchist, and leader in the BDS (boycotts, divestment and sanctions) against Israel movement. If you'd like to read more about Mr. Snitz you can use the links below. (Responses from Kobi Snitz and from RMS are also below.) http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/shin-bet-puts-israeli-anarchists-in-crosshairs-1.333140 - "He was not the only anarchist the Jewish department dealt with that week. Five days earlier, Kobi Snitz was attending a conference when he received a call from an unidentified number. The caller told him, 'Shalom, this is Rona from the Shin Bet. I'm sure you've heard about me.'" - "She said she wanted to invite me for a friendly conversation and for us to exchange thoughts," said Snitz, 39, an anarchist activist and a mathematician. He asked whether he was being called in for an interrogation and when she said no, he said, no thanks. In 2009, Snitz served a 20-day sentence over an attempt a few years earlier to prevent the demolition of a house in Kharbatha, a village west of Ramallah. Two months ago, he was given another five-day sentence over a protest against the Second Lebanon War in 2006." http://www-users.math.umd.edu/~snitz/ http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=7985&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en http://www.radicalendar.org/calendar/all/all/display/85445/index.php?view=event&fulldate=2009-07-04 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/38551113/In-support-of-the-Palestinian-human-rights-community-call http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=4993 http://pipl.com/directory/name/Snitz/Kobi http://israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6410&page_data[id]=175&cookie_lang=en&the_session_id=0e356a3b68ae0e5dd29aefaf7ef56e77&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=21f827e2775005995748ebab68617a46 http://www.israel-academia-monitor.com/index.php?type=large_advic&advice_id=6189&page_data[id]=162&cookie_lang=he&the_session_id=cfbd3321f483be8d97e01a3d1db248bf&BLUEWEBSESSIONSID=049669b2ba65f1c3fedf5a76c53d45aa --- fromKobi Snitz ksn...@gmail.com tor...@gnu.org dateMon, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:30 subjectRe: Finding a hall in Haifa mailed-bygmail.com signed-bygmail.com hide details 09:30 (1 hour ago) I am missing the earlier part of this correspondence but I can say that in order to not violate the boycott the sponsors and the place should be dissenting israeli groups and institutions. In tel aviv my first thought was the women's coalition for peace. I talked to their head last night and she said that they've never done anything about free software and she feels it is strange for them to do it. The upcoming boyc
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote "Linux related *questions* and *discussions*" (emphasis mine). ML owner: Time to intervene? - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RMS discussion aftermath (hint, hint)
Reading the recent drama regarding RMS' will lecture or won't lecture or may lecture or must lecture or must not lecture in Israel, I'll try to do some aftermath (I truly hope we're getting close to the "after". Maybe not. I still have some popcorn). 1. Whoever reads the thread might reach the conclusion that RMS is a very important person. Today, that is. While the thought about e.g. Linus quitting his role may be a bit disturbing, I can't see what real influence RMS has today. 2. The point of a boycott is to draw attention. Without this discussion, one would hardly know that "il" in "linux-il" stands for Israel, and there's someone we call RMS. And that Israel has issues with public performances. 3. Given that RMS is such an important person, I'm sure everyone will accept him warmly three years from now, when some other state will be subject to media attention and boycotting (Syria? Lybia? Egypt? Maybe even the Palestinian Authority themselves. Who knows). So the bottom line is that this discussion leveraged RMS from someone most of us forgot all about, to the level of a key figure, whose recognition of Israel is important. Maybe he knows his work after all. Some people say there is no such thing as bad publicity. And this is a good time to remind you, that in a previous thread, I found myself with a simple method to circumvent GPL (by linking GPL code with proprietary code on the target computer, hence no copying done after license void). The idea that GPL is not worth the place it occupies on the disk was naturally rejected, but nobody came up with a cutting explanation of why. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Monday 13 June 2011 at 15:53:39 (GMT+2) Gilboa Davara wrote: > Enough already. > The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines > of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and > I quote "Linux related *questions* and *discussions*" (emphasis > mine). It does seem that the discussion has come to a well-deserved end. But I do not think it was off topic. What to do about the conditions that a proposed speaker places on his agreement to speak can't possibly be irrelevant to the rules of the principal communication tool of the organization. The mere fact that the topic has exercised people means it was important and relevant. It lasted so long only because the smug arrogance of the speaker and his spokesman were not fully revealed until very recently. > ML owner: Time to intervene? > > - Gilboa > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
running script after sftp upload
Hi, I'm trying to find a solution to this issue: I'm running an sftp-server in ubuntu. Users can login and upload files. What I want to do is to run a script (on the server side) that after user logged in and uploaded a file. sftp-server man pages don't give any help about this issue. Any suggestions? Thanks, Hetz ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: running script after sftp upload
set up inotifier on the upload library. 2011/6/13 Hetz Ben Hamo > Hi, > > I'm trying to find a solution to this issue: > > I'm running an sftp-server in ubuntu. Users can login and upload files. > What I want to do is to run a script (on the server side) that after user > logged in and uploaded a file. > > sftp-server man pages don't give any help about this issue. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Hetz > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: running script after sftp upload
2011/6/13 Raz : > set up inotifier on the upload library. How would you know who copied the file to this library? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[job] C++ development in a Linux environment
We're looking for an excellent[1] C++ developer, and an excellent JavaScript front end developer. Requirements: Language agnostic, know-how, self-managed. Located near the Bursa, smart folks, competitive salary, modern hardware and a cake every afternoon. For additional details feel free to email me. [1] I wonder if there's a company who's advertising jobs "mediocre developers needed." ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [job] C++ development in a Linux environment
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: > We're looking for an excellent[1] C++ developer, and an excellent > JavaScript front end developer. > > Requirements: Language agnostic, know-how, self-managed. > > Located near the Bursa, smart folks, competitive salary, modern > hardware and a cake every afternoon. > > For additional details feel free to email me. > > [1] I wonder if there's a company who's advertising jobs "mediocre > developers needed." I'm on a lookout for "beginner developers/QA wanted" - wife is finishing her studies very soon > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [job] C++ development in a Linux environment
On Jun 13, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: [1] I wonder if there's a company who's advertising jobs "mediocre developers needed." 1. When you get to 1,000 programmers, you need to have "average" ones, "stars" just get resented and cause trouble by their presence. 2. Companies with legacy code need them to maintain it. This is often a dull, boring job. 3. Many startups reach a point where they find they are "barking up the wrong tree" as it were, and they hire mediocre programmers to keep busy, but never quite produce anything, so that the investors don't realize what is happening and pull out. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [job] C++ development in a Linux environment
On 13/06/11 19:09, Elazar Leibovich wrote: [1] I wonder if there's a company who's advertising jobs "mediocre developers needed." Yes, but you usually just omit the adjective. You say "developers", you set the salary accordingly, and you set the expectations to match. The rest just lines up on its own. Regarding the job - you did not say whether free lancers are okay. Lingnu might have the talents to fill both positions. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd. http://www.lingnu.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
