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Re: OT: Where does it count?
That's a bit off topic cause indeed you refer to greatness in one's
profession/occupation/hobby but in any case, i remember the article you
mentioned and the whole thesis it talks about. There was at least one
Israeli weekend newspapers article, probably about the relevant
translated book that talked about this.
The name is Malcolm Gladwell and the following link is about the book
that talks about that idea:
(hebrew) http://simania.co.il/bookdetails.php?item_id=688839
his web site:
http://www.gladwell.com/index.html
Boaz.
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
My question is simple: When does the "developer" experience starts
ticking? (I'm not talking about any specific language here). Do the
years of writing those small programs/scripts count as a "developer
years"? or does the clock starts ticking when I'm a full time programmer?
Partiality of occupation is hardly a factor, but experience is. I
don't have the link, (I think it was on slashdot a while back), but
someone once claimed that the difference between a programmer with
greatness potential and actual great programmers is X hours of
experience (I don't remember what X was, but it translated to about 3
or 5 years of full time job experience). The article claimed that the
same X applies to other areas too (the article used the Beatles as a
primary example).
My point is that in order to realize your potential in any field, you
need to invest a huge amount of time practicing it. This is almost
impossible to do unless you make it your full time occupation. From
personal experience, I think the article's quoted X may even be a
little on the low side.
So, if you did mostly system tasks, but did about 10% development, you
will see how, for practical reasons, that leaves very little of your
actual development experience.
I should point out that the article talks about greatness. Assuming
you have the potential to become a great programmer, this is a
requirement for becoming great actually happening. Personally, I pride
myself on seeing programmers, in certain cases total novices, and
saying to myself "he has the potential". They are not great
programmers, but you can see that with enough experience, they will
be. That said, even those that do not possess the potential for
"greatness" advance significantly with experience. At a guesstimate,
about 60% of the population can become acceptable quality programmers
given enough experience (of course, initially they will suck) and a
supporting environment ("supporting" includes not accepting mediocre).
Of course, most of those will quit, because programming is a horrid
job to do if you don't like it, but this is just to point you as to why
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Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Hi all,
$ref is a reference to a hash. Hash contains a component called "a"
which is an array. I would like to iterate all elements of said array.
I would like to do something along the lines of:
foreach my $elem @%$ref{a}
{
print "$elem\n";
}
Which, I think it clear, does not work. I also tried:
foreach my $elem @(%$ref){a}
{
print "$elem\n";
}
which complains about:
Bareword "a" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
and:
foreach my $elem @(%$ref){'a'}
{
print "$elem\n";
}
which complains about:
Global symbol "$elem" requires explicit package name at line 3 (i.e. -
inside the for).
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Shachar
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Hi Shachar,
First you can always use Data::Dumper:
use Data::Dumper;
print Dumper($ref);
To make sure that the data is stored correctly.
In regard to your question:
my $ref;
my %hash = %{$ref};
foreach my $ptrelem (keys %hash) {
my @array = @{$ptrelem};
foreach my $item (@array) {
print $item;
}
}
From my experience with perl, doing shortcuts don't work too well, and
doing it the long way, helps with debugging and finding out what the
problem is.
2009/10/24 Shachar Shemesh :
> Hi all,
>
> $ref is a reference to a hash. Hash contains a component called "a" which is
> an array. I would like to iterate all elements of said array.
>
> I would like to do something along the lines of:
> foreach my $elem @%$ref{a}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> Which, I think it clear, does not work. I also tried:
> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){a}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> which complains about:
> Bareword "a" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
>
> and:
> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){'a'}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> which complains about:
> Global symbol "$elem" requires explicit package name at line 3 (i.e. -
> inside the for).
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Shachar
>
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> Shachar Shemesh
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Sorry a mistake...
foreach my $ptrelem (keys %hash) {
Should be
foreach my $key (keys %hash) {
my $ptritem = %hash->{$key};
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Noam Rathaus wrote:
> Hi Shachar,
>
> First you can always use Data::Dumper:
> use Data::Dumper;
> print Dumper($ref);
>
> To make sure that the data is stored correctly.
>
> In regard to your question:
>
> my $ref;
> my %hash = %{$ref};
> foreach my $ptrelem (keys %hash) {
> my @array = @{$ptrelem};
> foreach my $item (@array) {
> print $item;
> }
> }
>
> From my experience with perl, doing shortcuts don't work too well, and
> doing it the long way, helps with debugging and finding out what the
> problem is.
>
> 2009/10/24 Shachar Shemesh :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> $ref is a reference to a hash. Hash contains a component called "a" which is
>> an array. I would like to iterate all elements of said array.
>>
>> I would like to do something along the lines of:
>> foreach my $elem @%$ref{a}
>> {
>> print "$elem\n";
>> }
>>
>> Which, I think it clear, does not work. I also tried:
>> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){a}
>> {
>> print "$elem\n";
>> }
>>
>> which complains about:
>> Bareword "a" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
>>
>> and:
>> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){'a'}
>> {
>> print "$elem\n";
>> }
>>
>> which complains about:
>> Global symbol "$elem" requires explicit package name at line 3 (i.e. -
>> inside the for).
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shachar
>>
>> --
>> Shachar Shemesh
>> Lingnu Open Source Consulting Ltd.
>> http://www.lingnu.com
>>
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Noam beat me to it, but here's perl solution without additional variables:
#!/usr/bin/perl
%hash = (a=>['moo','goo','woo'],
foo=>3,
baz=>5);
$ref = \%hash;
foreach my $elem (@{$ref->{a}})
{
print "$elem\n";
}
Regards,
Dov
2009/10/24 Shachar Shemesh
> Hi all,
>
> $ref is a reference to a hash. Hash contains a component called "a" which
> is an array. I would like to iterate all elements of said array.
>
> I would like to do something along the lines of:
> foreach my $elem @%$ref{a}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> Which, I think it clear, does not work. I also tried:
> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){a}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> which complains about:
> Bareword "a" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
>
> and:
> foreach my $elem @(%$ref){'a'}
> {
> print "$elem\n";
> }
>
> which complains about:
> Global symbol "$elem" requires explicit package name at line 3 (i.e. -
> inside the for).
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Shachar
>
> --
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>
>
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Dov Grobgeld wrote:
Noam beat me to it, but here's perl solution without additional variables:
#!/usr/bin/perl
%hash = (a=>['moo','goo','woo'],
foo=>3,
baz=>5);
$ref = \%hash;
foreach my $elem (@{$ref->{a}})
Hi Dov,
Yes, it works. Now can you, please, explain to me why? What is the role
of each bracket you used (and its location)?
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Shachar,
{ } in Perl are casting when they surround a value
And the second set of { } around the 'a' mean variable of Hash
2009/10/24 Shachar Shemesh :
> Dov Grobgeld wrote:
>
> Noam beat me to it, but here's perl solution without additional variables:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> %hash = (a=>['moo','goo','woo'],
> foo=>3,
> baz=>5);
>
> $ref = \%hash;
> foreach my $elem (@{$ref->{a}})
>
> Hi Dov,
>
> Yes, it works. Now can you, please, explain to me why? What is the role of
> each bracket you used (and its location)?
>
> Shachar
>
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Noam Rathaus wrote:
Shachar,
{ } in Perl are casting when they surround a value
And the second set of { } around the 'a' mean variable of Hash
Grumble grumble grumble
Okay, I'm sorry for being difficult. I really couldn't find the answer
in the Perl documentation.
I understand the second set of curly braces. I also, somewhat,
understand that the -> replaces the % (i.e. - reference dereferencing).
What I'm not so clear is what the first set of curly braces do (what do
you mean by "casting" - casting to what? How is that decided?). I'm also
not clear on why the surrounding round brackets are needed. I understand
they are so this will be a list context, but I don't understand why it's
needed once I put a @ to dereference the array.
Thanks,
Shachar
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
2009/10/24 Shachar Shemesh :
> Noam Rathaus wrote:
>
> Shachar,
>
> { } in Perl are casting when they surround a value
> And the second set of { } around the 'a' mean variable of Hash
>
>
>
>
> Grumble grumble grumble
not surprised as this is one of the funky places of Perl 5.
>
> Okay, I'm sorry for being difficult. I really couldn't find the answer in
> the Perl documentation.
>
> I understand the second set of curly braces. I also, somewhat, understand
> that the -> replaces the % (i.e. - reference dereferencing). What I'm not so
> clear is what the first set of curly braces do (what do you mean by
> "casting" - casting to what? How is that decided?). I'm also not clear on
> why the surrounding round brackets are needed. I understand they are so this
> will be a list context, but I don't understand why it's needed once I put a
> @ to dereference the array.
>
> Thanks,
> Shachar
>
> foreach my $elem (@{$ref->{a}})
err, I don't think that "casting" is the right word to use here. What
{} does here is
disambiguates the expression. Here is a table
$x - scalar
@x - array
%x - hash
$ra = \...@x reference to array
sticking @ infront of the reference to an array dereferences it
@x is the same as @$ra (you could also write and @{$ra} but it is
not necessary)
$x[1] is the same as $$ra[1] (element of array, replace @ by $ and
attach the index)
but it is ugly so it can also be written as $ra->[1]
$rh = \%x reference to hash
sticking % infront of the reference to a hash dereferences it
%x is the same as %$rh (could be also written as %{$rh} but it is not
necessary)
$x{foo} is the same as $$fh{foo} which is the same as $fh->{foo}
Now what if you have two dimensions: first dimension is a hash second
dimension is an array.
%h is a hash
@something = ('foo');
$h{a} = \...@something;
Which means
print $h{a}[0];# 'foo';
$ref = \%h; reference to hash
%h is the same as %$ref
$h{a} is the same as $$ref{a} or as $ref->{a} which is the reference
to the array: \...@something
sticking @ in front of it would dereference the array which would yield
@$h{a} or @$$ref{a} @$ref->{a} which is the same as @something
but it is not clear what does either of these mean
(looking at the last one, @$ref could mean $ref is a reference to an array and
that you are dereferencing @$ref and the resulting thingy is a hash ref)
So we wrap the reference in a curly brace to make it clear that is a
single variable:
@{$h{a}} or @{$$ref{a}} @{$ref->{a}} which is the same as @{something}
so the {} is basically around the "name' of the variable.
Hope this helps
Gabor
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
Gabor Szabo wrote:
err, I don't think that "casting" is the right word to use here. What
{} does here is
disambiguates the expression.
Let me try to summarize what I understood from your excellent explanation:
Putting a modifier in front of a reference dereference it to the right
type ($ for scalar etc.). Alternatively, putting a '->' (which is a
unary operator, not a binary one) also dereferences it, no matter what
it is pointing to.(at least for array and hash), so long as there is
some reference to its content on the operator's right (the same as it is
implemented in C++, only more confusing).
The curly braces act as a scoping operator, making the $/@/% relation to
parts of the expression unique.
All that is left is understanding why the round braces around the whole
expression.
Many thanks (the explanation was very useful)
Shachar
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Re: Perl question: array member of referenced hash
On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Let me try to summarize what I understood from your excellent explanation:
if that works for you :-)
>
> All that is left is understanding why the round braces around the whole
> expression.
Oh, the syntax of foreach has those parentheses
foreach my $iterator (things to iterate over) {
}
Where the things to iterate over can be a simple list of values, an array or
anything that returns a list of values which of course can be any expression.
foreach my $iterator (1,2,3,4,5) {
}
or for the lazy ones
foreach my $iterator (1..5) {
}
or for the really lazy ones:
for my $iterator (1..5) {
}
or
foreach my $iterator (@names) {
}
foreach my $iterator (@$ref) {
}
foreach my $iterator (function_that_returns_thingies()) {
}
Gabor
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