Re: "binks" when using newer kerels
On 30.05.2009 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Oron Peled writes: > > Fedora 10, HP DV-4000, with Intel-915GM (I think, it's not in front > > of me now). Please note this computer is 3+ years old... > Hmm... I am typing this on Fedora 10, Lenovo X200, with Intel 915 > (well, lspci says > > 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series > Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) Probably a different chipset or different chipset revision. I'll check my exact spec tomorrow. > and the i915 module is loaded, Xorg loads "intel" driver, so I gather > it *is* actually Intel 915) No necessarily. The same driver support a very wide range of chipsets. > and I do not experience any "blinks" or > "flicker" or anything unusual. Great. I didn't have neither until some 5 months ago. Hope to loose them in a month or two. > What am I doing wrong? ;-) Making our laptops look miserable comparing to yours ;-) > Well, I've had this computer for maybe 3 months, so maybe I have only > used fairly recent SW... My box is always fully yum updated. Your "problem" is that you used fairly recent HW... Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Linux is like a wigwam: No windows, no gates, Apache inside! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "binks" when using newer kernels
On 30.05.2009 Diego Iastrubni wrote: > I just heard that EXT4 is stable in 2.6.30... but no distro still uses that > kernel by default. My SOHO server uses an ext4 /home partition in the last 5 months (since Fedora-10 bundled it) without a hitch. Also, ext4 is the default partition type for Fedora-11 due in about a fortnight -- 9/6/2009, another week delay :-( > As Xorg 1.6 should come "soon", all I can think of is > "all distros are messed up right now, wait". The only "turbolent" area lately was really X (because of the changes required for KMS). It was harder for KDE users (me included) because KDE (especially Plasma) uses a lot of high end features of the drivers. Waiting for stabilization isn't a bad idea, but the main problems are over. At least from my POV (as a Fedora user), a fully updated F10 works reasonably well on all my computers (home + work) and F11 would be an improvement (X.org-1.6, KDE-4.3, etc.) Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron "Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features ... yet." -- Scott Adams ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "binks" when using newer kernels
On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:35:55 you wrote: > On 30.05.2009 Diego Iastrubni wrote: > > I just heard that EXT4 is stable in 2.6.30... but no distro still uses > > that kernel by default. > > My SOHO server uses an ext4 /home partition in the last 5 months (since > Fedora-10 bundled it) without a hitch. > > Also, ext4 is the default partition type for Fedora-11 due in > about a fortnight -- 9/6/2009, another week delay :-( http://www.tllts.org/dl.php?episode=300&submit=Submit I recommend you to listen to this podcast, in which The Linux Link Tech show intervue Ted T'so. He explains the problems in EXT4 and how distros are backporting features to earlier kernels. There are still a few bugs to be found. They also have a great intro, in which they play all the fun they had with RMS, that's always funny :) > > As Xorg 1.6 should come "soon", all I can think of is > > "all distros are messed up right now, wait". > > The only "turbolent" area lately was really X (because of the changes > required for KMS). It was harder for KDE users (me included) because > KDE (especially Plasma) uses a lot of high end features of the drivers. mmm... I have been thinking about it... I am not using KMS! But still, I have it compiled "built-in". Maybe it's time to remove it and test again. > Waiting for stabilization isn't a bad idea, but the main problems are > over. At least from my POV (as a Fedora user), a fully updated F10 > works reasonably well on all my computers (home + work) and F11 > would be an improvement (X.org-1.6, KDE-4.3, etc.) Oron, I kindly disagree with you. The problems are now starting: only now the code is going to be used widly, only now the developers can see how it works on non-developers machines. This is time for me to wait for the internet to test the code before I use it :) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Last Day Reminder - Re: [TelFOSS] Announcement: "Fring Open Source Apps" on 31-May-2009
Hi all! This is a last day reminder that the Tel Aviv Open Source Club will meet tomorrow (Sunday, 31-May-2009) to hear Alex Nerst's and Michal Geva's talk about the "Fring Open Source Apps". More information can be found in the quoted message below. Hope to see you there. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Tuesday 26 May 2009 18:53:28 Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all! > > The Tel Aviv Open Source Club will host a talk by Alex Nerst and Michal > Geva about "The Open-Source Fring Twitter and Last.fm Mobile Apps" - on > Sunday, 31-May-2009. > > The meeting will take place at Tel Aviv University, at the Schreiber > Maths&CS building, room 008 on 18:30. So mark your calendars. More > information can be found at: > > * http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ > > * http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php/Tel_Aviv_Meeting_on_31_May_2009 > > Attendance is free and everyone are welcome. > > With any other problems, feel free to contact me: > > http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/ > > Abstract: > - > > Join this session to learn about the next generation of mobile application > development. > > fring, a mobile application and a community with millions of users around > the world, enables developers to build mobile applications using their web > development skills (PHP, .Net, Java, XML etc). > > fring includes VoIP, chat and integration with other networks such as: > Skype, Facebook, MSN & Twitter. The fring API provides access to fring’s > features and integration with the handset’s core features Camera, GPS, > Security etc. > > You build your application on your own web server, by using any web > development technology and communicate with fring via XML. > > The demonstration will focus on two mobile apps: Twitter & Last.fm, which > were developed using the fring API and are available as open source. > > https://www.fring.com/ > > -- > > We are always looking for presentations on interesting topics. If you have > an interesting idea for a talk, feel free to contact us and we'll > co-ordinate a date. > > Regards, > > Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ What does "Zionism" mean? - http://xrl.us/bjn8u God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Power management woes [Was: "binks" when using newer kerels]
Oron Peled writes: >> What am I doing wrong? ;-) > > Making our laptops look miserable comparing to yours ;-) To sweep this totally unwarranted accusation away once and for all, here is my problem that maybe someone can help me with: I am probably doing something wrong with power management. When I unplug the laptop (Lenovo X200, fully yum-updated Fedora 10, KDE, etc., etc.) I expect it to continue working. Audacity of hope, bla-bla. Instead, after a few seconds it suspends itself (KDE kicker actually pops up a little black balloon saying "click me if you want to prevent suspending the system" - or words to that effect - but clicking it doesn't do anything useful). I need to unsuspend it (Fn-F4), and it starts again, but with network disabled. I actually need to "sudo service network restart" and then to reconnect to the WiFi (the laptops default connection), and then everything seems to be fine. I tried to go over the KDE power management configuration screens (in what used to be called Kontrol Center) but every setting there looks reasonable to me. Any ideas? It's a minor annoyance but I'll be glad to be rid of it. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[HAIFUX LECTURE] Compiling Effectively for Cell with GCC
On Monday, June 1st at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear Revital Eres' talk Compiling Effectively for Cell with GCC Abstract (and slides?) to be published. = We meet in Taub building, room 6. For instructions see: http://www.haifux.org/where.html Attendance is free, and you are all invited! == Future lectures: 1/6/09 Compiling Effectively for Cell with GCC: Revital Eres 15/6/09 Arduino - Open Source Hardware and a Viewport to Micro Manufacturing: Amy Chayun 29/6/09 KSM and the art of memory mangement: Izik Eidus 13/7/09 Google's Android: An Overview: Yoni Rabkin 27/7/09 How Time Flies: Jiffies, Hi-Res Timers and the Tickless Kernel: Gilad Ben-Yossef == We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be interested in, please contact us at webmas...@haifux.org -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Power management woes [Was: "binks" when using newer kerels]
On 30.05.2009 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > When I unplug the laptop (Lenovo X200, fully yum-updated Fedora 10, > KDE, etc., etc.) I expect it to continue working. Audacity of hope, > bla-bla. Instead, after a few seconds it suspends itself (KDE kicker > actually pops up a little black balloon saying "click me if you want > to prevent suspending the system" - or words to that effect - but > clicking it doesn't do anything useful). Maybe you still have kpowersave installed? It should be obsoleted since KDE-4.2 which introduced PowerDevil (packaged as part of kdebase-workspace, check you have it installed). > I need to unsuspend it (Fn-F4), and it starts again, but with network > disabled. I actually need to "sudo service network restart" and then > to reconnect to the WiFi (the laptops default connection), and then > everything seems to be fine. Network connectivity -- note there are two systems: 1. Network Manager - Since F8, became default since F9. 2. The legacy network scripts. First, make sure they don't fight each other: chkconfig --list NetworkManager chkconfig --list network Only one of these should be enabled (normally NetworkManager). If you want NetworkManager to use your older system configuration simply choose "system eth0" instead of "auto eth0". This setting uses a distro specific backend to run the legacy scripts (F9 made NetworkManager default after having this backward compatibility layer). > I tried to go over the KDE power management configuration screens (in > what used to be called Kontrol Center) but every setting there looks > reasonable to me. If it persist, aside from reporting this bug against Fedora bugzilla there are two upgrade paths that may help you: 1. Upgrade to F11 (KDE-4.3) in two weeks (9/2) and apply the 0-day updates. 2. Wait a little longer, as KDE-4.3 is planned to be pushed to F10 after the release of F11. Hope it helps, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Power management woes
Oron Peled writes: > Maybe you still have kpowersave installed? It should be obsoleted > since KDE-4.2 which introduced PowerDevil (packaged as part of > kdebase-workspace, check you have it installed). Hmm... $ rpm -q kpowersave kpowersave-0.7.3-3.fc9.x86_64 $ rpm -q kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-4.2.3-4.fc10.x86_64 Will uninstall kpowersave and see what happens. > First, make sure they don't fight each other: > chkconfig --list NetworkManager > chkconfig --list network It's Network Manager: $ chkconfig --list NetworkManager NetworkManager 0:off 1:off 2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off $ chkconfig --list network network 0:off 1:off 2:off 3:off 4:off 5:off 6:off > If you want NetworkManager to use your older system configuration > simply choose "system eth0" instead of "auto eth0". No, it was a clean F10 install from scratch - no legacy stuff. Thanks a lot for the tips - I'll see if it helps. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: "binks" when using newer kernels
On 30.05.2009 Diego Iastrubni wrote: > On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:35:55 you wrote: > > My SOHO server uses an ext4 /home partition in the last 5 months (since > > Fedora-10 bundled it) without a hitch. > > http://www.tllts.org/dl.php?episode=300&submit=Submit > > I recommend you to listen to this podcast, in which The Linux Link Tech show > intervue Ted T'so. He explains the problems in EXT4 and how distros are > backporting features to earlier kernels. There are still a few bugs to be > found. Yes, I've read about these problems before, which is why I emphasized my experience. Thanks to this interview I now know why (Ted mentions specific steps taken by a Fedora maintainer which is also one of the *upstream* developers of ext4). > Oron, I kindly disagree with you. The problems are now starting: > only now the code is going to be used widly, only now the developers > can see how it works on non-developers machines. I don't know about your distribution. F10 has been shipping and updating the KMS and video drivers during the last 5 months (and as I said earlier, it was very buggy in the beginning). This code has been used by a lot more than KMS developers machines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics This doesn't mean there are no bugs. But claiming we are just starting the bug squashing now is far fetched. Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -Oscar Wilde ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
