Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone
Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM. This makes me look into direction of Android G1. It is too young to have elaborated applications support, but it already has http://www.andnav.org/ that uses OpenStreetMap data. Currently there is no coverage for Israel though: http://www.andnav.org/images/stories/news/coverage/ Do anybody knows more about andnav2 and Israel support? Also, do any of the Israeli phone carriers plan to import Android-based phones? -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone
I have a T-Mobie G1 (bought in the states) and am pretty happy with it. It is pure Linux in its core, has an SDK for application development and the whole source is available (http://source.android.com/). I am not too interested on GPS applications or navigation but it has a pretty good GPS (tough it eats the battery horribly) and the Google Maps support is pretty good. There is also a talk given by Gilad Ben-Yoseff (anyone know if the slides of the presentation are available somewhere?) and the documentation for development is pretty good. Hebrew support is fine, you just install the fonts and its there (gilad also has a post about this) and someone wrote an application called "hebkeys" that i havent tested but gives you a virtual keyboard on screen for hebrew typing. It has full QWERTY keyboard which is pretty comfortable for typing and the screen is big enough for surfing and ssh'ing (it is a bit smaler than an iphone's screen, but you have the keyboard separated from it). good luck on your quest, Shay On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Arie Skliarouk wrote: > Hi, > > For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with > Linux and GPS. > > Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it > is dying for several reasons: > * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues > * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) > * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn > navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM. > > This makes me look into direction of Android G1. It is too young to > have elaborated applications support, but it already has > http://www.andnav.org/ that uses OpenStreetMap data. > > Currently there is no coverage for Israel though: > http://www.andnav.org/images/stories/news/coverage/ > > Do anybody knows more about andnav2 and Israel support? > > Also, do any of the Israeli phone carriers plan to import Android-based > phones? > > -- > Arie > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone
(As you used the word GNU in the subject line) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: > Hi, > > For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with > Linux and GPS. > > Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it > is dying for several reasons: > * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues Latest? Wasn't this issue resolved? > * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) > * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn > navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM. You want a free platform? > > This makes me look into direction of Android G1. The Android may be Linux. But it is not GNU/Linux . The userspace is completely different. Userspace GNU/Linux applications you know can work on the Moko, but generally won't work on an Android. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
open street map and symbian
hi There is an israeli site, which uses an open GPS software but a closed map. so for that (and other reasons - maps of other countries) i would like to use openstreetmap instead was anyone able to use openstreetmap on symbian ? thanks, erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
Hi, On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 21:07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/1/6 sara fink : > > everyone who has complaints about orange web site, please post it here > with > > the defect that bothers him. > > > > The device catalog is improperly displayed in Firefox, and therefore > unusable: > http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ > > I have written to them no less than four times on the subject, each > time at the request of a different Linux user who brought it to my > attention. Just noticed that the orange replaced the FF incompatible HTML with flash. http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ Is it so hard to program in HTML nowadays? All the features they use can be easily done with DHTML... At least - one less page that does not work in FF... -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[TelFOSS] Announcement: "Fring Open Source Apps" on 31-May-2009
Hi all! The Tel Aviv Open Source Club will host a talk by Alex Nerst and Michal Geva about "The Open-Source Fring Twitter and Last.fm Mobile Apps" - on Sunday, 31-May-2009. The meeting will take place at Tel Aviv University, at the Schreiber Maths&CS building, room 008 on 18:30. So mark your calendars. More information can be found at: * http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ * http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php/Tel_Aviv_Meeting_on_31_May_2009 Attendance is free and everyone are welcome. With any other problems, feel free to contact me: http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/ Abstract: - Join this session to learn about the next generation of mobile application development. fring, a mobile application and a community with millions of users around the world, enables developers to build mobile applications using their web development skills (PHP, .Net, Java, XML etc). fring includes VoIP, chat and integration with other networks such as: Skype, Facebook, MSN & Twitter. The fring API provides access to fring’s features and integration with the handset’s core features Camera, GPS, Security etc. You build your application on your own web server, by using any web development technology and communicate with fring via XML. The demonstration will focus on two mobile apps: Twitter & Last.fm, which were developed using the fring API and are available as open source. https://www.fring.com/ -- We are always looking for presentations on interesting topics. If you have an interesting idea for a talk, feel free to contact us and we'll co-ordinate a date. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Understand what Open Source is - http://xrl.us/bjn82 God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
Maybe the flash works, but why the Hebrew is shown in reverse? 2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk : > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 21:07, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> >> 2009/1/6 sara fink : >> > everyone who has complaints about orange web site, please post it here >> > with >> > the defect that bothers him. >> > >> >> The device catalog is improperly displayed in Firefox, and therefore >> unusable: >> http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ >> >> I have written to them no less than four times on the subject, each >> time at the request of a different Linux user who brought it to my >> attention. > > Just noticed that the orange replaced the FF incompatible HTML with flash. > http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ > > Is it so hard to program in HTML nowadays? All the features they use can be > easily done with DHTML... > > At least - one less page that does not work in FF... > > -- > Arie > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone
Hi, > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: >> Hi, >> >> For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with >> Linux and GPS. >> >> Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it >> is dying for several reasons: >> * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues > > Latest? Wasn't this issue resolved? Could be. I am not tracking the development closely. >> * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) >> * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn >> navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM. > > You want a free platform? Yes, I want a free platform. I did not meant to say that lack of DRM is an disadvantage (actually I think the opposite). I just said that lack of DRM is one of the reason why professional developers do not develop for the FreeRunner. The Android's combo of developer's and layman's versions of the phone looks like it is appeasing enough for professional developers to develop applications for the layman's version of the phone. The method is deficient as well, as the developer's model can not use Android Market for non-free applications. >> This makes me look into direction of Android G1. > > The Android may be Linux. But it is not GNU/Linux . The userspace is > completely different. Userspace GNU/Linux applications you know can work > on the Moko, but generally won't work on an Android. Right. My hope on this is that the popularity of the platform and relative openness of the developer's version (see http://lwn.net/Articles/331908/) would make the phone to be both Linux and Android compatible. I would like to repeat my original questions, so they would not get lost in the details: Do anybody knows more about andnav2 and Israel support? > > Also, do any of the Israeli phone carriers plan to import Android-based > phones? > -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
USB Flash with LCD or MP3 with Accessible LCD (OT?)
Hi, I'm looking for a USB flash with an LCD, which is accessible from the computer (i.e. you can control the content of the LCD from the computer which the USB flash is connected to). Alternatively, if there is any MP3, which its LCD is accessible from the computer, it may help me too. So far, all of the MP3 players that I checked, can't help, because their LCDs are disabled when connected to a computer. The OS of the computer is Linux, so if a driver is needed (to write to the LCD), it's not a problem (though I believe that if here is any solution, it doesn't involve special drivers, but only access the FS of the USB and put an image or text to be displayed on the LCD). Thanks! -- Eli Marmor mar...@netmask.it Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
Macromedia sux? On Tuesday 26 May 2009 19:11:44 Noam Rathaus wrote: > Maybe the flash works, but why the Hebrew is shown in reverse? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
Reversed text in Hebrew is a long issue in Adobe Flash, which fixed in the recent years for Windows users, but Linux (and Mac?) users are still unable to read it, and there is no (as far as I know) player-side script to workaround this issue. By the way - Flash on Linux is worse than running IE under Wine. I would prefer broken HTML page with some workarounds as userscripts over "beautiful" Flash but slow to process. (Diego - Adobe bought Macromedia long time ago) Tomer. 2009/5/26 Noam Rathaus > Maybe the flash works, but why the Hebrew is shown in reverse? > > 2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk : > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 21:07, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> > >> 2009/1/6 sara fink : > >> > everyone who has complaints about orange web site, please post it here > >> > with > >> > the defect that bothers him. > >> > > >> > >> The device catalog is improperly displayed in Firefox, and therefore > >> unusable: > >> http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ > >> > >> I have written to them no less than four times on the subject, each > >> time at the request of a different Linux user who brought it to my > >> attention. > > > > Just noticed that the orange replaced the FF incompatible HTML with > flash. > > http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ > > > > Is it so hard to program in HTML nowadays? All the features they use can > be > > easily done with DHTML... > > > > At least - one less page that does not work in FF... > > -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OT:Job Offer
Hello folks! I've been asked to pass this on - it's not specifically Linux (in fact I don't know what platform is used), but we all have to eat ... Company: Radwin Ltd., www.radwin.com Software Development - Student Project Description: Develop planning tools to be deployed to a wireless network. The project includes development of programs involving algorithms and user interface. The position requires about three days work per week. Qualifications: Student, year two or higher up to first degree with honors in one of the following disciplines: Computer Science, Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering. Requirements: * Independent worker * Quick learner of new material * Previous programming experience - an advantage * Familiarity with a C++/Perl programming environment - an advantage * Programming in a Web environment - an advantage Please send CVs directly to Libat Levy,li...@radwin.com. Regards, Daniel Feiglin -- begin:vcard fn:Daniel Feiglin n:Feiglin;Daniel adr:;;POB 36;Shavei Shomron;Doar Na;44858;ISRAEL email;internet:dilog...@inter.net.il tel;work:972 9 8616204 tel;fax:972 9 8621052 tel;pager:Skype user ID: baba_danny tel;home:972 9 8320939 tel;cell:927 52 3869986 version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:45:00PM +0300, Tomer Cohen wrote: > Reversed text in Hebrew is a long issue in Adobe Flash, which fixed in the > recent years for Windows users, but Linux (and Mac?) users of the Adobe Flash implementation. Other implementations (Gnash?) got it right. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
On Tuesday 26 May 2009 20:45:00 Tomer Cohen wrote: > (Diego - Adobe bought Macromedia long time ago) Them too. Ok. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: USB Flash with LCD or MP3 with Accessible LCD (OT?)
Hi, You can take any Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) supporting player and write an program that would do what you need. -- Arie On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 18:35, Eli Marmor wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a USB flash with an LCD, which is accessible from the > computer (i.e. you can control the content of the LCD from the computer > which the USB flash is connected to). > > Alternatively, if there is any MP3, which its LCD is accessible from > the computer, it may help me too. > > So far, all of the MP3 players that I checked, can't help, because > their LCDs are disabled when connected to a computer. > > The OS of the computer is Linux, so if a driver is needed (to write to > the LCD), it's not a problem (though I believe that if here is any > solution, it doesn't involve special drivers, but only access the FS of > the USB and put an image or text to be displayed on the LCD). > > Thanks! > -- > Eli Marmor > mar...@netmask.it > Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. > __ > Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. > Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 > Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Israeli sites that are broken under firefox
> Maybe the flash works, but why the Hebrew is shown in reverse? > Because the Orange website devs test in exactly one browser/os combination? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) * There is no quality applications for it (like GPS turn-by-turn navigation) due to chicken-egg problem and lack of DRM. This makes me look into direction of Android G1. It is too young to have elaborated applications support, but it already has http://www.andnav.org/ that uses OpenStreetMap data. Currently there is no coverage for Israel though: http://www.andnav.org/images/stories/news/coverage/ Do anybody knows more about andnav2 and Israel support? Also, do any of the Israeli phone carriers plan to import Android-based phones? There is a better choice than Android: maemo. See http://www.maemo.org for details. In short, this is a debian based system, which includes GTK, QT, Python, Perl. Many debian/ubuntu arm binary packages can be installed and While Maemo devices are available for almost 4 years, the first Maemo based phone is going to be released soon: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ While not listed in the article, the device will include GPS. -- Matan. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
ping problems
hi i have an openwrt (linux) router, with regular firewall rules (nat, related+established,clamp-mss-to-pmtu, etc). if i ping from the router to the internet, it works ok however if i ping from inside my lan to the internet, the first 30-70 pings works, then it stops working (i.e. 100% packet lost after the first 30-70) using tcpdump inside my router shows the icmps going through the wan interface but none come back. any idea ? erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ping problems
If you ping another destination during the "hang" - does it work? If you ifdown and ifup the interfaces (wan + lan) on the router after a hang - is it released? an icmp packet is short so i don't think this is the case but: what is the MTU on the lan/wan? Also, use a tool like mtr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtr_(My_traceroute) to detect any packet loss along the route. 2009/5/27 Erez D : > hi > > i have an openwrt (linux) router, with regular firewall rules (nat, > related+established,clamp-mss-to-pmtu, etc). > > if i ping from the router to the internet, it works ok > however if i ping from inside my lan to the internet, the first 30-70 pings > works, then it stops working (i.e. 100% packet lost after the first 30-70) > using tcpdump inside my router shows the icmps going through the wan > interface but none come back. > > any idea ? > erez. > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Frank Lloyd Wright - "TV is chewing gum for the eyes." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/f/frank_lloyd_wright.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
