Re: Debian Day 2008
I don't think we have any plans, but we can make :-) Suggestions for places/times? - shay On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to "Debian Project News - August 4th, 2008", the 15th > anniversary of the Debian project will be celebrated on Aug. 16, 2008. > More details are supposed to be in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay2008 > but this link did not work for me. > > Is any Debian Day planned in Israel? > --- Omer > > > -- > You haven't made an impact on the world before you caused a Debian > release to be named after Snufkin. > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > >> 2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? > > Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of > TFA? > > >>> > > >>> There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can use > > >>> it to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant ability. > > >> > > >> Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with a > > >> regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html, no? > > > > > > I need to forward the www.iglu.org.il / iglu.org.il domains to > somewhere > > > meaningful on the disk, where I can put PHP apps, Perl apps, Apache > > > redirects, etc. At the moment it tries to connect and is unsuccessful, > so > > > I don't know where it goes to. > > > > Let's just start with putting the new stuff in. I'll take care of the > > redirects. > > See? That's why I (and most other people I've been talking with) find you > impossible to work with. Sorry I don't see the problem, Shachar as the admin should take care of redirects, DNS etc. You will be given control over the content since you will get ssh access to the relevant directories and subdirectories. As for CMS, when using a CMS many people can collaborate on the contents. When using your systems which might be superior over CMS, ONLY you can edit the pages, other people have a steep learning curve before they can use it. Remember many people does not know and are not willing to know any markup language and source code management such as subversion. I suggest you collaborate with someone that can put a CMS such as Drupal or Joomla on iglu.co.il As for the ugly URL's I understand that in Drupal you can control them so they are not so ugly. However, I still don't understand why ugly URL's are such a big issue. I do however understand the need to keep old URL's such as iglu.co.il -- Ori Idan
Re: Debian Day 2008
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Omer Zak wrote: > According to "Debian Project News - August 4th, 2008", the 15th > anniversary of the Debian project will be celebrated on Aug. 16, 2008. That's a Saturday, unfortunately. > More details are supposed to be in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay2008 > but this link did not work for me. > > Is any Debian Day planned in Israel? Don't know. Regards, Shlomi Fish > --- Omer -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Original Riddles - http://www.shlomifish.org/puzzles/ Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
Hi. On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> 2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? > Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of TFA? > >>> > >>> There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can use > >>> it to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant ability. > >> > >> Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with a > >> regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html, no? > > > > I need to forward the www.iglu.org.il / iglu.org.il domains to somewhere > > meaningful on the disk, where I can put PHP apps, Perl apps, Apache > > redirects, etc. At the moment it tries to connect and is unsuccessful, so > > I don't know where it goes to. > > Let's just start with putting the new stuff in. I'll take care of the > redirects. See? That's why I (and most other people I've been talking with) find you impossible to work with. I don't want *you* to take care of the redirects. I want the site to be up and for me to see what I'm doing. I cannot move things to random places out of thin air. Please put www.iglu.org.il somewhere meaningful on tux.hamakor.org.il and let me edit it. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ "The Human Hacking Field Guide" - http://xrl.us/bjn8q Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Shlomi Fish wrote: > > Actually, in a further email, I eventually said that I agreed to do > > anything you allowed me to do, and nothing more, as long as I can work on > > it. > > That's great to hear! Then lets move the content into the CMS so that > people other than you can work on it, They already can using Subversion, etc. I have my own custom HTML generators for stuff like that which are superior to such CMSes that only give you a gigantic textarea to edit your HTML in. So I'd rather not switch from my own generators, which are more convenient and less verbose to the verbose-HTML-textareas in the CMS. I already told you about it in a previous email. Not to mention that the Joomla URLs are still very obscure and ugly: * http://www.hamakor.org.il/content/view/32/43/ * http://www.hamakor.org.il/component/option,com_rsgallery2/Itemid,52/ * http://www.hamakor.org.il/content/view/38/46/ > and set up redirects from the old > URLs. You already have all the permissions you need to do that. > > Personally, I would start with the URL you gave Dotan. Which URL? And see my other email. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ What does "Zionism" mean? - http://xrl.us/bjn8u Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Day 2008
I created a DebianDAy2008 page and its discussion page in the debian wiki. Please refer to: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDayIsrael2008 Any ideas and suggestions will be appreciated :-) On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Yehoshua (Shay) O'Hayon Suchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think we have any plans, but we can make :-) > > Suggestions for places/times? > > - shay > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> According to "Debian Project News - August 4th, 2008", the 15th >> anniversary of the Debian project will be celebrated on Aug. 16, 2008. >> More details are supposed to be in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay2008 >> but this link did not work for me. >> >> Is any Debian Day planned in Israel? >> --- Omer >> >> >> -- >> You haven't made an impact on the world before you caused a Debian >> release to be named after Snufkin. >> My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ >> >> My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. >> They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which >> I may be affiliated in any way. >> WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html >> >> >> = >> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote: Actually, in a further email, I eventually said that I agreed to do anything you allowed me to do, and nothing more, as long as I can work on it. That's great to hear! Then lets move the content into the CMS so that people other than you can work on it, They already can using Subversion, etc. Except nobody but you manages to, unlike the Joomla setting. I have my own custom HTML generators for stuff like that which are superior to such CMSes that only give you a gigantic textarea to edit your HTML in. Your definition of "whatever Shachar says" is definitely new and refreshing. I think we can stop this rehash right here. Obviously, you are still set on not changing anything, not matter what. So I'd rather not switch from my own generators, Yes, I know that. The problem is that everyone else would rather you switch, or you are locking out other contributers. Fact is, no one else touched the old sites, but we have had more than four people putting content on the new one. I would trade four for one any day, thank you. Not to mention that the Joomla URLs are still very obscure and ugly: * http://www.hamakor.org.il/content/view/32/43/ For someone who self testifies that he can learn from feedback, you have a lousy memory. I already pointed you to several modules that fix it, and you said you will. Needless to say, I'm still waiting. Personally, I would start with the URL you gave Dotan. Which URL? And see my other email. http://www.hamakor.org.il/mailing-lists/ Even when you put things on the right domain, you refuse to use the technology used there. See? That's why I (and most other people I've been talking with) find you impossible to work with. Are those the same people who deny it when you drag them, against their will, into the discussion? The same that, on different occasions, call to bitch to me about your strong headedness regarding these very issues? I think this is one criticism I can take. Please put www.iglu.org.il somewhere meaningful on tux.hamakor.org.il and let me edit it. Which is exactly why I don't do it. Because what you'll do is restore the old site, with all of its problems intact. In other words, I'm not giving you control because I DON'T TRUST YOU. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is over. The matter has been discussed to death. The only reason I replied now was because it seemed, for a second, that you may actually be willing to help out in a way productive for the rest of us. Sorry, false alarm. Nothing more to see here. Regards, Shlomi Fish Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of TFA? There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can use it to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant ability. Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with a regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html, no? I need to forward the www.iglu.org.il / iglu.org.il domains to somewhere meaningful on the disk, where I can put PHP apps, Perl apps, Apache redirects, etc. At the moment it tries to connect and is unsuccessful, so I don't know where it goes to. Let's just start with putting the new stuff in. I'll take care of the redirects. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Day 2008
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 11:40 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Omer Zak wrote: > > According to "Debian Project News - August 4th, 2008", the 15th > > anniversary of the Debian project will be celebrated on Aug. 16, 2008. > > That's a Saturday, unfortunately. Not necessarily. Possible solutions: 1. Screw the Shabbat observants (including those who use SMS but do not protest strongly against the anti-deaf halachic directives from Rabbi Eliashiv and his ilk) and hold the event on Saturday nevertheless (see the sig below). 2. Hold the event on Saturday evening, after end of Shabbat. 3. Hold the event on another day. --- Omer -- "Kosher" Cellphones (cellphones with blocked SMS, video and Internet) are menace to the deaf. They must be outlawed! (See also: http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/2006/04/21/the-grave-danger-to-the-deaf-from-kosher-cellphones/) My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be done? > >> Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the sake of TFA? > > > > There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can use it > > to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant ability. > > Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with a > regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html, no? I need to forward the www.iglu.org.il / iglu.org.il domains to somewhere meaningful on the disk, where I can put PHP apps, Perl apps, Apache redirects, etc. At the moment it tries to connect and is unsuccessful, so I don't know where it goes to. > > >> I want to see which Israeli LUG mailing lists exist. > > > > See: > > > > http://www.hamakor.org.il/mailing-lists/ > > How dumb I am, I even have that bookmarked! But instead I went > straight to Google and did not even look at my bookmarks... Yes, Google cannot find this page for some reason. > > > There are links to all the LUG sites here: > > > > http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/resources/israel/guide-to-israeli-f > >oss-resources/ > > Thanks! There are some resources that look good here. > Thanks. > > What does "Zionism" mean? - http://xrl.us/bjn8u > > I think that was intended for a different audience, perhaps included > by mistake. No, it was not - it is one of the links in my randomised signature. I have about 17 links like that and it picks up a random one each time. My hope is that people will click them and learn about my homepage. I'd like to add more. > You do realize that this is an _Israeli_ and primarily > _Jewish_ forum, no? Well, it points to: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/politics/define-zionism/ And it's still relevant to an Israeli and/or Jewish audience. I'm voicing my own opinion which is opposed to that of most Israeli Jews I know. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Original Riddles - http://www.shlomifish.org/puzzles/ Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: stopping google from showing swik.net results
hi for some time now, whenever i search for something in google, the first results i get are another search via a site called swik.net i want to disable these results as it is just a waste of time for me trying to search how to block it, i got results from swik.net ... how can i disable this (and any other parasite like this) thanks, erez.
Re: OT: stopping google from showing swik.net results
Hi, This isn't a feature of Google as far as I know, it would even more seem odd that Google will give you results from another search site. You sure you didn't install some sort of search software, intentionally or unintentionally? On Tuesday 05 August 2008 17:55:10 Erez D wrote: > hi > > for some time now, whenever i search for something in google, > the first results i get are another search via a site called swik.net > > i want to disable these results as it is just a waste of time for me > > trying to search how to block it, i got results from swik.net ... > > > how can i disable this (and any other parasite like this) > > > thanks, > erez. -- Noam Rathaus CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.beyondsecurity.com "Know that you are safe." Beyond Security Finalist for the "Red Herring 100 Global" Awards 2007 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Iglu site down?
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Ori Idan wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> > > Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > >> 2008/8/5 Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > Is there not a backup of the old site, from which this can be
> > > done? Not for the sake of our root-wanting friend, but for the
> > > sake of
> >
> > TFA?
> >
> > > >>> There is a backup of all the site's data on the tux server. I can
> > > >>> use it to restore iglu.org.il from there given the relevant
> > > >>> ability.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just to clear things up before Shahar steps in: you can do that with
> > > >> a regular account that has ssh write access to /var/www/public-html,
> > > >> no?
> > > >
> > > > I need to forward the www.iglu.org.il / iglu.org.il domains to
> >
> > somewhere
> >
> > > > meaningful on the disk, where I can put PHP apps, Perl apps, Apache
> > > > redirects, etc. At the moment it tries to connect and is
> > > > unsuccessful,
> >
> > so
> >
> > > > I don't know where it goes to.
> > >
> > > Let's just start with putting the new stuff in. I'll take care of the
> > > redirects.
> >
> > See? That's why I (and most other people I've been talking with) find you
> > impossible to work with.
>
> Sorry I don't see the problem, Shachar as the admin should take care of
> redirects, DNS etc.
Because I need to see the "existing" (i.e: what used to exist on iglu.org.il)
resources in front of my eyes and working, before I can actually import them
to a different location. Otherwise I won't be able to see what I'm doing
properly.
> You will be given control over the content since you will get ssh access to
> the relevant directories and subdirectories.
I have ssh access to the entire server, even now. But I want to be able to put
things on iglu.org.il where they used to exist, so I'll know what I can do
with them.
>
> As for CMS, when using a CMS many people can collaborate on the contents.
> When using your systems which might be superior over CMS, ONLY you can edit
> the pages, other people have a steep learning curve before they can use it.
Right, but there's a learning curve for everything: for Linux, for MS-Windows,
for PHP, for Firefox, for Perl, etc. People should not fear learning new
things. And most of my tools are easy to learn.
In order to use Joomla, people should learn HTML.
If I were for example to maintain my mailing lists as a few HTML pages on
Joomla, then they:
1. Would contain a lot of duplicate XHTML markup.
2. Would be easy to break.
3. If I want to synchronise them from my copy, then the changes people do
there would be lost the next time I upload my changes, and people would be
mad.
> Remember many people does not know and are not willing to know any markup
> language and source code management such as subversion.
Joomla requires you to learn HTML. There you go.
> I suggest you collaborate with someone that can put a CMS such as Drupal or
> Joomla on iglu.co.il
www.iglu.org.il used to carry PostNuke (which I hate and dislike and would
like to be replaced with something more decent, like Drupal), and MediaWiki
and other custom apps. PostNuke is also a CMS. But I need to be able to put
stuff on www.iglu.org.il so I can see what I'm doing.
> As for the ugly URL's I understand that in Drupal you can control them so
> they are not so ugly.
In Joomla too, but I didn't get to it.
> However, I still don't understand why ugly URL's are such a big issue.
Maybe they're not.
> I do however understand the need to keep old URL's such as iglu.co.il
Yes, so do I.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
P.S: And regarding paragraph formatting and proper netiquette see:
http://www.writerswrite.com/journal/dec99/pirillo1.htm
Especailly:
{{{
Use blank lines (hard carriage returns) to separate your paragraphs. Steer
clear of tabs, because different e-mail programs can show tab stops
differently onscreen. Use spaces if you need to indent something, but
indenting the first line of each paragraph is largely unnecessary and should
be avoided if possible.
}}}
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Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing
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