Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 And if you bother doing it - consider using all the maximum of 20 votes you can put on each single bug. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 And if you bother doing it - consider using all the maximum of 20 votes you can put on each single bug. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Quoting Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word "alignment", and that really has nothing to do with the problem at hand, which is directionality. You wish the various pieces of the text to be correctly ordered from right to left. If they just justify it to the right, it would be a great waste of votes, and that's what the word "alignment" implies. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Herouth Maoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Quoting Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: >> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 > > What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word > "alignment", and that really has nothing to do with the problem at hand, > which is directionality. You wish the various pieces of the text to be > correctly ordered from right to left. If they just justify it to the right, > it would be a great waste of votes, and that's what the word "alignment" > implies. > Thanks, Maoz, please add that information to the bug. I am not sure that I understand the difference nor am I poetic enough in the Queen's language to properly express it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 What bothers me about this bug description is that you use the word "alignment", and that really has nothing to do with the problem at hand, which is directionality. You wish the various pieces of the text to be correctly ordered from right to left. If they just justify it to the right, it would be a great waste of votes, and that's what the word "alignment" implies. What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at the toolkit level. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Hi Dotan, I have seen you bug sprint this week, don't worry :) However, bug 165406 talks about input controls,which in Qt4 do not have automatic direction detection. IMHO, this is a non important bug compared to 163459 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163459 This one renderes Plasma completelly useless for RTL users, and prevents the proper translation of the GUI: it means that Plasma will *always* be LTR, since the graphics scene layout system does not know about the widget direction and ignores that property completelly. The last bug will hopefuly fixed by Trolltech in Qt45 which means (I am currently looking if this issue has been sent to the trolls at all). One more note: Voting in this case is completelly usesless. The LTR developers (hm) are afraid of touching this, and with good reasonss. There are very few people which understand this area, and none of them are coding right now. Even if you have giziliion-gazillio votes - no one will fix this issue. I will try to find time in a month or two, but I cannot promise anything, and specially nothing for KDE 4.0, maybe (with a lot of luck for KDE 4.1.2 or 4.1.1), but most possible for 4.2.0. My suggestion? Nag the distributions. They have resources (=developers) which can be spent in this subject, they can really make a difference. So far, none of the distros are paying for a developer in the RTL/BiDI field - and this is why KDE4 and (somettimes...) gnome are licking balls in this area. On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:06:17 +0300, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165406 Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? BTW, WTF is this garbage? Is this opera writing shit, or badly sent email? I don't see it in KMail �˛���m� �ٚ�[h�)��)kz,���iȥ�+a����n�˛���m觶�z����w'�(�f�u�!��칻 �&ޙ���)��)kz,���iȥ -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > My suggestion? > Nag the distributions. They have resources (=developers) which can be spent > in this subject, they can really make a difference. So far, none of the > distros are paying for a developer in the RTL/BiDI field - and this is why > KDE4 and (somettimes...) gnome are licking balls in this area. > Here, nag with me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde4/+bug/244228 > BTW, WTF is this garbage? Is this opera writing shit, or badly sent email? I > don't see it in KMail Is that from my sig? If so then it should be the Hebrew alphabet. I put it there to parse incorrectly-encoded replies on mailing lists, which helps me refine the http://gibberish.co.il website. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The > bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi > support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at > the toolkit level. > > Shachar > At what level do you suggest that the directionality shortcut be added to KDE apps, as is the case in Mozilla apps? I will file a bug at the place that you suggest, Shachar. Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Quoting Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: What bothers me even more is that this is just KDE working as it should. The bug is in kate and the rest of the programs that decided not to have bidi support. There is NO way to provide a generic solution to this problem at the toolkit level. Why? A toolkit is supposed to control the behavior of the various fields and items that it offers as "black boxes" to the user. Of course, the reference here is only to generic text fields. Of course, word processors usually take control and either use their own text engines, or the toolkit offers plain and complex text engines, and they choose the complex. for plain text fields, including labels & static text, the directionality is, indeed, under the responsibility of the toolkit. Or am I missing something here? Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Dotan Cohen wrote: At what level do you suggest that the directionality shortcut be added to KDE apps, as is the case in Mozilla apps? I will file a bug at the place that you suggest, Shachar. Thanks. Directionality is meaningless unless the application stores it somehow. This means that the application needs to be able to tell what direction to apply to each text control. I don't know QT nearly well enough to answer this completely, so treat everything I say as a basis for discussion rather than as a firm recommendation. As far as I can tell, a text control should have one of three modes: Left to right Right to left Content controlled (typically - first strict directional character of line determines direction) Also, each control should have the option to have each line of separate directionality, or the entire control of one directionality. As far as what should be done, this depends on the application. If kate is a pure text editor, with no allowances in the file format for meta data, then it should probably be in the third form (content control). A word processor should definitely control explicitly each line, and set the paragraph explicitly. A browser should set the URL line explicitly to left to right, and so on. Just my 2 euro cents. Shachar P.s. Herouth is her first name = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program -> disk -> running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Dotan Cohen wrote: I put it there to parse incorrectly-encoded replies on mailing lists, which helps me refine the http://gibberish.co.il website. Love it! It's "gibberish cookies" encoding Not the most polite of things to do, but still brilliant. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Quoting Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Herouth Maoz wrote: Or am I missing something here? How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running program -> disk -> running program) if the application is unaware of the directionality? That's not the purpose here, and indeed, the bug description says that explicitly. What is asked here is a way for you to be able to fill a field, and while you type, to view it in the proper direction. An example that comes to mind is a forum, where the user uses plain HTML text fields for input, but knows that the eventual output will be displayed properly (either because it's the default or because there is a control for it in the form), so he wants to be able to see what he types properly. This is just a convenience for the user, and not until you have used it do you realize how very convenient this is. It's supported in the Macintosh since at least the early '90s, and no, the applications themselves do not support this internally nor save the directionality. Herouth To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > P.s. > Herouth is her first name > Sorry, I did not even recognize that as a Hebrew name until not. The "o" and the "h" confused me into not recognizing it. Anyway, I'm sure in the army she was called Maoz by people less nice than me! > Love it! It's "gibberish cookies" encoding > > Not the most polite of things to do, but still brilliant. > Politeness is not my intention in the lines below my name. That's business! Everything above my name, however, is worded for respect and politeness, or so I try. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Herouth Maoz wrote: >> >> Or am I missing something here? > > How will you supply round trip preservation of directionality (running > program -> disk -> running program) if the application is unaware of the > directionality? > I'm not as technically inclined as you, so I may be missing something obvious here, but I think that the application will know which direction because I tell it, via the keyboard shortcut. If it's LTR and I want RTL I hit Ctrl-Alt-X and vice versa. Try it in a Mozilla app. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: installing CentOS without any monitor
What about using a "kickstart server" (web/nfs server that export the ks file) and using the DHCP server to pass the parameter of the "kickstart server" (next-server) to your server ? About the kickstart, the "anakonda" support installation via VNC , so you can use an empty file ( just with VNC parameters ) and without any installation parameters . The installation should continue from the vnc console . - doron Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I have my Dell Optiplex GX270 here with Fedora 7 and I'm thinking to upgrade to CentOS 5.2. I'm planning to format the machine. My only issue: I don't have any monitor to connect to this machine (I don't have a monitor here at all). Most of the servers today gives you the option to connect to a serial port or VNC and do a remote install, but this machine doesn't have any of those capabilities. I can boot from hard disk, floppy, but I cannot setup the BIOS either ... since I don't have a monitor. So what is the best way to install CentOS to this machine "blind"? I thought about creating a kickstart floppy but then I recalled that I cannot feed any parameters to the boot line. I can't use any PXE tricks either since I cannot go into the BIOS screen.. Suggestions? Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Job Offer] Codefidence is looking for embedded/kernel developers
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Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not as technically inclined as you, so I may be missing something obvious here, but I think that the application will know which direction because I tell it, via the keyboard shortcut. If it's LTR and I want RTL I hit Ctrl-Alt-X and vice versa. Try it in a Mozilla app. And what will happen when you save, close your application, and then reload the document? Wouldn't you expect your Ctrl-Alt-X to be remembered? That requires application support, there is no way[1] to do that using the toolkit. Shachar 1- Obviously, there is a way. For example, we can store a hash of the content of the control box along with the directionality override. That will not transfer correctly to another machine, but we can set a p2p network that will distribute it to other clients so it will display correctly on everyone who opts-in to do so. Such a thing is, obviously[2], too ludicrous to be implemented by anyone. 2- Obvious, that is, until you realize this is, almost exactly, what greasemonkey is doing. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
Dotan Cohen wrote: Politeness is not my intention in the lines below my name. There is an old usenet tradition that is still honored by many modern mail clients. If you put a line containing just two dashes and a space (i.e. - "-- "), many mail clients will understand that to mean that that's where the signature begins. As a result, hitting "reply" will not quote it and other nice things. Shachar -- A temporary signature to demonstrate a point = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.
Hi list, for a month already I am experiencing some connectivity issues with Netvision. I have a static IP, a router and a bunch of workstations and vms behind it. flood pinging my internal netwrok gives me good speed and no packet losts. When trying to ping netvision or any outside domain I get 60% packet losts. I called them and they started asking ping this, ping that and when I told them that I was getting the packet losts as befor they started fudding me with: reconfig your router. install windows. call bezeq ( i have adsl) I called bezeq and I got the same sh... , ping this and that. and the same solutions: install windows, we do not support linux I suspect that its all bull...t as this configuration worked for years. Anyhow, I would like to know your opinion. ( and yes I am posting this from the same network) 1. How can I get real support ( I have a business account with netvision and so far I feel is not any advantage) 2. what are the nameservers I should use as forwarders. 3. How can I troubleshoot the issue 4. what other options do you see. Thanks, Meir. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Captain(s) for Publicising Events
Hi all! (To [EMAIL PROTECTED] - sorry that this message is in English, but this is the Linux-IL policy). I've been thinking that may be we need a publicising team or publicising person for publicising events online and offline. Such events include: 1. Haifux - Haifa Linux Club. 2. Telux - Tel Aviv Linux Club. 3. Perl-IL. 4. PHP-IL. 5. Firefox-IL/Mozilla-IL. 6. Software Management/Agile/PG/Joelsters. 7. OSDClubs - Open Source Developers club. 8. More past and present clubs. 9. TAU-Sec. Instead of each publicising its event separately on the various forums, we should concentrate efforts and have it announced on many places. For example, about 20 people came to Firefox-IL, but it's possible many more could have come if there was more publicisty. I also may have not publicised the recent Software Management to which about 8 came and left. Right now we need to publicise in: Whatsup, Linmagazine, Linux-IL, Perl-IL/PHP-IL/Python-IL/Ruby-IL, Hackers-IL, Haifux/Telux/Jerusalemux/etc. various news sites and blogs (use.perl.org, Ynet, NRG, etc.), Facebook, Twitter (?), web forums (including the Nana/Tapuz/Walla/etc. with the god-awful interface), Digg/Reddit/StumbleUpon and who knows what else.[1] So if we can get a few volunteers to be responsible for publicising every event in the right places, we can rock this country! What we need is: 1. People with good English and Hebrew (see http://shlomif.livejournal.com/53966.html ), and willingness to accept criticism and correct it. 2. People who can do the work of sending/posting stuff, optionally using web-services and Perl/Python/etc. scripts. 3. People with enough free time (not much), willingness to help and attitude. I'm tired of doing it all on my own. Yes, I know you're busy and have 80hours/week jobs or alternatively IDF service or K12 school studies, or academic studies or whatever. Right now I'm out of job, but also does a lot of voluntary work on FOSS and on organising events, and also am playing with starting my own (commercial FOSS) startup, which will also be time and attention-consuming. I'm also trying to create a new generation of volunteers for organising FOSS events in Israel. I'll probably put this message on Whatsup.org.il and linmagazine (and maybe other places) where the younger generation seems to prefer. But any comments or any volunteers? If we get [EMAIL PROTECTED] that would be nice, I think. Regards, Shlomi Fish [1] - I know what you're thinking - let's concentrate them all in one place and tell people to subscribe. Well, it's doesn't work like that, and many people appreciate reminders. - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Interview with Ben Collins-Sussman - http://xrl.us/bjn8s The bad thing about hardware is that it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. The good thing about software is that it's consistent: it always does not work, and it always does not work in exactly the same way. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.
My first advice is to lie about the OS. Sadly that's the case. Or tell them you have another pc with windows and you have the same problem. 2nd advice, tell them that you checked at a neigbour and everything is ok. See their reaction on that. 3. Business account, threaten them. You lose money. Assertive, that's the name of the game. For the technical problems, try the following things: 1. reduce mtu to 1400-1450. That's what I was adviced from an expert. 2. When you ping change the size of the packet gradually. the default for ping on linux is 64 bytes. Try to increase it. I bet you will have more packet loss as you increase. 3. Install the program mtr and see exactly where the packet loss occurs. http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ Once you pinpoint where the problem is, you can go to complain. Not sure it will help. I have the same saga with hot. ;-( Hot are even worse, because they don't want to admit. If they say configure the router, ask them what parameters you should reconfigure. If they don't know, ask a superior person. The packet loss is outside the country or in Israel? On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Meir Michanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list, > for a month already I am experiencing some connectivity issues with > Netvision. I have a static IP, a router and a bunch of workstations and vms > behind it. > flood pinging my internal netwrok gives me good speed and no packet losts. > When trying to ping netvision or any outside domain I get 60% packet > losts. > I called them and they started asking ping this, ping that and when I told > them that I was getting the packet losts as befor they started fudding me > with: > reconfig your router. > install windows. > call bezeq ( i have adsl) > I called bezeq and I got the same sh... , ping this and that. and the same > solutions: > install windows, we do not support linux > I suspect that its all bull...t as this configuration worked for years. > Anyhow, I would like to know your opinion. ( and yes I am posting this from > the same network) > > 1. How can I get real support ( I have a business account with netvision > and > so far I feel is not any advantage) > 2. what are the nameservers I should use as forwarders. > 3. How can I troubleshoot the issue > 4. what other options do you see. > > Thanks, > Meir. > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And what will happen when you save, close your application, and then reload > the document? Wouldn't you expect your Ctrl-Alt-X to be remembered? That > requires application support, there is no way[1] to do that using the > toolkit. > No, I wouldn't expect that. It would be nice if the app remembers in what directionality the text was typed, but I don't want to sacrifice to ability to type RTL just because the app won't remember how I typed it. In fact, I want to be able to choose the direction, and not have the app choose it for me. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Re: Please vote for this KDE bidi bug, even if you are not a KDE user
2008/6/30 Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There is an old usenet tradition that is still honored by many modern mail > clients. If you put a line containing just two dashes and a space (i.e. - > "-- "), many mail clients will understand that to mean that that's where the > signature begins. As a result, hitting "reply" will not quote it and other > nice things. > > Shachar > Like this? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
Iglu down?
I'm getting these errors when cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone else experiencing this? """ This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical details of permanent failure: PERM_FAILURE: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14). """ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
