system clock loops
Hi I have a strange problem here: the system clock of my server keeps changing. The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about 1 second apart: 12:13:37 13:25:08 12:13:34 As you can see, the clock occasionally loops back (it keeps in the range 12:13:34-38) and occasionally decides to move about 72 minutes forward. I have already eliminated (that is: killed) ntpd . 'ps auxww |grep ntp' shows nothing. Obviously anything that assumes a steady system clock misbehaves. Any idea what else may play with the system clock? Kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 (14), the current Debian-sarge kernel. -- Tzafrir Cohen | New signature for new address and | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | new homepage | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849755 | Space reserved for other protocols | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:48:01PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Hi > > I have a strange problem here: the system clock of my server keeps > changing. > > The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about > 1 second apart: > > 12:13:37 > 13:25:08 > 12:13:34 > > As you can see, the clock occasionally loops back (it keeps in the range > 12:13:34-38) and occasionally decides to move about 72 minutes forward. > > I have already eliminated (that is: killed) ntpd . 'ps auxww |grep ntp' > shows nothing. > > Obviously anything that assumes a steady system clock misbehaves. > > Any idea what else may play with the system clock? Any cron jobs? -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 01:17:38PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:48:01PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have a strange problem here: the system clock of my server keeps > > changing. > > > > The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about > > 1 second apart: > > > > 12:13:37 > > 13:25:08 > > 12:13:34 > > > > As you can see, the clock occasionally loops back (it keeps in the range > > 12:13:34-38) and occasionally decides to move about 72 minutes forward. > > > > I have already eliminated (that is: killed) ntpd . 'ps auxww |grep ntp' > > shows nothing. > > > > Obviously anything that assumes a steady system clock misbehaves. > > > > Any idea what else may play with the system clock? No special childen to cron/CRON . And besides, it is happens much more often than once a minute. -- Tzafrir Cohen | New signature for new address and | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | new homepage | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849755 | Space reserved for other protocols | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "system clock loops": > The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about > 1 second apart: > > 12:13:37 > 13:25:08 > 12:13:34 >... > > Obviously anything that assumes a steady system clock misbehaves. > > Any idea what else may play with the system clock? > > Kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 (14), the current Debian-sarge kernel. I have seen this sort of nonsense when using AFS or Kerberos, which try to keep their own time, based on bad servers, and force their notion of time on the computer. If that's not your problem (and it most likely isn't), are there any interesting lines in /var/log/messages? Also, what does "hwclock" return? -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Feb 21 2005, 12 Adar I 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |When everything's coming your way, you're http://nadav.harel.org.il |in the wrong lane. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:07:18PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "system clock loops": > > The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about > > 1 second apart: > > > > 12:13:37 > > 13:25:08 > > 12:13:34 > >... > > > > Obviously anything that assumes a steady system clock misbehaves. > > > > Any idea what else may play with the system clock? > > > > Kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 (14), the current Debian-sarge kernel. > > I have seen this sort of nonsense when using AFS or Kerberos, which try to > keep their own time, based on bad servers, and force their notion of time > on the computer. Not here. The computer is an NFS server, though. After many tinkerrings I rebotted the computer to see if it could make the problem go away. It has. For about an hour or so. And again, when it goes to the "future" it seems to have the safe offset of ~ 71:31 (4291 seconds). > > If that's not your problem (and it most likely isn't), are there any > interesting lines in /var/log/messages? Also, what does "hwclock" return? nothing. All's well according to the logs :-( -- Tzafrir Cohen | New signature for new address and | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | new homepage | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] || best ICQ# 16849755 | Space reserved for other protocols | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi I have a strange problem here: the system clock of my server keeps changing. The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about 1 second apart: 12:13:37 13:25:08 12:13:34 As you can see, the clock occasionally loops back (it keeps in the range 12:13:34-38) and occasionally decides to move about 72 minutes forward. OK, this is getting kind of weird... Just yesterday a client of mine asked me to help with a problem with an Asterisk installation running on Xorcom's Rapid (that is debian sarge + asterisk). The problem was that Asterisk seems to just exit for no apperant reason from time to time. Going over the config and logs the only thing I found was that the system time seems to behave in a weird way, it seems that different program have different notion of the system time. e.g.: # init q and # logger "test" will produce syslog entries which are 4 hours apart... Such behaviour can surely explain sidden program shutdown (at least a program that uses timers) I have no idea if this is related, but it sure is strange to hear about a time drift related issue with sarge. In short, I'd really like to hear if anyone has any idea how to resolve this too :-) Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Writing Hebrew with docbook
It would be wonderful if they add something like that to DocBook standard. For now you can use a .css file with "direction: rtl" set in it for your documents. Haggai On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:01:59 +0200, Hillel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Haggai Eran wrote: > > >There is currently no tags in DocBook to support bidi explicitly (as in > >HTML). > >For example, you can easily convert to HTML, and rely on the bidi > >support of the browser > > > Thanks for the help. > > My problem is with the missing dir="rtl" in Docbook/XML to set the > paragraph direction and alignment. This means I have to manually edit > the HTML files. While this is not too hard I think that it's an ugly > solution, that is very hard to maintain. > > While googeling on this I came across this very interesting thread: > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200302/msg00106.html > > It seems the docbook technical committee confronted this issue back in > 2003, and if you follow the thread, you can see they decided a direction > attribute should be added as a common attribute to the docbook DTD. > > I will dig in the documentation some more and if I don't find anything, > I will try and post a message to the docbook mailing list to check what > happened to the attribute. > > Regards, > > Hillel. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Haggai Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
Tzafrir, Gilad It sounds to me like a case of a very sick realtime clock - maybe the motherboard is sensitive to voltage fluctuations - i think the clock might be a vco Are you using ntpd? If not - I would try running ntpd and see if the problem goes away Danny Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi I have a strange problem here: the system clock of my server keeps changing. The following is from the output of 'date' run from the same shell about 1 second apart: 12:13:37 13:25:08 12:13:34 As you can see, the clock occasionally loops back (it keeps in the range 12:13:34-38) and occasionally decides to move about 72 minutes forward. OK, this is getting kind of weird... Just yesterday a client of mine asked me to help with a problem with an Asterisk installation running on Xorcom's Rapid (that is debian sarge + asterisk). The problem was that Asterisk seems to just exit for no apperant reason from time to time. Going over the config and logs the only thing I found was that the system time seems to behave in a weird way, it seems that different program have different notion of the system time. e.g.: # init q and # logger "test" will produce syslog entries which are 4 hours apart... Such behaviour can surely explain sidden program shutdown (at least a program that uses timers) I have no idea if this is related, but it sure is strange to hear about a time drift related issue with sarge. In short, I'd really like to hear if anyone has any idea how to resolve this too :-) Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Danny Lieberman Visit us at http://www.software.co.il Office + 972 8 970-1485 Cell + 972 54 447-1114 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Writing Hebrew with docbook
Haggai Eran wrote: It would be wonderful if they add something like that to DocBook standard. For now you can use a .css file with "direction: rtl" set in it for your documents. As I found out, the dir attribute was added to Docbook DTD as from version 4.3. It appears that the docbook xsl's do not support it right. I opened a bug report here: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1145448&group_id=21935&atid=373747 Hope they will get to it sometime soon ;-). Hillel. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnucash today at the technion
Hi, I just can't understand how you place such a great lecture informing 2 days ahead. You could place one of the C lectures to fill that hole. If someone forgot, one of the goals - to introduce linux and linux abilities to the public. Knowning the economic market and mostly the HESBONAUT field these pepole are not easy to accept a new wave, so this lecture MUST had at least 2-3 WEEKS of good marketing and publicity. It's pity that the vision of the linux comunity is not guiding the lectures schedule and it's trends. Yours, Ron.
Re: system clock loops
On Monday 21 February 2005 15:51, Danny Lieberman wrote: > It sounds to me like a case of a very sick realtime clock - maybe the > motherboard is sensitive to voltage fluctuations - i think the clock > might be a vco The RTC has nothing to do with kernel time after boot. It is only used to initialize the kernel internal clock which is updated by the PIC interrupts (And there isn't an "Uninterrupt" which can swing the "jiffies" counter backwards :-) > Are you using ntpd? If not - I would try running ntpd and see if the > problem goes away ntpd won't sync a clock when the offset is large. However, doing a one time ntpdate(8) may give us more information. Regretfully, it does look like a severe kernel/glibc bug. -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 He who sacrifices functionality for ease of use Loses both and deserves neither = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnucash today at the technion
Shalom ron. Let me begin by denoting that haifux@haifux.org is the proper place for discussing the Haifux club activities, as not all Haifux members are also members of linux-il. Specifically, for discussions about scheduling lectures, the correct address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, ronira wrote: > Hi, > > I just can't understand how you place such a great lecture informing 2 days > ahead. > > You could place one of the C lectures to fill that hole. The hole was created because I an unable to give the C lecture intended for today. Therefore, your solution is not applicable. > If someone forgot, one of the goals - to introduce linux and linux abilities > to > the public. Knowning the economic market and mostly the HESBONAUT field > these pepole are not easy to accept a new wave, so this lecture MUST had at > least 2-3 > WEEKS of good marketing and publicity. > > It's pity that the vision of the linux comunity is not guiding the lectures > schedule and it's trends. > > Yours, > Ron. You are of course welcome to help me in the PR for haifux. Any help is welcome in that aspect. For example, you could incorporate haifux's RSS feed about new lecture. The RSS feed is updated every time there is a change in the schedule. http://haifux.org/rss2file Lecture offers, which are guided by the vision of the linux community, are also welcome, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope you will still manage to come to Oron's lecture, which I am certain will be very good, as all his lectures are. Orna. -- Orna Agmon http://haifux.org/~ladypine/ ICQ: 348759096 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
Oron Thanks - i just learned something. :-) This is Debian right? Would have thought it would be a widely reported issue. It smells like a combination of hardware and kernel related to APIC The P5 has a local APIC and an I/O APIC for interrupts on SMP - so I assume there is a kernel patch to use APIC interrupts since only the P6 enables software control of APIC. Maybe it's an issue related to using SMP and a P6 with 2 hyperthreaded processors. This is pure speculation - I'm not at Oron's level of understanding . danny Oron Peled wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 15:51, Danny Lieberman wrote: It sounds to me like a case of a very sick realtime clock - maybe the motherboard is sensitive to voltage fluctuations - i think the clock might be a vco The RTC has nothing to do with kernel time after boot. It is only used to initialize the kernel internal clock which is updated by the PIC interrupts (And there isn't an "Uninterrupt" which can swing the "jiffies" counter backwards :-) Are you using ntpd? If not - I would try running ntpd and see if the problem goes away ntpd won't sync a clock when the offset is large. However, doing a one time ntpdate(8) may give us more information. Regretfully, it does look like a severe kernel/glibc bug. -- Danny Lieberman Visit us at http://www.software.co.il Office + 972 8 970-1485 Cell + 972 54 447-1114 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
An aqueintence of mine sent me this link and I believe I haven't seen it refrenced in linux-il. This has to be the killer distribution dealing with the one market that made the net revolution happen... Maybe we can put a mirror in hamakor ;) http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ p.s. Haven't installed it yet so this might be a hoax - installation warstories (and screenshots ;) ) will be welcome... regards - -- Peace Love and Penguins - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
I installed it ;-). No seriously... Only few people I know would use such a depraved installation. Lessee how many: Errr... Ok, One. Hmmm, two, actually. No - three. Um - maybe slightly more. Well, not more than eight. Maximum fourteen. Marc In more seriousness - this is not a real distrib if I can read correctly. Lior Kesos wrote: An aqueintence of mine sent me this link and I believe I haven't seen it refrenced in linux-il. This has to be the killer distribution dealing with the one market that made the net revolution happen... Maybe we can put a mirror in hamakor ;) http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ p.s. Haven't installed it yet so this might be a hoax - installation warstories (and screenshots ;) ) will be welcome... regards - = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: system clock loops
I had a similar problem with the system clock and I used chronyd to fix it. http://chrony.sunsite.dk/faq.php#question_2.1 It also supposed to slew the clock to the right setting instead of just changing it. Regards, tzahi. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oron Peled > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:43 PM > To: Danny Lieberman > Cc: Gilad Ben-Yossef; Tzafrir Cohen; Linux-Israel list > Subject: Re: system clock loops > > > On Monday 21 February 2005 15:51, Danny Lieberman wrote: > > It sounds to me like a case of a very sick realtime clock - > maybe the > > motherboard is sensitive to voltage fluctuations - i think > the clock > > might be a vco > > The RTC has nothing to do with kernel time after boot. It is > only used to initialize the kernel internal clock which is > updated by the PIC interrupts (And there isn't an > "Uninterrupt" which can swing the "jiffies" counter backwards :-) > > > Are you using ntpd? If not - I would try running ntpd and > see if the > > problem goes away > > ntpd won't sync a clock when the offset is large. However, > doing a one time ntpdate(8) may give us more information. > > Regretfully, it does look like a severe kernel/glibc bug. > > -- > Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron > ICQ UIN: 16527398 > > He who sacrifices functionality for ease of use > Loses both and deserves neither > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
ביום שני, 21 בפברואר 2005, 17:30, נכתב על ידי Marc A. Volovic: > I installed it ;-). I did about 4 years ago, did not work then. :( > No seriously... Only few people I know would use such a depraved > installation. Lessee how many: > > Errr... Ok, One. Hmmm, two, actually. No - three. Um - maybe > slightly more. Well, not more than eight. Maximum fourteen. > > Marc > > In more seriousness - this is not a real distrib if I can read correctly. > > Lior Kesos wrote: > >An aqueintence of mine sent me this link and I believe I haven't seen > >it refrenced in linux-il. > >This has to be the killer distribution dealing with the one market > >that made the net revolution happen... > >Maybe we can put a mirror in hamakor ;) -- diego, kde-il translation team, http://www.kde.org/il Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spare Parts for GiveAway/Auction
Hi, I wanna get rid myself off a few stuff most of it for free on the first one gets it basis but some for some misely payback this offer fades at 25.2, dont ask me for anything after that date Sun SparcStation 20, 50Mhz, 256MB External CD for the SUN (SCSI) Sun display converter for VGA Router SOHO MiniHub Router 806 x2 128mb IRman Motorola External Wireless thingie (USB) Dlink Wireless RS232-2-IP ( Connects to serial from one side and RJ/ip from the other for remote network console ) Linksys Access point Technics Reciver AGP/PCI/ISA Display cards (mostly ATI) SCSI 1/2/UW (Adaptec/Advansys) SB128 Intel/3com/kingston/dlink/cme/ne200 network adapters Lexmark and Hp690 printers Network Cables Cat5 1/3/5/10/20m Also various cables (SCSI 60/80,LPT,RS232,RCA,SVID,COAX) UPS for 3 pc/vga with dry batteries I think this covers my load of shit... Contact me if you need something Baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
I haven't yet "installed" this "distribution", but I would be very dissappointed if members of this list were making fun of people on the basis of sexual orientation. That is simply not ok. Michael On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Marc A. Volovic wrote: I installed it ;-). No seriously... Only few people I know would use such a depraved installation. Lessee how many: Errr... Ok, One. Hmmm, two, actually. No - three. Um - maybe slightly more. Well, not more than eight. Maximum fourteen. Marc In more seriousness - this is not a real distrib if I can read correctly. Lior Kesos wrote: An aqueintence of mine sent me this link and I believe I haven't seen it refrenced in linux-il. This has to be the killer distribution dealing with the one market that made the net revolution happen... Maybe we can put a mirror in hamakor ;) http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ p.s. Haven't installed it yet so this might be a hoax - installation warstories (and screenshots ;) ) will be welcome... regards - = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet "installed" this "distribution", but I would be very dissappointed if members of this list were making fun of people on the basis of sexual orientation. That is simply not ok. Michael [snip] Seriousity is something to be laughed at. ( F. Zapa ) -- Moshe Leibovitch Tel: +(972)-0546-48-44-11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I S R A E L = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Announcing basic support for "SK Music Slider" cellphone
Hi, BitPim (www.bitpim.org) is a program that communicates with cellphones of various models (powered by GTK+, wxWindows, Python). I added basic support for reading the phonebook out of the phone, which is useful for backing it up. My changes are now in CVS, and if anyone is interested in helping out or using whatever is there, well, it's there. Other SK Slider models should be pretty similar to this one, I think, so if any of you have one of those, and would like to support it, my work could be a good starting point. -- "Necessity may be the mother of invention but coffee is the fuel." - seen on web.archive.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] The mother (and yound sister) of all distros...
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Moish wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't yet "installed" this "distribution", but I would be very dissappointed if members of this list were making fun of people on the basis of sexual orientation. That is simply not ok. Michael [snip] Seriousity is something to be laughed at. ( F. Zapa ) Very true. I had missed the "Seriousity" of the letter. :-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: system clock loops
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > After many tinkerrings I rebotted the computer to see if it could make > the problem go away. It has. For about an hour or so. please check that all your fans are working properly and there's no over-heating. it smells to me like a hardware problem (not a bug - a problem). on the other hand - i'm on a constant cold, so my smelling abilities are questionable ;) -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
