Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

Ira,

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 08:10, Ira Abramov wrote:
> indeed you should have. when my current prepaid year is up I intend to
> make it VERY clear to them that I do not intend to pay more for the
> service that was so far built-in. afterall my machine is online 24/7,
> what difference does it make if it is a fixed IP or a long lease? either
> way I am always occupying an IP address, may as well be a fixed one.

You obviously know nothing about economics. :-)

The reason they charge more for a fixed IP is the same reason dogs leak their 
genitals: because they can.  Or to put it in "economic" terms: because people 
are willing to pay extra for it. It has nothing to do with the their cost.

Gilad

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Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP

[Yonah Russ]

Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Yonah Russ, from the post of Mon, 03 May:
 

they wanted me to pay 200- I complained and they lowered it to 150. I 
should have complained more.
   

indeed you should have. when my current prepaid year is up I intend to
make it VERY clear to them that I do not intend to pay more for the
service that was so far built-in. afterall my machine is online 24/7,
what difference does it make if it is a fixed IP or a long lease? either
way I am always occupying an IP address, may as well be a fixed one.
 

unfortunately they called me the night before my prepaid year was up- it 
was either get cut off the next morning and shop around for an ISP with 
a better deal, or pay up and stay connected :(
yonah

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Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP

[Yonah Russ]

Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Ira,
On Tuesday 04 May 2004 08:10, Ira Abramov wrote:
 

indeed you should have. when my current prepaid year is up I intend to
make it VERY clear to them that I do not intend to pay more for the
service that was so far built-in. afterall my machine is online 24/7,
what difference does it make if it is a fixed IP or a long lease? either
way I am always occupying an IP address, may as well be a fixed one.
   

You obviously know nothing about economics. :-)
The reason they charge more for a fixed IP is the same reason dogs leak their 
genitals: because they can.  Or to put it in "economic" terms: because people 
are willing to pay extra for it. It has nothing to do with the their cost.
 

This is possible- on the other hand they might be running out of static 
IP's to give out. Either way, the real question is do any other ISP's 
even offer static IP's and if so, for how much?

yonah
Gilad
 

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portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[linux-il]

Hello,
I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program 
for both
Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET etc.

I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure 
that I saw
a more specialised library which I can't find now.

The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. prompt 
for a text
input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under 
Linux (debian
unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.

Does anyone can recommand anything?
Thanks,
--Amos

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Eli Marmor]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program
> for both
> Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET etc.
> 
> I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure
> that I saw
> a more specialised library which I can't find now.
> 
> The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. prompt
> for a text
> input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under
> Linux (debian
> unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.
> 
> Does anyone can recommand anything?

If Apache's APR is not an overkill for you, take a look at it.

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RE: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[shany pozin]

You can use ACE
http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE-overview.html
which is both open source and portable
Shany
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Subject: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:35:54 +0300
Hello,
I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program for 
both
Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET etc.

I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure that 
I saw
a more specialised library which I can't find now.

The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. prompt 
for a text
input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under Linux 
(debian
unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.

Does anyone can recommand anything?
Thanks,
--Amos

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[linux-il]

Thanks for the pointer. I know ACE already and it seems to be the exact 
opposite
of what I need:

1. C++ (not C). I would have preffered to write in C++ but it would bloat
the final executable too much as far as I can tell.  Also I'm not sure 
how well
mingw32 handles cross-compiling C++ code.
2. It's HUGE and all-encompassing (it provides portable process control,
theads , CORBA, inter-process communications, portable mmap() and god
knows what else they added since I last played with it (and I'm giving God a
large chunk of credit here :)).
3. Since I plan to ask people to run this program (it's a test program) 
on their
machines for me I'd like to keep things as simple as possible so they 
can audit
my code if they don't trust me or my programming abilities. From my 
experience
with ACE simplicity is not its strongest point.

All I need is to open a UDP socket and send/receive less than ten 
packets, then exit.
No privileged stuff. No need to access the disk no fancy threads, nothing.
I expect my C program (if written just for Linux) to be less than 500 
lines long.

But thanks anyway.
Cheers,
--amos
shany pozin wrote:
You can use ACE
http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE-overview.html
which is both open source and portable
Shany
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 14:35:54 +0300
Hello,
I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program 
for both
Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET 
etc.

I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure 
that I saw
a more specialised library which I can't find now.

The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. 
prompt for a text
input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under 
Linux (debian
unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.

Does anyone can recommand anything?
Thanks,
--Amos


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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Idan Sofer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program 
for both
Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET 
etc.
Perhaps SDL_net?
http://jcatki.no-ip.org/SDL_net/
I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure 
that I saw
a more specialised library which I can't find now.

The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. 
prompt for a text
input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under 
Linux (debian
unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.

Does anyone can recommand anything?
Thanks,
--Amos

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Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP

[Boaz Rymland]

I've followed this thread since it matters me for the same reason it 
does to you.

Why did they gave it for no charge earlier ? maybe they still had free 
static's to give but all other ISPs did charge. In comparison to them 
they could have charge without any doubts.

I called them to learn of their fixed IP policy. I spoken to a "new 
customers" representative (not an existing-customer representative). She 
told me that she cant tell for sure that existing customers keep or 
loose their fixed IPs (that is - free of charge of course) when their 
contract is over, BUT new customers DO get a free static IP. So maybe 
it's a matter of pressure on them and/or flexebility of the customer to 
switch ISPs or at least prepare for such moves until you get the "real" 
sales guy who (hopefully) offers you to stay, with your fixed IP. Donno.

What else can be done?
Boaz.
Yonah Russ wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
Quoting Yonah Russ, from the post of Mon, 03 May:
 

they wanted me to pay 200- I complained and they lowered it to 150. 
I should have complained more.
  

indeed you should have. when my current prepaid year is up I intend to
make it VERY clear to them that I do not intend to pay more for the
service that was so far built-in. afterall my machine is online 24/7,
what difference does it make if it is a fixed IP or a long lease? either
way I am always occupying an IP address, may as well be a fixed one.
 

unfortunately they called me the night before my prepaid year was up- 
it was either get cut off the next morning and shop around for an ISP 
with a better deal, or pay up and stay connected :(
yonah

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Omer Zak]

On Tue, 4 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 3. Since I plan to ask people to run this program (it's a test program)
> on their
> machines for me I'd like to keep things as simple as possible so they
> can audit
> my code if they don't trust me or my programming abilities. From my
> experience
> with ACE simplicity is not its strongest point.
>
> All I need is to open a UDP socket and send/receive less than ten
> packets, then exit.
> No privileged stuff. No need to access the disk no fancy threads, nothing.
> I expect my C program (if written just for Linux) to be less than 500
> lines long.

If you can ask people to install Perl or Python on their computers, then
why not use the thread libraries from those languages to do the actual UDP
transmission/reception stuff, with your C program only creating/analyzing
the actual packet data?
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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Oded Arbel]

בTuesday 04 May 2004 15:15, נכתב על ידי [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Thanks for the pointer. I know ACE already and it seems to be the exact
> opposite

> >> I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program
> >> for both
> >> Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET
> >> etc.

Check netwib and OSSP sa. 
Also the Kannel open source wap gateway has an infrastructures library (gwlib) 
that has a simple and useful network abstraction layer. one time in the past 
when I needed a quick something from gwlib, I ripped just that part out of 
gwlib and it was relativly painless as there are very few cross dependencies 
between the parts of gwlib.

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[linux-il]

Omer Zak wrote:
If you can ask people to install Perl or Python on their computers, then
why not use the thread libraries from those languages to do the actual UDP
transmission/reception stuff, with your C program only creating/analyzing
the actual packet data?
 

No, I can't ask people to install python or perl (or Java, which would 
have made things
far easier for me). They are far too heavy for this task and I hope to 
get help from non-geeks
(just "click here to download this exe, then execute it through a cmd 
window, please").
(Why would I need threads for a simple program? Or did you mean "net 
libraries"?)

There is no analysis involved, at least not on the client side. Just 
send/recieve some UDP
packets (the recieve part is just a nicety, to help me correlate results 
from multiple servers,
but I should be able to manage even without it).

Thanks,
--amos

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[linux-il]

Idan Sofer wrote:
Perhaps SDL_net?
http://jcatki.no-ip.org/SDL_net/
Oh yes. This rings a familiar sound.
Any experience with using it with a cross-compiler?
Thanks,
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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Ehud Karni]

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> I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program
> for both
> Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET etc.
> [snip] ...  possible to develop and compile under Linux (debian
> unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.

Compile it with Cygwin on Windoze and you are done (you may have to
use different #include, but that's all).

Notes.

1. You'll have to add the cygwin1.dll to your program distribution.
2. If you give it to "public" users, it must be GPLed (you'll have
   to supply sources both for your program and the cygwin1.dll).

Nit-picking: remember to use `htonl/s' and `ntohl/s' if you want
your program to be portable to big endian processors.

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[linux-il]

Ehud Karni wrote:
Compile it with Cygwin on Windoze and you are done (you may have to
use different #include, but that's all).
Notes.
1. You'll have to add the cygwin1.dll to your program distribution.
 

Can I use the "-static" gcc flag to contain cygwin1.dll inside the 
single exe I want to provide?
(it's not quite clear from "man gcc").

2. If you give it to "public" users, it must be GPLed (you'll have
  to supply sources both for your program and the cygwin1.dll).
 

That's not a problem. It's just a test and I plan to provide the sources 
anyway
so testers can see for themself if there are any back doors or other 
problems with it.

(If the test goes well, I plan a larger GPL'ed project based on the 
results).

Nit-picking: remember to use `htonl/s' and `ntohl/s' if you want
your program to be portable to big endian processors.
 

I already do. I can't imagine myself writing network code with them :)
Thanks for the pointer. So far this seems the easiest way to get what I want
(if I manage to create a single stand-alone executable).
Cheers,
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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Shlomi Fish]

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 14:35, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am looking for an easier way to program a simple UDP socket program
> for both
> Windows and Linux than using "#ifdef __WIN32__" and typedefing SOCKET etc.
>
> I found SFL (http://freshmeat.net/projects/sfl/) but I am pretty sure
> that I saw
> a more specialised library which I can't find now.
>
> The program I write must be small, have a console interface (i.e. prompt
> for a text
> input on a console window) and possible to develop and compile under
> Linux (debian
> unstable). I use mingw32 to produce win32 binaries.
>
> Does anyone can recommand anything?
>

Besides what other people here have suggested, there's also NSPR - the 
Netscape Portable Runtime:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

> Thanks,
>
> --Amos
>
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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

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No you can not, But it is only 1 file about 1.3 MB.

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Games for Linux

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

Hi Linux-IL,
Are the Linux versions of SimCity 3000 and Quest from Loki z"l comparable
in quality to the MS Windows versions? Where is a good place to buy Linux
games?

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Re: Games for Linux

[Diego Iastrubni]

בTuesday 04 May 2004 15:34, כתבת:
> Hi Linux-IL,
> Are the Linux versions of SimCity 3000 and Quest from Loki z"l comparable
> in quality to the MS Windows versions? Where is a good place to buy Linux
> games?
>
>  - yba
The SimCity was in Mandrake 9.0 games edition. I have heard that it is not BC 
with current SW (libstdc++, glibc, kernel, ntpl, i dont know). 

Do test (somehow) the package before spending money on it (since it will not 
go somewhere important, Loki are dead you know).

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Re: [OT] ISPs and fixed IP

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef, from the post of Tue, 04 May:
> 
> The reason they charge more for a fixed IP is the same reason dogs
> leak their genitals: because they can.  Or to put it in "economic"
> terms: because people are willing to pay extra for it. It has nothing
> to do with the their cost.

I know that, and for that reason I'm not going to pay extra. I will be
very happy to pay extra for anything that indeed COSTS, not for this.
For this same reason I refuse to subscribe to cable TV to channels I
don't need, nor pay or commit to Partner communications for an upgrade
to a phone that costs them peanuts and my monthly bills pay for quite
sufficiently as it is. It is both my right and my duty to tell vendors
in their face what I think of their pricing scheme when it changes and
"vote with my feet" if the need arrises.

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Re: Games for Linux

[Noam Rathaus]

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 18:34, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> Hi Linux-IL,
> Are the Linux versions of SimCity 3000 and Quest from Loki z"l comparable
> in quality to the MS Windows versions? Where is a good place to buy Linux
> games?
>
>  - yba
Hi,

I had some good experience with WineX (http://www.transgaming.com/) if you 
want to run Windows based games on your Linux machine. It runs a lot of 
games, has some issues with them (mainly movie displaying issues and MS's 
DirectPlay issues). But it generally works :)

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Re: Bandwidth consumption limit/measure

[Noam Rathaus]

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 09:41, you wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2004, Tal Achituv wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Is there any way to measure and or limit the monthly bandwidth on a box?
>
> Hi Tal,
> To measure the bandwidth I use ntop and to limit bandwidth I use tc with
> the HTB. Note you can also prioritize both your egress and ingress traffic
> too.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Tal.
Hi,

Could you elaborate a bit more how you integrated ntop, tc and HTB?

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Re: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[guy keren]

On Tue, 4 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 3. Since I plan to ask people to run this program (it's a test program)
> on their
> machines for me I'd like to keep things as simple as possible so they
> can audit
> my code if they don't trust me or my programming abilities. From my
> experience
> with ACE simplicity is not its strongest point.
>
> All I need is to open a UDP socket and send/receive less than ten
> packets, then exit.
> No privileged stuff. No need to access the disk no fancy threads, nothing.
> I expect my C program (if written just for Linux) to be less than 500
> lines long.

we we needed to write (TCP) socket programs porable between windows and
unix, we found that this can be done with very few #ifdef-s. mostly with
getting the last error (errno Vs. WSAGetLastError), and the winsock
initialization/cleanup required by windows.

i _Assume_ the same can be down with UDP - so just write yourself 2-3
macros to hide the #ifdefs, and write the program in plain C, using the
native socket libraries of your different platforms.

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guy

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 or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy

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RE: portable socket libraries? (linux/windows, c)

[Hyams Iftach]

In it can be a good idea to write your own #ifdef
or #defines or wrapping functions. It is quiet similar
(I wrote a complex UDP application that compiles on 4
different OS's so contact me privately for details).
The differences are in some types, errors and IOCTL's.


 Note that Windows 2000 has a bug (!) number Q263823
when using UDP so you need service pack >= 2 to be
installed + extra code to fix it.
 In addition you need to do some 'startup' calls to
enable sockets.


  Iftach



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Governments spending on IT

[linux-il]

According to the Walla article at:
http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/3/538997
The government has agreed on spending 470 Million NIS on projects
"Merkava" and "Memshal Zamin".
With all the talks about OpenOffice, MS licenses vs. Linux etc. - does 
anyone
here have thoughs on the effect of such spending on the ISraeli OpenSource
industry?

I understand that most of the badget will go to places like IBM or 
Matrix, but still
it should create demand for OpenSource skills in many tiers around it, 
shouldn't it?

--Amos

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