mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread erez
hi

I've downloaded mozilla 1.3b and enabled the junk mail controls etc ..
i'm marking messages as junk for 2 weeks now, but the junk filter does 
not seem to work
as no messages was moved to the junk folder, nor any line in the log.

I tryed reading the FAQ but the part of the junk mail is empty

anyone ?

cheers,
erez.
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Re: 2nd_MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]

2003-02-23 Thread Baruch Shpirer
Title: Re: 2nd_MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]







Now to my stuff :

1.)  I got some old sb16 cards and even older isa cards

2.)  3/4x x4speed scsi cdroms

3.)  Some surveillance video card with 5 RCA inputs and one S-Video ( it supports low resolution 320x240 for closed TV systems as to what I remember )

4.)  2x SMC network cards - both ISA non_PnP , never could get them going in Linux

5.)  2x PCMCIA good network cards ( 3com )

6.) lotsa old-to-current games/appz/os/mp3 cds - ill try to build up a list but it sums up to about 250 cds - if you had something and want it back just ask me

For some weird reason I prob have it stacked somewhere - iam dumping them all in the end so...

If anyone who wants one of this items can spare some Linux recognized isa nic card , it would be great

Thanks

Baruch Shpirer

Windows/*nix System & Network Admin.

Mobile +972-67-777167

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Re: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Eran Mann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi

I've downloaded mozilla 1.3b and enabled the junk mail controls etc ..
i'm marking messages as junk for 2 weeks now, but the junk filter does 
not seem to work
as no messages was moved to the junk folder, nor any line in the log.

I tryed reading the FAQ but the part of the junk mail is empty

anyone ?

cheers,
erez.
Does mozilla mark *some* messages as junk?
For me it works to a certain degree - it marks messages as junk (but 
still misses some, though I've been "training" it since 1.3a...) but 
doesn't move them to Junk folder by itself. You can still avoid seeing 
them by setting your "view" to "Not Junk"..
Logging doesn't seem to work for me either.

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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003, Oron Peled wrote about "Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?":
> Obviously! This also point to a bad habbit:
>   Daniel you have '.' in your path!!!

It's not necessarily a bad habbit... Once upon a time, this was considered
good practice for non-root users.

But calling your programs "test" is indeed a bad habbit :) I've seen more
than one person bit by this.

> Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path
> as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security.

You are scaring the newbies :)

Let's make one thing clear: this advice comes from the days of multi-user
Unix machines, not of personal Linux machines. In the scary scenario, a
superuser might cd to some user's directory (hopefully for some legitimate
reason), run "ls", and, lo and behold - the user might have a "ls" program
in his own directory formatting the disk (or adding a backdoor, or whatever).

On a machine used by a single person, it doesn't matter what your path is.
If someone already cracked your machine to insert a program, he could probably
do whatever he wants anyway.

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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?":
> > > Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path
> > > as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security.
> > Only on systems which (might) have malicious users. Not relevant for
> > home computers.
> It is not entirely unlikely that home computers will be penetrated or
> compromised while being connected to the Internet. It is still a bad idea
> there.

One quite unlikely scenario in which you can indeed benefit from not having
'.' in your path: someone broke into an account which doesn't belong to a
real user (say, httpd) and is unable to upgrade to superuser, so he puts an
"ls" in some directory he can write (e.g., /tmp) and hopes the superuser
will accidentally run it. Or perhaps a normal user runs it, and then the
trojan can modify his setup (add an 'su' alias or program, etc.) to steal
the superuser password.

Some people might consider this risk serious enough to change the path.
I don't, usually. There are plenty of other, more serious, risks.

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Re: MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]

2003-02-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Nahum Greenberg, from the post of Sat, 22 Feb:
> Couldn't resist the temptation: I am looking for a DB9 Mac mouse for my
> trusty Macintosh 512k. Willing to trade for some really good stuff and/or
> cash.

I have one for you, but I would not part of it very soon, as it's
working perfectly with my Apple //c, and the hundreds of software
floppies I have for it :)

if anyone can lend me the hardware/software needed  to hook up my Apple
//c and/or Apple ///+ (or is that "Apple ]I[+" ?) to my Linux and suck
in floppy images for the emulators, I'll be extremely greatfull!

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Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.

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Re: Hebrew with mutt

2003-02-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003, Eli Segal wrote about "Re: Hebrew with mutt":
> When I use less as describe .. how can i reply or view the attachments ???

When you use an external pager with mutt, you have to finish viewing the
current message first ("q" in less), and then you are returned to mutt,
where you can press the normal commands: "r"eply or "v"iew attachments.

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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin


Oron Peled wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:03:42 +0200
Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:14:44PM +0200, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

You get a clean compile/link, but running test does nothing!
 A name space collision with bash's internal command?


Obviously! This also point to a bad habbit:
Daniel you have '.' in your path!!!
True, but only on a regular user account, never as root.

Otherwise you couldn't run programs from an arbitrary current
directory just by typing their name and you would get used to:
./test
which always runs what you want (you can try other fun names
like ./cd ./set ./if etc.)
Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path
as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security.

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Re: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Yeah. It doesn't work. Period. I've been using 1.3b since it became 
available.

BUT: I have manually set up a junk folder, and I'm accumalating all the 
"jiffa" there in the hope that when they fix it (1.3c?) I can slam the 
contents of junk as such and have the junk control working without a 
learning period.

DAF

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I've downloaded mozilla 1.3b and enabled the junk mail controls etc ..
i'm marking messages as junk for 2 weeks now, but the junk filter does 
not seem to work
as no messages was moved to the junk folder, nor any line in the log.

I tryed reading the FAQ but the part of the junk mail is empty

anyone ?

cheers,
erez.
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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Oh, silly me!

It was indeed a  name space thing. Enter ./test and it all works.
Yuk.
Thanks all. I suppose I'd better pthread_join(...) or finish up as the 
list zombie ...

Daniel



Daniel Feiglin wrote:
Has anyone come across this:

1. Environment: SuSE 8.1 as is, kernel 2.4.19 and gcc 3.2
2. Build the cannonical "Hello, world!" programme,
gcc -ohello hello.c
Everything fine.
3. cp hello shalom  and then shalom
Everything fine.
4. ln -s hello bonjour and then bonjour
Everything fine.
Now for the fun: (What follows is true also for the SuSE supplied Pth 
1.4.0)
1. Build, test and install the new GNU Pth 2.0.0 threads library (Mine 
goes to /usr, not /usr/local)
2. Open a C project and copy the Pth socket example files, test_httpd.c, 
 test_common.c and h.
3. gcc -Wall -g -otest test_httpd.c test_common.c -lpth
You get a clean compile/link, but running test does nothing!
But wait for it ...
ddd test (or gdb) and the silly thing works perfectly!

Scratch, scratch.
4. gcc -Wall -g -otest_httpd test_httpd.c test_common.h -lpth
Again, a clean compile/link and this time running it as test_httpd gives 
the required results!

Scratch, scratch again.
5. cp test_httpd test and then test. It fails! Uh?
6. ln -s test_httpd test0 and then test0. It fails. Screwy.
Does anyone have any ideas? A Pth thing? A dynamic library hangup?

Cheers,

Daniel

PS STFW didn't produce anything. Could have looked in the wrong places.



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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Oh, silly me!

It was indeed a  name space thing. Enter ./test and it all works.
Yuk.
Thanks all. I suppose I'd better pthread_join(...) or finish up as the
list zombie ...
Daniel



Daniel Feiglin wrote:
Has anyone come across this:

1. Environment: SuSE 8.1 as is, kernel 2.4.19 and gcc 3.2
2. Build the cannonical "Hello, world!" programme,
gcc -ohello hello.c
Everything fine.
3. cp hello shalom  and then shalom
Everything fine.
4. ln -s hello bonjour and then bonjour
Everything fine.
Now for the fun: (What follows is true also for the SuSE supplied Pth 
1.4.0)
1. Build, test and install the new GNU Pth 2.0.0 threads library (Mine 
goes to /usr, not /usr/local)
2. Open a C project and copy the Pth socket example files, test_httpd.c, 
 test_common.c and h.
3. gcc -Wall -g -otest test_httpd.c test_common.c -lpth
You get a clean compile/link, but running test does nothing!
But wait for it ...
ddd test (or gdb) and the silly thing works perfectly!

Scratch, scratch.
4. gcc -Wall -g -otest_httpd test_httpd.c test_common.h -lpth
Again, a clean compile/link and this time running it as test_httpd gives 
the required results!

Scratch, scratch again.
5. cp test_httpd test and then test. It fails! Uh?
6. ln -s test_httpd test0 and then test0. It fails. Screwy.
Does anyone have any ideas? A Pth thing? A dynamic library hangup?

Cheers,

Daniel

PS STFW didn't produce anything. Could have looked in the wrong places.



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RE: best free POP/IMAP mailbox

2003-02-23 Thread Tzahi Fadida
If you are consindering money you may consider using a forwarding service.
IIRC netforwarding.com is 10$.


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> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:51 AM
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> Subject: RE: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
> 
> 
> 
> This one is best for me:
> 
> sdf.lonestar.org (or iceland.freeshell.org)
> 1$ single payment for account validation
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> 15Mb mail, 15Mb gopher, 15Mb web, 15Mb home
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> 
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> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alon Altman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: OT: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
> >
> > Hi,
> >   I'm looking for a free mailbox for my dad. I would like advice if any
> > of you know of a free email service with good uptime, no ads,
> > high message size limit (if any), and large mailbox that supports either
> > POP or IMAP (preferably both) and has a good track of being available
> > and free (so they won't suddenly disappear or demand ransom) 
> >
> >   The best option I've found up to now is to order a $1.5 per day ADSL
> > account in Barak-online and use it only for email. Is there a
> > good service that I don't have to give a credit-card number for?
> >
> >   Alon
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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin


Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003, Oron Peled wrote about "Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?":

Obviously! This also point to a bad habbit:
Daniel you have '.' in your path!!!


It's not necessarily a bad habbit... Once upon a time, this was considered
good practice for non-root users.
But calling your programs "test" is indeed a bad habbit :) I've seen more
than one person bit by this.

Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path
as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security.


You are scaring the newbies :)
This point also occurred to me - but then most newbies would be using a 
GUI like Gnome or KDE, so the issue would rarely if ever arise. It is 
really a commandline thing.

DAF

Let's make one thing clear: this advice comes from the days of multi-user
Unix machines, not of personal Linux machines. In the scary scenario, a
superuser might cd to some user's directory (hopefully for some legitimate
reason), run "ls", and, lo and behold - the user might have a "ls" program
in his own directory formatting the disk (or adding a backdoor, or whatever).
On a machine used by a single person, it doesn't matter what your path is.
If someone already cracked your machine to insert a program, he could probably
do whatever he wants anyway.


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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-23, Daniel Feiglin wrote:

> This point also occurred to me - but then most newbies would be using a
> GUI like Gnome or KDE, so the issue would rarely if ever arise. It is
> really a commandline thing.
>
If they use a GUI, they have no reason in the world to have '.' in thier
path - it's only useful for saving few keystrokes on the commandline and
can somtimes bite if you are not careful.

Aside from security, it can also confuse scripts when you run them in a
directory containing a program named the same as some system program the
script uses.

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programs.  The computer of a good hacker knows what his mind would do if
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RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread linux_il
> -Original Message-
> From: Beni Cherniavsky 
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?
>
> Aside from security, it can also confuse scripts when you run 
> them in a
> directory containing a program named the same as some system 
> program the
> script uses.

Rule #1 for script writing - never EVER relay on $PATH, better reset the
path
to a known value if you can and if you have the patience lookup individual
command full paths at the beginning. I think there are already tools and
standard "script libraries" to do that for you.

Of course you are going to jump and say that scripts can't guess the right
value for PATH, but that depends on the situation - if it's a global script
then usually
it should relay on globally available programs anyway. If it's something
"local for
the group" or something then even more so it can know which components
should
go in the path.  Even if you are writing the script for your own private use
I still
recommand that you set the PATH because you never know what's going to be in
it (e.g. scripts invoked via ssh and such or other situations where the
"normal" path
settings do not happen).

--Amos

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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Aside from security, it can also confuse scripts when you run them in a
> directory containing a program named the same as some system program the
> script uses.

That will be a problem with the script. In scripts, it is a good idea
to use absolute paths in any case. There are too many ways you can
confuse the system regarding an executable: different set or order of
directories in PATH, functions, aliases...

I don't think any sane distro adds "." to PATH by default. I do use
command line, and I do add "$HOME/bin:." to PATH, but for my regular
user only, never for root, and at the very end of PATH. As paranoid as
I am, I think it is OK security-wise because any resulting damage will
be limited to what a regular user can do. I've never been bitten yet,
but that's because I don't name files "test" and I use full paths in
scripts. ;-)

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RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Beni Cherniavsky
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?
> >
> > Aside from security, it can also confuse scripts when you run
> > them in a
> > directory containing a program named the same as some system
> > program the
> > script uses.
>
> Rule #1 for script writing - never EVER relay on $PATH, better reset the
> path to a known value if you can and if you have the patience lookup
> individual command full paths at the beginning. I think there are
> already tools and standard "script libraries" to do that for you.
>
> Of course you are going to jump and say that scripts can't guess the
> right value for PATH, but that depends on the situation - if it's a
> global script then usually it should relay on globally available
> programs anyway. If it's something "local for the group" or something
> then even more so it can know which components should go in the path.
> Even if you are writing the script for your own private use I still
> recommand that you set the PATH because you never know what's going to
> be in it (e.g. scripts invoked via ssh and such or other situations
> where the "normal" path settings do not happen).
>
Good advice.  Indeed a quick grep of scripts in /usr/bin shows most reset
the path.  I was refering to my own ~/bin scripts and shell aliases where
I'm too lazy to do it.  Perhaps I'm wrong but PATH is intended to avoid
typing the full pathes, not to bring the need back.

On a second thought, having '.' in the *end* of the path is almost safe.
Not that I'd use it anyway, I'm typing dotslash automatically now :-).

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Hebrew fonts on the web (was: Re: Mazal Tov! (fonts))

2003-02-23 Thread Diego Iastrubni
I saw the article on whatsup I think, and started to d/l fonts and install 
them. Both on RH8.0 and MDK9.0.

Somehow most of the fonts were not usable in kde3/gtk(1/2).
I did not investigate it too much, as all I saw were squares.

In rh I put the fotns in ~/.fonts.
In mdk I did ttmkfdir - fonts.dir; chkcfontpath --add `pwd` and edited 
/etc/X11/Xftconfig


Any one else tested?

- diego
ביום ראשון 23 פברואר 2003, 09:51, Ira Abramov כתב:
> Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb:
> > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote:
> > > indeed, I see they added a few more fonts and renamed them. if memory
> > > served they used to call them differently before.
> >
> > Your memory doesn't serve you right, I figure...
>
> /usr/share/doc/culmus/changelog.gz on Debian:
>
> "Font family Dror has been renamed to Frank Ruehl to maintain consistency
> with common conventions."
>
> "Hasida family discontinued in favor of Miriam Mono."
>
> there were a few changes, as I see :)
>
> I just want to be calm about the font designs' ownerships, and that the
> copyrighters do allow the use of the designs and names in a GPL package.
>
> I don't surf much in Israeli sites, but people tell me there are a lot
> of free decorative TTFs for DL, anyone knows any good ones that are also
> Free? well, even if they don't come with a source, at least ones that
> permit redistribution and unrestricted use (e.g. in a commercial
> environmrnt). Until we get the big bodies to release fonts Libre, I'd
> like to find a few more Gratis, unlimited-use ones.


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RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread linux_il
> -Original Message-
> From: Beni Cherniavsky 
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:54 PM
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?
>
> Good advice.  Indeed a quick grep of scripts in /usr/bin 
> shows most reset
> the path.  I was refering to my own ~/bin scripts and shell 
> aliases where
> I'm too lazy to do it.  Perhaps I'm wrong but PATH is 
> intended to avoid
> typing the full pathes, not to bring the need back.

You are right - but once you set the $PATH you can relay on it and use
"relative" program names.  Or what many (more "robust") scripts do is to
lookup the individual programs and set a script variable for each one of
them
(e.g. "$AWK = lookup(awk)" then use $AWK everywhere in the script).

As for laziness - it might cause you a headache one day when your
environment
changes or you want to copy it over to somewhere else, better maintain it
now.

> On a second thought, having '.' in the *end* of the path is 
> almost safe.

I'd say it's pretty safe, but I still wouldn't put it in the root path.

> Not that I'd use it anyway, I'm typing dotslash automatically now :-).

Me too :). I just noticed that I don't have '.' in my path, I was sure I
have it
as I always had. Damn habits

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Problem with apache.

2003-02-23 Thread Josh Roden
Title: Problem with apache.





I receive the following in the browser window when I tried to submit an excercise thru our site at hadassah:


    Internal Server Error
    The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. 
    Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything 

    you might have done that may have caused the error.
    More information about this error may be available in the server error log. 


    Apache/1.3.22 Server at tux.cs.hadassah-col.ac.il Port 80


In /etc/httpd/logs/error_log I get:
    [error] CGI open of tmpfile: Permission denied


I anybody has any suggestions I would like to hear them.
Thanks,
Josh.





RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Alex Shnitman
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 14:54, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:

> On a second thought, having '.' in the *end* of the path is almost safe.

Still, if you want to be completely safe, you shouldn't do even that --
I bet you sometimes type e.g. "ls-l" or "l s-l", and these typos can be
taken advantage of just as the real commands.


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Re: Problem with apache.

2003-02-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003, Josh Roden wrote about "Problem with apache.":
> I receive the following in the browser window when I tried to submit an
> excercise thru our site at hadassah:
>
>   Internal Server Error

Indeed looks like an error on the server - there's nothing you (as a user)
can do about it. Try to complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
your local computer-center attache.

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graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Shamir Adi
I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
for the right way to do that.

I don't need any user interface but I do need it to be
fast with 24bit of color deapth, and resolution of at
least 640x480 (preferable 1024x768).

I'm current familiar with Xlib (which is not good
because it is slow) and svgalib (which is ok for me).

Any other recommendations?

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Re: Problem with apache.

2003-02-23 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 17:00, Josh Roden wrote:
> I receive the following in the browser window when I tried to submit an
> excercise thru our site at hadassah:
> 
>   Internal Server Error
>   The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
> unable to complete your request. 
>   Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform
> them of the time the error occurred, and anything 
>   you might have done that may have caused the error.
>   More information about this error may be available in the server
> error log. 
> 
>   Apache/1.3.22 Server at tux.cs.hadassah-col.ac.il Port 80
> 
> In /etc/httpd/logs/error_log I get:
>   [error] CGI open of tmpfile: Permission denied
> 
> I anybody has any suggestions I would like to hear them.

Your CGI script is trying to open a file (named "tmpfile") and it does
not have permission to do so. This is most likely because the Apache
server runs (as it should be) as the user "nobody" that has no write
permissions anywhere on the system for security reasons.

There are many ways to "solve" this situation, most of them (like
changing the user the Apache server runs as or giving "nobody" blind
permissions to write anywhere in the CGI directory) are wrong.

I think you need to get a good book on CGI scripts.

Cheers,
Gilad.
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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Eliran Gonen
Shamir Adi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
> I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
> for the right way to do that.
> 
> Any other recommendations?

OpenGL ?

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RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-23, Alex Shnitman wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 14:54, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
>
> > On a second thought, having '.' in the *end* of the path is almost safe.
>
> Still, if you want to be completely safe, you shouldn't do even that --
> I bet you sometimes type e.g. "ls-l" or "l s-l", and these typos can be
> taken advantage of just as the real commands.
>
I work on a home computer and I'm not that paranoid but to prevent my own
mistakes I take the more predictible aproach ["In the face of ambiguity,
refuse the temptation to guess." -- The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters] and
don't have '.' even in my user's path.  Thank's for everybody's concern in
any case ;-).

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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Eliran Gonen, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb:
> Shamir Adi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
> > I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
> > for the right way to do that.
> > 
> > Any other recommendations?
> 
> OpenGL ?

or work directly with the hardware acceleration of the video card, there
are drivers for MGA (Matrox), ATI, nVidia and others, but I'm not aware
of a standard library like DirectX in Linux as of yet. there are several
way to do direct-rendering developed by SGI and others (but I don't
remember any of the names at the moment), and they should DEFINITELY be
faster than both SVGAlib and plain X11. look for DRI in the kernel and
on the web.

btw, any relation to Adi Shamir of the RSA algorithm? :)

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RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: Beni Cherniavsky
> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:54 PM
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Problem with Pth or make or what?
> >
> > Good advice.  Indeed a quick grep of scripts in /usr/bin shows most
> > reset the path.  I was refering to my own ~/bin scripts and shell
> > aliases where I'm too lazy to do it.  Perhaps I'm wrong but PATH is
> > intended to avoid typing the full pathes, not to bring the need back.
>
> You are right - but once you set the $PATH you can relay on it and use
> "relative" program names.  Or what many (more "robust") scripts do is to
> lookup the individual programs and set a script variable for each one of
> them (e.g. "$AWK = lookup(awk)" then use $AWK everywhere in the script).
>
> As for laziness - it might cause you a headache one day when your
> environment changes or you want to copy it over to somewhere else,
> better maintain it now.
>
[OT] I wonder what was Plan9's answer to this problem.  They have cool
many-to-one "union mounts", so you don't have a PATH environment variable
at all, everything you need is mapped into /bin (plan9 also has
per-process mounts).  So there is about zero chance to know exactly where
to lookup trustable programs, it's designed assuming you setup it
sensibly.  But then plan9 has no suid bits, IIRC, so the security dangers
are smaller.

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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
On Sunday 23 February 2003 17:00, Shamir Adi wrote:

Adi Shamir from the encryption stuff?

> I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
> for the right way to do that.

2D? 3D? with or without a graphics toolkit? with what language?

> I don't need any user interface but I do need it to be
> fast with 24bit of color deapth, and resolution of at
> least 640x480 (preferable 1024x768).

SDLlib could be a good way, but I need more details about what you aim to..

Thanks,
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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-23, Shamir Adi wrote:

> I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
> for the right way to do that.
>
> I don't need any user interface but I do need it to be
> fast with 24bit of color deapth, and resolution of at
> least 640x480 (preferable 1024x768).
>
> I'm current familiar with Xlib (which is not good
> because it is slow) and svgalib (which is ok for me).
>
> Any other recommendations?
>
SDL - http://www.libsdl.org

It's also cross-platform.  It's probably already installed on your linux.

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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Shamir Adi wrote:

> I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
> for the right way to do that.
> 
> I don't need any user interface but I do need it to be
> fast with 24bit of color deapth, and resolution of at
> least 640x480 (preferable 1024x768).
> 
> I'm current familiar with Xlib (which is not good
> because it is slow) and svgalib (which is ok for me).

Talking about "Graphics speed" is meaningless. The speed depends on what
you actually do:

If you want to draw random pixels, svgalib is probably
faster, since it lets you write directly to video memory without context
switch, or even function call overhead.

If you render images to memory and want to copy them to video memory,
both svgalib and X will do it in the same speed (video ram or PCI/AGP is
the bottleneck). X might have the advantage here of doing the copy with
DMA, allowing the CPU to do something else meanwhile.

Svgalib is usually easier to program, but again, it depends on what you 
want to do. 

In addition to Xlib and svgalib, you might also check DGA, GGI, Allegro,
directfb.


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Re: graphics programming (more details)

2003-02-23 Thread Shamir Adi
Sorry, I forgot the little things...

What I want to do is 2D graphics. A good example of
what I want are (but not limited to) fractals.

The language is C/C++.

No 3D, no UI, no work with image files (jpg, gif etc.)

And no connection to the famous Adi Shamir either...

Thanks for the comments until now.
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Re[2]: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Evgeny Stambulchik
Daniel Feiglin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Yeah. It doesn't work. Period. I've been using 1.3b since it became 
>  available.

Hmm. It works for me nicely since 1.3a - both the filtering/self-training and
autosave to a junk folder (the last one appeared in 1.3b). Has been working much
more reliably than SpamAssasin after a couple of weeks of training (I get dozens
of spams a day).

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Re: Problem with apache.

2003-02-23 Thread Meir Michanie
hi Josh, 
if the script is trying to write or create a file make sure that the
directory is owned by the same user and/or group  that apache is
running.
to see whats the user that apache is using look at
/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf

if the directory where the script is trying to write a file is
/var/www/html/tmp

do: ls -l /var/www/html/ 
make sure that it is owned by the user that is running apache, i.e.:

chown apache.apache /var/www/html/
chmod g+w
chmod u+w
or 
chown root.apache /var/www/html/
chmod g+w
chmod u+w

yours, Meir.
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 17:00, Josh Roden wrote:
> I receive the following in the browser window when I tried to submit an
> excercise thru our site at hadassah:
> 
>   Internal Server Error
>   The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
> unable to complete your request. 
>   Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform
> them of the time the error occurred, and anything 
>   you might have done that may have caused the error.
>   More information about this error may be available in the server
> error log. 
> 
>   Apache/1.3.22 Server at tux.cs.hadassah-col.ac.il Port 80
> 
> In /etc/httpd/logs/error_log I get:
>   [error] CGI open of tmpfile: Permission denied
> 
> I anybody has any suggestions I would like to hear them.
> Thanks,
> Josh.
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Re: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin
The filtering has worked OK since way back. I could not get the self 
training thing to work. Nothing gets automoved to junk. I wonder if I'm 
doing something wrong/missed something? It seemed easy enough to enable.

DAF

Evgeny Stambulchik wrote:
Daniel Feiglin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yeah. It doesn't work. Period. I've been using 1.3b since it became 
available.


Hmm. It works for me nicely since 1.3a - both the filtering/self-training and
autosave to a junk folder (the last one appeared in 1.3b). Has been working much
more reliably than SpamAssasin after a couple of weeks of training (I get dozens
of spams a day).
Regards,

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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ira Abramov wrote:

Quoting Eliran Gonen, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb:
 

Shamir Adi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
   

I want to code graphics under Linux and I'm searching
for the right way to do that.
Any other recommendations?
 

OpenGL ?
   

or work directly with the hardware acceleration of the video card, there
are drivers for MGA (Matrox), ATI, nVidia and others, but I'm not aware
of a standard library like DirectX in Linux as of yet.
What's DGA? Isn't that it?

there are several
way to do direct-rendering developed by SGI and others (but I don't
remember any of the names at the moment), and they should DEFINITELY be
faster than both SVGAlib and plain X11. look for DRI in the kernel and
on the web.
btw, any relation to Adi Shamir of the RSA algorithm? :)

 



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RE: 2nd_MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]

2003-02-23 Thread Alon Weinstein
Since this is becoming a main-stream thing to post the list of junk, here's
what I have:

Adaptec PCI SCSI controller (with internal & external connector)
Adaptec ISA SCSI controller (only external connector)
16 port 10Mbit Hub
8 port 10Mbit Hub (w/ one additional BNC port)
1 3Com Etherlink III (3C509B-TPO) ISA NIC
2 Unidentified ISA NICs (w/ BNC & RJ45 connectors)
Realtek PCI NIC (w/ BNC & RJ45 connectors)
an old Cirrus Logic PCI video card
4 IDE CD-ROM drives
IDE DVD drive + PCI MPEG2 decoder card ("Sigma Hollywood II" -- the last
drivers I found were for Windows 98)
PCI ISDN Modem (AVM Fritz)
external ADB Modem for Macintosh

I'm looking for an old 486 -- case, motherboard, processor & 16-32mb ram. no
hard-drive/nic/display adapter needed.


Alon.


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Re: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Daniel Feiglin


Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Daniel Feiglin wrote:


The filtering has worked OK since way back. I could not get the self
training thing to work. Nothing gets automoved to junk. I wonder if I'm
doing something wrong/missed something? It seemed easy enough to enable.


Can you re-send yourself some typical messages from your junk mailbox?
OK. I did three things: I selected everything in junk, used Tools| Mark 
selected  ... as junk and finally, Tools | Run junk mail ... . I then 
re-sent one of the items, which promptly re-appeared in my Inbox (not Junk).

I have other manual filters which divert stuff to Junk which work as 
expected.

By the way, Tools | Junk mail controlls looks reasonable. (I don't junk 
stuff from senders in my Personal Address Book, and for now I have 
automatic deletion of the Junk folder disabled.

That's it.

DAF

If that doesn't filter: can you give he exact details of your mail rules?

(to the list, please)



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Re: 2nd_MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]

2003-02-23 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sun, Feb 23, 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote about "RE: 2nd_MORE [was: Equipment - 
anyone?]":
> Since this is becoming a main-stream thing to post the list of junk, here's
> what I have:

Yes, this list is turning into a regular alte-zachen :)

Your junk seems quite useful, actually:

> 16 port 10Mbit Hub
> 8 port 10Mbit Hub (w/ one additional BNC port)

These, assuming they have modern UTP ports, are probably quite useful
for home network. Unless you're playing movies over this network, 10Mbps
is more than enough.

> 4 IDE CD-ROM drives

These are useful for the mp3-playing machine I suggested last time :) You
could make yourself a jukebox!

> I'm looking for an old 486 -- case, motherboard, processor & 16-32mb ram. no
> hard-drive/nic/display adapter needed.

I might have something like that (a Pentium 100, actually), but if I give
it to you, what will I do with all the CD-ROM drives and cards you'll give
me? :)

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Re: graphics programming (more details)

2003-02-23 Thread Voguemaster
I myself would go bltting a 2D image using OpenGL. Assuming of
course you actually need fast block transfers, which I'm almost
sure you don't.
Well, you do, for smoother animation, but that's diferent (in order
to do double buffering).
However, fractals and other parametric generated graphics can be done
in any of the APIs.
Eli

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:50:29 -0800 (PST), Shamir Adi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Sorry, I forgot the little things...

What I want to do is 2D graphics. A good example of
what I want are (but not limited to) fractals.
The language is C/C++.

No 3D, no UI, no work with image files (jpg, gif etc.)

And no connection to the famous Adi Shamir either...

Thanks for the comments until now.
Adi.
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Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?

2003-02-23 Thread Oron Peled
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 00:52:22 +0200 (IST)
Matan Ziv-Av <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Oron Peled wrote:
> 
> > Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path
> > as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security.
> 
> Only on systems which (might) have malicious users. Not relevant for 
> home computers.

What I pointed was bad *habbit* used by a person (computers don't
have habbits yet ;-)

Even if we assume there is no security issue with home system
(and some replies refuted this), the same user may later administer
a multiuser Linux server. He would almost certainly carry his
habbits with him, as he is used to running 'foo' from current
dir and have it working "automatically" without the need for
the "cumbersome" ./foo

As I pointed out this habbit have two negative effects:
- For any user it has the potential to create confusion
  with builtins, aliases, functions, normal system commands.
  This was the case I was answering about.
- I used the opportunity to warn about the dangers to root
  because I see in many places administrators which are
  unaware about it. Happily, Daniel replied that he doesn't
  put '.' in path on his root account, so at least he is
  immune to the second issue (but not the first)

You'll be amazed how many times people name a script/program without
being aware it is used by someone. Anybody who relies on his memory
is optimistic:
ls `echo $PATH | sed 's/:/ /g'` | wc -l
4164

Any hope to remember ~4k commands on this PATH so you don't use
any duplicates? And I didn't count shell builtins...

And don't you say "but '.' is first on my PATH". How many time we
source scripts (e.g: in /etc/profile.d/) which rightfully contains
fragments like:
PATH="/opt/foo/bin:$PATH"

Good habbits are very important in complex environment like Linux/Unix
many of them encapsulate "best practices" learned over the years
the hard way (i.e: clashing with the results of doing it differently).

Phewwwuuu, what a thread. I didn't think it would be hot topic.


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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Oron Peled
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:02:56 +0200
Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but I'm not aware
> of a standard library like DirectX in Linux as of yet.

What? OpenGL (as was mentioned by others) is a *standard library*
in Linux and Unix as well. It's *implementation* really depends
on your video card etc. (BTW: AFAIR, Win-NT and up supports
OpenGL as well [with a big help from SGI]).

As for speed, you may opt to give up X11 and interface directly
to the framebuffer. SDL will be happy to do it for you, and also
OpenGUI will provide a nice portable GUI over framebuffer and OpenGL
interfacing (including in Windows).


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Re: Mystifying makefile error

2003-02-23 Thread Oron Peled
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:24:20 -0800 (PST)
Erez Boym <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, KDevelop created that file. It's created when I
> press MAKE on KDevelop trying to make a CVS version of
> TerraGear.

If you use KDevelop, than from the build menu choose 'Configure'
before you choose 'Make'.

>From the command line it should be obviousely:
./configure
make
make install

(The @blahblah@ in the makefile should be substituted by configure)


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Re: graphics programming (more details)

2003-02-23 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Shamir Adi wrote:

> Sorry, I forgot the little things...
>
> What I want to do is 2D graphics. A good example of
> what I want are (but not limited to) fractals.
>
> The language is C/C++.
>
> No 3D, no UI, no work with image files (jpg, gif etc.)
>

Well for once, you can use the graphics primitives of Gtk+ or Qt or
wxWindows or whatever toolkit is your poison to render things on the
screen and capture them to a file.

Check:

http://www.gtk.org/
http://www.trolltech.com/ (Qt)
http://www.wxwindows.org/ (cross-platform to Windows as well)

Now, you can also work with ImageMagick, GD or whatever, and then simply
draw the images to the screen and/or save them to a file.

The book "Graphics Programming in Perl" gives a nice overview of the
libraries with Perl bindings (most of which are available in C/C++ as
well).

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

 > And no connection to the famous Adi Shamir either...
>
> Thanks for the comments until now.
> Adi.
>
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Re: graphics programming (more details)

2003-02-23 Thread Eli Segal
What you want is exactly what SDL does best .. go for it ..!

- Original Message - 
From: "Shamir Adi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: graphics programming (more details)


> Sorry, I forgot the little things...
> 
> What I want to do is 2D graphics. A good example of
> what I want are (but not limited to) fractals.
> 
> The language is C/C++.
> 
> No 3D, no UI, no work with image files (jpg, gif etc.)
> 
> And no connection to the famous Adi Shamir either...
> 
> Thanks for the comments until now.
> Adi.
> 
> 
> __
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> Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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GDM lockup

2003-02-23 Thread Eli Segal
since I installed my new woody
I get a strange lockup once in awhile and it always happens when I'm in the
GDM login screen

yesterday I had to reboot from the button twice !!

has anyone heard of that ?? what can i do ??


Eli


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shell on XEmacs

2003-02-23 Thread Eli Segal
In the shell of EMacs it doesn't translate the color and stuff and all i see
(let say from ls) is a lot of garbish ..like ]]2~


how can I fix it ???

thnx
Eli


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Re: mozilla and junk mail

2003-02-23 Thread Evgeny Stambulchik
Daniel Feiglin wrote:

The filtering has worked OK since way back. I could not get the self 
training thing to work. Nothing gets automoved to junk. I wonder if I'm 
doing something wrong/missed something? It seemed easy enough to enable.
Well, Tools->Junk Mail Controls and enable the relevant options... Don't 
think you missed it. One more thing: my incoming folder resides on an IMAP 
server. May be there is a difference with local spool/mail.

Regards,

Evgeny

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Re: graphics programming

2003-02-23 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Oron Peled, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb:
> > but I'm not aware
> > of a standard library like DirectX in Linux as of yet.
> 
> What? OpenGL (as was mentioned by others) is a *standard library*

for 3D rendering, the guy was looking for:
1. fast, direct hardware access (not OpenGL's main thing)
2. 2D

OpenGL has nothing to do with either. it can interface with DRI, but its
main function is to standardize the manipulation of 3D graphics, in
theory, do it fast as well.

for instance, mplayer, xine and the rest can use x11 (xlib), xinerama,
XV and other extensions, I have yet to see a media player try to use
OpenGL for 2D rendering or acceleration.

now Mr. (or Ms.?) Shamir wants to do Fractals, which are heavy in CPU
time or even FPU time. the speed of hardware access is actually
negligable. I would render it to memory as the fastest option (and most
versatile) and only copy it to the graphic interface on occasion, in a
separate thread (every few hundred pixels calculated) for better
performance. (YMMV)


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