RE: Cheap Linux Machine [Was: MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]]
> > Speaking of such- anyone know a good place to grab a low cost used > computer (PII or P3) to run linux on? My parent's computer just died, > and they need a machine (which I will administrator), but > their budget > is way low... > I am in Herzlia, so something in the area would be good. We've had great success with buying a new low-end Celeron machines. Whenever we need a new Linux testing machine, or a Linux desktop for non-developers, we go to our computer store and assemble the lowest-level Celeron machine possible. Last time we did this, the total was 2000NIS, and remember you get LOTS of memory (which is cheap nowadays), nice processor speed (1GHZ+) and warranty. The only "problematic" parts are hard drives (which are expensive if you buy them new) and accessories such as sound cards, CDROM, etc. If you can get those used, you would probably be able to go way below 2000NIS for a new computer. - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rotal ADSL USB modem driver
Hi Hetz, Using your howto at http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/adsl-usb-howto.txt I was able to set up a USB ADSL Modem ALE 070 for friends. However, using the ECI driver snapshot you link to at http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/usb-adsl-cvs.tar.gz, the modem disconnected every 60 seconds. Using the latest userspace development driver from http://eciadsl.sourceforge.net/, the problem disappeared. FYI. -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling a single kernel module
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 07:12:27PM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 07:01:36PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: > > > I believe it worked for me in the past. However today I have tried it > > with some other module and got: > > > > kernel-source-2.4.20$ make SUBDIRS=drivers/pnp modules > > gcc -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o > > scripts/split-include scripts/split-include.c > > make: *** No rule to make target `include/linux/autoconf.h', needed by > > `include/config/MARKER'. Stop. > > Your kernel is not configured. You need to run 'make oldconfig', and > maybe also 'make dep'. Depends on the version, but is harmless if not > needed so you can do it anyway. At the time I thought that replacing 'make oldconfig' with 'make menuconfig' will just let me have a nicer way to do it. Yet with 'make menuconfig' it doesn't work while with 'make oldconfig' it does. Just to point out for people who don't compile a kernel regularly that there seems to me more subtle differences between oldconfig and menuconfig other then the way they look. Another option, which probably does much more but is suitable for those who insists on using Debian's make-kpkg tool is make-kpkg configure. I also didn't want to bypass the make files and gcc directly as Diego Iastrubni has suggested. It is too error prone unless you know what you are doing; seems less portable to other modules, and to similar tasks in the future. Of course if you do it regularly from time to time or know what you are doing then it is different, but this is not the case for me. I agree that this decision is a matter of taste. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rotal ADSL USB modem driver
you add luck. I once setup up a machine, and it did not recognize the modem. lsub showed the modem. linux drivers sux. - diego בשבת 22 פברואר 2003, 15:52, Muli Ben-Yehuda כתב: > Hi Hetz, > > Using your howto at http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/adsl-usb-howto.txt > I was able to set up a USB ADSL Modem ALE 070 for friends. However, > using the ECI driver snapshot you link to at > http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/usb-adsl-cvs.tar.gz, the modem > disconnected every 60 seconds. Using the latest userspace development > driver from http://eciadsl.sourceforge.net/, the problem > disappeared. FYI. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rotal ADSL USB modem driver
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > you add luck. I once setup up a machine, and it did not recognize the modem. > > lsub showed the modem. > > linux drivers sux. > What do you mean by that? I believe that Linux (and UNIX in general) device drivers are much more sensible than Windows' ones. (or at least what they used to be). In Linux most device drivers are either character devices or block devices, which are regular files, that can be easily implemented. Writing a device driver in the kernel or in a kernel module (or both from the same codebase) only requires registering a few callbacks - it's so easy it hurts. This leaves you plenty of time to work on interfacing with the hardware which is the really hard part. I think network devices (lo, eth0, etc.) are a bit less straightforward but they are also OK. Now in Windows it used to be much messier (at least at a time when Linux was easy in the first place). The interface was a mess, and much more complicated. Windows NT drivers required handling 16-bit unicode, while Win95 ones were partially 16-bit code. And you could not work with them in userland like normal files (and still can't). Very, very stupid design. The fact that some Linux drivers suck, does not imply that there's something wrong with Linux or Linux device drivers in general. It is not entirely impossible that Windows drivers that are shipped for Windows will suck. It's a matter of how much effort the vendor or developer of the Linux or Windows driver puts in QAing them. Regards, Shlomi Fish > - diego > ???©???× 22 ?¤???¨?¨ 2003, 15:52, Muli Ben-Yehuda ???×??: > > Hi Hetz, > > > > Using your howto at http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/adsl-usb-howto.txt > > I was able to set up a USB ADSL Modem ALE 070 for friends. However, > > using the ECI driver snapshot you link to at > > http://www.penguin.org.il/~hetz/usb-adsl-cvs.tar.gz, the modem > > disconnected every 60 seconds. Using the latest userspace development > > driver from http://eciadsl.sourceforge.net/, the problem > > disappeared. FYI. > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rotal ADSL USB modem driver
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 05:20:03PM +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > you add luck. I once setup up a machine, and it did not recognize > the modem. Neither did this one, until I performed the correct incantations. Did you? it required reading the HOWTO, the TROUBLESHOOTING and some head scratching. > lsub showed the modem. > > linux drivers sux. Companies who don't release documentation suck. People who complain = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rotal ADSL USB modem driver
בשבת 22 פברואר 2003, 17:43, Muli Ben-Yehuda כתב: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 05:20:03PM +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > > you add luck. I once setup up a machine, and it did not recognize > > the modem. > > Neither did this one, until I performed the correct incantations. Did > you? it required reading the HOWTO, the TROUBLESHOOTING and some head > scratching. > > > lsub showed the modem. > > > > linux drivers sux. > > Companies who don't release documentation suck. People who complain yes, that s really a problem. But sometimes drivers have patents, and there is not real way to release full open source. I found that problem when I used a winmodem. I could buy a full h/w but it cost much more. Anyway what I mean in the last post, was that the release cycles of linux drivers, are many times too slow and contain more bugs. While in windows you can most times have a back up driver (windows original, in case of video cards chipset drivers or company drivers), here you have only one driver. Many times linux drivers are bad, not compile, and just dont work, but again this happens in windows too. I wish There were more tested binaries drivers, at least for big distros (rh, mdk, suse etc). A thing which is not always available. This is the fault of h/w designers, who not only do not distribute the specs for the dh/w, not do not even distrubute a working binarie driver. BTW: Marc, how about Hurd? have you tested it? How will be the status of drivers there? - diego To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
Hi, I'm looking for a free mailbox for my dad. I would like advice if any of you know of a free email service with good uptime, no ads, high message size limit (if any), and large mailbox that supports either POP or IMAP (preferably both) and has a good track of being available and free (so they won't suddenly disappear or demand ransom). The best option I've found up to now is to order a $1.5 per day ADSL account in Barak-online and use it only for email. Is there a good service that I don't have to give a credit-card number for? Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- Next to being shot at and missed, nothing is really quite as satisfying as an income tax refund. -- F. J. Raymond = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: need tool for high quality typesetting, unicode-capable
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003, Matitiahu Allouche wrote about "Re: need tool for high quality typesetting, unicode-capable": > Nadav Har'El wrote: > P.S. The niqqud-less versions of their site looks beautiful in > Mozilla. > Unfortunately, the ones with niqqud look horrible, because Mozilla renders > those on the side, not below the letters. Does anybody on this list knows >.. > As far as I remember, the problem is not entirely (or maybe at all) with > the Mozilla display engine but with its interaction with fonts. The > solution is to try various fonts until you find one which gives acceptable > results. I am now writing offline, but I seem to remember that Arial > displays Hebrew vowels correctly, except for the Holam which is too far > from its base letter (according to my taste). I found one font (from those > distributed with Windows) which displayed all vowels nicely, but I don't > remember which :-( Can anybody else confirm this? Was anybody able to view Niqqud correctly on Mozilla? For an example, try it on Genesis 1: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0101.htm How do I configure my fonts (and which fonts should I used) for this to work? Does it work with Culmus fonts? What will it take to correct the fonts and/or Mozilla for this to work for all fonts? -- Nadav Har'El|Saturday, Feb 22 2003, 21 Adar I 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |A conscience does not prevent sin. It http://nadav.harel.org.il |only prevents you from enjoying it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mystifying makefile error
Hi Running Make I get an error which I am unable to resolve, the error is: Makefile:164: *** missing separator. Stop. The error is produced by a makefile on the following line : @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ any ideas on what the problem mite be ? This snip is several line before and after the faulty line I hope it'll help SNIP clean-noinstPROGRAMS: -test -z "$(noinst_PROGRAMS)" || rm -f $(noinst_PROGRAMS) testarray$(EXEEXT): $(testarray_OBJECTS) $(testarray_DEPENDENCIES) @rm -f testarray$(EXEEXT) $(CXXLINK) $(testarray_LDFLAGS) $(testarray_OBJECTS) $(testarray_LDADD) $(LIBS) mostlyclean-compile: -rm -f *.$(OBJEXT) core *.core distclean-compile: -rm -f *.tab.c @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ distclean-depend: -rm -rf $(DEPDIR) cxx.o: @AMDEP_TRUE@source='$<' object='$@' libtool=no @AMDEPBACKSLASH@ @AMDEP_TRUE@depfile='$(DEPDIR)/$*.Po' tmpdepfile='$(DEPDIR)/$*.TPo' @AMDEPBACKSLASH@ @AMDEP_TRUE@$(CXXDEPMODE) $(depcomp) @AMDEPBACKSLASH@ $(CXXCOMPILE) -c -o $@ `test -f $< || echo '$(srcdir)/'`$< SNIP Thanks Erez __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mystifying makefile error
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003, Erez Boym wrote about "Mystifying makefile error": > Hi > > Running Make I get an error which I am unable to > resolve, the error is: > Makefile:164: *** missing separator. Stop. > > line : > @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ > @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ What the heck is that? I think this is some sort of "automake" input file, which you forgot to run "automake". It certainly doesn't have a "makefile" syntax, so no wonder "make" doesn't like it... -- Nadav Har'El|Saturday, Feb 22 2003, 21 Adar I 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Today is the tomorrow you worried about http://nadav.harel.org.il |yesterday, and now you know why. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with automake, KDevelop ...
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:43:22 -0800 (PST) Erez Boym <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We, no but that's exactly what the /autogen.sh script > should have created. Wrong! the configure.in (or configure.ac in newer versions of autoconf) isn't a generated file, it is the input to the autoconf tool. The autogen.sh simply tries to help the maintainer run the different tools in correct order (e.g: aclocal before autoconf) and with correct options. Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron "Emacs is a fine OS, but it lacks a good text editor" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RedHat 8.0 7.3 and qtrans
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:47:38 +0200 David Harel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>So now to the qtrans package. > >>I installed RH7.3 and it still does not compile. What more should I do, > >>install RH5.2?? As Didi already answered you, qtrans isn't maintained for a long time (I know, I used it before and had the same problem you have). It was never ported to KDE-3.0 and contains old KDE-2.0 specific code. So you have 3 options: 1. Use wordtrans as suggested -- the best solution, has several interfaces (command line, qt, kde+panel, etc.), is maintained, has hebrew support for babylon eng->heb dictionaries. 2. Port qtrans from KDE-2.0 to KDE-3.0 (does it worth the effort?) 3. Install KDE-2.0 libs alongside with KDE-3.0 (again, does it worth the effort and maintenance headaches?) Since I had both qtrans and wordtrans installed, my solution was obviously 1. Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron MCSE: Must Consult Someone Experienced = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 18:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Alon Altman wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a free mailbox for my dad. I would like advice if any of you know of a free email service with good uptime, no ads, high message size limit (if any), and large mailbox that supports either POP or IMAP (preferably both) and has a good track of being available and free (so they won't suddenly disappear or demand ransom). I have used http://fastmail.fm for some time and it is good- the IMAP is free, the POP is for pay. There is also http://www.myrealbox.com/ from Novell- as far as I know it is POP only. They use it as demonstrating platform, so it won't disappear anytime soon. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
On 2003-02-22, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > I have used http://fastmail.fm for some time and it is good- the IMAP > is free, the POP is for pay. > There is also http://www.myrealbox.com/ from Novell- as far as I know > it is POP only. They use it as demonstrating platform, so it won't > disappear anytime soon. > Myrealbox does have IMAP (just checked that it works :) and no ads indeed. The only downside being that since it's a test platform, it periodically goes down for about a day, sometimes with short notice (couple of days)... -- Beni Cherniavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Do not feed the Bugzillas. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:03:42 +0200 Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:14:44PM +0200, Daniel Feiglin wrote: > > You get a clean compile/link, but running test does nothing! > A name space collision with bash's internal command? Obviously! This also point to a bad habbit: Daniel you have '.' in your path!!! Otherwise you couldn't run programs from an arbitrary current directory just by typing their name and you would get used to: ./test which always runs what you want (you can try other fun names like ./cd ./set ./if etc.) Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security. Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ..there are two types of command interfaces in the world of computing: good interfaces and user interfaces. - Dan Bernstein, Author of qmail = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
webcam driver
Hi, Anyone know of a linux driver for a USB webcam called "twinklecam"? Windows identifies it as "CIF USB CAMERA 2110". Google search returns nothing of use. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- Let your conscience be your guide. -- Pope = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Oron Peled wrote: > Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path > as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security. Only on systems which (might) have malicious users. Not relevant for home computers. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MORE [was: Equipment - anyone?]
Now my OT: Media for DVD-RAM, new or used, anyone? -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mystifying makefile error
"Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2003, Erez Boym wrote about "Mystifying makefile error": > > Hi > > > > Running Make I get an error which I am unable to > > resolve, the error is: > > Makefile:164: *** missing separator. Stop. > > > > line : > > @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ > > @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ > > What the heck is that? I think this is some sort of "automake" input > file, which you forgot to run "automake". > > It certainly doesn't have a "makefile" syntax, so no wonder "make" doesn't > like it... And if you ever get this error on a real Makefile, most probably it will mean that a rule line does not start with a tab... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with Pth or make or what?
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: > On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Oron Peled wrote: > > > Another related issue. I hope nobody don't use '.' in your path > > as root -- this is suicidal in terms of security. > > Only on systems which (might) have malicious users. Not relevant for > home computers. > It is not entirely unlikely that home computers will be penetrated or compromised while being connected to the Internet. It is still a bad idea there. Regards, Shlomi Fish > > -- > Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., runthe command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mazal Tov! (fonts)
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > indeed, I see they added a few more fonts and renamed them. if memory > served they used to call them differently before. Your memory doesn't serve you right, I figure... The fonts I see in the package are Aharoni, David, FrankRuehl, MiraimMono and Nachlieli . ( see the files list in http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS/fonts-hebrew-0.71-2.noarch.html ) Compare that to http://culmus.sourceforge.net/summary.html Exactly the same. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mystifying makefile error
Hi, Well, KDevelop created that file. It's created when I press MAKE on KDevelop trying to make a CVS version of TerraGear. Any Idea what I can do with that file ? Should I try to run automake manually on that directory alone ? That TerraGear start to remind me M$ programs, I'm trying to compile that program for 3 weeks now and every time it has some new glitches and crazy stuff going on. It's my worst experiance with a Linux source ever. Do you know of a place I can get RedHat rps for TerraGear ? Thanks Erez --- Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 22, 2003, Erez Boym wrote about > "Mystifying makefile error": > > Hi > > > > Running Make I get an error which I am unable to > > resolve, the error is: > > Makefile:164: *** missing separator. Stop. > > > > line : > > @AMDEP_TRUE@@am__include@ > > @[EMAIL PROTECTED](DEPDIR)/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ > > What the heck is that? I think this is some sort of > "automake" input > file, which you forgot to run "automake". > > It certainly doesn't have a "makefile" syntax, so no > wonder "make" doesn't > like it... > > -- > Nadav Har'El|Saturday, > Feb 22 2003, 21 Adar I 5763 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |- > Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Today is the > tomorrow you worried about > http://nadav.harel.org.il |yesterday, and > now you know why. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew with mutt
When I use less as describe .. how can i reply or view the attachments ??? - Original Message - From: "Moshe Kaminsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Hebrew with mutt > Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [17/02/03 22:14]: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003, Eli Segal wrote about "Hebrew with mutt": > > > What Are my option to be able to read and write with mutt client ?? > > > > Here is what I use in my ~/.muttrc. Yes, I know some of these options (in > > particular 'charset') may be the "wrong" options to use, but it works... > > > > # This character set is used on outgoing mail when it contains non-ascii > > # characters. > > set charset="iso-8859-8-i" > > > > # use external pager, and don't prompt after it! > > set noprompt_after > > set pager="bidi_pager" > > > > Where bidi_pager is the following small script: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # I use this as mutt's pager > > exec bidiv "$@" | less -c > > > > This way you lose color. If you use vim, why not > > exec bidiv "$@" | less.sh +"set ft=mail" - > > (less.sh is in $VIMRUNTIME/macros). I wonder, though, if there is a way > to make mutt read commands from vim (so that one can reply etc. from > within vim). > > > (see http://ftp.ivrix.org.il/pub/ivrix/src/cmdline/ for bidiv - or if you > > use Debian, just fetch the "bidiv" package). > > > > This setup will send Hebrew mail as iso-8859-8-i, and will be able to read > > Hebrew mail in either iso-8859-8-i (or the equivalent Windows encoding) or > > UTF8. To actually *edit* Hebrew mail, you'll need to set up your editor > > accordingly; I use vim, with macros to switch direction and language - > > something like > > > > export VIMINIT='map! ESC[24~ ESC:set invhk invrl^Ma > > map ESC[24~ :set invhk invrl' > > (replace ESC by the actual ESCAPE character). > > > > > > -- > > Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Feb 16 2003, 14 Adar I 5763 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- > > Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |"A mathematician is a device for turning > > http://nadav.harel.org.il |coffee into theorems" -- P. Erdos > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: best free POP/IMAP mailbox
This one is best for me: sdf.lonestar.org (or iceland.freeshell.org) 1$ single payment for account validation nearly lifetime account (I have it from 1996, it never failed) 15Mb mail, 15Mb gopher, 15Mb web, 15Mb home limited UNIX shell account (procmail included :) ) telnet/SSH access POP3 mail good access time and long uptimes If you want to add $36 (single payment) you receive guaranteed lifetime 75Mb home/web/gopher/mail and unrestricted UNIX shell and utilities access. More info on http://freeshell.org/index.cgi?donate Enjoy Michael. > -Original Message- > From: Alon Altman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: best free POP/IMAP mailbox > > Hi, > I'm looking for a free mailbox for my dad. I would like advice if any > of you know of a free email service with good uptime, no ads, > high message size limit (if any), and large mailbox that supports either > POP or IMAP (preferably both) and has a good track of being available > and free (so they won't suddenly disappear or demand ransom). > > The best option I've found up to now is to order a $1.5 per day ADSL > account in Barak-online and use it only for email. Is there a > good service that I don't have to give a credit-card number for? > > Alon -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mazal Tov! (fonts)
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb: > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > > > indeed, I see they added a few more fonts and renamed them. if memory > > served they used to call them differently before. > > Your memory doesn't serve you right, I figure... /usr/share/doc/culmus/changelog.gz on Debian: "Font family Dror has been renamed to Frank Ruehl to maintain consistency with common conventions." "Hasida family discontinued in favor of Miriam Mono." there were a few changes, as I see :) I just want to be calm about the font designs' ownerships, and that the copyrighters do allow the use of the designs and names in a GPL package. I don't surf much in Israeli sites, but people tell me there are a lot of free decorative TTFs for DL, anyone knows any good ones that are also Free? well, even if they don't come with a source, at least ones that permit redistribution and unrestricted use (e.g. in a commercial environmrnt). Until we get the big bodies to release fonts Libre, I'd like to find a few more Gratis, unlimited-use ones. -- Can't take no for an answer Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
