Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
Well, I beg to differ. I'm not sure what 4.3.0 did, but the correct behaviour should be that shift-9 produces "open brackets" in left to right languages, and "close brackets" on right to left languages. shift-0 should produce the other one. As far as the engravings go, it is up to the display engine to display open brackets as left brackets in LTR context, and right brackets in RTL context. We can see, then, that we need cooperation of the keyboard layout and the display engine in order to get a consistant and pleasant experience. The situation thus far was not very good in X, but was tolerable. Shift-0 in RTL context produced the wrong key (i.e. - close bracket instead of open bracket), but this was compensated by the fact that the display engine did not know it was supposed to reverse them. This is called, in Technical jargon "Visual Hebrew". I think I don't need to explain to th goers of this forum why this is bad. This still produces problem when files are swapped with saner environments, such as Windows or a palm pilot. Now, finally, someone has taken the first step torwards the correct behaviour. This is a necessary step, and cannot be skipped. I understand that this creates a bit of confusion, and some inconsistancies. Please hang on, we are on our way to better BiDi support than we had so far. If anyone does not understand why the old way is a problem, they are welcome to take a BiDi conforming editor and check it out. Step by step instructions for showing that the old layout is not done correctly: 1. Open Mozilla composer with a blank document. 2. Switch to source mode, and add "dir=rtl" inside the "" tag. 3. Switch back to visual mode, switch the keyboard to Hebrew, and type shift-0 (open bracket, remeber, you are on the right), followed by "ù", followed by "ì", followed by "å", followed by "í", followed by a close bracket (by that time I won't have to tell you which key is intuative for you to press). You will see that the wrong character is displayed, even though, if you view the resulting file with a non-BiDi aware editor, the symbols engraved on the keys are exactly what appears in the file. The reason being that Mozilla correctly reverses the brackets (according to the BiDi algorithm), while your input did not. Now, whether that reversal should be done by the keyboard layout or by the edit control upon input is a different question, and one I find myself a little hard put to answer. Leaving things as they are pre-4.3.0, however, is the worst thing we can do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to concur with that! I though that I missed the line of this discussion because some positions sounded so wierd (mainly stuff like Shift-9 opening braces all the time). Not until this reversing began with KDE have I ever had problems with braces in any language I used on computers and now I keep having to press keys and "see what happens" when I type hebrew in Linux, this is completly rediculous! So please stop this instanity while you can. Thanks. Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. No! shift-9 contains engraving (on the plastic) of *left parenthesis* Under your interpretation it would produce a right parenthesis in hebrew. This is completely insane! -- Shachar Shemesh Open Source integration consultant http://www.consumer.org.il/sun/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
> -Original Message- > From: Shachar Shemesh > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:07 AM > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0 > > > Well, I beg to differ. I suspect the bottom line is the same result, only it sounds like you know this stuff. > > I'm not sure what 4.3.0 did, but the correct behaviour should be that > shift-9 produces "open brackets" in left to right languages, > and "close > brackets" on right to left languages. shift-0 should produce > the other one. I suppose that's a more technically correct way to describe the result I want. So it sounds like so far we actually agree. > > As far as the engravings go, it is up to the display engine > to display > open brackets as left brackets in LTR context, and right > brackets in RTL Ah - that might be the key to our little "disagreement" - the keyboard is supposed to reverse it once and then the display is supposed to reverse things again. As long as the end result is: 1. I press Shift-9 to get a left brace etc... 2. The generated document contains that correct character. 3. The final display is correct (e.g. in some sites I saw braces which kept switching on every edit). then I'd be glad with it, and even more so happier to know we conform to a standard. > context. We can see, then, that we need cooperation of the keyboard > layout and the display engine in order to get a consistant > and pleasant > experience. > > The situation thus far was not very good in X, but was tolerable. > Shift-0 in RTL context produced the wrong key (i.e. - close bracket > instead of open bracket), but this was compensated by the > fact that the > display engine did not know it was supposed to reverse them. This is > called, in Technical jargon "Visual Hebrew". I think I don't need to Again (if I understand this) - you mean that the new way is simply to teach both the keyboad and the display that they are supposed to reverse, right? I can't check your suggested test right now (no desktop Linux at work :-(), it sounds like we agree on the wanted end user experience and that you know what you are talking, so I am relaxed about this now. Cheers, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
> Then we agree: it's a bug in X. > > Who shall report? Please do so. I'm currently rather busy with some other problems (mainly getting everything ready for Qt-3.2) and preparing my visit to Israel beginning of March :) Cheers, Lars = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: burning bin+cue?
k3b new version should support it as well, personaly I really like k3b Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > On Monday 03 February 2003 00:54 am, Ira Abramov wrote: > > I usually burn ISO images, but a friend copied me a cue+bin pair. > > cdrecord's manpage doesn't say anything, nor does grepping the readmes. > > do I just burn the bin file in raw mode? > > Use this: > > http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/ > > Thanks, > Hetz > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: root fs mount options
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:00:32AM +0200, Michael Sternberg wrote:
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Sternberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > How can I tell kernel what mount options to use when mount root fs ("/") ?
> > I have in kernel command line "root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw" and want to use
> > mount option "noatime" for faster access.
>
If no other (simple) way, you can boot with an initrd and mount the real
root there with whatever option you want.
Didi
> Hello
> I hate to answer my own question but the possible solution can be adding
>
> /dev/mtdblock0 / jffs2 noatime,remount 0 0
>
> to /etc/fstab.
> The problem with above is that two instances og JFFS2 garbage
> collectors starts running. `ps` reports:
>
> 8 rootZ N [jffs2_gcd_mtd0]
>20 rootSWN [jffs2_gcd_mtd0]
>
>
> And I can not kill the first zomby process even with SIGKILL.
> Any JFFS2 experts around here ?
> Of course if I could transfer to kernel "noatime" in command line
> this problem would not arise..
>
> Thanks, Michael.
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KDE 3.1 (and 3.0.5a) RPMS for Red Hat& Mandrake
Hi, Few people have asked about those RPMS in the $subject.. For RH 7.3 and 8.0 - go to: http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ - note that you'll need to install apt4rpm to use the APT system to download and install those RPMS.. Mandrake 9 users - go to: ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/KDE-3.1/ Keep in mind, that the Mandrake RPMS are still in the "experimental" state, so you might want to save a copy of your ~/.kde* before upgrading.. Enjoy, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer 0.90 is around the corner
Quoting Ely Levy, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > what was the end in the argument between mplayer's dev > and debian about the license thing? I stopped reading the thread after some point, because everyone were shouting and flaming and not listening to eachother. rough summery: deb-dev: your code implements patents illegally, and you already released in the past GPL code that was illegal to distribute precompiled and other problems (like no runtime CPU detection). gabucino: it's no more illegal than xine which you included in "main", go see for yourself. people are asking me why mplayer isn't, will you add me into the distro, apes? deb-dev: we can't add this legal time-bomb to the main archive, continue this discussion on debian-legal gabucino: you are f&%$^ing pompous, have you even read the GPL? don't you know you are trying to limit my free speech? who needs you anyway? (and so on, it was really rediculous and childlish, sadly) > (I hope they would get GUI to work normaly before 0.90..) 3% chance of that :) -- Almost famous Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25733/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
backup utility
hi all, A customer want to install Oracle Real Application Cluster on Red Had Advanced server. We have a backup problem because the customer uses a windows version of veritas and dont want to spend money on another backup software. we need to backup raw device to tapes on another server. do you know any open source (or free software) we can use (functionality as legato or veritas). its quite important as the customer will install the system on windows if this issue is not resolved. Thanks in advance, and please reply to me direct too as im not in the list. Eyal = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.1 in Debian unstable
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Hetz Ben-Hamo, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > For RH 7.3 and 8.0 - go to: http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/ - note that > > you'll need to install apt4rpm to use the APT system to download and install > > those RPMS.. > > quick note for the impatiant that went and set their sid machine to > point at woody's KDE3.1 on the kde site - KDE3.1 in different packaging > is now in the unstable main branch. the fact it has different packaging > means the version numbers are different (because of use of epochs and > such), and apt will think the rc5/rc6 are newer than 3.1.0. the only > option is to painstakingly remove all the libraries and whatever depends > on them, remove the deb lines from apt so it sees only the main archive, > and install again. lots of manual messy stuff, but that's why you are > using unstable, right? :) There is a better way: Apt can be ordered to give higher priorities to packages from a certain source. If you want to downgrade (like in this case) you'll need to give the kde source a priority of at least 1000 . This can be defined in /etc/apt/preferences . I don't recall the exact syntax... -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Eyal Shani wrote: > Thanks in advance, and please reply to me direct too as im not in the list. ^^^^ I urge anyone who spends his valuable time replying to Eyal (an Oracle employee, if to judge from his E-mail address) to first bill Eyal for the time spent looking up the information. Only if Eyal confirms he'll pay, then answer him. This is because Eyal won't find the time to follow the Linux-IL mailing list and help other Linux-IL subscribers with their problems, in exchange for the help which he is asking for now. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew display in java problem with linux
Hi all, I hope any of you can help...
I use mandrake. I'm programming something in java that needs to get input in
hebrew.What happens is strange:
Say I use, for example, a JtextField or JTextArea. I set the font, the default
locale... everything supports hebrew. more over, I also do "setText" and put
in unicode ("\u05d1\u05d2\u202c..."). When running I see the text in hebrew
displayed in the text input field with no problem. However, when typing
hebrew in the same field I see squares. When I type hebrew in other non java
applications it works.
it looks like Java doesn't map the key typed correctly?
in windows I have no problem with it
I should mention I use linux with sdk1.4.1...
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RE: backup utility
> -Original Message- > From: Eyal Shani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > A customer want to install Oracle Real Application Cluster on Red Had > Advanced server. > We have a backup problem because the customer uses a windows > version of > veritas and dont want to spend money on another backup > software. we need to > backup raw device to tapes on another server. do you know > any open source > (or free software) we can use (functionality as legato or > veritas). its > quite important as the customer will install the system on > windows if this > issue is not resolved. I believe that Veritas has an agent that runs on Linux. Check it out. It may be able to backup raw partitions. The agent will cost money, but it will integrate into his existing backup solution. > Thanks in advance, and please reply to me direct too as im > not in the list. On the contrary, I have answered only to the list. The list is a public resource, and if you want answers please consider participating. -- Arik ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. Vidius, Inc. Protecting Your Information from the Inside Out. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup utility
As it looks like you are not a subscriber to the list, I've CC:ed you. sorry if you get this twice. Quoting Eyal Shani, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > hi all, > > A customer want to install Oracle Real Application Cluster on Red Had > Advanced server. I know a good psychiatrist I can refer him to when he's done :) > We have a backup problem because the customer uses a windows version of > veritas and dont want to spend money on another backup software. we need to > backup raw device to tapes on another server. do you know any open source > (or free software) we can use (functionality as legato or veritas). its no Free solutions I know of that immitate Legato and their protocols, definitely no such that have passed their verification. backing up the raw devices can be done with dd while the server is down but that would not be efficiant, nor make any sense (you back up data the means anything only at the moment it was read, along with metadata in the undo and redo logs, and the instance's RAM presence). in fact, the only "correct" way I know this should be done with is Rman (Oracle's own recovery manager) which can do veritas but also plain dd to files, tapes and probably remote tapes (via rmt?), while keeping logs for full/differential backups and restores, etc. however, this doesn't have anything to do with linux, nor indeed with Free Software. if anyone here has the idea of how to correctly persorm backups of MySQL and/or postgreSQL, I'll be glad to hear. -- The first name in justice Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25740/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: backup utility
Hello Eyal, > A customer want to install Oracle Real Application Cluster on Red Had > Advanced server. > We have a backup problem because the customer uses a windows version of > veritas and dont want to spend money on another backup software. we need to > backup raw device to tapes on another server. do you know any open source > (or free software) we can use (functionality as legato or veritas). its > quite important as the customer will install the system on windows if this > issue is not resolved. Company Tk Open Systems uses for internal purposes, recommends, installs and maintains for its customers afbackup software. http://sourceforge.net/projects/afbackup/ > Eyal --- Bye, | Fax: (972)-2-6796453 Arieh | Phone: (972)-6795364 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
Quoting Omer Zak, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > Thanks in advance, and please reply to me direct too as im not in the list. > > ^^^^ > > I urge anyone who spends his valuable time replying to Eyal (an Oracle > employee, if to judge from his E-mail address) to first bill Eyal for the > time spent looking up the information. Only if Eyal confirms he'll pay, > then answer him. I'm less greedy I guess. I answered him before I read this. But I added a remark about this being off topic. It's rediculous for me to turn an Oracle employee to an Oracle product, come to think of it :-) > > This is because Eyal won't find the time to follow the Linux-IL mailing > list and help other Linux-IL subscribers with their problems, in exchange > for the help which he is asking for now. well, you can also mention the fact that the post was authorized by Alex Shnitman, which saw it as ok to forward the post to the list, in the future, Alex, please consider such posts as off-topic, please. in fact I don't mind questions from offlist people, but questions about proprietery products with no intereset for the Free Software community (nor even, sigh, for OpenSource people), should be filtered out. -- Reinventing sigs Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25742/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: backup utility
"Eyal Shani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A customer want to install Oracle Real Application Cluster on Red Had > Advanced server. Have you tried asking Red Hat? You *do* work for Oracle, don't you? Then you have partnership relations with RH. I suppose if Oracle approach them and say, it's either your sale or Microsoft's because of the need for a backup solution, they will come up with one. > We have a backup problem because the customer uses a windows version of > veritas and dont want to spend money on another backup software. we need to > backup raw device to tapes on another server. do you know any open source > (or free software) we can use (functionality as legato or veritas). It is trivial to find on the RH site that Legato and Veritas have certified their support for the Advanced Server. I suppose it is best to contact the vendors for full details, not linux-il. It is not inconceivable that RH might offer a deal on backup software to steal this sale, if it is important enough. Now, that's $80, please contact me off the list for account details. ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Eyal Shani wrote: > > > Thanks in advance, and please reply to me direct too as im not in the list. > > ^^^^ > > I urge anyone who spends his valuable time replying to Eyal (an Oracle > employee, if to judge from his E-mail address) to first bill Eyal for the > time spent looking up the information. Only if Eyal confirms he'll pay, > then answer him. > > This is because Eyal won't find the time to follow the Linux-IL mailing > list and help other Linux-IL subscribers with their problems, in exchange > for the help which he is asking for now. Omer, I agree with you that if anyone asks a question on a mailing list he/she should subscribe to the list and get an answer there. However, I'd like to add that thwere is no requirement that you answer N questions correctly before you can ask one. I am fairly sure you didn't mean that, I am posting it only not to scare away some lurkers who might have a problem with their systems. Eyal's question was marginally on-topic IMHO, though he might be better off looking for an answer in a more appropriate place. This message is CCed to him, urging him to subscribe. The more appropriate place will be mentioned in a list posting ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
> I don't mind questions from offlist people, but questions about > proprietery products with no intereset for the Free Software community > (nor even, sigh, for OpenSource people), should be filtered out. Not to defend the practice of asking a question without being on the list, but what about the bigger goal of helping a linux win? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew display in java problem with linux
Hi Shai,
This is a keyboard mapping problem. You need a keymap that maps to Unicode
Hebrew. Otherwise you need to translate the keycodes inside your Java app.
The squares are the fonts way to indicate that you entered keymap value
outside of the range of the font. If I am not mistaken we use the keymap
from Pango.org for our testing for Sun. I can get you a precise answer
tomorrow.
- yba
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Shai Bentin wrote:
> Hi all, I hope any of you can help...
>
> I use mandrake. I'm programming something in java that needs to get input in
> hebrew.What happens is strange:
>
> Say I use, for example, a JtextField or JTextArea. I set the font, the default
> locale... everything supports hebrew. more over, I also do "setText" and put
> in unicode ("\u05d1\u05d2\u202c..."). When running I see the text in hebrew
> displayed in the text input field with no problem. However, when typing
> hebrew in the same field I see squares. When I type hebrew in other non java
> applications it works.
>
> it looks like Java doesn't map the key typed correctly?
>
> in windows I have no problem with it
>
> I should mention I use linux with sdk1.4.1...
>
> Shai
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Re: hebrew display in java problem with linux
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Shai Bentin wrote:
> Say I use, for example, a JtextField or JTextArea. I set the font, the default
> locale... everything supports hebrew. more over, I also do "setText" and put
> in unicode ("\u05d1\u05d2\u202c..."). When running I see the text in hebrew
> displayed in the text input field with no problem. However, when typing
> hebrew in the same field I see squares. When I type hebrew in other non java
> applications it works.
>
> it looks like Java doesn't map the key typed correctly?
Check the following:
1. setxkbmap
2. LC_CTYPE and other localizatoin environment variables.
3. Font definitions for the relevant text widgets.
--- Omer
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RE: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't mind questions from offlist people, but questions about > > proprietery products with no intereset for the Free Software community > > (nor even, sigh, for OpenSource people), should be filtered out. > > Not to defend the practice of asking a question without being > on the list, but what about the bigger goal of helping a linux > win? This is not part of the Linux-IL mailing list charter, and the countless clueless newbies, who posted here their newbie questions, only to be whipped, using the Differential SCSI Cable, by Marc the Terrible; or burned by TDDPirate's flames - can witness this fact. There is another mailing list, which is more appropriate for helping newbies enter the world of Linux - the GNUbies-IL mailing list. (By the way, can anyone modify the http://www.iglu.org.il/mailing-lists/ page so that it'll put the GNUbies-IL list at first place, so that only people, who love to read, will notice Linux-IL?) --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:09, Ira Abramov wrote: > > This is because Eyal won't find the time to follow the Linux-IL mailing > > list and help other Linux-IL subscribers with their problems, in exchange > > for the help which he is asking for now. > > well, you can also mention the fact that the post was authorized by Alex > Shnitman, which saw it as ok to forward the post to the list, in the > future, Alex, please consider such posts as off-topic, please. in fact > I don't mind questions from offlist people, but questions about > proprietery products with no intereset for the Free Software community > (nor even, sigh, for OpenSource people), should be filtered out. Generally, the moderating system which filters messages from non-subscribers was set up in order to cut on the spam that's sent to the list address (and let me tell you, it's quite a massive amount these days). So usually I just check whether the message is spam or a normal message, and if it's not spam I forward it -- just as I don't moderate posts from subscribers, I don't moderate posts which happen to be from addresses that are not subscribed, unless I obviously see it's grossly off-topic or inappropriate. This posting mentioned Red Hat Linux so I figured it's not entirely off-topic and didn't bother looking into it very hard. If it's desired, and enough people are willing to take on the job, I guess we can set this list up as a moderated list, but I don't think that everybody will agree to do this. -- Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.hectic.net/ UIN 188956 PGP 0xEC5D619D / E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
Quoting Alex Shnitman, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > If it's desired, and enough people are willing to take on the job, I > guess we can set this list up as a moderated list, but I don't think > that everybody will agree to do this. did I say we should moderate EVERY post? I just think that off-topic posts that already pass through a moderation stage should be filtered out, and a question about Oracle and Veritas should be off topic on this list, doubly so if asked by a non-participant (in other words, it's semi-OK if asked by someone who gives back to the list on ON-TOPIC subjects). If you help the community, you get unreserved help in return, if you want to use it one-way and on off topic issues, why should we help? there are several shades of grey in the middle, and we may need to define them. ok, here's my revised policy. it mentioned the word "Red Hat" and so you saw it fit to print, I'll accept that, but I declare it's anyone's right to respond to not, but lt's not make a thread out of it.[1] Ira. [1] that means, stop it, you Nazis![2] [2] for those humoristically and trivially chalanged: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ -- Big man on campus Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25750/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
> > Not to defend the practice of asking a question without being on the > > list, but what about the bigger goal of helping a linux win? > > I see that as a moot issue. Linux has already won. what I Ever heard of "be paranoid"? I wouldn't say that "Linux has won" any time soon, there is a lot more market to gain and threats to answer even just to preserve what is already "linux territory" (what's linux territory? Movie studios?). (e.g. NZ Post just decided to move from OS/2 to Windows after considering Linux for a few months - I wonder if the Linux vendors there could do more to win this deal). As for this being "off topic" - isn't a question about commercial software on top of Linux of interest for this group or its participants? Go figure if one day you might have a project or a job at that customer because linux won there. What would you brag about in "Linux in Government" conferences if not about how many businesses succeed on Linux? Everything is connected --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: > Quoting Alex Shnitman, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > > > If it's desired, and enough people are willing to take on the job, I > > guess we can set this list up as a moderated list, but I don't think > > that everybody will agree to do this. > > did I saywe should moderate EVERY post? I just think that off-topic > posts that already pass through a moderation stage should be filtered > out, and a question about Oracle and Veritas should be off topic on this > list, doubly so if asked by a non-participant (inother words, it's > semi-OK if asked by someone who gives back to the list on ON-TOPIC > subjects). Can anyone remind me why Linux-IL was set up to receive messages from non-subscribers (subject to human moderator's approval) in the first place? If there is no good reason, how about reconfiguring the list to reject all messages from non-subscribers? Then Alex Shnitman will not have to spend time approving messages from non-subscribers. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
> Can anyone remind me why Linux-IL was set up to receive messages from > non-subscribers (subject to human moderator's approval) in the first > place? > > If there is no good reason, how about reconfiguring the list to reject all > messages from non-subscribers? Then Alex Shnitman will not have to spend > time approving messages from non-subscribers. > --- Omer Sometimes people have email problems and use a different address to post a message. And we *do* want to accept out-of-list questions or announcements. This message reflects my own opinions and is not the official view of the list masters. -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- A little experience often upsets a lot of theory. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Transparent proxy for local PC
Hi, I'm trying to configure a transparent HTTP proxy that will affect the local host in system or application level. I've already successfully configured such a proxy for remote hosts, however I had a problem with setting it up for a local host, as the proxy's attempt to connect out are redirected back to the proxy. I need this as I want to use an external (non-transparent) proxy transparently for some URLs and just forward other URLs. Is there any way to do this in either application(a la socksify) or system(a la iptables) level? Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- "... an experienced, industrious, ambitious, and often quite often picturesque liar." -- Mark Twain = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 17:43, Omer Zak wrote: > Can anyone remind me why Linux-IL was set up to receive messages from > non-subscribers (subject to human moderator's approval) in the first > place? Because some desired messages do come from non-subscribers, such as event notifications or job offers. -- Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.hectic.net/ UIN 188956 PGP 0xEC5D619D / E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: "Please reply to me direct" (was: Re: backup utility)
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Alon Altman wrote: > > Can anyone remind me why Linux-IL was set up to receive messages from > > non-subscribers (subject to human moderator's approval) in the first > > place? > > > > If there is no good reason, how about reconfiguring the list to reject all > > messages from non-subscribers?Then Alex Shnitman will not have to spend > > time approving messages from non-subscribers. > >--- Omer > > Sometimes people have email problems and use a different address to post a > message. You convinced me. > ... Andwe *do* want to accept out-of-list questions or announcements. I see here a discussion about the mailing list moderation policies to be followed from now on. My opinions: 1. I don't want to accept out-of-list questions. 2. On-topic announcements are OK by me. 3. If there is at most one moderated but off-topic message a day, then I won't call for stricter moderation policies. > This message reflects my own opinions and is not the official view of the > list masters. Ditto. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to pick your fights
New topic = new thread :) Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > > list, but what about the bigger goal of helping a linux win? > > > > I see that as a moot issue. Linux has already won. what I > > Ever heard of "be paranoid"? nope. Paranoia, per the DSM-IV, is a serious personality problem and people suffering from it are not very happy people, with troubles relating to reality. Why would I want to be that? I AM afraid to lose my Freedom, which is a different, thought somewhat parallel, issue. Helping people at Oracle doesn't hurt my freedom, so I don't mind doing it. However I prefer promoting Free over proprietary software when given the choice (not to be confused with "commercial") > already "linux territory" (what's linux territory? Movie studios?). why would I need the headache of a territory? :) > (e.g. NZ Post just decided to move from OS/2 to Windows after > considering Linux for a few months - I wonder if the Linux vendors > there could do more to win this deal). that's their choice, what to run internally. as long as they support open standards and let me use their online and offline electronic resources via open standards and Free tools, why should I mind? the newspaper is a company and they are allowed to manage their data as they wish. Ynet may use microsoft internally till the cows come home. the only thing I'm annoyed with is their web presence, which won't work on non-MSIE (i.e. their readers' forums) > As for this being "off topic" - isn't a question about commercial > software on top of Linux of interest for this group or its > participants? Go figure if one day you might have a project or a job > at that customer because linux won there. What would you brag about in > "Linux in Government" conferences if not about how many businesses > succeed on Linux? As I said, if GNU/Linux wins because someone embraced a non-free product or a non-free standard, I don't see it as a win, I see it as a parasite. though unlike parasites of the biological world, they don't take any of my resources, so I don't care about them. on the other hand they don't contribute back either, and they don't promote my freedom. (well, maybe not in this particular case. I get payed by a company that makes money from installing Oracle on Gnu/Linux machines :-) > Everything is connected but not inherently true and correct. Our goals may not be the same afterall, and I don't see all the means justified because we aim at different ends. -- Big fish in a small pond Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25757/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Transparent proxy for local PC
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003, Alon Altman wrote about "Transparent proxy for local PC": > I've already successfully configured such a proxy for remote hosts, > however I had a problem with setting it up for a local host, as the proxy's > attempt to connect out are redirected back to the proxy. One trivial (but rather silly) workaround is to use a second proxy; If you capture port 80, and the proxy sends its requests to another proxy's port 8080 (say), you won't have this problem... But that's probably not what you had in mind... > Is there any way to do this in either application(a la socksify) or > system(a la iptables) level? I'm assuming you already have a DNAT target on the OUTPUT chain (iptables). You might want to check the "owner" module to iptables (see iptables(8))), and redirect all packets except those generated by the proxy process (for example). Caveat emptor: I did not try this. As they say: "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway" :) -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Feb 11 2003, 10 Adar I 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I couldn't afford a cool signature, so I http://nadav.harel.org.il |just got this one. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Transparent proxy for local PC
> > I've already successfully configured such a proxy for remote hosts, > > however I had a problem with setting it up for a local host, as the proxy's > > attempt to connect out are redirected back to the proxy. > > One trivial (but rather silly) workaround is to use a second proxy; If you > capture port 80, and the proxy sends its requests to another proxy's port > 8080 (say), you won't have this problem... > But that's probably not what you had in mind... Yes, but then I'll need an external machine, which I'm trying to avoid... > > Is there any way to do this in either application(a la socksify) or > > system(a la iptables) level? > > I'm assuming you already have a DNAT target on the OUTPUT chain (iptables). > You might want to check the "owner" module to iptables (see iptables(8))), > and redirect all packets except those generated by the proxy process (for > example). Thanks. This would probably solve my problem. Didn't know about the "owner" module... Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- Do, or do not; there is no try. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Time zone in syslog
Hello folks It may be picky or stupid, but here goes. I have setup a new system, and set it up to use the IST timezone. Hardware clock is set to GMT, and date returns the IST time properly. I've also set up ntpd to query the IIX timeserver. The only problem that this setup has in this respect is syslog. For the life of me I can't make syslog dump its log files in GMT. Since this is a firewall, I want to have accurate GMT logs that I can use for security violation reports. Is there any way to have syslog use the GMT timezone instead of the system's locale? -- Arik ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. Vidius, Inc. Protecting Your Information from the Inside Out. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer 0.90 is around the corner
I have compiled the rh rpm in my mandrake 9 and found no problems with the gui. What are you talking about? - diego áéåí ùìéùé, 11 áôáøåàø 2003, 14:43, Ira Abramov ëúá: > Quoting Ely Levy, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > > what was the end in the argument between mplayer's dev > > and debian about the license thing? > > I stopped reading the thread after some point, because everyone were > shouting and flaming and not listening to eachother. rough summery: > > deb-dev: your code implements patents illegally, and you already > released in the past GPL code that was illegal to distribute precompiled > and other problems (like no runtime CPU detection). > > gabucino: it's no more illegal than xine which you included in "main", > go see for yourself. people are asking me why mplayer isn't, will you > add me into the distro, apes? > > deb-dev: we can't add this legal time-bomb to the main archive, continue > this discussion on debian-legal > > gabucino: you are f&%$^ing pompous, have you even read the GPL? don't > you know you are trying to limit my free speech? who needs you anyway? > > (and so on, it was really rediculous and childlish, sadly) > > > (I hope they would get GUI to work normaly before 0.90..) > > 3% chance of that :) To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Time zone in syslog
Arik wrote: > The only problem that this setup has in this respect is > syslog. For the life of me I can't make syslog dump its log > files in GMT. Since this is a firewall, I want to have > accurate GMT logs that I can use for security violation reports. > > Is there any way to have syslog use the GMT timezone instead > of the system's locale? Hi Arik, how are you? Had you put ten more minutes into it you would have found the trick. Just add 'export TZ=GMT' to the syslogd initialization script; this should do the trick. -- Arik ** This email and attachments have been scanned for potential proprietary or sensitive information leakage. Vidius, Inc. Protecting Your Information from the Inside Out. www.vidius.com ** To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:06:46 +0200
Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as the engravings go, it is up to the display engine to display
Engravings...display engine What?
I was talking about the engravings on the plastic keycaps on the keyboard
("Hacharita al gabey hamakashim"). It has no $&#$^#$ display engine (yet).
Now imagine how "intuitive" it would be for the display to present
'('
While the keycap on the keyboard is marked (on the plastic) with:
')'
> consistant and pleasant experience.
Indeed :-)
Now that people started reversing keys, I can only extrapolate...
- Let's map F1 <-> F12, F2 <-> F11, (RTL Function-key order)
- Let's change '/' into '\' (RTL pathnames are great)
- Let's change '+' into '-' (my brain has melted)
Seriously, let's keep one simple principle:
A key produce the character painted on its keycap.
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xkb and kde
I'm using mandrake 9.0 with kde3. There is a keymap changing utility that comes with kde. Can someone explain to me what this small applet actually does and where it gets all the keyboard maps it uses? I looked in /etc/X11/xkb/keymaps/xfree86 and other files I found there and couldn't see the (il) entry there. I did find an 'il' entry in symbols directory, however I also found 'il_phonetic' and that doesn't show up on the list with the flags in the control center. Moreover, my XF86Conifg-4 loads a layout of "us". It seems that the keyboard mapping applet does something else, gets the list from some where else… can someone clarify this for me? Thanks
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
Oron Peled wrote:
Engravings...display engine What?
I do believe I was not properly understood. I'll try again.
I was talking about the engravings on the plastic keycaps on the keyboard
("Hacharita al gabey hamakashim").
So was I.
It has no $&#$^#$ display engine (yet).
Dure you do. Otherwise, how come the characters come out at all? It's
part of X.
Now imagine how "intuitive" it would be for the display to present
'('
While the keycap on the keyboard is marked (on the plastic) with:
')'
It won't be. But in order for it to come out right, and behave according
to the "logical" Hebrew standard, two things must happen. The first is
that the keyboard send out the "wrong" key, i.e. - I press the thing
marked ")", and the keyboard sends ASCII, or rather, UNICODE 0x0028
(also known as "(", or "open paranthesis). The reason being that open
paranthesis is what you meant. When in Hebrew, the open paranthesis are
on the right.
Now, in order for the display to display it properly, and open
paranthesis must be rendered as ")" rather than "(", as it normally
does. Guess what, the Unicode standard does, in fact, dictate that
character 0x0028, when in right to left context, should be displayed as
the glyph that belongs to 0x0029.
After this long explanation, what do we have? We now know that we want a
keyboard that does things "backwards", and a display engine that
reverses this back. Believe me, there are good reasons (which I have
tried to explain in my previous mail) why this is preferable to doing
things as they have been done up until now.
So, if everything is so cool how come things break, you ask? Because,
while the keyboard was corrected, the display engine was not yet. As a
result, things turn out backwards on screen, even though they are
correctly represented in memory. This will also hold true to files
imported from other platforms.
So, instead of complaining about the change to the input method,
complain that the output method is not yet up to date. This will make
things much more productive all around.
Now that people started reversing keys, I can only extrapolate...
- Let's map F1 <-> F12, F2 <-> F11, (RTL Function-key order)
- Let's change '/' into '\' (RTL pathnames are great)
- Let's change '+' into '-' (my brain has melted)
No, but it should change "<" to ">", and "[" to "]" for similar reasons.
Seriously, let's keep one simple principle:
A key produce the character painted on its keycap.
Agreed, but that does not necessarily means it is not converted back and
forth on it's way.
Sh.
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Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
> > Then we agree: it's a bug in X. > > > > Who shall report? > > Please do so. I'm currently rather busy with some other problems (mainly > getting everything ready for Qt-3.2) and preparing my visit to Israel > beginning of March :) I still don't understand why some people claim that mirroring characters in the keymap is wrong. The alternative is that every Bidi toolkit (or an application that has its own bidi implementation like OpenOffice) should have a code for mirroring the necessary characters. It seems that this is worse than mirroring the characters in the keymap, which means 0 lines of code in the applications. PS: I'm cross-posting this to the ivrix mailing list which is a more appropriate place for this discussion. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Dekel Tsur wrote: > I still don't understand why some people claim that mirroring characters in > the keymap is wrong. > The alternative is that every Bidi toolkit (or an application that > has its own bidi implementation like OpenOffice) should have a code for > mirroring the necessary characters. It seems that this is worse than > mirroring the characters in the keymap, which means 0 lines of code in the > applications. This also implies that such program/toolkit should be aware of the "language" of the keyboard: The X server translates the key presses to symbols. The application can then use keysyms and not really care about the keyboard layout of the user. It shouldn't. If the application is to handle mirroring, the application should check not only what is the keysym of the key that was just clicked, but also: * Which key exactly was it that was clicked * what was the "active layout" at thetime. OTOH: is it safe to assume that whenever your keyboard is in "Hebrew mode" you type RTL text? What about: - programs with no bidi support? - editing of mixed Hebrew-English text? BTW: the extended layouts (yx and si1452) also include the symbols LRM and RLM chars. They are supposed to allow typing of more complex mixed text. Which toolkits/programs currently support them? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb and kde
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Shai Bentin wrote: > I'm using mandrake 9.0 with kde3. > There is a keymap changing utility that comes with kde. Can someone > explain to me what this small applet actually does and where it gets all > the keyboard maps it uses? When you "change a keymap" with this applet, is changes the whole X server keyboard layout. Something very inefficient. Keep in mind that the "us" layout includes only latin chars, whereas the "il" layout includes both latin and Hebrew chars, and defaults to latin, and you'll see why the result is confusing, and quite pointless. Luckily, Mandrake shows that there isa better option. > > I looked in /etc/X11/xkb/keymaps/xfree86 and other files I found there > and couldn't see the (il) entry there. I did find an 'il' entry in > symbols directory, however I also found 'il_phonetic' and that doesn't > show up on the list with the flags in the control center. It shouldn't. You really don't want to use it. It is not the layout of the Israeli keyboard. Have a look at xkb/reules/xfree86 . This is a translation from high-level "xkb parameters" (layout, variant, options, model) to lower-level ones (symbols, compat, etc.) > Moreover, my > XF86Conifg-4 loads a layout of "us". Mandrake configures Xkb using /etc/X11/Xkbmap (or a similar name): a file with parameters to setxkbmap . Maybe add there: -option "grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" or something similar. > It seems that the keyboard mapping > applet does something else, gets the list from some where else. can > someone clarify this for me? strace? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew display in java problem with linux
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Shai Bentin wrote:
>
> > Hi all, I hope any of you can help...
> >
> > I use mandrake. I'm programming something in java that needs to get input in
> > hebrew.What happens is strange:
> >
> > Say I use, for example, a JtextField or JTextArea. I set the font, the default
> > locale... everything supports hebrew. more over, I also do "setText" and put
> > in unicode ("\u05d1\u05d2\u202c..."). When running I see the text in hebrew
> > displayed in the text input field with no problem. However, when typing
> > hebrew in the same field I see squares. When I type hebrew in other non java
> > applications it works.
> >
> > it looks like Java doesn't map the key typed correctly?
> >
> > in windows I have no problem with it
> >
> > I should mention I use linux with sdk1.4.1...
>
> Hi Shai,
> This is a keyboard mapping problem. You need a keymap that maps to Unicode
> Hebrew. Otherwise you need to translate the keycodes inside your Java app.
> The squares are the fonts way to indicate that you entered keymap value
> outside of the range of the font. If I am not mistaken we use the keymap
> from Pango.org for our testing for Sun. I can get you a precise answer
> tomorrow.
The standard keymap from XFree contains correct Hebrew symbols.
If it works for KDE, gnome2 and mozilla, it should work for Java as well.
(older programs, such as XAW programs and gnome1 programs may get away
with the use of incorrect "8bit" symbols)
Note that for Hebrew there are specific keysyms, and direct use of unicode
chars.
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Re: mplayer 0.90 is around the corner
Quoting Diego Iastrubni, from the post of Tue, 11 Feb: > I have compiled the rh rpm in my mandrake 9 and found no problems with the > gui. What are you talking about? I wish I could say the same about my own complation. the fact the GUI sucked had nothing to do with the distro, I suspect. it's badly designed. in addition, whenever my CPU is a little active and the player has to drop frames, it pops up a warning window with "your CPU is too slow for this!" which I can have endless fun closing and it will pop up again and again. when running mplayer CLI, it just throws it to the console where I can ignore it and watch the movie (damnit!) -- Free rider Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25770/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
