Frustration !!
well... isn't there a way to copy cd ??? i'm trying this for two week !!! my last try was: cdrdao copy --device 0,2,0 --source-device 0,1,0 --driver generic-mmc --source-driver generic-mmc --buffers 64 but it just read and faild on write. when i try XCDroast it just hang there i have a BTC 36x CDROM and a PHILIPS CDRW both are emulate to scsi i'm using debian (if it helps) thanx Eli Segal = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frustration !!
Hi, Some commercial software CD's include some kind of a copy protection that won't let you copy the cd (you just get I/O error after the reading the first bytes). Maybe thats the case. Try something like this: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/cd.iso See if it works, if it does - you should be able to burn this ISO later with cdrecord. Sagi From: "àìé ñâì" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > well... isn't there a way to copy cd ??? > > i'm trying this for two week !!! > > my last try was: > > cdrdao copy --device 0,2,0 --source-device 0,1,0 --driver > generic-mmc --source-driver generic-mmc --buffers 64 > > but it just read and faild on write. > > when i try XCDroast it just hang there > > i have a BTC 36x CDROM and a PHILIPS CDRW > both are emulate to scsi > > i'm using debian (if it helps) > > thanx > Eli Segal = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frustration !!
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 10:33, àìé ñâì wrote: > well... isn't there a way to copy cd ??? > > i'm trying this for two week !!! Use cdbakeoven - nothing is easier then that - and it's easier then xcdroast and lots of other crap... http://cdbakeoven.sourceforge.net/ Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frustration !!
=?windows-1255?B?4OzpIPHi7A==?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > cdrdao copy --device 0,2,0 --source-device 0,1,0 --driver > generic-mmc --source-driver generic-mmc --buffers 64 I found out that direct copying with cdrecord, as described in CD-Writing HOWTO, leads to errors too often, so I usually do it in 2 steps: dd the (data) CD to the hard disk, and then just use cdrecord to write. For audio CDs I use cdparanoia to get the tracks and cdrecord to write. I find the 2-step procedure way more reliable. I don't have a factory for CD duplication, so I don't care much that it is 2-step. Works for me. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Lisp] is the only computer language that is beautiful. - Neal Stephenson = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whatsup - Important updates
Hi Linuxer's, We wanted to update you in some changes we are making with the site, and ask For your opinion\advice on some of them. 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the site via http://whatsup.org.il . We thought that as appropriate for Linux related site, .org.il is more compatible then .co.il . We don't want people to get the feeling that we are commercial in any way. The old domain is still active (and will remain active), but in any way - update your bookmarks ! :) 2) we will start sending a newsletter (in Hebrew of course) to all of our registered members. The newsletter will include ALL of the headlines from the past 24 hours, including links to the original stories (both translated and to the news source). We would like to get your opinion about having such a newsletter, and get some new idea's from you about things a user would like to find there, other the news and site updates. 3) this is the biggest issue : we were contacted by one of the biggest site's in Israel about content sharing . It appears that since Linux is becoming more and more known and appreciated in Israel, more and more portals want to develop their own Linux sections, and are looking for sources to get started\share with . The only problem is that this site requires for exclusively. That means that we cannot join forces with any other commercial competitor while working with the current one. Non-commercial sites are ok. The question is : do you think that this is a smart move for a site at our position ? We are only active for less then 2 months, and that kind of move can definitely close some doors\options for us, but on the other hand we will get the kind of exposure that we can only dream of if we don't take that offer. Is this something you would do ? 4) we would like to take this opportunity and ask you all for your help contributing content to the site. We are all working people that cannot devote Ourselves 24\7 for dealing with Linux, but we believe this project has a huge potential of helping and promoting the local Linux community. If you feel like you want to chip-in by submitting news, writing articles, review products, manage a forum etc, please email us to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . 5) we thought about having an online store that will sell (what else) Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other helpful things. We need you to help us think what products we can have there. Again - the purpose is NOT commercial in any way. We want to do it as a service To the community. Please say if you think an online store is a good idea's by voting at : http://whatsup.org.il/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=15&mode=&order=&th old= Thanks for your help, and we hope to be a great service for the Israeli Linux community. -- Amir Tal, System Administrator Whatsup - Linux related news And support - in hebrew ! icq : 15748705 http://www.whatsup.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frustration !!
with what parameter do you use it ? i tried to read some of it options, but what do i need to make a copy afterward with cdrecord ?? - Original Message - From: "Oleg Goldshmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Linux-IL mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Frustration !! > =?windows-1255?B?4OzpIPHi7A==?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > cdrdao copy --device 0,2,0 --source-device 0,1,0 --driver > > generic-mmc --source-driver generic-mmc --buffers 64 > > I found out that direct copying with cdrecord, as described in > CD-Writing HOWTO, leads to errors too often, so I usually do it in 2 > steps: dd the (data) CD to the hard disk, and then just use cdrecord > to write. > > For audio CDs I use cdparanoia to get the tracks and cdrecord to > write. > > I find the 2-step procedure way more reliable. I don't have a factory > for CD duplication, so I don't care much that it is 2-step. Works for > me. > > -- > Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Lisp] is the only computer language that is beautiful. > - Neal Stephenson = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whatsup - Important updates
Just a small clarification please- Is there money involoved in this content sharing with this big poral? On ג', 2002-03-19 at 12:51, Amir Tal wrote: > Hi Linuxer's, > > We wanted to update you in some changes we are making with the site, and > ask > For your opinion\advice on some of them. > > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the site > via http://whatsup.org.il . > We thought that as appropriate for Linux related site, .org.il is more > compatible then .co.il . We don't want people to get the feeling that we > are commercial in any way. > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), but in any way > - update your bookmarks ! :) > > 2) we will start sending a newsletter (in Hebrew of course) to all of > our registered members. The newsletter will include ALL of the headlines > from the past 24 hours, including links to the original stories (both > translated and to the news source). We would like to get your opinion > about having such a newsletter, and get some new idea's from you about > things a user would like to find there, other the news and site > updates. > > 3) this is the biggest issue : we were contacted by one of the biggest > site's in Israel about content sharing . > It appears that since Linux is becoming more and more known and > appreciated in Israel, more and more portals want to develop their own > Linux sections, and are looking for sources to get started\share with . > The only problem is that this site requires for exclusively. That means > that we cannot join forces with any other commercial competitor while > working with the current one. Non-commercial sites are ok. > The question is : do you think that this is a smart move for a site at > our position ? We are only active for less then 2 months, and that kind > of move can definitely close some doors\options for us, but on the other > hand we will get the kind of exposure that we can only dream of if we > don't take that offer. > Is this something you would do ? > > 4) we would like to take this opportunity and ask you all for your help > contributing content to the site. We are all working people that cannot > devote > Ourselves 24\7 for dealing with Linux, but we believe this project has a > huge potential of helping and promoting the local Linux community. > If you feel like you want to chip-in by submitting news, writing > articles, review products, manage a forum etc, please email us to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > 5) we thought about having an online store that will sell (what else) > Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other > helpful things. > We need you to help us think what products we can have there. Again - > the purpose is NOT commercial in any way. We want to do it as a service > To the community. > > Please say if you think an online store is a good idea's by voting at : > http://whatsup.org.il/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=15&mode=&order=&th > old= > > Thanks for your help, and we hope to be a great service for the Israeli > Linux community. > > -- > Amir Tal, System Administrator > Whatsup - Linux related news > And support - in hebrew ! > icq : 15748705 > http://www.whatsup.co.il > -- > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frustration !!
Eli Segal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > with what parameter do you use it ? > > i tried to read some of it options, but what do i need to make a copy > afterward with cdrecord ?? As I said, http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO is your friend. After you dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso you can do (run cdrecord -scanbus to determine the arguments to dev option) cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data image.iso In principle, you should be able to do a 1:1 copy of data CD in 1 step with cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 speed=4 -isosize /dev/cdrom if you have separate CD-ROM and CD-writer drives, but that's what I said was unreliable. I prefer the 2-step version. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Lisp] is the only computer language that is beautiful. - Neal Stephenson = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > Just a small clarification please- Is there money involoved > in this content sharing with this big poral? No. at least not for now. Bare in mind that we are not a commercial organization, and we do not operate for profit. Well, at least not for now. Its hard to say what will happen, but this is not something we currently plan. Tal. > > > On â', 2002-03-19 at 12:51, Amir Tal wrote: > > Hi Linuxer's, > > > > We wanted to update you in some changes we are making with > the site, > > and ask For your opinion\advice on some of them. > > > > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the > > site via http://whatsup.org.il . We thought that as appropriate for > > Linux related site, .org.il is more compatible then .co.il > . We don't > > want people to get the feeling that we are commercial in any way. > > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), > but in any way > > - update your bookmarks ! :) > > > > 2) we will start sending a newsletter (in Hebrew of course) > to all of > > our registered members. The newsletter will include ALL of the > > headlines from the past 24 hours, including links to the original > > stories (both translated and to the news source). We would > like to get > > your opinion about having such a newsletter, and get some > new idea's > > from you about things a user would like to find there, > other the news > > and site updates. > > > > 3) this is the biggest issue : we were contacted by one of > the biggest > > site's in Israel about content sharing . It appears that > since Linux > > is becoming more and more known and appreciated in Israel, more and > > more portals want to develop their own Linux sections, and > are looking > > for sources to get started\share with . The only problem is > that this > > site requires for exclusively. That means that we cannot > join forces > > with any other commercial competitor while working with the current > > one. Non-commercial sites are ok. The question is : do you > think that > > this is a smart move for a site at our position ? We are > only active > > for less then 2 months, and that kind of move can definitely close > > some doors\options for us, but on the other hand we will > get the kind > > of exposure that we can only dream of if we don't take that offer. > > Is this something you would do ? > > > > 4) we would like to take this opportunity and ask you all for your > > help contributing content to the site. We are all working > people that > > cannot devote Ourselves 24\7 for dealing with Linux, but we believe > > this project has a huge potential of helping and promoting > the local > > Linux community. If you feel like you want to chip-in by submitting > > news, writing articles, review products, manage a forum etc, please > > email us to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > > > 5) we thought about having an online store that will sell > (what else) > > Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other > > helpful things. We need you to help us think what products > we can have > > there. Again - the purpose is NOT commercial in any way. We > want to do > > it as a service To the community. > > > > Please say if you think an online store is a good idea's by > voting at > > : > > > http://whatsup.org.il/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=15&mode= &order=&th > old= > > Thanks for your help, and we hope to be a great service for the > Israeli Linux community. > > -- > Amir Tal, System Administrator > Whatsup - Linux related news > And support - in hebrew ! > icq : 15748705 > http://www.whatsup.co.il > -- > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
slightly OT:Hardare buying.
Title: הודעה Hi. A while ago there was someone on this list that sells hardware, for fairly cheap prices if I remember correctly. Could that someone contact me please? (anyone else who sells hardware is welcome to contact me as well of course). Fredy
Re: Whatsup - Important updates
Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bare in mind that we are not a commercial organization, and we do not > operate for profit. Just out of curiosity: who exactly is "we"? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Lisp] is the only computer language that is beautiful. - Neal Stephenson = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Oleg Goldshmidt > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 'Shai Bentin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > Amir Tal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Bare in mind that we are not a commercial organization, and > we do not > > operate for profit. > > Just out of curiosity: who exactly is "we"? Whatsup was basically founded by me, with the kind help of another friend, yehuda drori ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) We are now equal partners in this project. We are NOT a registered organization, this is strictly private project for now. Tal. > > -- > Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Lisp] is the only computer language that is beautiful. > - Neal Stephenson > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew in gtk2.0.0
Hi, I used to have gtk-1.3.14, which supported hebrew quite well.. with bidi and all. However, after installing gtk2 this support is gone.. I can't see anything when I type in hebrew. It might be a fonts problem, but could it be a gtk bug? I've changed nothing since gtk-1.3.14 and this version doesn't work well. bottom line: Can anybody write in hebrew with his gtk2 based apps, while his gtk version is 2.0.0? Thanks - Oren = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! shai On ג', 2002-03-19 at 14:23, Amir Tal wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:05 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > Just a small clarification please- Is there money involoved > > in this content sharing with this big poral? > > No. at least not for now. > Bare in mind that we are not a commercial organization, and we do not > operate for profit. > Well, at least not for now. Its hard to say what will happen, but this > is not something we currently plan. > > Tal. > > > > > > > > > On ג', 2002-03-19 at 12:51, Amir Tal wrote: > > > Hi Linuxer's, > > > > > > We wanted to update you in some changes we are making with > > the site, > > > and ask For your opinion\advice on some of them. > > > > > > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the > > > site via http://whatsup.org.il . We thought that as appropriate for > > > Linux related site, .org.il is more compatible then .co.il > > . We don't > > > want people to get the feeling that we are commercial in any way. > > > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), > > but in any way > > > - update your bookmarks ! :) > > > > > > 2) we will start sending a newsletter (in Hebrew of course) > > to all of > > > our registered members. The newsletter will include ALL of the > > > headlines from the past 24 hours, including links to the original > > > stories (both translated and to the news source). We would > > like to get > > > your opinion about having such a newsletter, and get some > > new idea's > > > from you about things a user would like to find there, > > other the news > > > and site updates. > > > > > > 3) this is the biggest issue : we were contacted by one of > > the biggest > > > site's in Israel about content sharing . It appears that > > since Linux > > > is becoming more and more known and appreciated in Israel, more and > > > more portals want to develop their own Linux sections, and > > are looking > > > for sources to get started\share with . The only problem is > > that this > > > site requires for exclusively. That means that we cannot > > join forces > > > with any other commercial competitor while working with the current > > > one. Non-commercial sites are ok. The question is : do you > > think that > > > this is a smart move for a site at our position ? We are > > only active > > > for less then 2 months, and that kind of move can definitely close > > > some doors\options for us, but on the other hand we will > > get the kind > > > of exposure that we can only dream of if we don't take that offer. > > > Is this something you would do ? > > > > > > 4) we would like to take this opportunity and ask you all for your > > > help contributing content to the site. We are all working > > people that > > > cannot devote Ourselves 24\7 for dealing with Linux, but we believe > > > this project has a huge potential of helping and promoting > > the local > > > Linux community. If you feel like you want to chip-in by submitting > > > news, writing articles, review products, manage a forum etc, please > > > email us to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > > > > > 5) we thought about having an online store that will sell > > (what else) > > > Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other > > > helpful things. We need you to help us think what products > > we can have > > > there. Again - the purpose is NOT commercial in any way. We > > want to do > > > it as a service To the community. > > > > > > Please say if you think an online store is a good idea's by > > voting at > > > : > > > > > http://whatsup.org.il/pollBooth.php?op=results&pollID=15&mode= > &order=&th > > old= > > > > Thanks for your help, and we hope to be a great service for the > > Israeli Linux community. > > > > -- > > Amir Tal, System Administrator > > Whatsup - Linux related news > > And support - in hebrew ! > > icq : 15748705 > > http://www.whatsup.co.il > > -- > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > == > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word > "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the messa
Re: Whatsup - Important updates
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the site > via http://whatsup.org.il . > We thought that as appropriate for Linux related site, .org.il is more > compatible then .co.il . We don't want people to get the feeling that we > are commercial in any way. > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), but in any way > - update your bookmarks ! :) just re-direct from whatsup.co.il to whatsup.org.il, people will get used to that. and change your sig... > Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other > helpful things. wearable stuff could also be nice- like a red hat, or a DeCss t-shirt, and furry stuff (like tuxes) Orna. > > -- > Amir Tal, System Administrator > Whatsup - Linux related news > And support - in hebrew ! > icq : 15748705 > http://www.whatsup.co.il > -- > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: slightly OT:Hardare buying.
A quick search in the archive will give you: Nimrod Simba Carmi [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I also suggest to use zap.co.il Haggai. --- Hi. A while ago there was someone on this list that sells hardware, for fairly cheap prices if I remember correctly. Could that someone contact me please? (anyone else who sells hardware is welcome to contact me as well of course). Fredy
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge number of hits > per day ! > Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, and joining forces with > those guys can multiple > That number by at least 20. > This is something worth thinking about. > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am hoping for more > opinions from the list > So we can decide. in that case, you should make a 'limited deal' with them. if i were you, i'd make sure: 1. either side can break out of the deal within a given time notice (e.g. 30 days). 2. you keep the copyright for all the material, or otherwise the original posters do, but you certainly do not transfer copyright to that commercial entity. 3. they cannot sue you if they are not satisfied - they at best can terminate the agreement. ofcourse - this cannot include cases when you maliciously try to damage their business. 4. they put a link to your site, in a way that it'll be visible the content comes from your site, not from their site (i.e. even if you let them copy the material from your site to their - you should make sure they somewhere mention the content is taken from your site). i'd also suggest using a 'slow start' on this - otherwise, you might get overwhelmed with site management tasks. this means they first don't advertise the site too much - only after it starts gaining users and you both see you're up to the task, push it forward. good luck -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:00 PM > To: Amir Tal > Cc: 'Shai Bentin'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving exclusivity to > > > them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, then I > > > don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > number of hits > > per day ! Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, > and joining > > forces with those guys can multiple That number by at least 20. > > This sounds to me like fair price for the content you provide for them > > If they want exclusiveness, they should provide more. Define "more"..what would you ask for ? > > What does "exclusiveness" means? Does it mean that you are > not allowed to provide your headlines in a standard format > such that any website can add those headlines? Any commercial website (like maariv, walla etc..) Non-commercial websites are ok to post to (iglu, linuxisrael etc...) > > Who has the copyrights for your newsletter? Me. I can send it to all of my registered members. That goes only for Email distribution, not web. (dont ask me what's the deference, its their rule) > > > This is something worth thinking about. > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > hoping for more > > opinions from the list So we can decide. > > > > Tal. > > > > > > > > > > > > shai > > > > > > On â', 2002-03-19 at 14:23, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Shai Bentin > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:05 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a small clarification please- Is there money > involoved in > > > > > this content sharing with this big poral? > > > > > > > > No. at least not for now. > > > > Bare in mind that we are not a commercial organization, and > > > we do not > > > > operate for profit. Well, at least not for now. Its hard to > > > say what > > > > will happen, but this is not something we currently plan. > > > > > > > > Tal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On â', 2002-03-19 at 12:51, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > > Hi Linuxer's, > > > > > > > > > > > > We wanted to update you in some changes we are making with > > > > > the site, > > > > > > and ask For your opinion\advice on some of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You > can now get > > > > > > to the site via http://whatsup.org.il . We thought that as > > > appropriate for > > > > > > Linux related site, .org.il is more compatible then .co.il > > > > > . We don't > > > > > > want people to get the feeling that we are commercial > > > in any way. > > > > > > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), > > > > > but in any way > > > > > > - update your bookmarks ! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) we will start sending a newsletter (in Hebrew of course) > > > > > to all of > > > > > > our registered members. The newsletter will include > ALL of the > > > > > > headlines from the past 24 hours, including links to > > > the original > > > > > > stories (both translated and to the news source). We would > > > > > like to get > > > > > > your opinion about having such a newsletter, and get some > > > > > new idea's > > > > > > from you about things a user would like to find there, > > > > > other the news > > > > > > and site updates. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) this is the biggest issue : we were contacted by one of > > > > > the biggest > > > > > > site's in Israel about content sharing . It appears that > > > > > since Linux > > > > > > is becoming more and more known and appreciated in Israel, > > > > > > more and more portals want to develop their own Linux > > > > > > sections, and > > > > > are looking > > > > > > for sources to get started\share with . The only problem is > > > > > that this > > > > > > site requires for exclusively. That means that we cannot > > > > > join forces > > > > > > with any other commercial competitor while working with the > > > > > > current one. Non-commercial sites are ok. The > question is : do > > > > > > you > > > > > think that > > > > > > this is a smart move for a site at our position ? We are > > > > > only active > > > > > > for less then 2 months, and that kind of move can > > > definitely close > > > > > > some doors\options for us, but on the other hand we will > > > > > get
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Orna Agmon > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:16 PM > To: Amir Tal > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > 1) first, there is a new domain name for us. You can now get to the > > site via http://whatsup.org.il . We thought that as appropriate for > > Linux related site, .org.il is more compatible then .co.il > . We don't > > want people to get the feeling that we are commercial in any way. > > The old domain is still active (and will remain active), > but in any way > > - update your bookmarks ! :) > > > just re-direct from whatsup.co.il to whatsup.org.il, people That was done to.. > will get used to that. and change your sig... > And so was that ;) > > Linux related products : original distro's cd's, books, and other > > helpful things. > wearable stuff could also be nice- like a red hat, or a > DeCss t-shirt, and furry stuff (like tuxes) > > Orna. > > > > -- > > Amir Tal, System Administrator > > Whatsup - Linux related news > > And support - in hebrew ! > > icq : 15748705 > > http://www.whatsup.co.il > > -- > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get > > is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge number of hits > per day ! > Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, and joining forces with > those guys can multiple > That number by at least 20. > This is something worth thinking about. > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am hoping for more > opinions from the list > So we can decide. Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get multiple of 20 by sharing content with any popular portal. This is because those portals serve also people, who are not interested in Linux. The only portal, with which you should share content, is the home page of www.linux.org.il. This is the portal of choice for any Israeli, who is interested in Linux. --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was tempted to form their group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX Flavors Congress. Then they got lost in the labyrintine politics of the AHUFC. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of guy keren > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:14 PM > To: Amir Tal > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > number of hits > > per day ! Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, > and joining > > forces with those guys can multiple > > That number by at least 20. > > This is something worth thinking about. > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > hoping for more > > opinions from the list > > So we can decide. > > in that case, you should make a 'limited deal' with them. if > i were you, i'd make sure: > > 1. either side can break out of the deal within a given time > notice (e.g. >30 days). That should not be a problem (they said) > > 2. you keep the copyright for all the material, or otherwise > the original >posters do, but you certainly do not transfer copyright to that >commercial entity. > The deal is that they a re allowed to edit the content before publishing it. The do have to make sure users know where the Original came from, but what they are publishing does not have to match 100% to the original. What would you suggest for copyright in that case ? > 3. they cannot sue you if they are not satisfied - they at best can >terminate the agreement. ofcourse - this cannot include > cases when you >maliciously try to damage their business. > > 4. they put a link to your site, in a way that it'll be visible the >content comes from your site, not from their site (i.e. > even if you let >them copy the material from your site to their - you > should make sure >they somewhere mention the content is taken from your site). That is agreed. > > i'd also suggest using a 'slow start' on this - otherwise, > you might get overwhelmed with site management tasks. this > means they first don't advertise the site too much - only > after it starts gaining users and you both see you're up to > the task, push it forward. > This is a good idea. We need to keep in mind that we cannot deal with the site all day long (I wish I could), And considering the kind of traffic they are talking about (20,000 hits per day - at least) then we should definitely think about that. Thanks ;) > good luck > > -- > guy > > "For world domination - press 1, > or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: laptop for lend/rent needed
Sorry for being OT, but this list is my last hope for help (hope it doesn't sound too dramatic :-) ). I'm looking for someone in Jerusalem or Ashdod/Ashkelon or Holon/BatYam areas, who is willing to bo lend/rent/sell (really cheap) a laptop. I'll need it for the period between april, 7 till april, 30 (i'm going to "miluim" :-( ). A really old piece is OK, as long as it is capable to run some (STL supporting) c++ compiler and perform text-edditing. Thanks in advance Boris Gorelik = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Whatsup - Important updates
hi Omer about then number of hits you can see it by your own just going to our statistic page: http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the net and started publishing ... :-) -- Yehuda Drori http://whatsup.co.il On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > > exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get > > > is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge number of hits > > per day ! > > Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, and joining forces with > > those guys can multiple > > That number by at least 20. > > This is something worth thinking about. > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am hoping for more > > opinions from the list > > So we can decide. > > Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? > > If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) > specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get multiple of 20 by > sharing content with any popular portal. This is because those portals > serve also people, who are not interested in Linux. The only portal, > with which you should share content, is the home page of www.linux.org.il. > This is the portal of choice for any Israeli, who is interested in Linux. > > --- Omer > There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was tempted to form their > group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX Flavors Congress. Then > they got lost in the labyrintine politics of the AHUFC. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: tal@whatsup.co.il does not work
amir, your email address does not wrok. your mail server (at whatsup.co.il) does not recognize 'whatsup.co.il' as its own domain, and rejects email sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] you'd want to fix this. if you have a working email address, i could send you a bounce message's copy. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Omer Zak > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:37 PM > To: Linux-IL mailing list > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > > exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get > > > is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > number of hits > > per day ! Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, > and joining > > forces with those guys can multiple > > That number by at least 20. > > This is something worth thinking about. > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > hoping for more > > opinions from the list > > So we can decide. > > Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? Per day ;) > > If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) > specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get multiple > of 20 by sharing content with any popular portal. This is > because those portals serve also people, who are not > interested in Linux. The only portal, with which you should > share content, is the home page of www.linux.org.il. This is > the portal of choice for any Israeli, who is interested in Linux. > Well, we did post an announcement there when the site started, and we re on the "Israeli Resources" menu. I was thinking about giving IGLU the option of publishing out headlines on their main page. This kind of move can contribute both for us and IGLU. Slomi? Tzafrir ? How about it ? Tal. > --- Omer > There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was tempted to > form their group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX > Flavors Congress. Then they got lost in the labyrintine > politics of the AHUFC. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at > http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Uri Bruck > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Linux-IL mailing list > Subject: Re: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > Hello, > First, this only works with your org.il address, not with the > co.il addrees. Second, it doen't say what it is that you're > counting. All files, index files. Furthermore, the hourly > graphs says "visits" and the daily graph says "visitors." > It's entirely not the same thing, and the latter cannotbe > determined with accuracy. As an aside, the site is nice, but > I find the heblish on it quite off-putting. You state that > you're completely non-commercial The page about interspace > looks like you're offering a commercial service, or trying to > advertise one. However, there no differentiation between the > information provided there, and the information provided > anywhere else on the site. Is it a newsitem or what? > > In short, what's up with that? Uri, 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using actcom, because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the new ip. We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... It will be fixed soon. 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a competition here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the job as far as getting a perspective . 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as the services the site provides, we do not charge users for those services. We are acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it has nothing to do with the main purpose of the site. The only reason we accepted their request is because its Linux related, (it refers to hosting on Unix only) . I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, but I'm sure you understand what I mean. ;) Tal. > > > Thanks, > Uri > http://translation.israel.net > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: > > > > > hi Omer > > about then number of hits you can see it by your own just > going to our > > statistic page: > > http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php > > and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the > net and started > > publishing ... :-) > > > > -- > > Yehuda Drori > > http://whatsup.co.il > > > > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Shai Bentin > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > exclusivity > > > > > to them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, > > > > > then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > number of > > > > hits per day ! Currently, we get an average of > 1700-2000 hits, and > > > > joining forces with those guys can multiple > > > > That number by at least 20. > > > > This is something worth thinking about.. > > > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > hoping for more > > > > opinions from the list > > > > So we can decide. > > > > > > Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? > > > > > > If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) > > > specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get > multiple of 20 by > > > sharing content with any popular portal. This is because those > > > portals serve also people, who are not interested in Linux. The > > > only portal, with which you should share content, is the > home page > > > of www.linux.org.il. This is the portal of choice for any > Israeli, > > > who is interested in Linux. > > > > > > --- Omer > > > There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was > tempted to form > > > their group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX Flavors > > > Congress. Then they got lost in the labyrintine politics of the > > > AHUFC. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at > > > http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the > command echo > > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > Uri, > > 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using actcom, > because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the new ip. > We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... > It will be fixed soon. > > 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a competition > here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? > I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the job as far as > getting a perspective . I was talking about the perspective. If there is no indication what is being measures, or in this counted, then the numbers are meaningless. > here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? If I see stats I like to know what they're stats of. Otherwise, you might as well use warp factors, as you say, what's the difference? > > 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as the services > the site provides, we do not charge users for those services. > We are acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it has > nothing to do with the main purpose of the site. > The only reason we accepted their request is because its Linux related, > (it refers to hosting on Unix only) . > I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, but I'm sure you > understand what I mean. ;) Regardless of the stated of the stated purpose of the site, if you're dealers then you're some kind of a business entity. How you deal with that is your business, of course, but you give the impression of being a bit confused about the whole thing. Good Luck Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net > > Tal. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Uri > > http://translation.israel.net > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: > > > > > > > > hi Omer > > > about then number of hits you can see it by your own just > > going to our > > > statistic page: > > > http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php > > > and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the > > net and started > > > publishing ... :-) > > > > > > -- > > > Yehuda Drori > > > http://whatsup.co.il > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > Shai Bentin > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > exclusivity > > > > > > to them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, > > > > > > then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > > number of > > > > > hits per day ! Currently, we get an average of > > 1700-2000 hits, and > > > > > joining forces with those guys can multiple > > > > > That number by at least 20. > > > > > This is something worth thinking about.. > > > > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > > hoping for more > > > > > opinions from the list > > > > > So we can decide. > > > > > > > > Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? > > > > > > > > If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) > > > > specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get > > multiple of 20 by > > > > sharing content with any popular portal. This is because those > > > > portals serve also people, who are not interested in Linux. The > > > > only portal, with which you should share content, is the > > home page > > > > of www.linux.org.il. This is the portal of choice for any > > Israeli, > > > > who is interested in Linux. > > > > > > > > --- Omer > > > > There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was > > tempted to form > > > > their group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX Flavors > > > > Congress. Then they got lost in the labyrintine politics of the > > > > AHUFC. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at > > > > http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the > > command echo > > > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the > > > word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo > > > unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > =
Re: tal@whatsup.co.il does not work
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:30:45PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote: > It does work..i just sent myself several tests from yahoo, hotmail and > my account at work. > All good. > > Can you be more specific about the error you are getting ? [explanation sent in private. it has to do with the fact that whatsup.co.il used to be hosted at actcom and actcom wasn't notified that it's no longer hosted there]. -- The ill-formed Orange Fails to satisfy the eye: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ Segmentation fault. http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gdm and xdmcp
> > Hi > > I want to set up a linux workstation to allow logins either to local > users(preferably through gdm[1]) or to a remote server through XDMCP. > > Is it possible? > > Or is it possible to set a local "headless" xdm server and have the local > X server login to either localhost or remote_server ? > > (I tried both) > > What I could not figure out is how to set gdm to show the hosts chooser. > My current gdm.conf is attached. (Needless to say that I went over the > docs and somehowtos and some web searches). > > Any idea on how to enable it or what else I'm doing wrong? > Does http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/chooser.html relevant to your case? > > [1] I saw in kdm's configuration directory a README which mentions that > KDM's configurations is auto-generated from the files under > /etc/X11/xdm. > I couldn't figure out when this is supposed to happen, and which > config files I'm supposed to edit, so I switched to gdm. Xdm (and Wdm) > are generally much less fun to work with) > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > > > -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- > -- File: gdm.conf > > [daemon] > AutomaticLoginEnable=false > AutomaticLogin= > AlwaysRestartServer=false > Configurator=/usr/sbin/gdmconfig --disable-sound --disable-crash-dialog > GnomeDefaultSession=/usr/share/gnome/default.session > Chooser=/usr/bin/gdmchooser --disable-sound --disable-crash-dialog > DefaultPath=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin > DisplayInitDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Init > Greeter=/usr/bin/gdmlogin --disable-sound --disable-crash-dialog > Group=gdm > HaltCommand=/sbin/shutdown -h now > KillInitClients=true > LogDir=/var/lib/gdm > PidFile=/var/run/gdm.pid > PostSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/ > PreSessionScriptDir=/etc/X11/gdm/PreSession/ > FailsafeXServer= > XKeepsCrashing=/etc/X11/gdm/XKeepsCrashing > XKeepsCrashingConfigurators=/usr/sbin/XFdrake /usr/bin/X11/XF86Setup >/usr/bin/X11/Xconfigurator > RebootCommand=/sbin/shutdown -r now > RootPath=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin > ServAuthDir=/var/lib/gdm > SessionDir=/etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ > SuspendCommand= > User=gdm > UserAuthDir= > UserAuthFBDir=/tmp > UserAuthFile=.Xauthority > TimedLoginEnable=false > TimedLogin= > TimedLoginDelay=30 > StandardXServer=/usr/bin/X11/X > FlexibleXServers=5 > Xnest=/usr/bin/X11/Xnest -name Xnest > > [security] > AllowRoot=false > AllowRemoteRoot=false > AllowRemoteAutoLogin=false > RelaxPermissions=0 > RetryDelay=3 > UserMaxFile=65536 > SessionMaxFile=524388 > VerboseAuth=true > > [xdmcp] > Enable=true > HonorIndirect=true > MaxPending=4 > MaxPendingIndirect=4 > MaxSessions=16 > MaxWait=30 > MaxWaitIndirect=30 > DisplaysPerHost=1 > Port=177 > Willing=/etc/X11/gdm/Xwilling > > [gui] > GtkRC= > MaxIconWidth=128 > MaxIconHeight=128 > > [greeter] > TitleBar=true > ConfigAvailable=true > Browser=true > DefaultFace=/usr/share/mdk/faces/user-default-mdk.png > DefaultLocale=he > >Exclude=bin,daemon,adm,lp,sync,shutdown,halt,mail,news,uucp,operator,nobody,gdm,postgres,pvm,games,gopher,sympa,squid,mysql,postfix,xfs,nobody,apache,zope,ldap,fcron,root,mulix,shlomif,dictd,zev,htdig,azvi > Font=-*-arial-bold-r-normal-*-*-180-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8,* > GlobalFaceDir=/usr/share/faces/ > Icon=/usr/share/pixmaps/gdm.xpm > LocaleFile=/etc/X11/gdm/locale.alias > Logo=/usr/share/pixmaps/gdm-screen.png > Quiver=true > SystemMenu=true > Welcome=Welcome to %n > Welcome[es]=Bienvenido a %n > Welcome[de]=Willkommen auf %n > Welcome[fr]=Bienvenue sur %n > Welcome[cs]=Vítejte na %n > Welcome[no]=Velkommen til %n > Welcome[nn]=Velkomen til %n > Welcome[he]=%n-ì íéàáä íéëåøá > LockPosition=false > SetPosition=false > PositionX=0 > PositionY=0 > XineramaScreen=0 > #Type can be 0=None, 1=Image, 2=Color > BackgroundType=2 > BackgroundImage= > BackgroundScaleToFit=true > BackgroundColor=#21449c > BackgroundRemoteOnlyColor=true > BackgroundProgram= > ShowGnomeChooserSession=true > ShowGnomeFailsafeSession=false > ShowXtermFailsafeSession=true > > [chooser] > DefaultHostImg=/usr/share/pixmaps/nohost.png > HostImageDir=/usr/share/hosts/ > ScanTime=3 > Hosts=localhost,csd.cs.technion.ac.il,csa.ac.technion.ac.il > Broadcast=yes > > [debug] > Enable=true > > [servers] > 0=Standard vt7 > #1=Standard > #Note: If you want to make sure X runs on a specific virtual console on linux, > # you can use the following (for console 7): > #0=Standard vt7 > > [server-Standard] > name=Standard server > command=/usr/bin/X11/X > flexible=true > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(at-no-spam)bezeqint.net Please substitute (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character.
Some clarifications !
Ok, so let's re-arrange and clarify things : We are a private organization (not registered for now) and the hosting part is a separate part of what we mainly want to deal with. We had an offer - we took it. That simple. I don't see how's that interfering with everything else. Do you see banners and pop-up's at the main page ? Maybe we should move the hosting to another, less obvious part of the site. I think people got the picture (I hope) of what we are and what we are trying to deliver. And if not : Our purpose is to bring the community translated news and free support environment for Linux. That is all. We felt that there is a need, mainly by newbie's, to get news and support in their native language, and since no one done it before, we did. We are paying from our personal pockets for hosting the site, and putting all of our time and efforts into it, and its all done for the community. We don't make money off this, and for now, we don't intend to. This is what I mean when I say "non-commercial" . I hope you anderstand the diference. If the hosting page conflicts with that - sorry. Tal. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Uri Bruck > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 'Linux-IL mailing list' > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > Uri, > > > > 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using > > actcom, because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the > > new ip. We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... It will be > > fixed soon. > > > > 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a > > competition here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the > difference ? > > I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the > job as far > > as getting a perspective . > I was talking about the perspective. If there is no > indication what is being measures, or in this counted, then > the numbers are meaningless. > > here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? > If I see stats I like to know what they're stats of. > Otherwise, you might as well use warp factors, as you say, > what's the difference? > > > > > 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as > the services > > the site provides, we do not charge users for those > services. We are > > acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it > has nothing > > to do with the main purpose of the site. The only reason we > accepted > > their request is because its Linux related, (it refers to > hosting on > > Unix only) . I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, > > but I'm sure you understand what I mean. ;) > > Regardless of the stated of the stated purpose of the site, > if you're dealers then you're some kind of a business entity. > How you deal with that is your business, of course, but you > give the impression of being a bit confused about the whole thing. > > Good Luck > Thanks, > Uri > http://translation.israel.net > > > > > > Tal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Uri > > > http://translation.israel.net > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hi Omer > > > > about then number of hits you can see it by your own just > > > going to our > > > > statistic page: > > > > http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php > > > > and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the > > > net and started > > > > publishing ... :-) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Yehuda Drori > > > > http://whatsup.co.il > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > Shai Bentin > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > > exclusivity > > > > > > > to them? There must be something. If all you get is > > > > > > > exposure, > > > > > > > then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge > > > number of > > > > > > hits per day ! Currently, we get an average of > > > 1700-2000 hits, and > > > > > > joining forces with those guys can multiple > > > > > > That number by at least 20. > > > > > > This is something worth thinking about.. > > > > > > Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am > > > hoping for more > > > > > > opinions from the list > > > > > > So we can decide. > > > > > > > > > > Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? > > > > > > > > > > If per day, then this is very respectable figure for > (currently) > > > > > specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'l
Re: Some clarifications !
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > Ok, so let's re-arrange and clarify things : > We are a private organization (not registered for now) and the hosting > part is a separate part of what we mainly want to deal with. > We had an offer - we took it. That simple. > I don't see how's that interfering with everything else. Do you see > banners and pop-up's at the main page ? I didn't say it was interfering with anything. I was asking what's what. I don't think banners would interfere with anything either, if you wanted to have them there. > Maybe we should move the hosting to another, less obvious part of the > site. It just needs to be clarified a bit on the site. Something like "whatsup.org.il is an interspace dealer ..." etc. As long as everything is up front why should there be a conflict? Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net > > I think people got the picture (I hope) of what we are and what we are > trying to deliver. And if not : > > Our purpose is to bring the community translated news and free support > environment for Linux. That is all. > We felt that there is a need, mainly by newbie's, to get news and > support in their native language, and since no one done it before, we > did. > We are paying from our personal pockets for hosting the site, and > putting all of our time and efforts into it, and its all done for the > community. > We don't make money off this, and for now, we don't intend to. This is > what I mean when I say "non-commercial" . > I hope you anderstand the diference. > If the hosting page conflicts with that - sorry. > > Tal. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Uri Bruck > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:33 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: 'Linux-IL mailing list' > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > Uri, > > > > > > 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using > > > actcom, because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the > > > new ip. We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... It will be > > > fixed soon. > > > > > > 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a > > > competition here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the > > difference ? > > > I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the > > job as far > > > as getting a perspective . > > I was talking about the perspective. If there is no > > indication what is being measures, or in this counted, then > > the numbers are meaningless. > > > here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? > > If I see stats I like to know what they're stats of. > > Otherwise, you might as well use warp factors, as you say, > > what's the difference? > > > > > > > > 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as > > the services > > > the site provides, we do not charge users for those > > services. We are > > > acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it > > has nothing > > > to do with the main purpose of the site. The only reason we > > accepted > > > their request is because its Linux related, (it refers to > > hosting on > > > Unix only) . I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, > > > but I'm sure you understand what I mean. ;) > > > > Regardless of the stated of the stated purpose of the site, > > if you're dealers then you're some kind of a business entity. > > How you deal with that is your business, of course, but you > > give the impression of being a bit confused about the whole thing. > > > > Good Luck > > Thanks, > > Uri > > http://translation.israel.net > > > > > > > > > > Tal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Uri > > > > http://translation.israel.net > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi Omer > > > > > about then number of hits you can see it by your own just > > > > going to our > > > > > statistic page: > > > > > http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php > > > > > and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the > > > > net and started > > > > > publishing ... :-) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Yehuda Drori > > > > > http://whatsup.co.il > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > > Shai Bentin > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving > > > > exclusivity > > > > > > > > to them? There must be something. If all you get is > > > > > > > > exposure, > > > > > > > > then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPIN
RE: tal@whatsup.co.il does not work
Dialing to actcom > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of mulix > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:50 PM > To: Amir Tal > Cc: 'guy keren'; 'Linux-IL Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not work > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 07:30:45PM +0200, Amir Tal wrote: > > It does work..i just sent myself several tests from yahoo, > hotmail and > > my account at work. All good. > > > > Can you be more specific about the error you are getting ? > > [explanation sent in private. it has to do with the fact that > whatsup.co.il used to be hosted at actcom and actcom wasn't > notified that it's no longer hosted there]. > -- > The ill-formed Orange > Fails to satisfy the eye: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ > Segmentation fault. http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run > the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JLC First Meeting - Final !!
>for those of us who doesn't have cars I think busses 35,36,32,16 are getting there (not sure about 16) non of the busses >enters inside so be ready for some walk 11,35,36,39, not 32 Vitaly = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
