Re: FW: Fixed IP
On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 11:27:12PM +0200, Volkind Danny wrote: > If you are connecting with a dial up, then it's more expensive, because > there is much more configuration to it... As in making the RADIUS server send a Framed-IP-Address = 1.2.3.4 parameter for the user? -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compaq Smart Arrray 3200 and Linux
Hi All, Did any of you people ever install linux on a compaq DL380 machine, with a Smart Array controller 3200 ? It appears to discover only the RAID1 drives, while the RAID 5 drives can't be seen, any oideas ? Best regards, Nir Simionovich, GoldenLines ISP Dev. Team SAIR/GNU Certified LCA (447614) artNET experts Ltd. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fixed IP
Hi, I know that if you are connected to an ISP by a permanent line (Frame Relay,Sifranet etc). the ISP usually supplies ip addresses without problems and by demand. I know that Netvision work like this, and I am pretty sure that Internet gold work the same. If you are connecting with a dial up, then it's more expensive, because there is much more configuration to it... --- !!! Sex is like NOKIA (Connecting People), like NIKE (Just Do It) like PEPSI (ask for more) and like FANTA (Share the Fun) !!! --- _|_|_ Best Regard's , ( ) * /v\ / Danny Volkind /( )X (m_m) "Short people also make | | long shadows,when the | (_)_ __sun is sinking..." | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | | | | | |_| |> < |_)_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dani Arbel Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fixed IP Hetz, in view of the ip shortage, 99$ sounds cheap (unless it is a monthly fee...) Actcom, last I asked, were giving away ip's for ADSL subscribers (till end of the pool). Hurry! Dani On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, > I was wondering if anyone knows about a company or a web > site that I can buy 1 fixed IP for a reasonable price. > I just heard from someone who called Internet Zahav and > they asked for 99$! thats around 450 NIS for a single IP > while they get the IP's almost freely from RIPE NCC! > > Any suggestions? > > Hetz > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fixed IP issue - explanation
Hi, Few people emailed me about the Static IP - seems that I didn't explain myself well... When I talked to Internet Zahav and they asked 99$ for a fixed IP - it was 99$ per month!. Now - I want this IP for one of my machines at home - so it could be a web/mail/ftp/ssh server - I usually get around 300-400 emails daily (I'm subscribed to lots of open source projects).. Indeed, Actcom gives a fixed IP, but The technical support there doesn't really understand the ADSL issue. When I'm getting a fixed IP from them - I need the default gateway and subnet mask - and they failed to give it. They also mentioned that when you move your ADSL to another location - your IP will be changed. Thanks - but no thanks. The other problem with Actcom is their ADSL bandwidth - 2 Megabit. Just a small reminder - Bezeq give you a 2 Megabit connection at home with ADSL - so 2 Mbit connection to several hundreds ADSL modems doesn't sound to me that good... - I hope they'll raise their capacity soon (and lower their price - 50$ after 2 months with that small bandwidth they got? they got to be kidding..) Netvision - so far, no official word about ADSL subscription yet. I heard about some experiments their making, but you still cannot buy subscription services.. Bezeq Benleumi - nice bandwidth outside Israel, and very bad connection within IIX (I've been bugging them for this problem for a year now - so far - no solution from them yet). They do, however - sell a fixed IP for $7 a month. Now, with this situation - I would like to ask: does anyone have a comment or 2 about using mail server with dynamic IP and a dynamic DNS registeration service (a.k.a DYNDNS.ORG, DYNIP.COM)? is it pretty reliable? Also, anyone knows who offers a mail relay service? (I mean a service that in case my mail server is dead due to disconnection - another mail server will get the mail until the other mail server is up).. Thanks, -- Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mail Routing from iglu.org.il to the Technion.
Sorry for the off-topic but because of that problem I found it inefficent to discuss it on a mailing-list run by iglu.org.il. Anyway, while sending messages from the Technio to iglu.org.il's mailing lists seems to be working fine, I seem to receive those same messages after a very long time. Why is that? HTTP and SSH connectivity to iglu.org.il is perfectly fine. Maybe something is wrong with Actcom. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of converting any statement that follows it into a true one. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Console problem
Hi list. I have this wierd problem with my console (on Mandrake 7.2) - after typing away at the console for a while (a few minutes), my screen goes blank - like the screensaver that normally kicks in after a few minutes of inactivity ? but this happens while I'm working, and after it kicks in - I can't turn it off by moviing my mouse or typing stuff - instead I have to switch to the graphical console or the aurora console (which is also graphical), and back again. any idea why ? also - Just noticed that there's a linux driver for a PSX joystick - http://freshmeat.net/projects/advancedplaystationjoystick . does anyone knows if this is in the main source tree (the driver is quite old), and if so - how the %$#@ do you connect a PSX joystick to a PC ?!? (I want to try it out :-) Oded .. Few things are harder to put up with than a good example. -- Mark Twain = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, guy keren wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote: > > > The ipchains HOWTO contains an example firewall configuration with > > separate chains defined for each triple of source network, destination > > network and direction. That is, there are chains "net-dmz", "dmz-net", > > "net-int", "int-net", "int-dmz" and "dmz-int". Is there any really good > > reason not to simply leave all of rules in the forward chain? What do you > > gain by splitting the forward rules into so many separate chains? > > i haven't read the howto, so i'm just plain old edu-guessing, based on my > experience with playing with various odd features of ipchains. the split > into several chains ought to make the "code" easier to read and maintain, > much like a program's source code is broken down into functions (each > chain is the equivalent of a function call, more or less). Sticking to that metaphore, also think about "code reuse" > > computation-wise, there is no extra functionality gained by splitting the > rules into seperate chains. i would guess that some security experts would > advise against using several chains, using their rule that you can't > achive good security in a complex system, and when you keep the rules in a > single chain, you can see them all together, which is important, too. Technically, there may be: If you want to apply some rules to part of the packets, you can send them to a seperate chain. Thus you don't have to spesify the selection criteria for this group of packet on every rule you apply to this group. Although I believe this gain would be neglectable in almost any setting. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
"Dvir Ben-Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you have any comments about the current poll, its results, or > ideas for the next polls (detailed or even in general), please mail > me directly to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Whatever this poll is, it is practically useless for those of us who did not bother / have no time / have no need to teach their Linux boxes Hebrew. I suspect there are quite a few of us clowns, and whatever interesting data you get from the poll will be biased in this respect -- Oleg Goldshmidt | Comgates Ltd. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." [Shakespeare] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fixed IP
Hi, Sorry sir, but what you're saying could definately misslead people - but what You're saying is TOTALLY NOT TRUE! I used to work at ISDN Net when it was existed (before Bezeq International bought them) - and the hostmaster (or whoever is in charge for creating users) need to do is: 1. Create the user/pass 2. Assign the IP for this specific users so the servers (RADIUS) should assign the fixed IP to him/her when the user connect. 3. Update the ISP's DNS servers about the IP (if the user request a DNS modifications) All this work takes without any automatic scripts - something like 2 minutes to do. I know that because I did it hundreds of times for ISDN Net users. Hetz Volkind Danny wrote: > > Hi, > I know that if you are connected to an ISP by a permanent line (Frame > Relay,Sifranet etc). the ISP usually supplies ip addresses without problems > and by demand. I know that Netvision work like this, and I am pretty sure > that Internet gold work the same. > If you are connecting with a dial up, then it's more expensive, because > there is much more configuration to it... > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Adi Stav wrote:
> Hmm. How is that different from from creating custom chains in
> ipchains and sending packets from one chain to another?
with chains - when one chain matched a rule, then its action is taken
place, and no more rule matching is performed on that packet from the
chains (there might be some strange thing regarding forwarded packet being
also processes by output rules, but then you don't distinguish between
forwarded packets and localy emitted packets).
with tables, you have two built-in tables for each of INPUT, OUTPUT and
FORWARD. after a packet was fully handled by the 1st table (the one used
for NAT in the FORWARD rules), the new (possibly modified) packet is then
processes by the second table ('filter' in the case of the FORWARD rules).
this is functionally different.
--
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or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy
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Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og the world...)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So why even talk proudly about supporting Linux for money? Why not? What's wrong with it? Last time I checked the backbone of the business models of many, if not most Linux-related companies was getting paid for providing Linux support. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | Comgates Ltd. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." [Shakespeare] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 10:01:07AM +0200, guy keren wrote: > btw, in the new kernel (2.4), where netfilter is used, there is a new > notion of tables. unlike usage of multiple chains, usage of multiple > tables does add extra functionality, in that it allows you to have one set > of rules perform a complete "computation", and then the packets coming out > of it are re-processed by the rules in a second table. i already so a case > where this allowed for more functionality then s possible using kernel > 2.2's chains. Hmm. How is that different from from creating custom chains in ipchains and sending packets from one chain to another? - Adi Stav = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fixed IP
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Bezeq Int. gives one Perm IP for $15 per month.. not that expensive > True, as far as I know. Do they do this with ADSL? Does NezeqInt even provide ADSL? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot
On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 06:43:40PM +, Manor G. wrote: > Hi, > Boot using your bootdisk, login as root and reinstall lilo, > you can do that by using the command 'lilo' > if you get an error, or if you feel you need reconfiguration, > i suggest using `liloconfig`, which is easy to use, or, do it manually. > > this problem occurs sometimes when you don't reinstall lilo after you rebuilt or > upgraded your kernel, but thats not your case i guess. Also possible is the 1024 cylinder limit in old LILOs. If nothing else helps, try getting a new LILO that does not have that limit (sorry, I don't remember which version solved the problem). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest of the world...)
Support for money is better then no support at all. AFAIK netvision supports linux for their subscribers as part of the normal service (that is - no extra charge), and also offer support for non-subscribers for a fee, or per incident. This is, IMHO, the best offer that you can get, considering it's a commercialy oriented firm, and not some do-good friendly volunteer organization, and definetly the best offer you can get in Israel (not sure about the rest of the world, but I feel like Netvision would rank high globaly) There's a maxim in hebrew, which does not translate so well into english, about not asking for the whole thing when you're offered a piece ;-) Oded p.s. - why didn't anyone fix the typo in the subject line ? :o) -- "I used to get high on life but lately I've built up a resistance." - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Arie Vayner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 00:27 Subject: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og the world...) > - Original Message - > From: Jonathan Ben-Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Arie Vayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 7:38 AM > Subject: RE: iix and the rest og the world... > > > > On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Arie Vayner wrote: > > > Hi Guys, > > > Try using Netvision... > > > We even have a linux support team... > > > Arie > > Kick this chap off the list. This is not an appropriate venue for > > advertisements. > > - yba > > here is a story.. wheni bought my first modem (hsp.. 2 years ago) I was > first connected the the womderfull world of the internet. > > I had some problems with my modem (the good knowen strings parameters of HSP > modems) so, I called Netvision support for help. A nice chick there helped > me a lot (sorry but I cannot remember her name) and we had a very large > conversation of linux ( 1- I was on win98, 2- it was before I installed > linux). She even ofered me help with it (if I install). A few months ago a > friend of mine installed linux too (he was sick of seeing the bios using > windows) and he needed help with configuring the ppp. He called Netvision > support. He even would got help if he was at home (but that is another > story). > A few weeks I called the Netvision support for that mather too, and theyre > sesponce was that they support linux only if I pay... make up your mind.. > > BTW: Internet zahav does not support linux at all. > > So why even talk proudly about supporting Linux for money? > > > - Diego > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og theworld...)
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > A few weeks I called the Netvision support for that mather too, and theyre > sesponce was that they support linux only if I pay... make up your mind.. > > BTW: Internet zahav does not support linux at all. > > So why even talk proudly about supporting Linux for money? > Because not too many people use Linux in order for having Linux support persons be affordable to the ISPs. If more people used it, it would have been. Of course, this requires that Linux supports Hebrew better, so if you care for such matters - Hack on! And please, don't complain. Even support for money is better than nothing, because support FYI costs quite a bit. According to a Compaq survey it's something like $40 per phone call. (Eli Marmor, please correct me if I got the numbers wrong). Regards, Shlomi Fish > > - Diego > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of converting any statement that follows it into a true one. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Alex Shnitman wrote: > Hi, guy! > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 10:01:07AM +0200, you wrote the following: > > > btw, in the new kernel (2.4), where netfilter is used, there is a new > > notion of tables. unlike usage of multiple chains, usage of multiple > > tables does add extra functionality, in that it allows you to have one set > > of rules perform a complete "computation", and then the packets coming out > > of it are re-processed by the rules in a second table. i already so a case > > where this allowed for more functionality then s possible using kernel > > 2.2's chains. > > I'm really curious -- like what? > > Or where can I read about it? Start with what the author wrote: http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/unreliable-guides/index.html -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot
> Also possible is the 1024 cylinder limit in old LILOs. If nothing else > helps, try getting a new LILO that does not have that limit (sorry, I > don't remember which version solved the problem). > LILO 26.1 (or 0.26.1 - donno whats going on with the names) - should do the trick - and this LILO even supports boot from ReiserFS partitions... But don't install the RPM unless you backup the /etc/lilo.conf file first - it seems that the RPM for it just erases this file.. -- Hetz Ben Hamo Hardware Research dept. Aduva Inc. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Compaq Smart Arrray 3200 and Linux
Hi, I've worked with those machines. You have to purchase specifically "RAID option". Otherwise you just get regular disks. Alex Rier | ICQ:96993521 Unix/Linux Consultant | Tel: +972-52-442549 Breakthrough Ltd. | FAX: +972-3-5364060 http://www.sysadmin.co.il | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nir Simionovich (Rin > Solo) > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 3:16 PM > To: Linux-Il@Linux. Org. Il (E-mail) > Subject: Compaq Smart Arrray 3200 and Linux > > > Hi All, > > Did any of you people ever install linux on a compaq DL380 machine, with > a Smart Array controller 3200 ? It appears to discover only the RAID1 > drives, while the RAID 5 drives can't be seen, any oideas ? > > Best regards, > Nir Simionovich, GoldenLines ISP Dev. Team > SAIR/GNU Certified LCA (447614) > artNET experts Ltd. > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
On 1 Jan 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > "Dvir Ben-Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you have any comments about the current poll, its results, or > > ideas for the next polls (detailed or even in general), please mail > > me directly to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . Actually, there should have been more age ranges below 30. > > Whatever this poll is, itis practically useless for those of us who > did not bother / have no time / have no need to teach their Linux > boxes Hebrew. I suspect there are quite a few of us clowns, and > whatever interesting data you get from the poll will be biased in this > respect And if you run it in english it would be biased as well, because some people wouldn't bother reading it. A small tip: xterm -fn heb8x13 -e lynx (then go to options, and set "raw 8bit display" to "on", or something similar) This is the simplest. As for netscape: see http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/61.html (apply the turkish patch, and things will be much simpler) Anyway, from the current results: How much hebrew is there in your system: 35.25% none 37.41% hebrew fonts for a web browser 14.39% writing hebrew in several programs 12.95% applications with hebrew supoprt So it can't be that biased... Tzafrir (of the 12.95%) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community": > On 1 Jan 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > Whatever this poll is, itis practically useless for those of us who > > did not bother / have no time / have no need to teach their Linux > > boxes Hebrew. I suspect there are quite a few of us clowns, and > > whatever interesting data you get from the poll will be biased in this > > respect > > How much hebrew is there in your system: > > 35.25% none > 37.41% hebrew fonts for a web browser > 14.39% writing hebrew in several programs > 12.95% applications with hebrew supoprt > > So it can't be that biased... How can it be that 35% of the people don't even have hebrew fonts for a web browser, yet they answered this poll??? The only explanetation I can think of is that people use Linux, but surf the web from Windows... :( -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jan 1 2001, 7 Tevet 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |If at first you don't succeed, skydiving http://nadav.harel.org.il |is not for you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot
On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:35:57AM +0200, Adi Stav wrote: > Also possible is the 1024 cylinder limit in old LILOs. If nothing else > helps, try getting a new LILO that does not have that limit (sorry, I > don't remember which version solved the problem). The problem is when "LI" is displayed and "LO" isn't, is when LI (which the master boot record BIOS loaded) cannot load it's 2nd part LO (with a BIOS disk read call). When SCSI and IDE discs are used together, sometimes /sbin/lilo gets the BIOS disk IDs wrong, and writes a boot record with the wrong parameters, so that when the "LI" boot record tries to load the "LO" part, it issues a BIOS call with the wrong disc ID (cause when /sbin/lilo ran, it thought /dev/sda is 0x81, not 0x80) and hangs. Read 'man lilo' and follow the example for the 'disk' parameter. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Fixed IP issue - explanation
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Indeed, Actcom gives a fixed IP, but The technical support there doesn't really > understand the ADSL issue. When I'm getting a fixed IP from them - I need the > default gateway and subnet mask - and they failed to give it. They also > mentioned that when you move your ADSL to another location - your IP will be > changed. Thanks - but no thanks. I think it is you who don't "understand the ADSL issue". Corrent me if I'm wrong but when you connect via ADSL as it is used in Israel you're connecting by use of PPPOE over ATM (yes, the ADSL "modem" simulates Ethernet for your computer. Ignore that.) This means that like a "dial up" PPP connection you'll get those parameters from the PPP server of the other side during the LCP phase of PPP (assuming PPPOE works like PPP). > The other problem with Actcom is their ADSL bandwidth - 2 Megabit. Just a small > reminder - Bezeq give you a 2 Megabit connection at home with ADSL - so 2 Mbit > connection to several hundreds ADSL modems doesn't sound to me that good... - I > hope they'll raise their capacity soon (and lower their price - 50$ after 2 > months with that small bandwidth they got? they got to be kidding..) Don't know where you got your numbers from, but Actcom sells 256k/128k (downstream/upstream) ADSL connections. The fact that you can get more bandwidth from ADSL technology is completly irelveant. I don't know where you got the 2 Megabit number from (in realtions to the amount of bandwidth Actcom allocates for it's ADSL users) either. I am not, not have I ever been an Actcom employee, investor or some such. I have been using Actcom for years now, and AFAIK they are one of the more cluefull and professional ISPs in Israel and I've thought of getting in on their ADSL deal myself. Care to share with us the source of your info? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://benyossef.com :: +972(54)756701 "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, while interrupts are disabled. " -- Murphey's law of kernel programing. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about "Re: The first poll about the >Israeli linux community": > > On 1 Jan 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > > Whatever this poll is, itis practically useless for those of us who > > > did not bother / have no time / have no need to teach their Linux > > > boxes Hebrew. I suspect there are quite a few of us clowns, and > > > whatever interesting data you get from the poll will be biased in this > > > respect > > > > How much hebrew is there in your system: > > > > 35.25% none > > 37.41% hebrew fonts for a web browser > > 14.39% writing hebrew in several programs > > 12.95% applications with hebrew supoprt > > > > So it can't be that biased... > > How can it be that 35% of the people don't even have hebrew fonts for a web > browser, yet they answered this poll??? > The only explanetation I can think of is that people use Linux, but surf > the web from Windows... :( > Kill me for: 1. Having a 2500KB Quota in my X-Windows account in the Technion. 2. Having a machine at home which I share with my family, which runs Windows. (and not setting up our ADSL connection for Linux yet) I surf the web using Linux, but I stay away of Hebrew sites. So, that's the situation for now. Regards, Shlomi Fish > -- > Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jan 1 2001, 7 Tevet 5761 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- > Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |If at first you don't succeed, skydiving > http://nadav.harel.org.il |is not for you. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of converting any statement that follows it into a true one. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A small tip: > > > > xterm -fn heb8x13 -e lynx > > I find the assumption that everyone here use X appalling. OK. Something for the linux console: In many cases the default font of the system already contains hebrew characters, and no extra settings are needed [is that correct?]. However: consolechars -f iso08.f16 -m iso08 lynx Should work on most cases. If you run lynx from a remote terminal, of some other OS, then you should set the hebrew support in the terminal emulation. But this is off-topic here... -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fixed IP
Nezekint do provide adsl, but no fixed ip for adsl..(the claim its "impossibe")... the price for fixed ip there is 7$ and not 15$, and its not implemented to adsl yet... actcom though, do supply fixed ip for adsl. 30$ for the 2 first monthes, and 49$ from the 3rd month on... they have kinda poor bandwidth, but untill now i had no problems downloading at 200k from iix, and at 100-120k from the rest of the world. i tried internet gold to, and they seem to have a lot of disconnection problems...apps like icq dont mannage to keep alive for more then 10 min, while this problem does not happen with actcom or netvision. bottom line - i think actcom are small, but they provide good service with reasonable prices, and a fixed ip address. On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Marc A. Volovic wrote: > Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 08:30:41 +0200 > From: Marc A. Volovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fixed IP > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Bezeq Int. gives one Perm IP for $15 per month.. not that expensive > > > > True, as far as I know. Do they do this with ADSL? > Does NezeqInt even provide ADSL? > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- _|_|_ Best Regard's , ( ) * Amir Tal, /v\ / System Administrator /( )XIntercomp Ltd. (m_m) fax : 09-9526170 | |ICQ : 15748705 | (_)_ __ Office : 09-9526993. | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | | | | | |_| |> < |_)_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\ visit us at www.legacy2web.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fixed IP
Israeli Internet eXchange (IIX) The Israeli Internet eXchange is the central meeting point of the Internet Service Providers in Israel. Its purpose is to route all intra-Israel Internet traffic, among the operators, as efficiently as possible. On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Tizmo wrote: > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:15:19 +0200 > From: Tizmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tal Amir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Fixed IP > > i have nothing to say about the subject.. i am using cable and i think cable > in israel is much better the adsl in israel. > but one thing i cant understand.. what the hell is "iix". > please tell me, thanks. > > - Original Message - > From: "Tal Amir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Marc A. Volovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: Fixed IP > > > > Nezekint do provide adsl, but no fixed ip for adsl..(the claim its > > "impossibe")... > > > > the price for fixed ip there is 7$ and not 15$, and its not implemented to > > adsl yet... > > > > actcom though, do supply fixed ip for adsl. 30$ for the 2 first monthes, > > and 49$ from the 3rd month on... they have kinda poor bandwidth, but > > untill now i had no problems downloading at 200k from iix, and at 100-120k > > from the rest of the world. > > > > i tried internet gold to, and they seem to have a lot of disconnection > > problems...apps like icq dont mannage to keep alive for more then 10 min, > > while this problem does not happen with actcom or netvision. > > > > bottom line - i think actcom are small, but they provide good service with > > reasonable prices, and a fixed ip address. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Marc A. Volovic wrote: > > > > > Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 08:30:41 +0200 > > > From: Marc A. Volovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Fixed IP > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Bezeq Int. gives one Perm IP for $15 per month.. not that expensive > > > > > > > > > > True, as far as I know. Do they do this with ADSL? > > > Does NezeqInt even provide ADSL? > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > > > _|_|_Best Regard's , > > ( ) * Amir Tal, > > /v\ / System Administrator > > /( )XIntercomp Ltd. > > (m_m) fax : 09-9526170 > > | |ICQ : 15748705 > > | (_)_ __ Office : 09-9526993. > > | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / > > | | | | | | |_| |> < > > |_)_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\ > > visit us at www.legacy2web.com. > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- _|_|_ Best Regard's , ( ) * Amir Tal, /v\ / System Administrator /( )XIntercomp Ltd. (m_m) fax : 09-9526170 | |ICQ : 15748705 | (_)_ __ Office : 09-9526993. | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | | | | | | |_| |> < |_)_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\ visit us at www.legacy2web.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
áòðééï: Compaq Smart Arrray 3200 and Linux
Hi, Which llinux version are you using and from which provider? I spoked with Compaq and need this info in order to help you. Regards, Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Nir Simionovich (Rin Solo) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> àì: Linux-Il@Linux. Org. Il (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> úàøéê: éåí ùðé 01 éðåàø 2001 17:18 ðåùà: Compaq Smart Arrray 3200 and Linux >Hi All, > > Did any of you people ever install linux on a compaq DL380 machine, with >a Smart Array controller 3200 ? It appears to discover only the RAID1 >drives, while the RAID 5 drives can't be seen, any oideas ? > >Best regards, > Nir Simionovich, GoldenLines ISP Dev. Team > SAIR/GNU Certified LCA (447614) > artNET experts Ltd. > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >= >To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command >echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fixed IP
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry sir, but what you're saying could definately misslead people - but what > You're saying is TOTALLY NOT TRUE! > > I used to work at ISDN Net when it was existed (before Bezeq International > bought them)- and the hostmaster (or whoever is in charge for creating users) > need to do is: > > 1. Create the user/pass > 2. Assign the IP for this specific users so the servers (RADIUS) should assign > the fixed IP to him/her when the user connect. > 3. Update the ISP's DNS servers about the IP (if the userrequest a DNS > modifications) > > All this work takes without any automatic scripts - something like 2 minutes to > do. I know that because I did it hundreds of times for ISDN Net users. While this seems to be trivial to the naive admin. There are some less trivial issues involved. These are: . Reasonable (OSPF, IS-IS, EIGRP) routing protocol support in your RAS. . OSPF/EIGRP/IS-IS convergence of the routing information about your IP number over the entire ISP cloud. . Dynamic /32 routes. . /32 networks. Now, assigning 255.255.255.254 to your user (which tells the RAS to assign from its local IP number pool, which can be routed staticly to the RAS) is much more simple to maintain, routing wise. And I'm not saying this is impossible, only that it requires some carefull planning (more than just putting it in the RADIUS config file). Apparently, ISDNet had taken the time to solve these issues. > Hetz > > Volkind Danny wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I know that if you are connected to an ISP by a permanent line (Frame > > Relay,Sifranet etc). the ISP usually supplies ip addresses without problems > > and by demand. I know that Netvision work like this, and I am pretty sure > > that Internet gold work the same. > > If you are connecting with a dial up, then it's more expensive, because > > there is much more configuration to it... > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yaron. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Admin Big-Brother tools
Hi, I am looking for a linux tool which enables root to spy on and intervene in a user's session (sorta like kibitz), but without him or her doing anything, and even without their knowing of it. Also, in addition to that, I am looking for a session logging tool, which logs either keystrokes or screenfuls (or both) into a log file under root permissions. Ofcourse the tools should be free. Do you know where I could find such tools? Alon - if you cut here, you'll probably destroy your monitor -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Admin Big-Brother tools
ttysnoop allows you to spy on telnet connections. it wont work on SSH tho (its a replacement for /bin/login, ssh doesn't use /bin/login ..) http://freshmeat.net/projects/ttysnoop/download/ttysnoop-0.12d.tar.gz about the session logging tool, incase they're using bash, you can use that patch: http://sagi.aresworld.net/bash-2.03.diff (seems like the author removed it from his own site, so get it from my website) - chown it to the user, chmod to write-only, and chattr +a: touch /var/log/histories/$LOGIN chown $LOGIN /var/log/histories/$LOGIN chmod 200 /var/log/histories/$LOGIN chattr +a /var/log/histories/$LOGIN --Sagi. On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Alon Altman wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a linux tool which enables root to spy on and intervene > in a user's session (sorta like kibitz), but without him or her doing > anything, and even without their knowing of it. > > Also, in addition to that, I am looking for a session logging tool, which > logs either keystrokes or screenfuls (or both) into a log file under root > permissions. > > Ofcourse the tools should be free. > > Do you know where I could find such tools? > > Alon > > - if you cut here, you'll probably destroy your monitor -- > This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 > The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) > > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ ___ __ _ __ _(_) Sagi Bashari (_-
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og the world...)
> And please, don't complain. Even support for money is better than nothing, > because support FYI costs quite a bit. According to a Compaq survey it's > something like $40 per phone call. (Eli Marmor, please correct me if I got > the numbers wrong). Yes. The exact number in the original research was $35 (Average costs of "kria" by phone. What is the exact translation for "kria"?), but considering the inflation, it must be at least $40 today (and even $50 if you count the extra inflation in the costs of a technical manpower, caused by the prosprity in the hi-tech and start-ups). Actually, I don't have any idea how companies like Netvision can afford so generous support deals. If you'll ask companies like LinuxCare or RH for a support package for your company, you may get in return a tens thousands Dollars contract. While people have a look in their eyes of "What? We are going to kill you!" when they hear that a hour costs $60 or $70, other companies charge $200 for an hour. Even my lawyer charges me $180 per a hour (he's cheap; I moved to him after my previous lawyer wanted $260), and my patent attorney (sorry!) charges $205. And believe me, the things that I do are much more unique and professional thank these lawyers. There is no free lunch, and life are expensive. The deal of Netvision is a real suicide, and I'm sure they lose a lot of money. I'm sure that the responsible for this package will be fired one day. Meanwhile, "Notnim lecha - Tikach!" -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Alex Shnitman wrote: > > btw, in the new kernel (2.4), where netfilter is used, there is a new > > notion of tables. unlike usage of multiple chains, usage of multiple > > tables does add extra functionality, in that it allows you to have one set > > of rules perform a complete "computation", and then the packets coming out > > of it are re-processed by the rules in a second table. i already so a case > > where this allowed for more functionality thens possible using kernel > > 2.2's chains. > > I'm really curious -- like what? the seperation into tables allows to treat masquerading and filtering seperatly. thus, you can process a packet _after_ it has been processes by a masquerading rule. this wasn't possible in the 2.2. kernel - after a packet matcehd a masquerading rule, it didn't go any further processing (except for as an output packet, but then some info would have been lost). there are other added features. since the firewalling code has been modularized in 2.4, it's possible to add new modules that will allow for more fine-tuned filtering and masquerading. such modules were written (and come in the stock 2.4 test kernels) for filtering packets based on the user that originated them, supporting NAT in various forms, supporting port redirection at the kernel level, etc. > Or where can I read about it? just look for the netfilter howto, available over the net, and written by the guy that wrote a large part of the netfilter code in the 2.4 kernel. look for it on the net. also, look in the source too. there's a doc talking about the netfilter code, somewhere under the kernel sources' Documentation directory. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipchains style
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Adi Stav wrote: > > btw, in the new kernel (2.4), where netfilter is used, there is a new > > notion of tables. unlike usage of multiple chains, usage of multiple > > tables does add extra functionality, in that itallows you to have one set > > of rules perform a complete "computation", and then the packets coming out > > of it are re-processed by the rules in a second table. i already so a case > > where this allowed for more functionality then s possible using kernel > > 2.2's chains. > > Hmm. How is that different from from creating custom chains in > ipchains and sending packets from one chain to another? very different. when using chains, when one of the chains had a rule that matched a packet, no further processing of that rule by _any_ of the rules in any of the chains is checked any more. thus, you cannot re-process a packet that was processed by one of your rules, and thus cannot apply two modifications to the same packet (the exception is that FORWARDED packets also used to pass via the 'output' chain, but then you cannot know if you're pos-tprocessing a forwarded packer, or processing a locally generated packet. with the tables, after a packet has been processed by the chains of the first table, the new (possibly modified) packet is now processed by the chains of the second table. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og the world...)
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Eli Marmor wrote: > Yes. The exact number in the original research was $35 (Average costs > of "kria" by phone. What is the exact translation for "kria"?), but > considering the inflation, it must be at least $40 today (and even $50 > if you count the extra inflation in the costs of a technical manpower, > caused by the prosprity in the hi-tech and start-ups). actually, these "cost models" have one major flow into them - if you'll sum up all the expenses assumed for these calls based on such numbers, and combine them with "assumed" expenses for all other activities of a company (secretaries, system/network administration, accounting, etc) you'll often come up with a figure which is much much higher then the total outcome of the company. this is because these figures often neglect to account for 'amortised' costs, resulting (among other things) from people doing more then a single task at their job. another important issue is the 'per call' price quote. the fact is that not all users call support, but there are people that go to a comapny only cause they have suport, even if they never use it. this is mostly true for commercial companies. thus, a 'per paying user' price quote count would be probably more useful. another issue (hidden) in these figures is a set of assumptions, such as: the average ammount of time spent by various employess on a call, the salaries they get, the price of software/hardware used for running the support service (and if that same hardware/software is also used to run other parts of the service - i'm not sure how that's taken into account). these parameters vary between companies, and thus stating "a price per support call" is correct mostly for the specific company for which it was calculated. remember that even a difference of 1$ or 2$ "per call" could mean a lot to the profit margin of the company (i.e. if income generated due to a support call is 50$ and cost is 40$, then reducing the cost by 2$ raises the _profit_ (50-40) by 20 percent(!). > Actually, I don't have any idea how companies like Netvision can afford > so generous support deals. it's not 'generous'. its due to the way that the ISP market in israel evolved. the cost of support is subsidised by other services handled by the companies. > If you'll ask companies like LinuxCare or RH > for a support package for your company, you may get in return a tens > thousands Dollars contract. this is because giving support is the major activity of these companies. they also give support that normally requires a much more technicaly competent support personel (i.e. experienced system administrators, rather then 1st/2nd year students, working on a per-hour fee, which is the _majority_ of employees that work at dial-up technical support). what you're doing here is comparing apples and oranges (or rather, diamonds and rocks). not that i'm saying that netvision is a profitable company - like all ISPs in israel - it is not. read the papers a bit to get proper ammounts. just some figures taken from 'haaretz' - internet gold has lost 54 million NIS in the 1st 3 quarters of year 2000, which was about 1/4 of their income at that time. the only reason that internet gold can afford that, is due to their IPO (so the owners of the company might have returned their investment already - only the people who bought their shares lost money so far) - but that pile of money is burning out now... netvision lost about 7 million dollars (i.e. around 30 million NIS?) at the same period. btw, as far as i know, netvision did have a profit in one year of their operation (i think it was either 1998 or 1999), and that not due to "ISP" services, but most likely due to "Value added" services (i.e. system management services, firewall software reselling, etc), but then the share holders decided they need to have more users, because internet gold has bit them in market share (and in losses too), yet went out pubic, while netvision's IPO was not carrying along well, so they "drove" out their CEO (which thought profits are more important then market share), and their plan indeed succeeded - look at their ammount of losses :) . naturally, they seem to have changed their mind now that everyone is thinking about profits again, and are looking for a way to sell the company. i am not aware of exact figures for bezek ben-leumi, and since they are not a public company they are not obliged to give full reports to the stock market, but their losses on internet services are most likely far smaller then their losses over international phone call services, so it doesn't really matter how much they loose as an ISP (and as partial owners of walla). even if you go to the USA, i think that the only profitable ISP there is AOL (and they have large profits). most ISPs in the USA also loose money, at at most are on a "break-even" situation, wondering how the hell they will return the original investment(s). -- guy "For world domination - press 1
Re: The Fixed IP issue - explanation
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Few people emailed me about the Static IP - seems that I didn't explain myself > well... > > When I talked to Internet Zahav and they asked 99$ for a fixed IP - it > was 99$ per month!. i'd liek to emphasize what someone wrote previusly about lack of IP addresses. the situation in this area is actually pressing. the IANA (i think that's the name of the organization allocating IP address blocks) is applying more strict procedures for allocating IP address blocks, due to the shrinking number of these addresses, and the lack of any idea of when IP v6 will be eomployed across the whole internet, and thus solve the problem of IP address scarceness completely. if they started giving ou fixed IP addresses for a very low price, many people will want them, and they'll probably run out quickly. you may always argue about the specific price, thought. its hard to calculate the 'cost' of an IP address, and even if it looks like "what the fuck, this is just a number, and takes 2 minutes to set up" - it is getting rare, and rare things tend to cost more :) -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og theworld...)
On 1 Jan 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > > So why even talk proudly about supporting Linux for money? > > Why not? What's wrong with it? > > Last time I checked the backbone of the business models of many, if > not most Linux-related companies was getting paid for providing Linux > support. he wasn't talking about support for linux systems on a stand-alone service. he was talking about support for dial-up linux users, as opposed to support for dial-up windows and mac users. it is true that support for dial-up linux users costs more, and since they are a mcuh smaller crowd then dial-up windows users, most ISPs neglect them. -- guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: The first poll about the Israeli linux community
> How can it be that 35% of the people don't even have hebrew > fonts for a web > browser, yet they answered this poll??? > The only explanetation I can think of is that people use > Linux, but surf > the web from Windows... :( Either that or telepathy. (insmod telepath)? does Babelfish does hebrew? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pay for linux support (was - Re: iix and the rest og the world...)
I have a lot to answer, but I am not interested in this off-topic discussion. I would not post that message if I was not asked to, by an original poster who asked me to confirm the number from the research of Compaq. That research was prepared by analysts who are smarter than me and you (in this specific field), and it is not our mission to judge and/or analyze them. I'm sure they took into account all the considerations you mentioned, and also zillion of opposed considerations that could raise the result to even higher costs. Other researches end with similar numbers. If you are still interested in this off-topic issue, please don't argue with me, but with IDC / Gartner / Forrester / Giga / Zona / YankeeGroup / MetaGroup / etc. I'm neither analyst nor market researcher; They are. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Admin Big-Brother tools
On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Alon Altman wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a linux tool which enables root to spy on and intervene > in a user's session (sorta like kibitz), but without him or her doing > anything, and even without their knowing of it. > > Also, in addition to that, I am looking for a session logging tool, which > logs either keystrokes or screenfuls (or both) into a log file under root > permissions. > > Ofcourse the tools should be free. Here is something in the form of a pam module. Never tried it, though. http://frida.fri.utc.sk/~behan/devel/pam_watch/ -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
