RE: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
Ok people. Let's call it a day ;0 LINUX RULEZ ok. Regards, Naor Weissman RnD department BroadServe Israel +97254553183 http://www.broadserve.com -Original Message- From: Oren Held [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: ?? 03 ??? 2000 11:02? To: Shachar Shemesh Cc: linux mailing list Subject:Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?) Hello SuSE RaVaLaZ 1 Cya, Oren. On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Let the flame war begin! > > Naor Weissman wrote: > > > What you are basically saying is - USE DEBIAN !!! > > > > Regards, > > Naor Weissman > > RnD department > > BroadServe Israel > > +97254553183 > > http://www.broadserve.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Yosi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: ?? 03 ??? 2000 7:37? > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject:RH 7.0 infested with bugs? > > > > Hi, > > > > A recent post to /. claims that RedHat 7.0 is full of bugs that almost > > make it unusuable http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml > > Looking at Bugzilla total bug numbers looks bad (although not as bad > > as Windows 2000 ;-) Has anyone on the list installed RedHat 7.0 > > already and care to give some comments? > > > > Yosi > > _ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
Shahar Wrote: >Let the flame war begin! You are right :-( . While I asked a question that I think will interest the rest of RedHat users, it seems that some people took the opportunity to enlighten us all with their wisdom of how they chose a much superior distribution, and how bad RedHat is. I am not interested in this kind of war, and I am sure that the majority of the list isn't either. Can we please focus on the topic at hand? I was asking for feedbacks (bad *and* good) from anyone who installed the latest Red Hat 7. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. Yosi _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In and out of X
Is there any way I can log my entries and exists from X? I enter and exit my computer using a graphical login, so .login and .logout do not work (well, maybe .login does, but .logout surely does not). I want to log the time I entered the server to the time I exited the server (even explicit kill, e.g, Ctr-Alt-Backspace). Thanks, Arieh = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
Hello SuSE RaVaLaZ 1 Cya, Oren. On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Let the flame war begin! > > Naor Weissman wrote: > > > What you are basically saying is - USE DEBIAN !!! > > > > Regards, > > Naor Weissman > > RnD department > > BroadServe Israel > > +97254553183 > > http://www.broadserve.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Yosi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: ?? 03 ??? 2000 7:37? > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject:RH 7.0 infested with bugs? > > > > Hi, > > > > A recent post to /. claims that RedHat 7.0 is full of bugs that almost > > make it unusuable http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml > > Looking at Bugzilla total bug numbers looks bad (although not as bad > > as Windows 2000 ;-) Has anyone on the list installed RedHat 7.0 > > already and care to give some comments? > > > > Yosi > > _ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is the swap being used ?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > I will agree that if the guy (not Guy, tizmo, ohh never mind) has 95MB > of free RAM, there is no reason to swap anything out. It's just that a > normal system has quite a few things loaded into memory that are never > accessed. Swapping these things out can produce free RAM to be used for > Disk caching. if you insist on answering the other question - then this is not the descrption of a 'normal' system. its the description that accesses lots of files or runs many processes. note that these days, quite a few people buy enough RAM to make swap space usage negligle - for home usage. > I am not sure Linux knows how to do that (though - assuming that your > RAM gets full every now and then, that will happen anyway), but I am > trying to pointout that, if my system allocated 128MB of memory, and it > has exactly 128MB of RAM, the best allocation is NOT 128MB Ram full, > swap 0K full. actually, the best allocation is very close to that, but allocation is not done at a single moment - it's a gradual process. when the system begins to get low on RAM (and ONLY then) - it considers using swap space. however, this is a hunch - i didn't consult the kernel's sources to verify that - yet... what i did see in the sources, is that the system pre-allocates pools of memory pages for usage by important parts of the system (e.g. device driver interrupt handlers). this is done because it's a bad idea to begin swapping while handling an interrupt. ok. time i'd learn to stop poking my nose in. anyone here even remotely interested in such information? guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is the swap being used ?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Dani Arbel wrote: > i would reccomand to make the swap at least double the RAM size. that > system has too small swap partition. sorry for poking in again - i just had to dispell that mith. this 'swap size is double RAM size' was the rule of thumb for unix administrators about 5-10 years back. unix systems back then used to pre-allocate space in the swap partition for every page of memory allocated for program's code and data segments in memory. this meant that you had to have at least the same ammount of swap space as your RAM size, in order to be able to use all of your system's RAM. also, RAM was very expensive back then, so it was scarce. these days, however, RAM is cheap, and linux does not do that pre-allocation (and i think neither do other modern unices), so some people manage to run their machine without using any RAM at all. if you system starts using swap space alot - it's often cheap enough to simply buy more ram. using a lot of swap is mostly left relevant for heavy-duty machi, and even then you try to get your system to do as little swap as possible (especially if you're running an interactive web server, or similar). thus - allocate RAM based on your experience with the pattern of usage of your machine. guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: General phylosophical thoughts about mailing lists behaviours
For some strange reason, everytime I respond to a thread, I get all further communication on that thread twice. People, please, don't blindly "reply to all" messages. It stands to reason that, if someone posted to this mailing list, this someone is also subscribed to it. It is therefor enough to reply to the mailing list. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: is the swap being used ?
> these days, however, RAM is cheap, and linux does not do that > pre-allocation (and i think neither do other modern unices), so some > people manage to run their machine without using any RAM at > all. if you I think you mean, no swap at all. Thanks, Chen. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mode locking in X.
Hey everyone, I have installed hebrew fonts on my X and configured right control as the mode-change key so I could type hebrew in X-Chat and other places. I've used the Xmodmap file from the Hebrew howto and modified it abit for that matter, but I can't make the locking work and I don't wonna keep having to hold CTRL down to write hebrew. Anyone knows how can this be done ? Thanx! =---= Nimrod Simba Carmi, School Sucks http://www.schoolsucks.com http://www.schoolsucks.co.il Phone: +972-5423-9910 Fax: +972-6651-5473 "... So let me in, from the cold Turn my land into gold Coz there's a chill wind blowing in my soul And I think I'm growing old ..." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mode locking in X.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Nimrod S. Carmi wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I have installed hebrew fonts on my X and configured right control as the > mode-change key so I could type hebrew in X-Chat and other places. > > I've used the Xmodmap file from the Hebrew howto and modified it abit for > that matter, but Ican't make the locking work and I don't wonna keep > having to hold CTRL down to write hebrew. > > Anyone knows how can this be done ? > > Thanx! In short: use Xkb instead of Xmodmap (Xmodmap is usefulfor small corrections, but nothing more than that). As a starting point, have a look at: http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/86.html I still haven't received any comments on that page... -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
In case some of you didnt' read the FAQ flames are not welcome in here. and latly it's really getting into annoying level. I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me. therefore I suggest that if it happen again we would make it moderated and approve the mail one by one. or remove the flaming person from the list. any objections? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Shachar Shemesh wrote: | Let the flame war begin! | | Naor Weissman wrote: | | > What you are basically saying is - USE DEBIAN !!! | > | > Regards, | > Naor Weissman | > RnD department | > BroadServe Israel | > +97254553183 | > http://www.broadserve.com | > | >-Original Message- | > From: Yosi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | > Sent: ?? 03 ??? 2000 7:37? | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > Subject: RH 7.0 infested with bugs? | > | > Hi, | > | > A recent post to /. claims that RedHat 7.0 is full of bugs that almost | > make it unusuable http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml | > Looking at Bugzilla total bug numbers looks bad (although not as bad | > as Windows 2000 ;-) Has anyone on the list installed RedHat 7.0 | > already and care to give some comments? | > | > Yosi | > _ | > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. | > | > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at | > http://profiles.msn.com. | > | > = | > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | > = | > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mode locking in X.
Hey, On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > In short: use Xkb instead of Xmodmap (Xmodmap is usefulfor small > corrections, but nothing more than that). > > As a starting point, have a look at: > http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/86.html > > I still haven't received any comments on that page... That, in fact, was the first thing I tried before I decided to try Xmodmap, and the result was that there was no result, it simply doesn't work. I want to point out that after I installed it that way, when I pressed both shifts I couldnt type at all the keyboard was kinda stuck untill I pressed them again. =---= Nimrod Simba Carmi, School Sucks http://www.schoolsucks.com http://www.schoolsucks.co.il Phone: +972-5423-9910 Fax: +972-6651-5473 "... So let me in, from the cold Turn my land into gold Coz there's a chill wind blowing in my soul And I think I'm growing old ..." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Testing replay to now send it to list I hope
Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Science Fiction - Or Not ?
I donno why you guys want to wait till next year:) I hope to finish in a 2-3 month http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~elylevy/heb Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Chen Shapira wrote: | | | > -Original Message- | > From: Oren Held [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:29 PM | > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > Subject: Science Fiction - Or Not ? | > | > | > Hello List! | > | > First of all, Happy New LinuxYear!! | > I really hope that next year, in the same date, our Linux | > would look like | > that: | | My wish for next year is lots and lots of documentation, tutorials, help, | guides, examples and more documentation. If possible - lets have it in many | languages and well orginised. | | Chen. | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
e-mail (|| phone_number) of Amos Shapira?
Hello, I applied to be a Debian maintainer and am looking for another Debian developer to sign my GPG key. => I am looking for Amos Shapira to ask him to sign my key. How can I get in contact with him? I have tried to send a message to Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> but got a reply saying that Hi. This is the qmail-send program at anat.baz-on.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?
No. slackware does not use rpm by default nor redhat scripts. slackware uses simple .tgz packages, and simple BSD scripts. thats how linux should be ;) On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, avishaya wrote: > Yes, sagi is right. > stay away from all x.0 of redhat versions.wait a little beat. > in a few months,it will be 7.1 and mutch more bug fixes. > Redhat should learn from SUSE how to make a neat distribution. > I admit that i use redhat,but only a stable version(right now 6.2). > The main advantage of this distribution is "mainstream". > > by the way > is slackware uses rpm,by default ?! > is it uses init scripts similar to the redhat ? > > Sagi Bashari wrote: > > > All the RedHat versions are full of bugs (specially x.0) , so whats new. > > > > want a 'stable' os? try slackware. > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Yosi wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > A recent post to /. claims that RedHat 7.0 is full of bugs that almost > > > make it unusuable http://slashdot.org/articles/00/10/02/2046212.shtml > > > Looking at Bugzilla total bug numbers looks bad (although not as bad > > > as Windows 2000 ;-) Has anyone on the list installed RedHat 7.0 > > > already and care to give some comments? > > > > > > Yosi > > > _ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Avishay Aton > Unix system administrator > mcse. > linux + freebsd lover. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: General phylosophical thoughts about mailing lists behaviours
Nadav Har'El wrote: > However, the reason I send this message to you too is a much more mundane > reason - an issue I've raised here before but never got solved to my > satisfaction. Unlike many other mailing-lists (including all the lists I > run), in linux-il when you "Reply" to a message (using the normal "r" > command in mutt or elm, for example) your email get sent to the person > writing the message, not to the list [*] .. > [*] I think that this reply-to-person default is evil in other ways, not > just the extra-CC phenomenon. It also encourages people to reply to people > directly rather than the list, and other people of the list don't get to > enjoy (hopefully) the answers. Sorry Nadav, I have to completely disagree with you here. See http://www.halisp.net/halisp/reply-to-harmful.html for a very good explanation why. As for Shahar's original plight, some people (like yours truly) actually prefer to get it twice. The best thing to do would be for the mailing list manager software to have a per user configurable option to not send additional copies of messages that the subscriber is already in their To: or CC: So if anyone is interested in something to do in Yom Kipoor (assuming you are not (Jewish && believers), of course) hack to do this ;-) Gilad. ;-) Gilad. ;-) -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://benyossef.com :: +972(54)756701 "Oxymoron: Rap Music." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
wrote: > > SuSE RaVaLaZ 1 > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, X wrote: > > > Let the flame war begin! > > > > X XX wrote: > > > What you are basically saying is - USE DEBIAN !!! (* The names have been removed to protect the guilty) Real programers don't use distributions, they boot off a floppy and mutter: "dd ifs=/dev/random ofs=/dev/hda && lilo && reboot" and move the mouse just so... ;-) -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://kagoor.com :: +972(54)756701 "Oxymoron: Rap Music." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
From: "Ely Levy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?) > In case some of you didnt' read the FAQ flames are not welcome in here. .. .. > any objections? Yes. Go get some sense of humor (from redhat, slackware or anyone else). - Aviram = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DISTRIBUTION WAR!!! (Was: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?)
Neee Real programmers make thier own distribution: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/view/intel-2.4/index.html with their own package management system.. > wrote: > > > > SuSE RaVaLaZ 1 > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, X wrote: > > > > > Let the flame war begin! > > > > > > X XX wrote: > > > > What you are basically saying is - USE DEBIAN !!! > (* The names have been removed to protect the guilty) > > Real programers don't use distributions, they boot off a floppy and > mutter: > "dd ifs=/dev/random ofs=/dev/hda && lilo && reboot" and move the mouse > just so... ;-) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is the swap being used ?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, guy keren wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Dani Arbel wrote: > > > i would reccomand to make the swap at least double the RAM size. that > > system has too small swap partition. > > sorry for poking in again - i just had to dispell that mith. this 'swap > size is double RAM size' was the rule of thumb for unix administrators > about 5-10 years back. unix systems back then used to pre-allocate space > in the swap partition for every page of memory allocated for program's > code and data segments in memory. this meant that you had tohave at least > the same ammount of swap space as your RAM size, in order to be able to > use all of your system's RAM. Actually, what you are describing is the BSD 4.n (n<=3) behaviour (SunOS 4 is based on BSD4.3). SysV always used swap and RAM to store pages (Irix 3.3 (SysVR3), AIX 3.1 are two SysV OSes that were in use ten years ago and used the 'new' model). In BSD 4.4 (which FreeBSD 2.x and above is based on) this is no longer true. > also, RAM was very expensive back then, so it was scarce. > > these days, however, RAM is cheap, and linux does not do that > pre-allocation (and i think neither do other modern unices), so some > people manage to run their machine without using any RAM at all. if you > system starts using swap space alot - it's often cheap enough to simply > buy more ram. using a lot of swap is mostly leftrelevant for heavy-duty > machi, and even then you try to get your system to do as little swap as > possible (especially if you're running an interactive web server, or > similar). You ment '... run their machine without using any swap at all.'. That's true. It is unlikely that if your machine has 0.5Gb of RAM you will install 1Gb of swap. Just try to imagine (calculate) what will happen if you start swapping 1Gb. This discussion usually comes hand in hand with the swap file vs. swap partition discussion. I always felt that during the installation you should install lots of swap space (~250Mb, or even more), just to be on the safe side (with today's disks it doesn't make sense to save here). If you go out of swap, add a swap file (don't re-partirion). Once you start swapping, it is going to crawl anyway and it doesn't really matter which of them you use. The obvious answer is to buy more memory. > thus - allocate RAM based on your experience with the pattern of usage of > your machine. You ment allocate swap. Dito (and buy as much RAM to make sure that programs don't swap). > guy > > "For world domination - press 1, > or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yaron. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: In and out of X
Hi Bettina Stern & Arieh Bibliowicz wrote: [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Is there any way I can log my entries and exists from X? I enter and exit my > computer using a graphical login, so .login and .logout do not work (well, > maybe .login does, but .logout surely does not). I want to log the time I > entered the server to the time I exited the server (even explicit kill, e.g, > Ctr-Alt-Backspace). I don't know about new graphical logins (KDM, GDM) but if they are similar enough to xdm they should have scripts that run at logins and logouts. In xdm, the script /etc/X11/xdm/Xstartup has these lines: # Insert a utmp entry for the session if grep -qs ^use-sessreg /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then exec sessreg -a -l $DISPLAY -u /var/run/utmp -x /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers $USER # NOTREACHED fi and /etc/X11/xdm/Xreset has # Remove the utmp entry for the session if grep -qs ^use-sessreg /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then sessreg -d -l $DISPLAY -u /var/run/utmp -x /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers $USER fi If you have similar lines in the corresponding files of your login manager (actually refferd to as 'Display Manager') you only have to add a line with 'use-sessreg' to /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options (or whatever). Otherwise, just add the actuall calls to sessreg to those files. Anyway, when you do this, sessreg adds entries to wtmp, and the usual ways to access it work (e.g. last(1), getutent(3) ). BTW, I personally don't let xdm run the XServer, for some technical problems I had. Instead, I run it separately, from an init.d script, which also logs it's output to a log file. This also helped me debug some problems (even though this doesn't log logins and logouts, but XServer starts and crashes). > > Thanks, > > Arieh > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the list's address
Hi This message is written to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . However, the reply-to address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The result is that if one uses "reply to all" (or equivalent) a reply will be sent to both the addresses, and thus the list will recieve it twice (as has happened with the previous message). However IIRC many people use the address @cs.huji (and it is probably a bit faster, as it avoids an extra hop), so the solution isn't simply to change the reply-to field. Do you think we are ought to make up our minds regarding the name of the list? BTW: at least in one place it is listed as @cs.huji : http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il%40cs.huji.ac.il/ -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RH 7.0 infested with bugs?
SB>> No. slackware does not use rpm by default nor redhat scripts. slackware SB>> uses simple .tgz packages, and simple BSD scripts. thats how linux should SB>> be ;) That's bull. Linux should have no packages and no scripts and no slackware. If you need some software, you code it yourself or download from your friend's BBS. If you can't, you should use Windows anyway. SB>> > > All the RedHat versions are full of bugs (specially x.0) , SB>> so whats new. Oh yeah. And they also sign RPMs with blood of Debian users too. SB>> > > want a 'stable' os? try slackware. You misspelt VMS. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is the swap being used ?
Hi! There is no question about RAM being superior over swap, BUT when you run out of memory (RAM + swap ) the system starts to kill processes and you don't want this to hapen. So have enough available swap, and count on the system to use it wisely (i.e. place the running processes in RAM and sleeping ones in swap). My comment about the swap size was based on experience with Linux. take it or leave it. Dani On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Yaron Zabary wrote: > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, guy keren wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Dani Arbel wrote: > > > > > i would reccomand to make the swap at least double the RAM size. that > > > system has too small swap partition. > > > > sorry for poking in again - i just had to dispell that mith. this 'swap > > size is double RAM size' was the rule of thumb for unix administrators > > about 5-10 years back. unix systems back then used to pre-allocate space > > in the swap partition for every page of memory allocated for program's > > code and data segments in memory. this meant that you had tohave at least > > the same ammount of swap space as your RAM size, in order to be able to > > use all of your system's RAM. > > Actually, what you are describing is the BSD 4.n (n<=3) behaviour (SunOS > 4 is based on BSD4.3). SysV always used swap and RAM to store pages (Irix > 3.3 (SysVR3), AIX 3.1 are two SysV OSes that were in use ten years ago and > used the 'new' model). In BSD 4.4 (which FreeBSD 2.x and above is based > on) this is no longer true. > > > also, RAM was very expensive back then, so it was scarce. > > > > these days, however, RAM is cheap, and linux does not do that > > pre-allocation (and i think neither do other modern unices), so some > > people manage to run their machine without using any RAM at all. if you > > system starts using swap space alot - it's often cheap enough to simply > > buy more ram. using a lot of swap is mostly leftrelevant for heavy-duty > > machi, and even then you try to get your system to do as little swap as > > possible (especially if you're running an interactive web server, or > > similar). > > You ment '... run their machine without using any swap at all.'. That's > true. It is unlikely that if your machine has 0.5Gb of RAM you will > install 1Gb of swap. Just try to imagine (calculate) what will happen if > you start swapping 1Gb. > > This discussion usually comes hand in hand with the swap file vs. swap > partition discussion. I always felt that during the installation you > should install lots of swap space (~250Mb, or even more), just to be on > the safe side (with today's disks it doesn't make sense to save here). If > you go out of swap, add a swap file (don't re-partirion). Once you start > swapping, it is going to crawl anyway and it doesn't really matter which > of them you use. The obvious answer is to buy more memory. > > > thus - allocate RAM based on your experience with the pattern of usage of > > your machine. > > You ment allocate swap. Dito (and buy as much RAM to make sure that > programs don't swap). > > > guy > > > > "For world domination - press 1, > > or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- Yaron. > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why penguin?
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RE: Why penguin?
All the story http://www.linux.org/info/penguin.html -Original Message- From: Shimon C. Constante [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Why penguin? Can anybody tell me why Linux's symbol is a penguin? why a Penguin -.url
Re: CDRW: SCSI vs. IDE
Eli Marmor wrote: > > Hi, > > I looked at the home page of cdrecord, and found warnings regarding > both of the interfaces of CDRW: IDE (that you need the SCSI emulation > for it), and SCSI (look at the rating table - it claims that SCSI for > Linux is bad and almost unusable). > > As one who never used CDRW under Linux (I'm going to use mainly the > write, not the re-write), I'm confused - I never heard about so > critical problems of CDRW under Linux. Is it so severe? And what > should I prefer for Linux - SCSI or IDE? Eli, I have used both SCSI and IDE (through SCSI emulation) CD-R drives with Linux (Smart&Friendly and HP). I've never had a single problem. As long as you put the drive on its own IDE channel, I see no compelling reason to pay more for a SCSI device: throughput is hardly anissue with CD-R drives. However, if the system is heavily loaded while burning, you might prefer SCSI to prevent buffer underruns (not that I ever saw that happen under Linux). Gavrie. -- Gavrie Philipson Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CDRW: SCSI vs. IDE
Hi, I looked at the home page of cdrecord, and found warnings regarding both of the interfaces of CDRW: IDE (that you need the SCSI emulation for it), and SCSI (look at the rating table - it claims that SCSI for Linux is bad and almost unusable). As one who never used CDRW under Linux (I'm going to use mainly the write, not the re-write), I'm confused - I never heard about so critical problems of CDRW under Linux. Is it so severe? And what should I prefer for Linux - SCSI or IDE? Thanks, -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
