Re: IW2K
Shaul Karl wrote: > > > > When can we meet ? Are you in Tel-Aviv area ? > > > > I live in Tel-Aviv (pretty close to the junction of Dizingof and Ben-Gurion). > We can meet on Tuesday or Wednesday at about 19:30, on Thursday (perhaps at > the Jerusalem group meeting?) or sometime at Friday morning. > My phone and fax numbers are 03 - 5220233 but I prefer that everything, > including the time we meet will be posted on the mailing list to get everybody > as much involved as possible. I hope this will not cause a significant > increase in the noise figure. OK. Let's set the meeting in Tuesday at 19:30. I suggest we meet in LinuxQA offices ( The equipment is due to be here, too, so maybe we can also install it! ) . It is In the Bursa area in Ramat-Gan, foot access from Rakevet Merkaz, so it is easy for anyone not from Tel-Aviv to get here. > > > When and exactly where could we meet? > > BTW: Can somebody give me a ride for the Jerusalem meeting on Thursday evening? > > > > > > > > > And we'll make MUCH more noise than you. > > > > since > > > > We have > > > > MarkV. > > > > > > > > > > What is MarkV? > > > > Mark V is Marc Volovic. > > -- > Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] > An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [iglu] Re: IW2K
> OK. Let's set the meeting in Tuesday at 19:30. I suggest we meet in > LinuxQA offices ( The equipment is due to be here, too, so > maybe we can > also install it! ) . It is In the Bursa area in Ramat-Gan, > foot access > from Rakevet Merkaz, so it is easy for anyone not from Tel-Aviv to > get here. Need any additional people there? I can arrive too if needed. Thanks, Chen. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CDRW
similar thing happened to my brother yesterday. he installed mandrake 7.0 from cdr and then supermount and regular mounting didn't work. said /dev/hdd is not a valid block device. i played around with his computer a little and noticed some reference to /dev/scd0 (even though he doesn't have an actual scsi in his computer). so i changed /dev/hdd in fstab to /dev/scd0 and it worked. try that. -Original Message- From: Shlomo Solomon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 02:56 To: linux Subject: CDRW I still have two problems (one serious and one just a minor inconvenience) that I haven't been able to solve. I've read any HOWTOs and man pages that seemed relevant, and I've written to the list before but .. I'm really getting desperate. Can someone PLEASE help ??!!! I apologize for writing all the details here again, but I hope that maybe this time someone will know what my problems are and how to help. My system is Mandrake 7.0 on a Pentium III 500. My serious problem is that I can't use my CDRW. It's a Smart and Friendly 24x, 2x, 2x. The drive is on the Secondary Master EIDE (so it's /dev/hdc). On the Secondary Slave (/dev/hdd) I have a 48x CD-ROM. Using DMESG, I can see that at boot all drives are recognized correctly. But, I also see a message saying that there is an error in the irq on /dev/hdc (which makes no sense since the irq for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are the same so what's the problem). And there's a message saying that /dev/hdc cannot be mounted because it's not a valid block device. I get the same message when I try to mount the drive (with or without a disk in it) and this happens from the command line or using the Mandrake Disk utility. I tried **playing with** the /etc/fstab file to add /dev/hdc instead of /dev/CD-ROM and other different changes but this didn't help either. Cdrecord -scanbus sees the drive so ide-scsi support is working. X-cdroast also **sees** the drive and correctly identifies even the model number in the setup menu, but I can't read from or write to the drive. The drive will not work as IDE or SCSI. The really STRANGE thing is that I actually booted and installed Mandrake FROM THIS DRIVE on /dev/hdc so if Mandrake **saw** the drive during the installation, why won't it work now ?? Also, the CDRW works under Win98 and worked on my old computer (Pentium 133 - RedHat 6.0 - kernel recompiled to add ide-scsi support). My second problem (which is only a minor inconvenience) is that SUPERMOUNT has disappeared. At one point (I don't remember when), I saw a message saying the it's not supported by the kernel but this makes no sense for two reasons. First, I had Supermount working and only after a re-install (trying to solve the CDRW problem) it disappeared. And secondly, I have Supermount working on my old computer - installed from the same Mandrake 7.0 CD. Playing around with /etc/fstab was no help here either. If necessary, I would be willing to bring the computer to anyone in the Raanana area who could help (although that might be a problem since I'm not really anxious to carry my 17 inch screen or re-configure X for another setup). // Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://come.to/shlomo.solomon // = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
Ariel Biener wrote: > > About your Solaris vs. Tru64, I don't see how you wanna compare these. > Solaris runs on x86 and Sparc platforms. Tru64 runs on Alphas. What do you > want to compare exactly ? If you want to buy a strong Workstation, it is obvious you will want to compare several solutions. Since both Sun and Compaq (Digital) offer ones, it makes perfect sense to compare their solutions as a whole, the CPU itself only a part of the comparison. You will want to compare The Applications available, easy of management, proofed past installation, Superset, Stability, Security, Accuracy. There are many reason you want to compare Tru64 and Solaris. > > > --Ariel > > > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is 'True 64 Unix' > > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > > What is good? What is bad? > > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is FREE, but...) > > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > > Any references? Any comments? > > > > === > > Felix A. Shvaiger > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Ariel Biener > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 > fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ury Segal wrote: > If you want to buy a strong Workstation, it is obvious you will > want to compare several solutions. Since both Sun and Compaq (Digital) > offer ones, it makes perfect sense to compare their solutions as a whole, > the CPU itself only a part of the comparison. > > You will want to compare The Applications available, easy of management, > proofed past installation, Superset, Stability, Security, Accuracy. There > are many reason you want to compare Tru64 and Solaris. That is correct, but from the mail you sent, I was under the impression you already have an Alpha. --Ariel > > > > > > > > --Ariel > > > > > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is 'True 64 Unix' > > > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > > > What is good? What is bad? > > > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is FREE, but...) > > > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > > > Any references? Any comments? > > > > > > === > > > Felix A. Shvaiger > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > > Ariel Biener > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 > > fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ariel Biener wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ury Segal wrote: > > > If you want to buy a strong Workstation, it is obvious you will > > want to compare several solutions. Since both Sun and Compaq (Digital) > > offer ones, it makes perfect sense to compare their solutions as a whole, > > the CPU itself only a part of the comparison. > > > > You will want to compare The Applications available, easy of management, > > proofed past installation,Superset, Stability, Security, Accuracy. There > > are many reason you want to compare Tru64and Solaris. > > That is correct, but from the mail you sent, I was under the impression > you already have an Alpha. What is this. Find a reason not to study contest. Stop that right now and go study. You have an exam on Thursday ! > > --Ariel > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Ariel > > > > > > > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is 'True 64 Unix' > > > > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > > > > What is good? What is bad? > > > > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is FREE, but...) > > > > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > > > > Any references? Any comments? > > > > > > > > === > > > > Felix A. Shvaiger > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ariel Biener > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 > > > fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC > > > > > > = > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Ariel Biener > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 > fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Yaron. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
>--- Felix Shvaiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is 'True > 64 Unix' > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > What is good? What is bad? > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is FREE, > but...) > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > Any references? Any comments? > > === > Felix A. Shvaiger > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Tru 64 is Compaq's UNIX on Alpha. It used to be OSF1 in Digital times. Check http://www.compaq.com/unix Also, Linux runs on Alpha, namely Redhat and SuSe. See it at IW2K. Check http://www.compaq.com/linux Alex = Alex Landsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-9-7413725 972-50-446000 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
The only big advantage of Tru64 Unix on Linux/Solaris, I know of is a great SMP support and a great, built-in, support for clustering (if I am not mistaken). --- Felix Shvaiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is > 'True 64 Unix' > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > What is good? What is bad? > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is > FREE, but...) > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > Any references? Any comments? > > === > Felix A. Shvaiger > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Hi list, Somtimes, if the design we used to create the wheel is old and and with more and more feautres has been added to it the wheel becomes unuseful, then we should reinvent it from the base. But this is not the case, a there is already editors in linux as AbiWord it is a really better option to addd hebrew support to them, why isrealy users should other editors, what have they done bad? A better option I think is to add hebrew support, build-in, into GTK+. --- Ury Segal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK... I might be intrested in doing the hebrew > Editor.. Anyone else > want to do > it ? > > > --ury > > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
> there is already editors in linux as AbiWord it is a > really better option to addd hebrew support to them, > why isrealy users should other editors, what have they > done bad? A better question would be: Why do Israeli users have to use abiword, they certainly don't deserve it! Its pretty broken! There are 2 problems in hebrew word processing: 1) lack of decent free (as in free speech) word processors 2) lack of hebrew support. Therefore no need to reinvent the wheel - it wasn't invented yet! > A better option I think is to add hebrew > support, build-in, into GTK+. Thats a good idea. I can also comment on the nice hobby of criticizing any new project popping up. What's the itch to stomp down efforts? you don't have to work on the project - but there's no point in telling someone - your project is useless. Usually they gave some thought to the subject before going ahead and asking for help. > > OK... I might be intrested in doing the hebrew > > Editor.. Anyone else > > want to do > > it ? Feel free to throw lightweight coding at me. I'm too tired for design, discussions and stuff. If you need some library to do something - throw the API at me and I'll code it. Thanks, Chen. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: True 64 Unix ?
There is one other thing which i don't know if it was mentioned here. The DigitalUNIX comes build in with the ADFS which has nice performance. For Sun you will have to perches the DiskManager(or something) in order to recive the extra options as raid ect'. For linux i'm not sure. Mike - Original Message - From: "Ilya Khayutin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Felix Shvaiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: True 64 Unix ? > The only big advantage of Tru64 Unix on Linux/Solaris, > I know of is a great SMP support and a great, > built-in, support for clustering (if I am not > mistaken). > > --- Felix Shvaiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is > > 'True 64 Unix' > > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > > What is good? What is bad? > > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is > > FREE, but...) > > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > > Any references? Any comments? > > > > === > > Felix A. Shvaiger > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > > run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > A better option I think is to add hebrew > support, build-in, into GTK+. That idea clicked right home. It should be possible to handle the whole right left problem entirely within a variant on the Gtk+ text-widget. Are there any Gtk+ hackers here who want to discuss that idea somewhere (Say, a dedicated mailing list, hebrew-gtk?) This might get a bit techinical and specific for this list...) Topics on the agenda: 1. Adding Unicode support for text-widget 2. Correctly interpreting direction 3. Serialing contents of the text-widget Any other thoughts? -- Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > > > A better option I think is to add hebrew > > support, build-in, into GTK+. > > That idea clicked right home. It should be possible to handle the whole > right left problem entirely within a variant on the Gtk+ text-widget. It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. I want an editor. --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
> > It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. > I want an editor. editor as in emacs/vim? is it going to have a hebrew gui or just hebrew font+bidi support? Thanks, Chen. -- Chen ShapiraWeb Developer and Linux Activist "Preliminary operational tests were inconclusive (the damn thing blew up)" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Chen Shapira wrote: > > > > It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. > > I want an editor. > > editor as in emacs/vim? No. Editor as in MS WordPad. > > is it going to have a hebrew gui or just hebrew font+bidi support? All hebrew. Even hebrew puns. > > > Thanks, > Chen. > > -- > Chen ShapiraWeb Developer and Linux Activist > "Preliminary operational tests were inconclusive (the damn thing blew up)" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ury Segal wrote: [About a hebrew enabled text-widget] > It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. > I want an editor. I disagree -- it has been proven (IDLE) writing an editor is easy if you have a good text-widget. I dare say it will not be hard writing even a modal editor on top of a good text widget. You embed that widget in a notebook inside a GnomeApp, add scriptable interface, add several million people writing extensions, and you got a Hebreww eanabled version of EMACS <0.5 wink> -- Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: True 64 Unix ?
The ADVFS as bundled with Tru64 UNIX has some basic features, that do not need a license. But if you need to use the realy usefull features, like adding a volume to an existing domain, you need to install another subset (ADVFS Utilities) which have to be licensed. Avi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 3:31 PM To: Ilya Khayutin Cc: Linux-il Subject: Re: True 64 Unix ? There is one other thing which i don't know if it was mentioned here. The DigitalUNIX comes build in with the ADFS which has nice performance. For Sun you will have to perches the DiskManager(or something) in order to recive the extra options as raid ect'. For linux i'm not sure. Mike - Original Message - From: "Ilya Khayutin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Felix Shvaiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Re: True 64 Unix ? > The only big advantage of Tru64 Unix on Linux/Solaris, > I know of is a great SMP support and a great, > built-in, support for clustering (if I am not > mistaken). > > --- Felix Shvaiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's off-topic, but may be somebody knows what is > > 'True 64 Unix' > > (Compaq/Digital - Alpha). > > What is good? What is bad? > > Linux vs. 'True 64 Unix' on Alpha (I know Linux is > > FREE, but...) > > Solaris vs 'True 64 Unix' ? > > Any references? Any comments? > > > > === > > Felix A. Shvaiger > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > > run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ury Segal wrote: > > [About a hebrew enabled text-widget] > > It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. > > I want an editor. > > I disagree -- it has been proven (IDLE) writing an editor is easy if you > have a good text-widget. NOT on RTL-LTR case. Show me one good RTL-LTR editor based on Text widget. Heck, show me one good RTL-LTR widget at all. > I dare say it will not be hard writing even a > modal editor on top of a good text widget. I dare you. Show me how you write a RTL-LTR text on a non RTL-LTR widget; or just show me good RTL-LTR widget. OR, show me a good Text widget. There isn't even ONE decent Text Widget, let alone LTR-RTL. Show me a Text widget with kerning, I will make it RTL-LTR. You know what, maybe kerning is too much to ask for. Show me a Text Widget with Auto-Hypen. > You embed that widget in a notebook inside a GnomeApp, add scriptable > interface, add several million people writing extensions, and you got a > Hebreww eanabled version of EMACS <0.5 wink> I don't want emacs. I hate emacs. I love vi, but I don't need a hebrew vi. I NEED, NOW, WordPad. Pronto. I can't even write a decent letter to the Bank!!! > > > -- > Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html > http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTK+ BiDi text widget (was: Reinventing the wheel)
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 01:54:01PM +0200, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > > > A better option I think is to add hebrew > > support, build-in, into GTK+. > > That idea clicked right home. It should be possible to handle the whole > right left problem entirely within a variant on the Gtk+ text-widget. > Are there any Gtk+ hackers here who want to discuss that idea somewhere > (Say, a dedicated mailing list, hebrew-gtk?) This might get a bit > techinical and specific for this list...) Current GTK input widgets are gtkentry (=single-line input fields) and gtktext (=multiline input fields). Those widgets are only suited for single-font input, not rich text. On this occasion, get my tweaks to Dov's latest hack on gtktext widget (the multiline one - gtkbiditext-0.0.1.tar.gz). I've removed the hebrew keyboard mapping part and the Alt-Shift mode switching (which should be implemented with Xkb in the RIGHT way). I've been using it very well with gnp and GnomeICU for now. Now overloads existing widgets (via LD_PRELOAD), not working as a separate widget. Based on GTK+-1.2.4 :( ftp://ftp.galanet.net/linux/hebrew/gtkbidi-0.0.1.tar.gz Those are my Xkb settings in XF86Config: XkbSymbols "us(pc104)+he+group(shift_alt_toggle)" I little fixed "he" mappings not to contain include "us(pc104)" nor the mode locking keys - neither do belong there. BTW; The Xkb stuff isn't X compliant yet. The hebrew characters gotta be in the X "sorta-unicode-charset" as said in , and translated via X calls using the current LOCALE's charset - that's as far as I understood. ftp://ftp.galanet.net/linux/hebrew/xkb.hebrew.tar.gz > Topics on the agenda: > 1. Adding Unicode support for text-widget Proper and full unicode is a mission to Pango (previously called GScript). Look it up in freshmeat. Anyhow, as I understand, proper BiDi widget in GTK+ should be: - modifying the widget/function which prints text, to reverse if font's charset is ISO-8859-8 (just as Windows reverses if the text's written in "hebrew font" but not with, assumingly ISO-8859-1, "web fonts"). - modify the editing widgets to store the cursor as a "pseudo-character". This should be the Unicode "pseudo" character which doesn't break direction and does not display. I'm pretty sure such one exists. - In Logical, cursor travelling works just like with english, and thus if fribidi reverses the text "on-display", it would also place the cursor "character" in the right place on display. - Selecting text might still be a little more problem. On a little different matter: I'm trying to figure out whether when having multiple languages with multiple X keyboard mappings, can (and should?) xkb handle them all via ISO_Next_Group etc. modifiers or the proper way is to have an external proggie handle the language switches? (I'm looking for the "right way to do it" :) -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie [http://toast.demon.co.il] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Israeli source for Linux compatible 56K modem.
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Re: True 64 Unix ?
--- Ilya Khayutin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only big advantage of Tru64 Unix on Linux/Solaris, > I know of is a great SMP support and a great, > built-in, support for clustering (if I am not > mistaken). Check http://www.unix.digital.com/cluster/ Alex = Alex Landsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-9-7413725 972-50-446000 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
I was working a little bit on the topic (the gtk+ coders & the gimp ones put where really interested to make internalization and I was the only guy from Israel at hand, so they volunteered me), if somebody will provide more help in this, so we can really go to the coding phase, this will be great. > That idea clicked right home. It should be possible > to handle the whole > right left problem entirely within a variant on the > Gtk+ text-widget. > Are there any Gtk+ hackers here who want to discuss > that idea somewhere > (Say, a dedicated mailing list, hebrew-gtk?) This > might get a bit > techinical and specific for this list...) > > Topics on the agenda: > 1. Adding Unicode support for text-widget > 2. Correctly interpreting direction > 3. Serialing contents of the text-widget > > Any other thoughts? > > -- > Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html > http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in > .com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
I was talking about full hebrew support, built-in into gtk+. Not only a bidi widget but also give the ability to create a hebrew UI and so on... This is what we really need for Linux hebrew support. There more applications then a text editor, a common isrealy user will also want more programs with hebrew support as: the gimp , a spreadship and much more... I think we should solve the problem from the root of it and not provide temporary solutions. Bye, Ilya --- Chen Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [instructions for writing hebrew emacs given hebrew > text widget snipped] > > It would have been true if Ury was looking for > emacs. > Ury, however, is looking for a simple word > processor. Which will require > more work. (and the text widget won't give us the > entire hebrew gui). > > Thanks, > Chen. > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., > run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote about "Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)": > I was working a little bit on the topic (the gtk+ > coders & the gimp ones put where really interested to > make internalization and I was the only guy from > Israel at hand, so they volunteered me), if somebody > will provide more help in this, so we can really go to > the coding phase, this will be great. I suggest you also tell this to the people in the ivrix-discuss mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED] - see http://ivrix.org.il for mailing-list registration instructions). Ivrix's goal is to have a free Linux distribution with a complete Hebrew support, and we can use all the help we can get (especially from people who do coding, or from people who know how to push other people to help them :)) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Mar 13 2000, 6 Adar II 5760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I put a dollar in one of those change http://nadav.harel.org.il |machines. Nothing changed. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: set_multmode
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Henry Ficher wrote:
> Hi List:
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> After cloning my old disk with Ghost to a slightly bigger one, I'm
> getting the following messages every time I boot :
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> Mar 12 22:49:49 Xitlali kernel: hda:hda: set_multmode: status=0x51 {
> DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> Mar 12 22:49:49 Xitlali kernel: hda: set_multmode: error=0x04 {
> DriveStatusError }
>
> Any ideas what this means?
>
> Could it be related to the fact that the new disk is Ultra DMA?
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> I'm running RedHat Linux 6.1 on a 2.2.14 kernel.
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> Thanx
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open source article
Hi, I write an Internet Business Law column for Internet.com's Boardwatch magazine . I'm writing a series of articles on open source and I'd like to get community feedback for my next article dealing with the question below. Can you post this or email your group members? If they want to respond or comment they can do so by emailing me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. I'll review responses until March 31, 2000, the deadline for the article. I expect the article will appear in the June magazine and online in July. I'd like to hear dissenting views as much as those that agree. Best regards, Tony QUESTION: I believe that Open Source is a very important freedom movement, because, like Harvard's Professor Lessig says, code is law, but with a non-human police force. With closed code, we'll all be prisoners in the very near future. So I believe that code MUST be open. But can anyone tell me why software can't be both open and sold like Windows? Why is it that software has to be basically given away if it's open? I'm not sure that anyone in Open Source has ever answered this question. It just seems to be assumed without any critical analysis. Why can't Open Source developers get a royalty percentage of the sale price just like writers, recording artists or movie actors, and the product sold just like Windows is through traditional channels, so that the developers get paid for their work? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: open source article
it doesn't look at BSD licence in example.. GNU is not only open source but free information look at the philosophy section of www.gnu.org Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi, | | I write an Internet Business Law column for Internet.com's Boardwatch | magazine . I'm writing a series of articles on open | source and I'd like to get community feedback for my next article dealing | with the question below. Can you post this or email your group members? If | they want to respond or comment they can do so by emailing me at | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. I'll review responses until March 31, 2000, the deadline | for the article. I expect the article will appear in the June magazine and | online in July. | | I'd like to hear dissenting views as much as those that agree. | | Best regards, | | Tony | | | | | QUESTION: | | I believe that Open Source is a very important freedom movement, because, | like Harvard's Professor Lessig says, code is law, but with a non-human | police force. With closed code, we'll all be prisoners in the very near | future. So I believe that code MUST be open. | | But can anyone tell me why software can't be both open and sold like Windows? | Why is it that software has to be basically given away if it's open? I'm not | sure that anyone in Open Source has ever answeredthis question. It just | seems to be assumed without any critical analysis. Why can't Open Source | developers get a royalty percentage of the sale price just like writers, | recording artists or movie actors, and the product sold just like Windows is | through traditional channels, so that the developers get paid for their work? | | | | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Why can't hebrew support be part of general-use products? MS Office2000 comes to mind as a proof that it can be done. The main missing piece is to add support into the graphics tool-kit (i.e. gtk, qt). If you want to translate the user interface you don't need anything else. Actually - if you would settle for visual hebrew, and just want to translate menus, dialogs, etc. - you don't even need bidi support in the widgets. All you need is that the program would allow the user to select the font for the gui. I've started translating windowmaker and lyx in that way, and it is suprisingly easy (although takes time to figure out how exactly one should translate all the terms, etc.). All it takes is a decent (plain) text editor with support of visual hebrew. You don't have to rebuild anything. Speaking of bidi support: * hopfully in the coming few monthes hebrew (and bidi) support will be added to mozilla. Note that the team from ibm-israel that is working on this project will only test this under win32 and os/2 (and maybe aix), and they rely on us users to test it on other platforms. * According to http://mosfet.org bidi support was added to the html module of KDE2's browser (Konquerer). Anybody here tried this? On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > I was talking about full hebrew support, built-in into > gtk+. Not only a bidi widget but also give the ability > to create a hebrew UI and so on... This is what we > really need for Linux hebrew support. There more > applications then a text editor, a commonisrealy user > will also want more programs with hebrew support as: > the gimp , a spreadship and much more... I think we > should solve the problem from the root of it and not > provide temporary solutions. > > Bye, > Ilya -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Why can't hebrew support be part of general-use products? MS Office2000 > comes to mind as a proof that it can be done. Do you know the difference between how much MS Office 2000 development costs was versus how much Israely people are willing to invent in Hebrew support for linux for no profit ? > The main missing piece is to add support into the graphics tool-kit (i.e. > gtk, qt). Good luck. Look, unless someone goes and write the damn thing, we won't have it. But we just talk about it; the IGLU-way. Talk, not actions. So, we need a simple hebrew editor, that will enable someone to write a letter to his bank. > If you want to translate the user interface you don't need anything else. > > Actually - if you would settle for visual hebrew, and just want to > translate menus, dialogs, etc. - you don't even need bidi support in the > widgets. All you need is that the program would allow the user to select > the font for the gui. > > I've started translating windowmaker and lyx in that way, and it is > suprisingly easy (although takes time to figure out how exactly one > should translate all the terms, etc.). All it takes is a decent > (plain) text editor with support of visual hebrew. You don't have to > rebuild anything. > > Speaking of bidi support: > * hopfully in the coming few monthes hebrew (and bidi) support will be > added to mozilla. Note that the team from ibm-israel that is working on > this project will only test this under win32 and os/2 (and maybe aix), and > they rely on us users to test it on other platforms. > * According to http://mosfet.org bidi support was added to the html module > of KDE2's browser (Konquerer). Anybody here tried this? > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > > > I was talking about full hebrew support, built-in into > > gtk+. Not only a bidi widget but also give the ability > > to create a hebrew UI and so on... This is what we > > really need for Linux hebrew support. There more > > applications then a text editor, a commonisrealy user > > will also want more programs with hebrew support as: > > the gimp , a spreadship and much more... I think we > > should solve the problem from the root of it and not > > provide temporary solutions. > > > > Bye, > > Ilya > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [iglu] Re: IW2K
> > OK. Let's set the meeting in Tuesday at 19:30. I suggest we meet in > LinuxQA offices ( The equipment is due to be here, too, so maybe we can > also install it! ) . It is In the Bursa area in Ramat-Gan, foot access > from Rakevet Merkaz, so it is easy for anyone not from Tel-Aviv to > get here. > Can you post more detailed address (ABCD building?)? What is the phone number of your offices? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [iglu] Re: IW2K
> > > OK. Let's set the meeting in Tuesday at 19:30. I suggest we meet in > > LinuxQA offices ( The equipment is due to be here, too, so > > maybe we can > > also install it! ) . It is In the Bursa area in Ramat-Gan, > > foot access > > from Rakevet Merkaz, so it is easy for anyone not from Tel-Aviv to > > get here. > > Need any additional people there? I can arrive too if needed. > Please do. Any new info on the Internet connection? It is my job to handle it but I am under the impression that you have made quite a progress about it? Can someone explain me how the booths are going to be connected to the Internet? I mean, can everyone with a booth order a line from BEZEQ? Does MERKAZ HAYERIDIM and other suppliers willing to sell band width to interested parties? How are these things get managed? Why can not we be satisfied with masquerade IPs? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:30:02PM +0200, Ury Segal wrote: > So, we need a simple hebrew editor, that will enable someone to write > a letter to his bank. Would gnp do? As I've told, the GTK+ bidi hack already provides pretty reasonable hebrew support for simple text editing (not rich). -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie [http://toast.demon.co.il] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[off topic] Compiling Solaris 2.6 binaries on Solaris 7
Hi!
What is the way to compile Solaris 2.6 binaries under
Solaris 7.
I hope there is no need to buy 2.6 just for that :{).
Thank you in advance for your help.
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RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
CS>> A better question would be: Why do Israeli users have to use CS>> abiword, they certainly don't deserve it! Its pretty broken! It's not broken, it's undeveloped. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
US>> I dare you. Show me how you write a RTL-LTR text on a non US>> RTL-LTR widget; or just show me good RTL-LTR widget. Qtext did this on DOS, which is not an RTL-LTR widget. US>> OR, show me a good Text widget. There isn't even ONE decent US>> Text Widget, let alone LTR-RTL. Show me a Text widget with US>> kerning, I will make it RTL-LTR. You know what, maybe kerning US>> is too much to ask for. Show me a Text Widget with Auto-Hypen. Err... Who really needs autho-hypen is text widget? It's unusable in any place except word-processor, so why should it be in widget? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
At 06:17 -0800 on 13/03/2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: >I was talking about full hebrew support, built-in into >gtk+. Not only a bidi widget but also give the ability >to create a hebrew UI and so on... This is what we >really need for Linux hebrew support. If I may add my 2c to the discussion. If any of you is serious about creating international support to the level allowing normal word processors, basic or advanced, should have some estimate of how big this task is and how much it involves. It is *definitely* more than just the tweaking of a text widget. Just to get this estimate, I strongly suggest that you take a look at Apple's documentation of the internationalization services within the MacOS. http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macos8/TextIntlSvcs/textintlsvcs.html Before you jump: yes, I know the MacOS is a primitive operating system, doesn't have preemptive multitasking, protected memory, or indeed a decent memory management scheme. But its GUI has been internationalized for ages, before Windows were even invented, much less internationalized. I used to write WYSIWYG Hebrew-English documents on a Mac back in 1986 myself... A look at their API is certainly a good clue to what internationalization entails. Just to point you around - what Apple calls "TextEdit" is their parallel to a simple text widget like the one we were talking about. As you can see in that site, it's just one little part of the whole scheme... Think font rendering, kerning, styling, input methods for languages whose character sets don't necessarily fit on a keyboard, bidirectionality within styled spans (superscripts and subscripts), character connection in Arabic, nikud, and so on. Once somebody actually does the job of making a set of libraries for international support (and I gather it won't be a single person), there can be many applications coming out of it to benefit us all: a normal web browser, for one, low and high level word processors, presentation software, visual application builders, PDF readers, and whatnot. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
> Moshe Zadka wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ilya Khayutin wrote: > > > > > A better option I think is to add hebrew > > > support, build-in, into GTK+. > > > > That idea clicked right home. It should be possible to handle the whole > > right left problem entirely within a variant on the Gtk+ text-widget. > > It is a good idea, but it will not give us a real hebrew editor. > I want an editor. > Why nobody mentions the Hebrew supporting Lyx version? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: open source article
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > QUESTION: > > I believe that Open Source is a very important freedom movement, because, > like Harvard's Professor Lessig says, code is law, but with a non-human > police force. With closed code, we'll all be prisoners in the very near > future. So I believe that code MUST be open. Ah! But how do you define open? Several plausible answers come to mind: - The code is available with the software, but the buyer may not change it - The code is available with the software. The buyer may change it for her own use, but must not distribute the changes. - The code is available with the software. The buyer may change it for her own use, may distribute the changes, but not charge for them - The code is available with the software. The buyer may distribute changes, but not the software itself. Ad nausuem. These definitions could all be called "open source" with conviction. However, the Open Source (or Free Software) community chose a particular set of freedoms it deems necessary. For example, anyone must have the freedom to modify an application, and further distribute it, even for money. That freedom is very important -- companies like Red Hat or Va Linux do the community a great service, and must be allowed to exist. Hence, "like Windows", meaning (I presume) a monopoly on a piece of software, cannot be called Open Source, or Free Software. Free Software developers are often paid -- there are several people developing Free Software for very nice salaries. > just like writers, recording artists or movie actors I take objection to that -- with the current business model for books and records, usually most of the profit goes to the company and the lawyers rather then to the creative personas. This is as much as a screwed up business model as the classical closed source business model -- making money for lawyers rather then the creative members of the community. -- Moshe Zadka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. http://www.oreilly.com/news/prescod_0300.html http://www.linux.org.il -- we put the penguin in .com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: IW2K flyers]
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --5B45A5CCDD83DCBE55B83FB0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am trying to coordinating IGLU preparations for IW2K instead of Ira. That is why I was forward your message. You are encourage to prepare a draft for an Hebrew flyer. I understand that you will be able to produce an EPS (Extended Post Script?) file. Am I correct? Are you able to also print the actual flyers? What about donnating time and be present at the booth? As for your IRC suggestion, I personally do not see much point to it at the present. However I am posting this to the mailing lists. People who think otherwise are encouraged to say so. > > > --5B45A5CCDD83DCBE55B83FB0 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: from in2.prserv.net (in2.prserv.net [32.97.166.45]) > by biff.ibm.net.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0E01036 > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:24:08 +0200 (IST) > Received: (from mail@localhost) > by in2.prserv.net (/) id TAA37230 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:24:26 GMT > X-Authentication-Warning: in2.prserv.net: mail set sender to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f > Received: from toaster.galanet.net [192.118.13.252] by in2.prserv.net id >952889061.45108-1 Sun, 12 Mar 2000 19:24:25 + > Received: (from future@localhost) > by toaster.galanet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01654 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:24:24 +0200 > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 21:24:23 +0200 > From: Ilya Konstantinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Ury Segal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: IW2K flyers > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.8i > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > X-Mozilla-Status2: > > Hey Ury, > > Thought you might have anything with the organization - > is anyone printing flyers? I've found out today a nice > app. for Linux called Sketch I never thought exists > in such quality. It seems to be developed from 1996 > and looks similar to CorelDraw - and can export to EPS. > (That's an illustration vector graphics application.) > Should I work on a hebrew flyer? > > Anyone has the IW2K organization serious in mind? > I spoke with Ira today, and he said he's sorta "burnt > out" for now and don't wanna be involved in the LUG > activities. Maybe all those who intend helping should > discuss it in some chat room before? (irc.linux.com - > #ILUG methinks) > > -- > Best regards, > Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie > [http://toast.demon.co.il] > > > --5B45A5CCDD83DCBE55B83FB0-- -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reinventing the wheel (Re: Hebrew Editor)
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > Why can't hebrew support be part of general-use products? MS Office2000 > comes to mind as a proof that it can be done. > > The main missing piece is to add support into the graphics tool-kit (i.e. > gtk, qt). This won't help for a word processor. > Speaking of bidi support: > * hopfully in the coming few monthes hebrew (and bidi) support will be > added to mozilla. Note that the team from ibm-israel that is working on > this project will only test this under win32 and os/2 (and maybe aix), and > they rely on us users to test it on other platforms. As far as I can tell this is already in M13 (in linux): The problem was that I could only "logical hebrew" pages, as Mozilla would run the text through bidi algorithm whenever I selece 8859-8, and I can't see hebrew letters in any other encoding. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"showers" list for IGLU booth on IW2K.
Show will be on 28, 29, 30, 11am-8pm. My list contain the following lines for people at the booth is as follows: 1) Guy Keren: 29th full day 2) Shaul Karl: 28th + 29th full day 3) Neer Friedman: 4pm-8pm ? 4) Alex Shnitman: 28th full day? 5) "Ereli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 4pm-8pm each day 6) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:One full day 7) Adi Stav: ? 8) Eitan Shefer: ? Did I omit/insert someone uncorrectly? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and how can I compute it for my network?
Any pointer and/or full explanation about the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and the way to compute it for my network? I guess that it has much to do with the subnet mask but isn't subnet masks of the form 255.255.0.0? -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: IW2K flyers]
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 03:28:28AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: > I am trying to coordinating IGLU preparations for IW2K instead of Ira. That is > why I was forward your message. > You are encourage to prepare a draft for an Hebrew flyer. I understand that > you will be able to produce an EPS (Extended Post Script?) file. Am I correct? In simple Postscript (.ps) or Adobe Illustrator (.ai). > Are you able to also print the actual flyers? What about donnating time and be > present at the booth? Printing the flyers? That's atleast a thousand of. I thought some company would again take it on itself. N-base was it last time? -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie [http://toast.demon.co.il] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and how can I compute it for my network?
On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:44:06AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: > Any pointer and/or full explanation about the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and the way to > compute it for my network? > I guess that it has much to do with the subnet mask but isn't subnet masks of > the form 255.255.0.0? 10.0.0.0 consists of 32 bits (8 bits for each number). /8 means 8 significant bits - thus, when an IP is compared to 10.0.0.0, it's enough for it to match the first 8 bits (= 1st IP number part, one byte). This is equivalent to: 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 /255.0.0.0 is a logical-AND mask. It will be logical-ANDed to 10.0.0.0 (or whatever subnet IP you specify) and to each and every IP which should be checked whether it is in your network (like 10.0.0.5 etc.). If after the subnet IP and the checked IP had the subnet mask applied to them, both IPs do match, then the checked IP is in the "subnet". -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie [http://toast.demon.co.il] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and how can I compute it for mynetwork?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Shaul Karl wrote:
> Any pointer and/or full explanation about the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and the way to
> compute it for my network?
> I guess that it has much to do with the subnet mask but isn't subnet masks of
> the form 255.255.0.0?
I attached a shell script that I got from someone, which translates CIDR
into subnet mask notation.
An example of usage:
ariel@fireaxe:~> cidr2dot 132.66.0.0/16
132.66.0.0/255.255.0.0
--Ariel
> --
> Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> An elephant is a mouse with an operating system.
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--
Ariel Biener
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086
fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC
#!/bin/bash -f
#
# Created by Ian Farmer
#
argv=`echo $*|awk -F/ '{print NF}'`
argv1=`echo $*|awk -F/ '$1!="" {print $1}'`
argv2=`echo $*|awk -F/ '$2!="" {print $2}'`
unset addr mask
if [ $argv -eq 1 ]; then
if ( $argv1 -lt 0 || $argv1 -gt 32 ) then
echo "CIDR is between 0 and 32."
exit 1
else
mask=$argv1
fi
elif [ $argv -eq 2 ]; then
if ( test $argv2 -lt 0 || test $argv2 -gt 32 ) then
echo "CIDR is between 0 and 32."
exit 1
else
addr=$argv1
mask=$argv2
fi
else
echo "Synopsis: $0 network/cidr or $0 cidr"
fi
unset c n tc smask ; tc=0
if [ "x${mask}" != "x" ]; then
while [ ${tc} -lt 4 ]; do
unset m ; c=0
while [ ${c} -lt 8 ]; do
if [ ${mask} -gt 0 ]; then
m="${m}1"
mask=`expr ${mask} - 1`
else
m="${m}0"
fi
c=`expr ${c} + 1`
done
m=`/bin/echo "obase=10\nibase=2\n${m}" | bc`
if [ ${tc} -gt 0 ]; then
smask="${smask}."
fi
smask="${smask}${m}"
tc=`expr ${tc} + 1` # incrementing the primary while
done
if [ "x${addr}" != "x" ]; then
echo ${addr}/${smask}
else
echo ${smask}
fi
fi
Re: What is the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and how can I compute it for mynetwork?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Ariel Biener wrote: I also include here a full translation table, for your convenience: /0 == 0.0.0.0 /1 == 128.0.0.0 /2 == 192.0.0.0 /3 == 224.0.0.0 /4 == 240.0.0.0 /5 == 248.0.0.0 /6 == 252.0.0.0 /7 == 254.0.0.0 /8 == 255.0.0.0 /9 == 255.128.0.0 /10 == 255.192.0.0 /11 == 255.224.0.0 /12 == 255.240.0.0 /13 == 255.248.0.0 /14 == 255.252.0.0 /15 == 255.254.0.0 /16 == 255.255.0.0 /17 == 255.255.128.0 /18 == 255.255.192.0 /19 == 255.255.224.0 /20 == 255.255.240.0 /21 == 255.255.248.0 /22 == 255.255.252.0 /23 == 255.255.254.0 /24 == 255.255.255.0 /25 == 255.255.255.128 /26 == 255.255.255.192 /27 == 255.255.255.224 /28 == 255.255.255.240 /29 == 255.255.255.248 /30 == 255.255.255.252 /31 == 255.255.255.254 /32 == 255.255.255.255 --Ariel > On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Shaul Karl wrote: > > > Any pointer and/or full explanation about the 8 in 10.0.0.0/8 and > the way to > compute it for my network? > I guess that it has much to > do with the subnet mask but isn't subnet masks of > the form > 255.255.0.0? > > > I attached a shell script that I got from someone, which translates CIDR > into subnet mask notation. > > An example of usage: > > ariel@fireaxe:~> cidr2dot 132.66.0.0/16 > 132.66.0.0/255.255.0.0 > > > --Ariel > > -- > > Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. > > > > > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Ariel Biener > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 > fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC > -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
