Re: ORACLE on Linux Red Hat 6.0
What? Oracle _8.5_ ?? I bet the Oracle guys would love to get their hands on version 8.5, it will save them lots of work :) If you mean Oracle8 (8.0), then it is indeed for purchase for Linux, and runs well (you'd have to change some process limits if you run a system with heavy-load) on RedHat, and on other distributions as well (Debian and SuSE and the only ones I tried it on). If you mean Oracle8i (8.15), then it's not yet available for Linux (is it the JDK issue? beats me. The NT version shipped with JDK 1.1.7). assaf sobelman wrote: > > any one know if the Red hat 6.0 supporting ORACLE 8.5 > > please answer me as soon as you some can . > > thank's > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Omer Efraim !- Software: Making your computer come alive so it can attack you -! Dave Barry in Cyberspace (probably using Windows) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
From: Eli Marmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > According to claims of VMware, the 2nd 'experimental' release (aka > 'Build 209') 'fixes the "Hebrew font" problem for Windows 95/98' > (all the 'quotations' are quotations of their "CHANGES"). Thanks for the update. This was the only reason I haven't bought it yet (or used it so far). But your phrasing make it sound as a claim only. Can anyone in this forum confirm this from first hand? I have a Hebrew-Enabled Lose98 on my Toshiba Laptop (4080XCDT) and I don't think I need or can overload its 2Gb reserved for Lose32 with Lose2000. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux demo
From: Eli Marmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > You probably meant "Swing". Swing is a replacement for AWT, but > contrary to AWT, it isn't based on the OS' GUI toolkit, but speaks > directly to the low layer of the graphics (like Xlib in the case > of UNIX). This allows it to support Unicode, even under platforms > without multi-lingual support. You still need fonts. Yes, I ment "Swing". It's the internal Sun codename for JFC which leaked out and became the de-facto common name for it. Swing does NOT replace AWT but is built in pure Java on top of AWT (e.g. you can download "swingall.jar" from java.sun.com and run Swing applications with JRE 1.1 (I do this with Moneydance for a few months now)). Yes, you still need fonts, but my impression from the lecture is that the rest of the code (bidi, logical, ligatures...) is already in there. > > Swing is a part of JFC which is a part of Java 2. Again, Swing *IS* JFC. --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
Hmm, I quite disagree with you... According to the Minimum requirment from MS, the minimum hardware needed for Win 2000 is: A. Pentium II 266 B. 64 MB RAM (from a field test - definately needed 128MB RAM) C. 1 GB empty space.. Now, if we'll take vmware, which gives you the performance of half of your real machine (eg: P-II 400 128 MB RAM works in VMWare as P200, 64MB RAM), then you'll need P-II 500, 128MB RAM - which is hardly found on many users PC's... I mostly recommend to use Win NT 4.0. It doesn't supports PnP natively, nor USB, but what it runs - vmware runs as well... Hetz Eli Marmor wrote: > > > I have a Hebrew-Enabled Lose98 on my Toshiba Laptop (4080XCDT) and I > > don't think I need or can overload its 2Gb reserved for Lose32 with > > Lose2000. > > I recommended to prefer Win2000 as a VMware guest over Win98, not > because of Hebrew issues, but because of the following reasons: > > 1. According to various reports in mailing lists and newsgroups of >VMware, NT runs much better and faster under VMware than Win98 >and 95. Win2000 is the latest and the best version of NT. > 2. Win2000 is stabler than any other MS OS, even in its beta 3. > 3. The main advantage of Win98/95 over NT is the better support >for more hardware devices, plug&play, etc. Since VMware >emulates a closed and specific hardware, which is fully >supported by both Win95/98 AND NT (now including Win2000), this >reason is not relevant anymore. > 4. As Linux users, some of us aren't used to the instability of >Win9X, so NT may be more familiar for us. > > Of course, if your disk is too small for Linux+Win2000, than these > points are not relevant for you. In addition, don't forget that > Win2000 requires a little more RAM than Win95/98. But once you > have enough memory, Win2000 will outperform Win9X. > > P.S. I never installed VMware, nor Win2000 (although I received > the 7 CDROMs beta3), and all the things I wrote here are based on > feedback and impressions of other people. > -- > Eli Marmor > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
Hiya Something is amiss here. VMWare guest OS'es are installed on a file residing on the linux fs, not on their own partition. This means that your comment about being able to boot Win2k outside of VMWare doesn't really apply - you'll still need to install it twice if you want to use it twice. However, Win2k will indeed fit on a 2GB partition and have space left for Developer Studio and all that stuff (as long as you don't install Office 2000 and you'll be fine :) Amos Shapira wrote: > > From: Eli Marmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I recommended to prefer Win2000 as a VMware guest over Win98, not [snip snip] > I have enough space on my disk for both Linux, Windows (hopefully) > and Solaris x86 (proper to a Sun employee, though Linux is used most > of the time). Each OS is given 2Gb. I also have 128Mb RAM. > I just wander whether: > > 1. Win2000 will fit in 2Gb as a stand-alone partition and still >have space for the MS C++ workshop and such. > > 2. Win2000 will support the particular Toshiba hardware (my laptop >came with extra toshiba-specific software to handle it). > > 3. It will work well with 128Mb RAM. > > The CPU is 366 Pentium II, more than enough as far as I heard > and seen so far. > > You are right that VMware comes with a closed set of "hardware > environment", but I'll have to be able to boot Windows without VMware > as well. > -- Omer Efraim !- Software: Making your computer come alive so it can attack you -! Dave Barry in Cyberspace (probably using Windows) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
From: Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hmm, I quite disagree with you... > > According to the Minimum requirment from MS, the minimum hardware needed > for Win 2000 is: > > A. Pentium II 266 > B. 64 MB RAM (from a field test - definately needed 128MB RAM) > C. 1 GB empty space.. > > Now, if we'll take vmware, which gives you the performance of half of > your real machine (eg: P-II 400 128 MB RAM works in VMWare as P200, 64MB > RAM), then you'll need P-II 500, 128MB RAM - which is hardly found on > many users PC's... > > I mostly recommend to use Win NT 4.0. It doesn't supports PnP natively, > nor USB, but what it runs - vmware runs as well... Does "no PnP" imply anything about the PCMCIA or the internal windmodem support? What about the built-in Maestro IIe sound card (well, at least that's what I suspect it to be)? (just a recup: it's a Toshiba Satellite 4080XCDT, with a P-II 366 MHz, 128 Mb RAM and 6Gb HD). Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
From: Omer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hiya > Something is amiss here. VMWare guest OS'es > are installed on a file residing on the linux > fs, not on their own partition. This means that your > comment about being able to boot Win2k outside of VMWare > doesn't really apply - you'll still need to install it > twice if you want to use it twice. Nope. What's missing is that you overlooked a feature of VMware. Look for support for "raw partition": http://www.vmware.com/products/productfaq.html Also, from the "Disks" section: -- Can I use VMware with operating systems installed on hard disk partitions? Yes. Guest operating systems can also be installed on physical disk partitions if preferred. This capability is currently supported on IDE drives only. -- > However, Win2k will indeed fit on a 2GB partition and > have space left for Developer Studio and all that stuff > (as long as you don't install Office 2000 and you'll be fine :) What about Office 97 Hebrew? That's my main need for Lose98. Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
Woops, my bad. Was it in the beta build as well? Anyhow, it probably won't work. You would have to use 2 different hardware profiles (as your machine running inside VMWare obviously has different 'hardware' then the normal install) - and who knows how Win2k will react to being booted under two sets of completely different hardware. On the other hand...it could turn out ok. Won't know till you try (this is radically different hardware now, notebook vs. a virtual desktop pc). In addition, what do they mean by 'raw partition'?? It's not a raw partition, it's an NTFS partition mounted under Linux (I suppose you'll want to use NTFS as NTFS5 is nice, much better than FAT anyhow). Linux doesn't have very good support for writing to NTFS volumes - actually a huge bug was recently found (not huge per-se, but it did mean that writes that would exceed the old file size could trash your whole disk by writing past the end of it...). Office 97 is not that large. Larger than it should be maybe, but you just knock off most of the crappy add-ons that it comes with. I judt recommended to avoid Office 2000 cause it's much slower (Outlook 2000 is much much slower on my AMD K2-350, I feel like I'm using Outlook on a P166). Not to mention that horrible Photodraw - runs like crap on a Dual P2-350. It's amazing :) Amos Shapira wrote: > > From: Omer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hiya > > Something is amiss here. VMWare guest OS'es > > are installed on a file residing on the linux > > fs, not on their own partition. This means that your > > comment about being able to boot Win2k outside of VMWare > > doesn't really apply - you'll still need to install it > > twice if you want to use it twice. > > Nope. What's missing is that you overlooked a feature of VMware. > Look for support for "raw partition": > http://www.vmware.com/products/productfaq.html > > Also, from the "Disks" section: > > -- > Can I use VMware with operating systems installed on hard disk partitions? > > Yes. Guest operating systems can also be installed on physical disk > partitions if preferred. This capability is currently supported on IDE > drives only. > -- > > > However, Win2k will indeed fit on a 2GB partition and > > have space left for Developer Studio and all that stuff > > (as long as you don't install Office 2000 and you'll be fine :) > > What about Office 97 Hebrew? That's my main need for Lose98. > > Thanks, > > --Amos > > --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for > | glory, for its people had been chosen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." > | -- Anonymous > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Omer Efraim !- Software: Making your computer come alive so it can attack you -! Dave Barry in Cyberspace (probably using Windows) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
Replying to my own post, duh. I just wanted to add that judging by the comment in the VMWare FAQ that you pointed out (installing OS'es on phsyical disk partitions, a feature that only works on IDE drives) it seems that it uses _raw_ access. That means that it's just a raw partition, you cannot boot it or run anything from it anyhow, it doesn't conform to any file system. That is if I understand the use of the word 'raw' correctly in this context. Omer wrote: > > Woops, my bad. > > Was it in the beta build as well? > > Anyhow, it probably won't work. > You would have to use 2 different hardware > profiles (as your machine running inside VMWare obviously > has different 'hardware' then the normal install) - and > who knows how Win2k will react to being booted under > two sets of completely different hardware. On the > other hand...it could turn out ok. Won't know till > you try (this is radically different hardware now, > notebook vs. a virtual desktop pc). > > In addition, what do they mean by 'raw partition'?? > It's not a raw partition, it's an NTFS partition mounted > under Linux (I suppose you'll want to use NTFS as NTFS5 > is nice, much better than FAT anyhow). Linux doesn't have > very good support for writing to NTFS volumes - actually > a huge bug was recently found (not huge per-se, but it > did mean that writes that would exceed the old file size > could trash your whole disk by writing past the end of it...). > > Office 97 is not that large. Larger than it should be maybe, > but you just knock off most of the crappy add-ons that it comes > with. I judt recommended to avoid Office 2000 cause it's > much slower (Outlook 2000 is much much slower on my AMD K2-350, > I feel like I'm using Outlook on a P166). Not to mention that > horrible Photodraw - runs like crap on a Dual P2-350. It's > amazing :) > > Amos Shapira wrote: > > > > From: Omer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Hiya > > > Something is amiss here. VMWare guest OS'es > > > are installed on a file residing on the linux > > > fs, not on their own partition. This means that your > > > comment about being able to boot Win2k outside of VMWare > > > doesn't really apply - you'll still need to install it > > > twice if you want to use it twice. > > > > Nope. What's missing is that you overlooked a feature of VMware. > > Look for support for "raw partition": > > http://www.vmware.com/products/productfaq.html > > > > Also, from the "Disks" section: > > > > -- > > Can I use VMware with operating systems installed on hard disk partitions? > > > > Yes. Guest operating systems can also be installed on physical disk > > partitions if preferred. This capability is currently supported on IDE > > drives only. > > -- > > > > > However, Win2k will indeed fit on a 2GB partition and > > > have space left for Developer Studio and all that stuff > > > (as long as you don't install Office 2000 and you'll be fine :) > > > > What about Office 97 Hebrew? That's my main need for Lose98. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Amos > > > > --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for > > | glory, for its people had been chosen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." > > | -- Anonymous > > > > = > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Omer Efraim > !- Software: Making your computer come alive so it can attack you -! > Dave Barry in Cyberspace (probably using Windows) > > = > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Omer Efraim !- Software: Making your computer come alive so it can attack you -! Dave Barry in Cyberspace (probably using Windows) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http online
From: "Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > M>> How can i see who is connected to my server via http ? > > netstat -ta | grep :www | grep ESTABLISHED Why "-ta"? the "-a" adds unconnected server listening sockets, they'll never be "established", by definition. --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FTP problems
From: "Eli Hadad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Hi, > > I have 586 laptop with linux at work and when I need to download a lot of staff > I download it at work to the laptop and take him home and upload from it to my > linux desktop at home. > > For some reason when I ftp-ing from my desktop to the laptop or the opposite it > takes > about 30-60 sec to connect. > > The machines are responding to ping fine, the problem is with ftp,rlogin and > telnet. > I use RH6.0 on both the machines. > > Note that at work I am using ftp and rlogin to the laptop without any problems > mentioned. > > any idea. Check your nsswitch.conf file and generally the bind/yp or whatever you use to resolve names. Also check for configuration of identd checks. I don't know if it's available for RH, but there is a nice little package for Debian called "netenv" which allows you to pick up your current settings when the machine boots, just before running all the initialization scripts. --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
> I have a Hebrew-Enabled Lose98 on my Toshiba Laptop (4080XCDT) and I > don't think I need or can overload its 2Gb reserved for Lose32 with > Lose2000. I recommended to prefer Win2000 as a VMware guest over Win98, not because of Hebrew issues, but because of the following reasons: 1. According to various reports in mailing lists and newsgroups of VMware, NT runs much better and faster under VMware than Win98 and 95. Win2000 is the latest and the best version of NT. 2. Win2000 is stabler than any other MS OS, even in its beta 3. 3. The main advantage of Win98/95 over NT is the better support for more hardware devices, plug&play, etc. Since VMware emulates a closed and specific hardware, which is fully supported by both Win95/98 AND NT (now including Win2000), this reason is not relevant anymore. 4. As Linux users, some of us aren't used to the instability of Win9X, so NT may be more familiar for us. Of course, if your disk is too small for Linux+Win2000, than these points are not relevant for you. In addition, don't forget that Win2000 requires a little more RAM than Win95/98. But once you have enough memory, Win2000 will outperform Win9X. P.S. I never installed VMware, nor Win2000 (although I received the 7 CDROMs beta3), and all the things I wrote here are based on feedback and impressions of other people. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
From: Eli Marmor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I recommended to prefer Win2000 as a VMware guest over Win98, not > because of Hebrew issues, but because of the following reasons: > > 1. According to various reports in mailing lists and newsgroups of >VMware, NT runs much better and faster under VMware than Win98 >and 95. Win2000 is the latest and the best version of NT. > 2. Win2000 is stabler than any other MS OS, even in its beta 3. > 3. The main advantage of Win98/95 over NT is the better support >for more hardware devices, plug&play, etc. Since VMware >emulates a closed and specific hardware, which is fully >supported by both Win95/98 AND NT (now including Win2000), this >reason is not relevant anymore. > 4. As Linux users, some of us aren't used to the instability of >Win9X, so NT may be more familiar for us. > > Of course, if your disk is too small for Linux+Win2000, than these > points are not relevant for you. In addition, don't forget that > Win2000 requires a little more RAM than Win95/98. But once you > have enough memory, Win2000 will outperform Win9X. I have enough space on my disk for both Linux, Windows (hopefully) and Solaris x86 (proper to a Sun employee, though Linux is used most of the time). Each OS is given 2Gb. I also have 128Mb RAM. I just wander whether: 1. Win2000 will fit in 2Gb as a stand-alone partition and still have space for the MS C++ workshop and such. 2. Win2000 will support the particular Toshiba hardware (my laptop came with extra toshiba-specific software to handle it). 3. It will work well with 128Mb RAM. The CPU is 366 Pentium II, more than enough as far as I heard and seen so far. You are right that VMware comes with a closed set of "hardware environment", but I'll have to be able to boot Windows without VMware as well. Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
> I have enough space on my disk for both Linux, Windows (hopefully) > and Solaris x86 (proper to a Sun employee, though Linux is used most Wow! The same combination (Linux+Win+Solaris) that I'm going to use under MY laptop (currently, I have separate disks for Win95 and for Solaris, while Linux is installed on another machine, but VMware solves the current limitations). > of the time). Each OS is given 2Gb. I also have 128Mb RAM. > I just wander whether: > > 1. Win2000 will fit in 2Gb as a stand-alone partition and still >have space for the MS C++ workshop and such. I don't have any idea, especially because I don't know the development environments of Win32. > 2. Win2000 will support the particular Toshiba hardware (my laptop >came with extra toshiba-specific software to handle it). This will not be a problem at all. You *DON'T* run under Toshiba, but under VMware, with a specific NIC, a specific sound card, a specific video, etc. These hardware devices were chosen carefully so any operating system would support them. Of course, it has two drawbacks, but youhave them with any other guest OS too: 1. Any hardware which is not supported by the host OS (currently only Linux), cannot be supported by any guest. 2. Any hardware which is not supported by VMware (e.g. CDRW), can not be supported by any guest. > 3. It will work well with 128Mb RAM. Again, the point is that ONCE you have enough memory for any of these guest OSes, NT will outperform Win98. The problem was if you had less memory (let's assume 80MB), which is enough for Win98 but not for NT. > The CPU is 366 Pentium II, more than enough as far as I heard > and seen so far. The CPU *SHOULD NOT* be a reason to prefer a liter OS (Win98?) over NT; If NT runs faster under VMware, then it is better than Win98 even with VERY slow processors, like 133MHz. It may run very slow, but Win98 will be even slower. > You are right that VMware comes with a closed set of "hardware > environment", but I'll have to be able to boot Windows without VMware > as well. Ough... This may make your life much harder. First of all, it prevents you from using a virtual disk which is a simple file of the host. It means that you will suffer bad performance, and that you will not have access to some cool features of the virtual disk, like undoable disk. But it is even worse: The drivers which are used by the same OS, are different under VMware and as a stand-alone system. I am even not sure that it is possible. There is another option: To install Windows twice, and to put all your files / documents / installed-software / whatever, under a shared filesystem / partition / virtual disk / whatever. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Samba Problem...?
Hi... i recently upgraded my 2.0.36 Kernel on my RH 5.2 to 2.2.5-23 ... no problem (as far as i can see..) also upgraded Samba etc my problem is with smbmout, for some reason it won't mount my network shares with the same commands that it did before... i've tried upgrading smbfs to 2.0.2-6 and still nothing... because the new samba doesn't come with smbclient and i couldn't find how to "View" network shares i extracted the one from the samba 1.9.smth that came with RH5.2 and i can see my shares without any problem... also i know that TCPIP works fine (AFAIK) so i don't think the problem is with the kernel i compiled... any help would be appreciated... i know it's probably something small and irritating but i can't find the problem... BTW: another small problem (probably KB Language problem) - i can't see some of my ANSI prompt since the upgrade... actually the only thing i can't see are the lines... (i forgot what there called... i know that in dos i use to get them with ASCII codes (ALT+2?? )) (Works in X\Eterms - Only console has a problem) thanks in advance... Benji Selano = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
Quoting Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does "no PnP" imply anything about the PCMCIA or the internal > windmodem support? What about the built-in Maestro IIe sound card > (well, at least that's what I suspect it to be)? > Most of the Winmodems do not work with Win.NT since the manufacturers did not write the driver for it. Since WinModems work in software, any OS needs its own different driver (that's the reason that Linux does hot have Winmodem support too). As for your previous question about visual studio, it depends. If you choose to install the whole thing it is 600 MB, and if you choose to install all of the documentations that come with it you get another 1300MB. You don't have to install everything, though (I do, since it is not a great deal of fun to have to look for disk 2 of the documentation when you need some info, and you don't know exactly where everything is since there are about 500MB of "other documentation" when you choose what to install (talking about the April edition of the MSDN library). Liran. -- __ Liran Zvibel.| " Give a man a fish and you System Programmer, System Administrator. | feed him for a day; email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | teach him to use the Net phone : 972-54-876808 ; 972-3-6499371| and he won't bother you home : http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz| for weeks. " UIN : 708004; WHOIS : LZ615| -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Demo Day
Quoting Yoni Elhanani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > StarDivision has plans to add hebrew support for the next StarOffice, so > I've heard. IIRC, Corel is going to release its full office suite for Linux with Hebrew support. It will be a commercial product, but so is MS-Office. StarrOffice has some credibility problems (large companies that I talked to and tried using staroffice had lots of problems, and didn't get the support). Corel OTOH, seems to be a large player in the field. Liran. -- __ Liran Zvibel.| " Give a man a fish and you System Programmer, System Administrator. | feed him for a day; email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | teach him to use the Net phone : 972-54-876808 ; 972-3-6499371| and he won't bother you home : http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz| for weeks. " UIN : 708004; WHOIS : LZ615| -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Demo Day
Quoting Mike Almogy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > me too. > just say where and when > > Mike > Usually I hate me too letters, but this is an exception. If it is close to Tel-Aviv, I'm willing to do any kind of help that I can provide. Liran. -- __ Liran Zvibel.| " Give a man a fish and you System Programmer, System Administrator. | feed him for a day; email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | teach him to use the Net phone : 972-54-876808 ; 972-3-6499371| and he won't bother you home : http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz| for weeks. " UIN : 708004; WHOIS : LZ615| -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Eli Marmor wrote: > > > You are right that VMware comes with a closed set of "hardware > > environment", but I'll have to be able to boot Windows without VMware > > as well. > > Ough... This may make your life much harder. First of all, it > prevents you from using a virtual disk which is a simple file of > the host. It means that you will suffer bad performance, and that > you will not have access to some cool features of the virtual > disk, like undoable disk. You can still use the undoable disk feature with raw partitions. > But it is even worse: The drivers which are used by the same OS, > are different under VMware and as a stand-alone system. I am even > not sure that it is possible. > It is possible. You just set up two hardware profiles in Windows: one for the "real" machine and one for the "virtual" machine (i.e., operation as a VMware host). Ken = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux and NT as Web Server (again) on the Test Bed
http://www.heise.de/ct/english/99/13/186-1/ Vitaly. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux demo
Hi, few things for the demo: 1. one question we will be asked will be: will star office read my old files? 2. consider the following "cheat" for simulated hebrew support - lots of java products are multilinguistic, and java ofcourse run on linux. there's a multilingual java mail for example. write mail in hebrew, english, arabic and russian in the same letter without any fonts installed. 3. besides showing them that we do everything they allready do, how do we show them we do it better? I mean you can't show "linux won't crash" in a 5 min demo, right? (although mr. Gates managed to crash win98 in such demo) Chen. Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ÿÿ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Demo Day
A quick comments on Hebrew support: * No, there is not even anything close to Hebrew support for any office applications yet. Hopefully the ivrix project will cause people to be more active on any levels. * Hebrew netscape: - The patches that Eli Marmor has made will probably be quite useless when Netscape 5.0 comes out, as both the underlying widget set changed (from Motif to Gtk) and there is a new layout engine. - There probably wouldn't be too difficult to support the same kind of implicit mode that M$ does in Mozilla, by letting fribidi have a go at the strings before they are drawn to the screen. (With a simplistic solution you won't be able to copy text from the Mozilla though, but it is better than nothing). Somebody with the time and the diskspace should pull over the Mozilla sources and check what's involved. - But still, it is nice as a temporary solution. * The localization efforts are nice but useless, unless there is Hebrew support in the underlying widget sets. * You could possibly show protobidi at the linux demo day to show that there is development taking place in the direction of Hebrew. * Finally, you might be interested to learn that I have during the last few nights started hacking on the gtk 1.2 widget to support the same interactions that I implemented in protobidi, but I don't think that I will have anything ready in time for the show. * In short, I'd love to see Linux penetrating into the Hebrew desktops and into school systems. But it is far too early yet to convince someone to drop windows... Dov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux demo
chen shapira wrote: > > Hi, > > few things for the demo: > > 1. one question we will be asked will be: will star office read my old files? Definitely YES! Both english and russian (KOI8) texts made in Word were recognized by StarOffice 5.1 and properly formatted. The same with a couple of PPT files downloaded from Microsoft site. Even more - my boss downloaded and installed SO5.1 for Win32 on his laptop. When I asked him why didn't he use M$ Office, he said there are lot of things that he can do with StarOffice and can't do with PowerPoint. > 2. consider the following "cheat" for simulated hebrew support - lots of java > products are multilinguistic, and java ofcourse run on linux. there's a > multilingual java mail for example. write mail in hebrew, english, arabic and > russian in the same letter without any fonts installed. Java i18n requires some support on the OS level. E.g. the japanese java application won't work on machine with no japanese fonts and locales installed. AFAIK hebrew locale is not supported by Sun JDK yet. http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/docs/guide/internat/index.html Anyway, locale definitions and font mapping are still needed, as well as right-to-left direction support. Let's wait for Blackdown Java 2 port released and add hebrew extensions there. > 3. besides showing them that we do everything they allready do, how do we show > them we do it better? I mean you can't show "linux won't crash" in a 5 min > demo, right? (although mr. Gates managed to crash win98 in such demo) Well, you can have Netscape, StarOffice, Gimp, Gnome & Enlightenment and Doom running on the P120 with 64 Mb RAM. Just ask any win32 user how much RAM does he have on his PC and how many applications he can run at the same time :) -- - | Eugene L. Berman | | |--<<-+-<<@ | | | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | NIHIL HABENTES,| | Phone #: ++972-3-5538210 | OMNIA POSSIDENTES. | | Mobile #: 054-809439 | | | http://www.mannanetwork.com| | - = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-il Digest V1 #79
>>>I meant being out-of-date with regard to /Hebrew desktop applications/. We're fighting for /desktop users/ not for sysadmins or developers (they /know/ what Linux is if they live on Earth). So let me ask you again -- are there applications that can serve as close replacement for Microsoft Office Hebrew Edition?<<< I used to agree with this statment. I think the last couple of weeks changed my mind: Linux is fighting for the Desktop, but at least in Israel, the fight for the servers and developers mind share is far from over. We are way behind the US/World in this respect. Only when we have won enough ground in the developers/servers arena can we start REALLY going for the Desktop in Israel (but don't let this stop you from trying! ;-) In MANY places in Israel people use NT/IIS based web "solutions" and thinks they grabbed their favorite deity by the reproductive organs. So many major sites in Israel depend on propriety technology that's it scary... The "AOL ditching CommTouch for not supporting Linux" story is a very telling one: AOL, the US based corp. understands Linux, CommTouch from Ein Vered doesn't - In other words: we in Israel have not reached the point where the rest of the world is. This is no news, Isreal is always behind on new trends. There are, IMHO two reasons for this: 1. Hebrew support. Nothing more to add here. I hope Ivrix will take care of that. 2. The huge pirate market in Israel - Most developers don't pay for their software. You are MUCH more open to the ideas of Open Source when you're PAID for copy of just crashed in front of your eyes and get asked for a ridiculous amount of money for tech support that does no good rather then when you're just pirating the software. I think we should focus on drawing more developer/sophisticated users. This is the the route that Linux took in the big world, and I think we should follow it. Sure, sell Linux to the unwashed masses, but only after we reach the right point. In Israel, we haven't. Use DEMO day to "sell" Linux in SciComp department in collages/universities. IMHO it will do much more good. Just my 2E-2 NIS, Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finally: Hebrew under VMware!
According to claims of VMware, the 2nd 'experimental' release (aka 'Build 209') 'fixes the "Hebrew font" problem for Windows 95/98' (all the 'quotations' are quotations of their "CHANGES"). It is not so important anymore, since the new version fixes also the problems with Windows2000, which didn't have the Hebrew problem, and which is much better and stabler (even in its beta3) than any OS that Microsoft has ever released. So now you can use Hebrew with both Win98 (which had problems with Hebrew) and with Win2000 (which didn't have problems with Hebrew, but general problems). Seems it's finally the time for me to upgrade my hardware so I can join the users of the cool VMware. Or maybe it is better to wait a little more, for 1.1. It looks closer than ever, with the new build. I also want to thank the local users who helped us in reporting this bug again and again. I was a little "nudnik" in this issue, and I asked them to report this bug after any new public build, so VMware will be aware of the importance of this bug, and that it was still there after the new builds. I am almost sure that without these reports, VMware would not fix this bug, but other bugs. So Hetz/Ken/mars/etc., thank you! -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with Modem Device
I have SuSE distribution of LINUX and... All the installation was smooth and no problems came up, When I loading the System I am receiving all DONE messages, but somehow when I try to use my modem, the things starting to mix up... At the first time I clicked 'KPPP' I was announced the following message: "kppp has detected a 'lock' option in /etc/ppp/options" Then I deleted the 'lock' word and for now on I get this message: "Sorry, the modem is busy" And if I try right again to press 'Connect' I get: "Sorry, kppp's helper process just died. since a further execution would be pointless, kppp will shut down right now" Do you have idea how should I solve it? Thanks... Dvir Geva email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] winmail.dat
sparc and redhat6 - any one done it ?
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[Fwd: FW: MICROSOFT TO SELL AD SPACE IN ERROR MESSAGES]
Microsoft announced that it is selling advertising space in the error messages that appear in Windows. Acknowledging for the first time that the average user of their operating system encounters error messages at least several times a day, Microsoft is trying to take financial advantage of the unavoidable opportunity to make an ad impression. "We estimate that throughout the world at any given moment several million people are getting a "general protection fault" or "illegal operation" warning. We will be able to generate significant revenue by including a short advertising message along with it," said Microsoft marketing director Nathan Mirror. The Justice Department immediately indicated that they intend to investigate whether Microsoft is gaining an unfair advantage in reaching the public with this advertising by virtue of its semi-monopolistic control over error messages.
ORACLE on Linux Red Hat 6.0
any one know if the Red hat 6.0 supporting ORACLE 8.5 please answer me as soon as you some can . thank's = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux demo
From: "Eugene L. Berman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Java i18n requires some support on the OS level. E.g. the japanese java > application > won't work on machine with no japanese fonts and locales installed. > AFAIK hebrew locale is not supported by Sun JDK yet. > > http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.2/docs/guide/internat/index.html > > Anyway, locale definitions and font mapping are still needed, as well as > right-to-left direction support. Let's wait for Blackdown Java 2 port > released and add hebrew extensions there. I haven't got a chance to play with it directly, but there was a very impressive lecture about Java multi-language support in JavaOne '99 (two weeks ago) where they showed typing of Hebrew, Arabic and Chinese and text display of many more languages, all in the same window, also with locale support swithing the labels and button positions when switched the locale to Arabic. So you might want to check your records again. Here is the entry for the session I attended: http://industry.java.sun.com/javaone/99/event/0,1768,703,00.html Hope this helps, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux demo
> I haven't got a chance to play with it directly, but there was a very > impressive lecture about Java multi-language support in JavaOne '99 > (two weeks ago) where they showed typing of Hebrew, Arabic and Chinese > and text display of many more languages, all in the same window, also > with locale support swithing the labels and button positions when > switched the locale to Arabic. You probably meant "Swing". Swing is a replacement for AWT, but contrary to AWT, it isn't based on the OS' GUI toolkit, but speaks directly to the low layer of the graphics (like Xlib in the case of UNIX). This allows it to support Unicode, even under platforms without multi-lingual support. You still need fonts. Swing is a part of JFC which is a part of Java 2. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux Demo Day
Thanks for people who're following this thread. 0. We cannot convince the people of Israel to use Linux without offering them good and stable Hebrew support. We must acknowledge the fact that we have almost nothing to offer right now. Solution to this problem is obvious -- design and coding. Therefore our message at Linux Demo Day should be like "Look how great Linux is, let's develop for Hebrew speakers". We must stress the need for Hebrew support. We must stress the fact that nobody will develop one for us. 1. We should carefully select our target auditory: it's just a waste of time and resources to talk to random by-passers at Dizenhoff or Malkey Israel -- we have nothing to tell 'em. We must talk to developers because we fight for desktop users. 2. Maybe there should be yet another installation party (what is really cool, BTW) but it is much more important to gather people willing to develop AND ACTUALLY SHOW THEM HOW TO BUILD LINUX APPLICATIONS. We should invite people that do efforts in bringing Hebrew to Linux and ask them to talk about it. Ask them to show how they do it, which tools they use etc. In short, we need Linux Development Demo Day. We need people to talk on and show development with/for GTK+GNOME+CORBA/Qt+KDE+KOM. Meeting of [would-be] developers with Dov Grobgeld, Eli Marmor, Nadav Har'El should be great thing (sorry if I missed somebody who made Hebrew development efforts -- I am new to this list). All the stuff must be targeted primarily at non-Linux programmers. 3. We need to define our priorities: Hebrew Linux distribution (Ivrix project) is all fine for me but IMHO, we can't chew this. Free Hebrew enabled office suite on top of regular distributions must come first. My Debian is brilliant, I just wanna be able to create Hebrew documents on it :) I understand, it's hard to make this happen but we need to do as much as we are able. Just do it -- it would be really haval` not to :) How much people are really interested in all this? [All suggestions and opinions expressed here are mine and nobody else's.] Vadim Penzin[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
