getting parts of the system start barline invisible

[Zoran Kesic]

Hi,

Although relatively new to Lilypond, I was able to find solutions to my
needs so far, thanks to this forum and fantastic supporting documentation
for Lilypond.

However, there is one thing that is driving me mad and I was hoping someone
would be able to help me with this code:

\score { << 
\new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>

\new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with { systemStartDelimiter =
#'SystemStartNoBar } <<
\new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
\new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
\new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >> >> >>
} 

Is it possible to make a portion of the system start barline that is
connecting the top two staves (i.e. 'staff_I' and 'staff_II') invisible?

Any help would be much appreciated. (Apologies for badly placed << and >>
symbols; trying to avoid the top-posting error!)

Thanks
Zoran 


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Re: getting parts of the system start barline invisible

[Zoran Kesic]

Zoran Kesic  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Although relatively new to Lilypond, I was able to find solutions to my
> needs so far, thanks to this forum and fantastic supporting documentation
> for Lilypond.
> 
> However, there is one thing that is driving me mad and I was hoping someone
> would be able to help me with this code:
> 
> \score { << 
> \new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>
> 
> \new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with { systemStartDelimiter =
> #'SystemStartNoBar } <<
> \new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
> \new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
> \new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >> >> >>
> } 
> 
> Is it possible to make a portion of the system start barline that is
> connecting the top two staves (i.e. 'staff_I' and 'staff_II') invisible?
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated. (Apologies for badly placed << and >>
> symbols; trying to avoid the top-posting error!)
> 
> Thanks
> Zoran 
> 

Apologies, here is the correct code:

\score { << 
\new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>

\new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with {  } <<
\new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
\new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
\new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >> >> >>
}  

Thanks
Zoran




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Re: getting parts of the system start barline invisible

[Zoran Kesic]

Pierre Perol-Schneider  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Oups, copy/paste typo.
> So here again :\version "2.18.2"\score {   <<    \new Staff = "staff_I"
\with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>  \new StaffGroup = "sgStrings"
\with { } <<  \new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' {
c1 } >>  \new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 }
>>  \new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
  >>   >>  \layout {    \context {  \Score  \remove
System_start_delimiter_engraver    }    \context {  \StaffGroup 
systemStartDelimiterHierarchy = #'(SystemStartBar (SystemStartBracket 1 2
3))    }  }}
> Cheers,
> Pierre
> 
> 
> 2015-03-18 7:52 GMT+01:00 Pierre Perol-Schneider  gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Zoran,
> Try :\version "2.18.2"\score {   <<    \new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  }
<< \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>    <<  \new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with
{ } <<  \new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 }
>>  \new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 }
>>  \new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
  >>   \new Dynamics { s1 }    >>  >>  \layout {    \context { 
\Score  \remove System_start_delimiter_engraver    }    \context { 
\StaffGroup  systemStartDelimiterHierarchy = #'(SystemStartBar
(SystemStartBracket 1 2 3))    }  }}
> Cheers,
> Pierre
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-18 2:31 GMT+01:00 Zoran Kesic  gmail.com>:
> Zoran Kesic  gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Although relatively new to Lilypond, I was able to find solutions to my
> > needs so far, thanks to this forum and fantastic supporting documentation
> > for Lilypond.
> >
> > However, there is one thing that is driving me mad and I was hoping someone
> > would be able to help me with this code:
> >
> > \score { <<
> >     \new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>
> >
> >     \new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with { systemStartDelimiter =
> > #'SystemStartNoBar } <<
> >         \new Staff = "staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
> >         \new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
> >         \new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >> >> >>
> > }
> >
> > Is it possible to make a portion of the system start barline that is
> > connecting the top two staves (i.e. 'staff_I' and 'staff_II') invisible?
> >
> > Any help would be much appreciated. (Apologies for badly placed << and >>
> > symbols; trying to avoid the top-posting error!)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Zoran
> >Apologies, here is the correct code:
> \score { <<
>     \new Staff = "staff_I" \with {  } << \relative c' { c2 c2 } >>
>     \new StaffGroup = "sgStrings" \with {  } <<        \new Staff =
"staff_II" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
>         \new Staff = "staff_III" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >>
>         \new Staff = "SG Staff 3" \with {  } << \relative c' { c1 } >> >> >>
> }Thanks
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Exactly what I needed!
Thank you so much Pierre.

Cheers,
Zoran 
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Re: getting parts of the system start barline invisible

[Zoran Kesic]

Simon Albrecht  mail.de> writes:

> > Any help would be much appreciated. (Apologies for badly placed << and >>
> > symbols; trying to avoid the top-posting error!)
> This may be avoided by including the line
>  > I'm not top posting.
> at the beginning. (This is only said in 
> )
> 
> Yours, Simon
> 

Thanks a lot, Simon. I searched for more info on how to avoid the error, but
did not come across that page.

Cheers,
Zoran



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Re: [OT] arbitrary-row matrix generator?

[Zoran Kesic]

Kieren MacMillan  sympatico.ca> writes:

> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Does anyone know of an arbitrary-row matrix generator app/tool/website,
that would do to (e.g.) a 10-note
> Dorian “row” like
> 
>D  G  A  E  F  A  G  B  C  A
> 
> what standard 12-tone matrix generators (like
> ) do to a 12-note
chromatic row?
> Ultimately, the tool should be able to accept any set of pitches as the
“base scale” (e.g., 19-note
> microtonal scale), and any set of pitches as the “row” (i.e., it wouldn’t
have to be “exactly one
> of each note found in the scale”).
> 
> I could programme such a thing myself, I suppose… but I’d rather not
reinvent the wheel, if possible.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kieren.
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> email:  info  kierenmacmillan.info
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Hi Kieren,

Hopefully this will work for you:

http://in.music.sc.edu/fs/bain/software/tta-v2.22d/default.htm

Cheers,
Zoran
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Re: [OT] arbitrary-row matrix generator?

[Zoran Kesic]

Kieren MacMillan  sympatico.ca> writes:

> 
> Hi Zoran,
> 
> > Hopefully this will work for you:
> > http://in.music.sc.edu/fs/bain/software/tta-v2.22d/default.htm
> 
> Thanks for the link… But it’s not clear to me how to enter, for example, a
23-note row drawn from a
> 19-pitch microtonal scale and generate a 23x23 matrix. Are there
instructions somewhere on how I can do that?
> 
> Cheers,
> Kieren.
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> www:  
> email:  info  kierenmacmillan.info
> 


Hi Kieren,

Apologies, I missread your initial post and thought that you wanted less
than 12 notes per row.

Obviously, this is then not a solution.

Cheers,
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Re: [OT] arbitrary-row matrix generator?

[Zoran Kesic]

Kieren MacMillan  sympatico.ca> writes:

> 
> Hi Zoran,
> 
> > Hopefully this will work for you:
> > http://in.music.sc.edu/fs/bain/software/tta-v2.22d/default.htm
> 
> Thanks for the link… But it’s not clear to me how to enter, for example, a
23-note row drawn from a
> 19-pitch microtonal scale and generate a 23x23 matrix. Are there
instructions somewhere on how I can do that?
> 
> Cheers,
> Kieren.
> ___
> 
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> www:  
> email:  info  kierenmacmillan.info
> 

Hi Kieren,

Just came across music21, which can create a large matrix (e.g. 25x25):
http://web.mit.edu/music21/

Cheers,
Zoran 
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Re: [OT] arbitrary-row matrix generator?

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Zoran Kesic  gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Kieren,
> 
> Just came across music21, which can create a large matrix (e.g. 25x25):
> http://web.mit.edu/music21/
> 
> Cheers,
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Sorry, false alarm again. It does take 25 numbers, but creates a 25x25
matrix with the first 12 numbers only.





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Re: Creating LilyPond Object Models

[Zoran Kesic]

Carl Sorensen  byu.edu> writes:


> %%% Start of model
> 
> Contexts are LilyPond objects that contain properties, music expressions,
> and translators.  Some contexts, like Score and Staff, can contain other
> contexts as well.  Other contexts, like Voice, are bottom contexts and
> cannot contain other
> contexts.
> 
> Contexts are responsible ...
> ...
> ...
> ...
>   End of model
> 

Hi Carl,

As a newbie user, I find your example very helpful and, at the same time,
very concise!

Cheers,
Zoran



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Re: How do new users feel about LilyPond's documentation?

[Zoran Kesic]

Abraham Lee  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> All,
> I've been thinking about this a lot lately, even going so far as to create
my own "Quick Start" tutorials for new users, but I can only go so far in my
own head. I really have two questions that I keep wondering about:
> 
> What is the thing you (especially new users) like the least about
LilyPond's documentation structure?
> If you could have the same documentation structure as found in another
notation program, which program is it? Or put another way: Is there a
notation program out there that has a documentation structure you like?
> 
> 
> I'm asking this because I'm trying to determine how we in the 'Pond can
make it easier for new users to jump in with both feet instead of dipping a
toe and getting scared of the deep.
> 
> 
> I may be over-thinking this, but I keep getting the feeling that people
are scared of using LilyPond partially because the documentation, though
deep and detailed, is a little too deep and technical for new users who are
familiar with a GUI program and less familiar with programming.
> 
> Any thoughts? I think I'm mostly interested in comments related to the
*Learning* and *Notation* manuals, but comments about the others are
welcome, too.
> 
> I can't say that I'm proposing any massive changes to the documentation,
but I'd like to know if there's something else that would be more new
user-friendly.
> 
> - Abraham
> 
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I've been using Lilypond for the last year or two, and in general I find the
documentation really good and helpful. I guess, having some programming
experience does help me as well.

My suggestions for improvements would be:  

1. Documentation search - sometimes things are easy to find, sometimes not.
Not sure how could it be improved... (Note: I've just read a post about
using a 'find' on the index page; thank you Paul; will give it go).
2. Some blocks of code and snippets are repeated on different web pages,
which makes the documentation a bit inefficient, imho. Maybe some keywords
management would make things easier (e.g. use of tags). This approach might
also improve the searching aspect.
3. More, more, more templates (specially more complex ones), with good
comments/explanations (as already suggested by the others).

My two cents,
Cheers,
Zoran




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