German bar lines documentation
Hi,
tl;dr
- Zusätzlich kann noch "||:" verwendet werden, dass sich genauso wie
- "|:" verhält
+ Zusätzlich kann noch ".|:-||" verwendet werden, dass sich genauso wie
+ ".|:" verhält
___
the German docs read
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.20/Documentation/notation/bars.de.html
> Zusätzlich kann noch "||:" verwendet werden, dass sich genauso wie "|:"
> verhält
which does not work:
\version "2.20.0"
{
a1 \bar ".|:-||" \break % works as expected
a1 \bar "||:" \break % does not work
a1
}
The bar should be as in the English docs:
> In addition, you can specify ".|:-||", which is equivalent to ".|:"
I guess this is from some ancient version when barline nomenclature was
different.
Well, there is a lot more which is not up to date, examples are
different or missing etc. Does it make sense to get into translating if
I can only contribute from time to time, let's say 2 paragraphs and then
2 months nothing? I could imagine that even small changes add up over
time. If that makes sense, I would read through the contributors manual
(translations) and come back to the dev list in case of questions.
Cheers,
Joram
Re: German bar lines documentation
Noeck wrote > [...] verwendet werden, dass sich genauso wie […] Hi Joram, No problems as to the bar lines, but it definitely has to be "*das*", not "*dass*". I'd also prefer "sich /genau so/ wie […] verhält" over "sich /genauso/ wie […] verhält" in this case. Cheers, Torsten -- Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html
Re: German bar lines documentation
Hi Torsten, well, there are various other issues. That's why I wanted to clarify *how* to address them before I list all I found. > has to be "*das*", not "*dass*". Of course. > I'd also prefer "sich /genau so/ wie […] verhält" over "sich /genauso/ wie > […] verhält" in this case. If this¹ is correct, I'd use "genauso". ¹: https://www.julianetopka.de/zwei-minuten-archiv/juli-2014 Cheers, Joram
Fingering and slurs
Hi,
I am transcribing piano music and I see a lot of ugly situations with
fingering and slurs.
Lilypond seems to draw the slur and then puts the fingering on the
inside if there is space and on the outside if not. From the score, I am
reading, I deduce these rules:
- fingering above the slur at slur tips
- fingering inside the slur otherwise
- fingering is above the staff for c'' and higher notes and
inside the staff for lower notes
Is this a general practice or just happens to be what I see here?
I can regularly switch from avoid-slur between inside and outside and
set staff-padding to ##f and revert it by hand. But can you give me some
hints how to implement the rules above? I.e.
1. change avoid-slur based on slur beginnings and endings and
2. change staff-position based on the pitch of the note?
MWE:
\relative {
\time 3/4
\tempo "default"
b'4.-2( a8-1 cis-2 e-4) |
\tempo "inside"
\override Fingering.avoid-slur = #'inside
b4.-2( a8-1 cis-2 e-4) |
\revert Fingering.avoid-slur
\tempo "what I want"
b4.-2(
\once \override Fingering.staff-padding = ##f
\override Fingering.avoid-slur = #'inside
a8-1
% I know this looks bad, but I that is the best rule I could find
% \override Fingering.staff-padding = ##f % manual override
cis-2
\revert Fingering.avoid-slur
e-4) |
}
Thanks in advance.
Joram
Unwanted warnings/errors on pedals for multiple voices
Hello,
I still experience unwanted warnings (and, consequently, unwanted behavior
on midi) with pedals on PianoStaff with multiple voices.
Consider this example (tested on 2.19.84):
\version "2.19.84"
upper = {
<<
{c'8\sustainOn c' c'}
\\
{r8 r r}
>>
<<
{c'8 c' r}
\\
{r8 r c'\sustainOff}
>>
}
lower = { }
\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" \upper
\new Staff = "lower" \lower
>>
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
The output says "warning: cannot find start of piano pedal: `Sustain'"
The warning disappears if I put \sustainOff on the first voice of the
second expression. And it disappears as well If I don't use a PianoStaff,
but I simply compile this:
{
<<
{c'8\sustainOn c' c'}
\\
{r8 r r}
>>
<<
{c'8 c' r}
\\
{r8 r c'\sustainOff}
>>
}
I don't understand if this is a bug (it seems so). But, anyway, is there a
way to fix the issue in the first example, *without* having to write all
the pedals in the voices that are put at the same level (which I think is
not only pointless, but also uncomfortable)?
Thanks
P
Re: Fingering and slurs
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020, Noeck wrote: I am transcribing piano music and I see a lot of ugly situations with fingering and slurs. +1 following.
Re: Unwanted warnings/errors on pedals for multiple voices
On 05/04/2020 15:11, Paolo Prete wrote:
Hello,
I still experience unwanted warnings (and, consequently, unwanted
behavior on midi) with pedals on PianoStaff with multiple voices.
Consider this example (tested on 2.19.84):
\version "2.19.84"
upper = {
<<
{c'8\sustainOn c' c'}
\\
{r8 r r}
>>
<<
{c'8 c' r}
\\
{r8 r c'\sustainOff}
>>
}
lower = { }
\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "upper" \upper
\new Staff = "lower" \lower
>>
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
You could move the Piano_pedal_performer from Voice to Staff level. Add
or remove the \consists command to hear the difference.
\version "2.20.0"
\midi {
\context { \Voice \remove Piano_pedal_performer }
\context { \Staff \consists Piano_pedal_performer }
}
upper = {
<<
{c'8\sustainOn r r}
\\
{r8 r r}
>>
<<
{r8 r r}
\\
{r8 r c'\sustainOff}
>>
}
lower = { s1 }
\score {
%{ \new PianoStaff %} <<
\new Staff = "upper" \upper
\new Staff = "lower" \lower
>>
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
--
Timothy Lanfear, Bristol, UK.
Re: Unwanted warnings/errors on pedals for multiple voices
On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 6:04 PM Timothy Lanfear wrote:
>
> You could move the Piano_pedal_performer from Voice to Staff level. Add
> or remove the \consists command to hear the difference.
>
> \version "2.20.0"
>
> \midi {
> \context { \Voice \remove Piano_pedal_performer }
> \context { \Staff \consists Piano_pedal_performer }
> }
>
> upper = {
><<
> {c'8\sustainOn r r}
>\\
> {r8 r r}
>>>
>
><<
> {r8 r r}
>\\
> {r8 r c'\sustainOff}
>>>
> }
>
> lower = { s1 }
>
> \score {
>%{ \new PianoStaff %} <<
> \new Staff = "upper" \upper
> \new Staff = "lower" \lower
>>>
>\layout { }
>\midi { }
> }
>
>
>
Thanks, this helps a lot.
Together with this:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2020-01/msg00119.html
it should be added to the *official* documentation. IMHO.
incomplete tuplets in non-standard time signatures
Dear list,
In the following example, I would like to:
1) In the first voice: make the tuplet line to the right of the number into
a dashed straight line.
2) In the second voice: fix the appearance of the last tuplet in the
measure so that the number does not clash with the bracket, and the bracket
is not horizontally flipped. Once this is accomplished, I would like to
apply the same appearance with dotted right lines from step one. I've
attached a .png drawing of roughly how I want it to look.
This thread (
https://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg89110.html) addresses
these types of alterations, but affects the whole bracket; is there any way
to adjust the left and right sides of the bracket independently? If this
has already been addressed elsewhere please let me know so that I may
consult the relevant documentation/snippet/archive.
Thank you for your time,
-Kyle
\version "2.18.2"
\header {
subsubtitle = "incomplete tuplets in non-standard time sigs"
}
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\set subdivideBeams = ##t
\set strictBeatBeaming = ##t
\override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
\time 8/24
\times 2/3 {
bes'16[
\set stemLeftBeamCount =2
\set stemRightBeamCount =2
d''16
b'16]
}
\times 2/3 {
cis''8[
f''16]
}
\times 2/3 {
d''16[
e''16]
}
}
\new Staff {
\clef bass
\key c \major
\set subdivideBeams = ##t
\set strictBeatBeaming = ##t
\override TupletBracket.bracket-visibility = ##t
\time 8/24
a8~
\times 2/3 {
a8[
g16~]
}
\times 2/3 {
g8
}
}
>>
}
Edition engraver and upbeat
Hi, how can I address timesteps in an upbeat (partial) with the edition engraver? Am I correct that this is still not possible? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-04/msg00574.html Best, Joram
Re: Alignment issues of Time signature above the staff
Hi,
Thank you for your responses.
I managed to solve the bar number problem by removing the "Bar_number_engraver"
from the staff context and \consists "Bar_number_engraver" in the staff under
the time signature.
For the time signature’s alignment, I found a simpler solution by using
\override TimeSignature.break-align-symbol = #'staff-bar with \override
MultiMeasureRest.spacing-pair = #'(clef . staff-bar). However, It still causes
break-alignment issues from here to there.
Example:
\version "2.19.0"
timeSignatures = { \numericTimeSignature \tempo 4 = 80 \time 4/4 s1 \time 3/8
s4.
\time 3/4 s2. \time 4/4 s1 }
\score {
\layout {
\context {
\type "Engraver_group"
\consists "Time_signature_engraver"
\consists "Axis_group_engraver"
\name "TimeSig"
\alias "Staff"
\override TimeSignature.font-size = #8
\override TimeSignature.break-align-symbol = #'staff-bar
\override TimeSignature.X-offset =
#ly:self-alignment-interface::x-aligned-on-self
\override TimeSignature.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
%\override TimeSignature.X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
}
\context {
\Score
\accepts TimeSig
\remove "Bar_number_engraver"
}
\context {
\Staff
\override MultiMeasureRest.spacing-pair = #'(clef . staff-bar)
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
}
\context {
\Score
}
}
<<
\new TimeSig \with {
}
{
\timeSignatures
}
\new StaffGroup \with {} <<
\new Staff \with {
\consists "Bar_number_engraver"
}
\relative c' {
\textLengthOn
c4 ( _\markup \column {
"← Objects failed to appear"
"below the time signature"
"when using \\textLengthOn"
}
\textLengthOff
d4 e4 f4 )
a''4 ( g8 ) R2. c1 }
\new Staff \relative c' {
R1
R4.
\clef bass
a2. \> \break
c2 _\markup \column {
" "
"↑"
"Hairpin stops below the time signature"
} c2\! }
\new Staff \relative c' { R1 R4. R2. c1 }
>>
>>
}
On 3/29/2020 2:10 AM, Chen Leo wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for your reply.
For the first problem, you will have to set break-align-symbol to ##f to
reproduce the problem. That is because by default break-align-symbol is set to
#'time-signature. so commenting out the override shouldn't help.
Secondly, using \override TimeSignature.X-extent = #'(0 . 0) causes collisions
when texts and notes are displayed above the staff because lilypond is not
adding vertical spacing above the staff. And it seems like now all the time
signatures are shifted a bit to the right instead of aligning right after the
bar line.
Thirdly, the bar numbers are raised to align vertically with the
time-signatures, which is not something I would like to have. It will be nice
if you can share any ideas on how that can be solved.
Leo
Here's an example:
\version "2.20.0"
\layout {
\context {
\type "Engraver_group"
\consists "Time_signature_engraver"
\consists "Axis_group_engraver"
\name "TimeSig"
\alias "Staff"
% original settings from
"http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=272";
%{
\override TimeSignature.font-size = #3
\override TimeSignature.break-align-symbol = ##f
\override TimeSignature.X-offset =
#ly:self-alignment-interface::x-aligned-on-self
\override TimeSignature.self-alignment-X = #CENTER
\override TimeSignature.after-line-breaking =
#shift-right-at-line-begin
%}
% settings after adjustments
{
\override TimeSignature.font-size = #4
\override TimeSignature.X-offset =
#ly:self-alignment-interface::x-aligned-on-self
\override TimeSignature.self-alignment-X = #LEFT
\override TimeSignature.X-extent = #'(0 . 0)
}
}
\context {
\Score
\accepts TimeSig
}
\context {
\Staff
\remove "Time_signature_engraver"
}
}
timeSignatures = { \numericTimeSignature \time 4/4 s1 \time 3/8 s4. \time 3/4
s2. \break \time 4/4 s1 }
\score {
<<
\new TimeSig \timeSignatures
\new Staff \relative c' { c4 ^\markup \column {"a" "b" "c"} ( d4 e4 f4 )
a''4
^\markup \column {"a" "b" "c"} ( g8 ) R2. c1 }
\new Staff \relative c' { R1 R4. \clef bass a2. c1 }
\new Staff \relative c' { R1 R4. R2. c1 }
>>
}
Hi Chen,
I was able to solve the second of your problems (the whole bar rests
being shifted by the time signatures in the TimeSig context) by
adding:
\override TimeSignature.X-extent = ##f
(You could also use the value #'(0 . 0) if the warnings are off
putting, but I noticed that that doesn't *quite* fix it fully.)
I tried to reproduce your description of the first problem (time
signatures aligning over cue clefs), but even commenting out the
break-align-symbol override didn't make it appear. I was able to
correct the alignment of the first time signature by removing the
line:
\override Tim
