Markup problem

[Jacques Menu]

Hello folks,

In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one only 
gets:


Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve missed 
something it seems...

Thanks for your help!

JM

--

%%
\version "2.19.83"

\markup {
  \fill-line {
\hspace #5
\column {
  \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho,}
  \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, An' the wall came tumblin' down. 
(Repeat)}
  \line {You can talk about your king of Gideon, You can talk about your 
men of Saul,}
  \line {But there's none like good old Joshua, At the battle of Jericho! 
(Repeat 1st 2 lines)}
}
  }
}

\book {
  \score {
<<
  { c }
>>
  }
}
%%

Re: Markup problem

[Jean Bréfort]

Le mercredi 04 décembre 2019 à 10:19 +0100, Jacques Menu a écrit :
> Hello folks,
> 
> In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score,
> one only gets:
> 
> 
> Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though.
> I’ve missed something it seems...
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> JM
> 
> --
> 
> %%
> \version "2.19.83"
> 
> \markup {
>   \fill-line {
> \hspace #5
> \column {
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho,}
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, An' the wall came
> tumblin' down. (Repeat)}
>   \line {You can talk about your king of Gideon, You can talk
> about your men of Saul,}
>   \line {But there's none like good old Joshua, At the battle of
> Jericho! (Repeat 1st 2 lines)}
> }
>   }
> }
> 
> \book {
>   \score {
> <<
>   { c }
> >>
>   }
> }
> %%
> 
> 

Hello,

You just need to move the \markup inside the \book block.

Hope this helps,
Jean

Re: Markup problem

[Simon Albrecht]

Hi Jacques,

you should be getting two output files, since the toplevel markup is 
outside the explicit book with the score. On my machine, that’s what’s 
happening.


HTH, Simon

On 04.12.19 10:19, Jacques Menu wrote:

Hello folks,

In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one 
only gets:


Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve 
missed something it seems...


Thanks for your help!

JM

--

%%
\version "2.19.83"

\markup {
  \fill-line {
    \hspace #5
    \column {
      \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho,}
      \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, An' the wall came 
tumblin' down. (Repeat)}
      \line {You can talk about your king of Gideon, You can talk 
about your men of Saul,}
      \line {But there's none like good old Joshua, At the battle of 
Jericho! (Repeat 1st 2 lines)}

    }
  }
}

\book {
  \score {
    <<
      { c }
    >>
  }
}
%%

Re: Writing notes in Pythagorean tuning in microlily

[Hans Åberg]

As Adam noticed, the file regular.ly is not part of the current distribution, 
and it is used to retune to E53. So E72 is an alternative in absence of that, 
but might also be suitable when playing with E12 instruments.

Also, the Helmholtz—Ellis accidentals were proposed to be added to the 
distribution [1], and then SMuFL, OpenLilyLib, and the Bravura font would not 
be needed for that, but for some reason it has not happened, and there seems to 
be no further information about that.

1. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2018-10/msg00097.html


> On 4 Dec 2019, at 01:48, kupirijo  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Adam for your message.
> 
> I am still confused by the usage of 72-TET (see excerpt below)
> 
> %{
> Define makam alterations 72 ET
> %}
> 
> #(define-public KOMA 1/12) % KOMA 1/9
> #(define-public CEYREK 3/12) % CEYREK quarter 1/4
> #(define-public EKSIK-BAKIYE 4/12) % EKSIK-BAKIYE 3/9
> #(define-public BAKIYE 5/12) % BAKIYE 4/9
> #(define-public KUCUK 6/12) % KUCUK 5/9
> #(define-public BUYUKMUCENNEB 10/12) % BUYUKMUCENNEB 8/9
> #(define-public TANINI 11/12) % 10/9
> 
> The AEU notation is based on 53 TET, so KOMA should be 1/53, EKSIK-BAKIYE 
> 4/53 etc
> 
> Also the natural notes C D E F G A B are different in 53-TET than in N-TET 
> that are multiple of 12 TET systems like 12-TET, 24-TET or 72-TET
> 
> So with respect to C as tonic, D is not 200 cents, E is not 400 cents etc.
> 
> kupirijo
> 
> Στις 3/12/19 10:02 pm, ο Adam Good έγραψε:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Here's Adam Good. My apologies for arriving late to the party I wasn't aware 
>> of this thread! From what I can see this looks to be the most updated 
>> version of turkish-makam.ly in the dev channel.
>> 
>> https://github.com/lilypond/lilypond/blob/master/ly/turkish-makam.ly 
>> 
>> This has been the most practical solution from my view, until we can get 
>> regular.ly involved. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Adam 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 5:02 PM Hans Åberg  wrote:
>> 
>> > On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:40, David Kastrup  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hans Åberg  writes:
>> > 
>> >>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 22:20, David Kastrup  wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Hans Åberg  writes:
>> >>> 
>> > On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:39, kupirijo  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > So the turkish-makam.ly that I downloaded earlier requires a file
>> > called definitions.ily . Is this provided somewhere?
>>  
>>  It is from OpenLilyLib. And the Bravura font is from SMuFL
>>  ; it must be installed so that lilypond sees
>>  it. I’ll send them to you together with Helmholtz-Ellis in E53.
>>  
>> > Also where can I download the latest version of turkish-makam.ly?
>>  
>>  It looked like it was in the LilyPond source archive, otherwise from 
>>  Adam.
>> >>> 
>> >>> And requires OpenLilyLib to run?
>> >> 
>> >> Just the file definitions.ily. I’ll send you a sample, so you can try.
>> > 
>> > No, I am not really interested.  But we shouldn't distribute stuff as
>> > part of LilyPond that requires OpenLilylib to run.
>> 
>> The development version, that is, not the one submitted. The components are 
>> slowly moving becoming a part of LilyPond.
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: Markup problem

[Malte Meyn]

Am 04.12.19 um 10:19 schrieb Jacques Menu:

Hello folks,

In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one 
only gets:


Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve 
missed something it seems...


Shouldn’t the \markup live inside the \book too?

Poster for music engraving conference

[Werner LEMBERG]

Folks,


the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
main part of the conference.

Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.

Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
conferences?


Werner

Re: Markup problem

[Thomas Morley]

Am Mi., 4. Dez. 2019 um 11:03 Uhr schrieb Jacques Menu <
imj-muz...@bluewin.ch>:

> Hello folks,
>
> In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one
> only gets:
>
> Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve
> missed something it seems...
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> JM
>
> --
>
> %%
> \version "2.19.83"
>
> \markup {
>   \fill-line {
> \hspace #5
> \column {
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho,}
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, An' the wall came tumblin'
> down. (Repeat)}
>   \line {You can talk about your king of Gideon, You can talk about
> your men of Saul,}
>   \line {But there's none like good old Joshua, At the battle of
> Jericho! (Repeat 1st 2 lines)}
> }
>   }
> }
>
> \book {
>   \score {
> <<
>   { c }
> >>
>   }
> }
> %%
>

Hi Jacques,

your code creates _two_ books and thus two pdf.
One with the content of the eplicitely stated \book { .. }
And another one with all the remaining toplevel stuff.

As you are surprised by that, I think it's not what you want ;)
Probably put the markup into the book:

\book {
\markup "whatever"
\score { c4 }
}

HTH,
  Harm

Re: Markup problem

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Simon, Jean and Thomas,

Thanks, that was the solution. I had tried to place the markup inside the 
score, to no avail.

A nice day!

JM

> Le 4 déc. 2019 à 12:11, Thomas Morley  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Am Mi., 4. Dez. 2019 um 11:03 Uhr schrieb Jacques Menu  >:
> Hello folks,
> 
> In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one only 
> gets:
> 
> 
> Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve missed 
> something it seems...
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> JM
> 
> --
> 
> %%
> \version "2.19.83"
> 
> \markup {
>   \fill-line {
> \hspace #5
> \column {
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, Jericho, Jericho,}
>   \line {Joshua fit the battle of Jericho, An' the wall came tumblin' 
> down. (Repeat)}
>   \line {You can talk about your king of Gideon, You can talk about your 
> men of Saul,}
>   \line {But there's none like good old Joshua, At the battle of Jericho! 
> (Repeat 1st 2 lines)}
> }
>   }
> }
> 
> \book {
>   \score {
> <<
>   { c }
> >>
>   }
> }
> %%
> 
> Hi Jacques,
> 
> your code creates _two_ books and thus two pdf.
> One with the content of the eplicitely stated \book { .. }
> And another one with all the remaining toplevel stuff.
> 
> As you are surprised by that, I think it's not what you want ;)
> Probably put the markup into the book:
> 
> \book {
> \markup "whatever"
> \score { c4 }
> }
> 
> HTH,
>   Harm

Not understanding outside-staff-priority

[Michael Gerdau]

Hi list,

I'm trying to place a RehearsalMark under a MetronomeMark and from the Notation 
Manual derived I should set the outside-staff-priority property for that.

Playing with it resulted in the six examples below. Only the 5. shows the 
RehearsalMark where I want it to be. Why don't the other and specificallywhy 
doesn't the last example where I simplified the Text of the MetronomeMark.

Could someone please shed some light as to why lilypond behaves the way it does?

I'm currently testing this under Windows 10 using lilypond 2.19.83
Will later give this a try on Linux.

FYC I've also attached a PDF and ly file.

snip--snip--snip--snip--snip
\version "2.19.83"

{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" 
#1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" 
#1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-column { "(ruhig)" }
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" 
#1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \right-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" 
#1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \left-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" 
#1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}

{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo "some MetronomeMark"
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { 
\fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}
snip--snip--snip--snip--snip

Kind regards,
Michael
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GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver

outside-staff-priority-weirdness.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
\version "2.19.83"

{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-column { "(ruhig)" }
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \right-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \left-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize #-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}

{
  \override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
  \tempo "some MetronomeMark"
  R1 |
  \override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 \musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
  r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}

Re: Not understanding outside-staff-priority

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Michael,

> I'm trying to place a RehearsalMark under a MetronomeMark and from the 
> Notation Manual derived I should set the outside-staff-priority property for 
> that.
> Playing with it resulted in the six examples below. Only the 5. shows the 
> RehearsalMark where I want it to be.

Curiously, when you write the code like this

%%%
\version "2.19.83"

seg = \tweak outside-staff-priority #-100 \mark \markup { \fontsize #-2 
\musicglyph "scripts.segno" }
tem = \tweak outside-staff-priority #100  \tempo \markup \concat { { \fontsize 
#-1 \general-align #Y #DOWN \note #"2" #1 } " nicht zu langsam" }

{
\tem
R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup "(ruhig)"
}
{
\tem
R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup \center-column { "(ruhig)" }
}
{
\tem
R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup \right-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
\tem
R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup \left-align "(ruhig)"
}
{
\tem
R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}

{
 \tweak outside-staff-priority #100 \tempo "some MetronomeMark"
 R1 |
 \seg
 r2 a'2^\markup \center-align "(ruhig)"
}
%%%

you get the expected result in all cases (at least on Mac).

Cheers,
Kieren.

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2019-12-04 um 12:05 schrieb Werner LEMBERG :
> 
> Folks,
> 
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
> 
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> 
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?

Sorry, can’t help, but there is this nice (but outdated) cheat sheet by 
Reinhold Kainhofer:
http://edition-kainhofer.com/de/lilypond/511/lilypond-cheatsheet-detail.html

I think it would be suitable as a (secondary) poster, if he (or someone else) 
would update it.

I found also the visual index (2017) and the German cheatsheet (2014) by Joram 
Berger (i.e. also outdated), but no download links for them.

Kainhofer’s looks better, Berger’s contain more. None is a presentational 
poster.

Best, Hraban

Re: Not understanding outside-staff-priority

[Robin Bannister]

 Michael Gerdau wrote:



Could someone please shed some light as to why lilypond behaves the way it does?



The default context for both Mark_engraver and Metronome_mark_engraver 
is Score.  Your overrides are ineffective because you omit 'Score.'



Cheers,
Robin

Piano Staves equidistant from Middle C?

[Kale Good]

Hello,

I'm trying to get my piano staves equidistant from middle C, with 
precisely the width of one staff-space between middle C and the top line 
of the bass clef and the bottom line of the treble.


I can't find anything on the spacing page that seems to work, and 
nothing seems to be forthcoming in the snippets library.


The purpose is pedagogical (so students can see that middle c really is 
in the middle).


Thanks,
Kale

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Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[karl]

Werner:
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
> 
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> 
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?

I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.

Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster 
would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Not understanding outside-staff-priority

[Michael Gerdau]

> > Could someone please shed some light as to why lilypond behaves the way it 
> > does?
> > 
> 
> The default context for both Mark_engraver and Metronome_mark_engraver 
> is Score.  Your overrides are ineffective because you omit 'Score.'

Aaahh. Thank you Robin for this explanation.

Kind regards,
Michael
-- 
Michael Gerdau email: m...@qata.de
GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver

Re: Not understanding outside-staff-priority

[Michael Gerdau]

> > I'm trying to place a RehearsalMark under a MetronomeMark and from the 
> > Notation Manual derived I should set the outside-staff-priority property 
> > for that.
> > Playing with it resulted in the six examples below. Only the 5. shows the 
> > RehearsalMark where I want it to be.
> 
> Curiously, when you write the code like this
[using \tweak to apply outside-staff-priority snipped]

Thank you Kieren for that workaround.

Kind regards,
Michael
-- 
Michael Gerdau email: m...@qata.de
GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver

Re: Piano Staves equidistant from Middle C?

[Malte Meyn]

Am 04.12.19 um 14:46 schrieb Kale Good:

Hello,

I'm trying to get my piano staves equidistant from middle C, with 
precisely the width of one staff-space between middle C and the top line 
of the bass clef and the bottom line of the treble.


I’m not sure why setting values for 
PianoStaff.StaffGrouper.staff-staff-spacing doesn’t work here after 
looking at https://joramberger.de/files/LilypondSpacing.pdf but setting 
the spacing below the top staff works:


\version "2.19.83"

\new PianoStaff <<
  \new Staff \with {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-staff-spacing.minimum-distance = 6
  } \relative { g'1 f e d c d e f g }
  \new Staff \relative { \clef bass f g a b s b a g f }
>>

Re: Markup problem

[Jacques Menu]

Thanks Leo and Malte, same solution already provided on the list.

JM

> Le 4 déc. 2019 à 12:38, Malte Meyn  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Am 04.12.19 um 10:19 schrieb Jacques Menu:
>> Hello folks,
>> In the following example, the markup doesn’t show up in the score, one only 
>> gets:
>> Removing the \book around the \score avoids this problem, though. I’ve 
>> missed something it seems...
> 
> Shouldn’t the \markup live inside the \book too?
> 

RE: Ddoubled parentheses

[Mogens Lemvig Hansen]

Thanks Aaron.

Looking at 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/visibility-of-objects#index-_005comit
I would have expected the syntax to be 
   \new NullVoice \with { \omit Score.ParenthesesItem } { \music }
and I would have expected that to eliminate the parentheses in _all_ voices – 
but only the NullVoice is affected.  This is of course wonderful for my case, 
but I don’t understand why it works that way.

I need to become less scared of the Internals Reference.

Regards,
Mogens

From: Aaron Hill
Sent: December 2, 2019 21:41
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ddoubled parentheses

On 2019-12-02 9:04 pm, Mogens Lemvig Hansen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The NullVoice in the example below generates its own set of
> parentheses so that I get two pairs – see attached.
> Same problem with \new NullVoice \with { \remove
> "Parenthesis_engraver" }{ \music }
> Same problem in \version "2.19.82"
> 
> 
> \version "2.18.2"
> 
> music = \relative {
>   c' e \parenthesize g c
> }
> 
> \score {
>   \new Staff <<
> \new Voice { \music }
> \new NullVoice { \music }
>   >>
> }
> 
> 
> Suggestions for removing the extra pair – other than by removing the
> NullVoice altogether?

The default location for the Parenthesis_engraver is the Score context, 
that is why removing it from the NullVoice has no effect.

The simplest option I see is this:


\version "2.18.2"

music = \relative {
   c' e \parenthesize g c
}

\score {
   \new Staff <<
 \new Voice { \music }
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-- Aaron Hill

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[David Menéndez Hurtado]

Hi,

I have some experience making posters for conferences, so I will share in
case anyone is up for stepping up.

For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you
want the reader to take home. What drew me to Lilypond was the essay, so
that is what I would turn into a poster:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page.html
It is visual, straightforward, and a good case for Lilypond.

Once you have grabbed someone's attention, you may include one or two side
stories. This must be short and sweet, but feel free to go into technical
details. For example, the ability to engrave Gregorian chant, the
possibility of arbitrarily expand it with Scheme code, or that you can
write the notes in any language (yay! I don't have to spend time thinking
what note D is!).

The poster shouldn't necessarily stand on its own if someone is willing to
be there during the poster session to explain and expand. You definitely
don't want to put a cheat sheet or a manual because no one is going to
learn Lilypond at the poster session, the goal is to make it memorable so
they go home and learn it. Snippets are fine, but completeness is not
required nor desirable. A personal workflow can be useful on the side, for
someone already familiar with Lilypond or convinced of its coolness.


Re-reading my email I realised I may sound a bit too harsh, so please do
not take it badly, it wasn't meant like that. I have been to plenty of
conferences with professional scientists, that are supposed to do this for
a living, with terrible terrible posters. The result is that people just
gloss over, and only the two people that were already interested (and
likely knew the project) ever talk about it. Also, in an engineering
students recruiting fair, I saw plenty of posters that seemed aimed at
investors, so recruiters seem to be bad at this too. There are very few
good examples to learn from in the wild.

I hope this helps.

/David.


On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:10,  wrote:

> Werner:
> > the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> > present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> > companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> > even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> > main part of the conference.
> >
> > Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> > LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> >
> > Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> > poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> > conferences?
>
> I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
> I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.
>
> Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster
> would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>
>
>
>

Re: Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Simon Albrecht]

Hi David,

No need to apologize! It's great that you can and want to share that valuable 
expertise.
I would add that even Gregorian chant is probably too niche, and that Lily’s 
handling of ligatures and other aspects isn't quite on a level that one would 
want to showcase it…
I could provide good examples of typesets of 16th century music, where Lily 
excels with the possibility to enter source code in great fidelity to the 
original and get various styles of modern edition with a few keystrokes – 
unless that is considered too niche as well.
Else I'd nominate Kieren Macmillan, who has some of the best engravings done 
with Lily and can make a great case for Lily as the best tool for the job ;-)

Best, Simon

> On 04.12.2019 - 19:45, David Menéndez Hurtado wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I have some experience making posters for conferences, so I will share in 
> case anyone is up for stepping up.
> 
> 
> For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you 
> want the reader to take home. What drew me to Lilypond was the essay, so that 
> is what I would turn into a poster: 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page.html
> 
> It is visual, straightforward, and a good case for Lilypond.
> 
> 
> Once you have grabbed someone's attention, you may include one or two side 
> stories. This must be short and sweet, but feel free to go into technical 
> details. For example, the ability to engrave Gregorian chant, the possibility 
> of arbitrarily expand it with Scheme code, or that you can write the notes in 
> any language (yay! I don't have to spend time thinking what note D is!).
> 
> 
> The poster shouldn't necessarily stand on its own if someone is willing to be 
> there during the poster session to explain and expand. You definitely don't 
> want to put a cheat sheet or a manual because no one is going to learn 
> Lilypond at the poster session, the goal is to make it memorable so they go 
> home and learn it. Snippets are fine, but completeness is not required nor 
> desirable. A personal workflow can be useful on the side, for someone already 
> familiar with Lilypond or convinced of its coolness.
> 
> 
> 
> Re-reading my email I realised I may sound a bit too harsh, so please do not 
> take it badly, it wasn't meant like that. I have been to plenty of 
> conferences with professional scientists, that are supposed to do this for a 
> living, with terrible terrible posters. The result is that people just gloss 
> over, and only the two people that were already interested (and likely knew 
> the project) ever talk about it. Also, in an engineering students recruiting 
> fair, I saw plenty of posters that seemed aimed at investors, so recruiters 
> seem to be bad at this too. There are very few good examples to learn from in 
> the wild.
> 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> 
> /David.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:10,  wrote:
> 
> Werner:
> > the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> > present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> > companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> > even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> > main part of the conference.
> > 
> > Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> > LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> > 
> > Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> > poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> > conferences?
> 
> I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
> I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.
> 
> Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster 
> would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?
> 
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Karlin High]

On 12/4/2019 2:40 PM, Simon Albrecht wrote:

some of the best engravings done with Lily


How about having various made-with-Lilypond printed works on display as 
well as the poster?

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[karl]

David:
...
> For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you
> want the reader to take home.
...

So, should the main point be 

. quality in detail

. excellent print quality

. one source, multiple output variations
  like Simon Albrecht pointed to, and which I was thinking about

. flexibility, whatever you need, it can be done

or anything else

The hosts are
 Abteilung für Komposition und Musiktheorie der Universität Mozarteum
 Gesellschaft für Musiktheorie
so maybe something that wets their tastes.

Various printed works examples are fine, but they should be aye 
catching. Unfortunable that amounts mostly to the cover, not to the 
content...

My experience with various choir directors etc. is that if your 
beutiful scores have some flaw (e.g. a wrong note whatever) they prefer 
thoose crappy copies of some crappy copy.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi All,

I have seen lots of A0 posters for medical and scientific research
congresses. Here's an article that summarizes exactly what I think
about conference posters.

https://colinpurrington.com/tips/poster-design/

Andrew