Re: barNumberCheck breaks multi-measure rests?

2017-07-13 Thread Andrew Bromage 

On 13/7/17 4:57 pm, Robert Schmaus wrote:

It's not the bar number check that breaks the MM rest, it's the separation of 
s1. * 17 into pieces of 9 and 8 measures that does.

Okay, that makes sense, if a bit unexpected.

Why don't you insert the check at bar 18 and keep use s1. * 17 - that should be 
ok also.

Obviously this is a cut-down example. The context is that the engraving
that this is cribbed from splits the timeline into phrases I can work out
where to put rehearsal marks.

The solution is to keep it the way it is until that job is done, and fix it
at the end.

Andrew Bromage

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Re: barNumberCheck breaks multi-measure rests?

2017-07-13 Thread Kieren MacMillan 
Hi Andrew,

>> It's not the bar number check that breaks the MM rest, it's the separation 
>> of s1. * 17 into pieces of 9 and 8 measures that does.
> Okay, that makes sense, if a bit unexpected.

There are several threads in the archive where some people try to explain why 
it’s expected (or at least unsolvable).

> The solution is to keep it the way it is until that job is done, and fix it 
> at the end.

Or try \mergeSkips?


Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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Is the lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap snippet obsolete?

2017-07-13 Thread Urs Liska 
There is the snippet notation-snippets/lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap
which doesn't work with 2.19.60 (2.18 works).

Is this something that has been integrated into LilyPond by now? I seem
to recall that words in lyrics are joined now if there's no space for
hyphens.

Snippet:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap

There's a reference to
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html in
the snippet, David Nalesnik and Mike Solomon are listed as the authors.

Any comments?

Thanks
Urs

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Fwd: Re: Is the lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap snippet obsolete?

2017-07-13 Thread David Nalesnik 
Forwarding to the list...

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From: "David Nalesnik" 
Date: Jul 13, 2017 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Is the lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap snippet obsolete?
To: "Urs Liska" 
Cc:



On Jul 13, 2017 2:53 PM, "Urs Liska"  wrote:

There is the snippet notation-snippets/lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap
which doesn't work with 2.19.60 (2.18 works).


I believe it can be fixed by changing a predicate (sorry i can't view the
source now to say which one) to ly:grob-property?  This would make it fail
with 2.18, so a version predicate would be needed.


Is this something that has been integrated into LilyPond by now? I seem
to recall that words in lyrics are joined now if there's no space for
hyphensl


This would be news to me.


Snippet:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/lyric-
syllable-magnetic-snap

There's a reference to
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html in
the snippet, David Nalesnik and Mike Solomon are listed as the authors.

Any comments?

Thanks
Urs

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Re: Place text next to rehearsal mark, or with left edge over barline if there is none

2017-07-13 Thread David Wright 
On Tue 11 Jul 2017 at 09:08:07 (-0400), Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> Hi Wol,
> 
> > I've seen music - not much admittedly - that actually writes crotchets
> > as tied to a semi-quaver or something on the next beat in order to say
> > "this one-beat note is one beat, not a fraction of a beat!"
> 
> The only composers I know of who did that as a rule are late 19th Century and 
> early 20th Century British composers (my experience in that area being mostly 
> choral). I must admit, it's quite confusing when you first encounter that 
> notation!

This was discussed in the thread
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-11/msg00752.html

There's an equivalent notation in barbershop where people write
lyric extenders on notes that don't require them, which is a
pain to reproduce in LP.

<<
  { \set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
a'1 a'16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 }
  \addlyrics { x __ y z x y z … }
>>

BTW I was tidying up some download directories and came across
the attached. It or the link might have been posted by one of you,
but it shows the kind of compromises made when printing band
music with no page turns. Navigating during rehearsals must be
interesting.

Cheers,
David.

[Reposted: I forgot to degrade the attachment, so I expect
it was rejected as oversize.]
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Re: Is the lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap snippet obsolete?

2017-07-13 Thread Kieren MacMillan 
Hi Urs,

> Is this something that has been integrated into LilyPond by now?
> I seem to recall that words in lyrics are joined now if there's
> no space for hyphens.

I don't think that actually works yet?
(It's one of my big wish-list items, so it would be wonderful news if it did!)

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Fwd: Re: Is the lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap snippet obsolete?

2017-07-13 Thread Urs Liska 
Also forwarding to the list.

However, despite my hope at the end of the below message I did *not*
find the culprit why it doesn't work with current LilyPond anymore. It
would be cool if you (David) could have a look at the code and help me
get this to work again.

Best
Urs



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Hi David,

thanks for the reply.


Am 13.07.2017 um 22:06 schrieb David Nalesnik:
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2017 2:53 PM, "Urs Liska"  > wrote:
>
> There is the snippet notation-snippets/lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap
> which doesn't work with 2.19.60 (2.18 works).
>
>
> I believe it can be fixed by changing a predicate (sorry i can't view
> the source now to say which one) to ly:grob-property?  This would make
> it fail with 2.18, so a version predicate would be needed.
>

OK, maybe I'll find it myself then.
I'm right now working on a new openLilyLib package. This means I won't
keep 2.18 support. We decided to drop that with the oll-core based
infrastructure, just because there are so fundamental improvements
around 2.19.22 (mostly these, but of course all the other general
improvements as well) that we just won't keep it working on the
different versions.
So in *this* case I can ignore that.

>
> Is this something that has been integrated into LilyPond by now? I
> seem
> to recall that words in lyrics are joined now if there's no space for
> hyphensl
>
>
> This would be news to me.

Oh, what I pity. I thought this would work by now.
Obviously I mistook it for the feature that the hyphen is automatically
removed (see attachment).

Do you recall any reason why you didn't add this to LilyPond then?

Best
Urs

>
>
> Snippet:
> 
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/lyric-syllable-magnetic-snap
> 
> 
>
> There's a reference to
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-03/msg00489.html
> 
> in
> the snippet, David Nalesnik and Mike Solomon are listed as the
> authors.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks
> Urs
>
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Re: Place text next to rehearsal mark, or with left edge over barline if there is none

2017-07-13 Thread Wols Lists 
On 13/07/17 20:55, David Wright wrote:
> On Tue 11 Jul 2017 at 09:08:07 (-0400), Kieren MacMillan wrote:
>> Hi Wol,
>>
>>> I've seen music - not much admittedly - that actually writes crotchets
>>> as tied to a semi-quaver or something on the next beat in order to say
>>> "this one-beat note is one beat, not a fraction of a beat!"
>>
>> The only composers I know of who did that as a rule are late 19th Century 
>> and early 20th Century British composers (my experience in that area being 
>> mostly choral). I must admit, it's quite confusing when you first encounter 
>> that notation!
> 
> This was discussed in the thread
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-11/msg00752.html
> 
> There's an equivalent notation in barbershop where people write
> lyric extenders on notes that don't require them, which is a
> pain to reproduce in LP.
> 
> <<
>   { \set Score.proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
> a'1 a'16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 }
>   \addlyrics { x __ y z x y z … }
>>>
> 
> BTW I was tidying up some download directories and came across
> the attached. It or the link might have been posted by one of you,
> but it shows the kind of compromises made when printing band
> music with no page turns. Navigating during rehearsals must be
> interesting.
> 
Actually, because the pieces are quite short, it's not a problem. This
one is slightly atypical, it's got a short repeated first section, and
then a long unrepeated trio.

I think they tend to be intro, repeated first section, repeated second
section, trio may or may not be repeated in one or two sections, da capo
straight through no repeats.

So playing time can be quite long, typically 3 to 5 minutes, but the
piece doesn't have that many, or long, sections and the conductor just
says "first repeated section", "trio", or whatever.

Cheers,
Wol


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Repeat starting in partial measure

2017-07-13 Thread Richard Chonak 

Dear fellow users,

Can someone advise me on how a repeat-sign behaves in the middle of a 
measure?


Reducing my score to a small example, here are two lines:

 cis8\mark | cis'4 b8 a4 b8 | gis4 e8 fis4 \bar "" \break
 \repeat volta 2 { gis8 | cis4. fis,4. | fis8 e b cis4 } \break

I'd like the first system to break within a measure, and end with no 
barline.


The volta in the second system starts with a partial measure, and of 
course I'd like a repeat-sign there, but it's not appearing.


(I'll try to insert an image here to illustrate the output: hope it 
comes through.)





If I add the repeat sign expressly, it does appear in the output:

 cis8\mark | cis'4 b8 a4 b8 | gis4 e8 fis4 \bar "" \break
 \bar ".|:"
 \repeat volta 2 { gis8 | cis4. fis,4. | fis8 e b cis4 }

but an unwanted barline is added to the end of line 1.

Do I need to add some Scheme code to modify the behavior of the 
repeat-sign?


Thanks for any advice you can offer!

Richard



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Re: Repeat starting in partial measure

2017-07-13 Thread Thomas Morley 
Hi,

2017-07-14 1:50 GMT+02:00 Richard Chonak :
>
> Dear fellow users,
>
> Can someone advise me on how a repeat-sign behaves in the middle of a measure?
>
> Reducing my score to a small example, here are two lines:
>
>  cis8\mark | cis'4 b8 a4 b8 | gis4 e8 fis4 \bar "" \break
>  \repeat volta 2 { gis8 | cis4. fis,4. | fis8 e b cis4 }  \break

Well, this is not compilable!

>
> I'd like the first system to break within a measure, and end with no barline.
>
> The volta in the second system starts with a partial measure, and of course 
> I'd like a repeat-sign there, but it's not appearing.

Actually you coded two different bar-lines at the same time.
The one done by \repeat and \bar "". Both have different settings how
to behave at line-break.
Only one can survive. Winning is \bar ""

>
> If I add the repeat sign expressly, it does appear in the output:
>
>  cis8\mark | cis'4 b8 a4 b8 | gis4 e8 fis4 \bar "" \break
>  \bar ".|:"
>  \repeat volta 2 { gis8 | cis4. fis,4. | fis8 e b cis4 }
>
> but an unwanted barline is added to the end of line 1.

Here you coded _three bar-lines_: \repeat ..., \bar "" and \bar ".|:"
at the same time.
Only one can survive. Winning is \bar ".|:"

You need to insert a bar-line-type which sets "" at line end and the
usual repeat-start at line-begin, i.e. ".|:"
Such a bar-line-type does not exist yet.

But search the NR for:
(1)
".|:-||" to see a barline-type which sets "||" at line-end (defined in
bar-line.scm) and ".|:" at line-start. (Not far away from what you
want...)
(2)
\defineBarline for the method how to define custom-bar.lines

Now, use this to define your own bar-line, take the definition in
bar-line.scm as an example.

Ask back if you need further assistance.

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: Repeat starting in partial measure

2017-07-13 Thread Richard Chonak 



On 07/13/2017 08:35 PM, Thomas Morley wrote:


You need to insert a bar-line-type which sets "" at line end and the
usual repeat-start at line-begin, i.e. ".|:"
Such a bar-line-type does not exist yet.

But search the NR for:
[...]
\defineBarline for the method how to define custom-bar.lines



Thank you! This solved my problem.
I really have to learn more about features added in recent versions!
--Richard


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