Re: Reducing the spacing between ChordNames systems

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 19:04 -0700, Paul Morris wrote:
> Richard Shann-2 wrote
> > This works perfectly on my minimal example but throws up a strangeness
> > on a real-world example. With 10 systems I get two pages with a strange
> > gap beneath the titles.
> 
> My guess is to try adjusting:
> 
>  markup-system-spacing
> 
> the distance between a (title or top-level) markup and the system that
> follows it.

Setting this to #0 moves the music up to follow the titles, leaving a
larger gap at the bottom, but does not prompt LilyPond to avoid the page
break - it behaves as if there was a manual page break three systems
before the end. As before, setting systems-per-page = #10 moves the last
three systems onto the first page with the music starting right after
the last title now.

Thanks for the help!

Richard




> 
> from:
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables#list-of-flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables
> 
> That should control the spacing between the titles and the first system on a
> page.
> 
> This is a really helpful visual guide (courtesy of Abraham):
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/attachment/164161/0/vertical-spacing-paper-variables.pdf
> 
> HTH,
> -Paul
> 
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multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[Neil Thornock]

The double whole rest forces the measure too wide in this example, as if
making room for notes that aren't there. Any ideas how to shorten the
measure up to be, at least, no longer than the other measures?

<<
  { c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. }
  { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }
>>
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Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[Neil Thornock]

I found some related ugliness. If the spacers are changed to rests, the
problem goes away.

<<
  { c'4 s2. c'4 s2. c'8 s2.. c'16 s2... }
  { R1*4 }
>>

Using transparent rests won't work for me because I need a beam extending
over the whole top staff, like so:

{ c'8[ s2.. c'8 s2.. c'8] s2.. }

A rest breaks the beam and a spacer breaks the spacing, so I'm stuck.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Neil Thornock 
wrote:

> The double whole rest forces the measure too wide in this example, as if
> making room for notes that aren't there. Any ideas how to shorten the
> measure up to be, at least, no longer than the other measures?
>
> <<
>   { c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. }
>   { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }
> >>
>
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Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[Phil Holmes]

Sublimely ugly, but this works:

{ c'8[ \hide Rest \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8 \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8] \repeat 
unfold 7 r8 }


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- Original Message - 
From: Neil Thornock

To: Lilypond users
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide


I found some related ugliness. If the spacers are changed to rests, the 
problem goes away.


<<
 { c'4 s2. c'4 s2. c'8 s2.. c'16 s2... }
 { R1*4 }





Using transparent rests won't work for me because I need a beam extending 
over the whole top staff, like so:



{ c'8[ s2.. c'8 s2.. c'8] s2.. }


A rest breaks the beam and a spacer breaks the spacing, so I'm stuck.



On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Neil Thornock  
wrote:


The double whole rest forces the measure too wide in this example, as if 
making room for notes that aren't there. Any ideas how to shorten the 
measure up to be, at least, no longer than the other measures?


<<
 { c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. }
 { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }









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Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[Neil Thornock]

Thanks Phil. It does make the layout consistent, but it does so by widening
all measures, and I was trying to find a way to narrow them down to avoid
spilling over to so many pages.

I have a different solution for now involving percent repeats, but the
default layout weirdness is still disconcerting...

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> Sublimely ugly, but this works:
>
> { c'8[ \hide Rest \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8 \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8] \repeat
> unfold 7 r8 }
>
> --
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>
>
> - Original Message - From: Neil Thornock
> To: Lilypond users
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide
>
>
>
> I found some related ugliness. If the spacers are changed to rests, the
> problem goes away.
>
> <<
>  { c'4 s2. c'4 s2. c'8 s2.. c'16 s2... }
>  { R1*4 }
>
>>
>>>
>
> Using transparent rests won't work for me because I need a beam extending
> over the whole top staff, like so:
>
>
> { c'8[ s2.. c'8 s2.. c'8] s2.. }
>
>
> A rest breaks the beam and a spacer breaks the spacing, so I'm stuck.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Neil Thornock 
> wrote:
>
> The double whole rest forces the measure too wide in this example, as if
> making room for notes that aren't there. Any ideas how to shorten the
> measure up to be, at least, no longer than the other measures?
>
> <<
>  { c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. }
>  { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }
>
>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[TaoCG]

As a workaround you could omit the spacer like this:

<<
  { c'4*8 c' c' }
  { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }
>>





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RE: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Neil,

 

Does the attached work?

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Neil 
Thornock
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 7:36 AM
To: Phil Holmes
Cc: Lilypond users
Subject: Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide

 

Thanks Phil. It does make the layout consistent, but it does so by widening all 
measures, and I was trying to find a way to narrow them down to avoid spilling 
over to so many pages.

I have a different solution for now involving percent repeats, but the default 
layout weirdness is still disconcerting...

 

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

Sublimely ugly, but this works:

{ c'8[ \hide Rest \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8 \repeat unfold 7 r8 c'8] \repeat 
unfold 7 r8 }

--
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- Original Message - From: Neil Thornock
To: Lilypond users
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: multimeasuerrest breve too wide




I found some related ugliness. If the spacers are changed to rests, the problem 
goes away.

<<
 { c'4 s2. c'4 s2. c'8 s2.. c'16 s2... }
 { R1*4 }

 



Using transparent rests won't work for me because I need a beam extending over 
the whole top staff, like so:


{ c'8[ s2.. c'8 s2.. c'8] s2.. }


A rest breaks the beam and a spacer breaks the spacing, so I'm stuck.



On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Neil Thornock  wrote:

The double whole rest forces the measure too wide in this example, as if making 
room for notes that aren't there. Any ideas how to shorten the measure up to 
be, at least, no longer than the other measures?

<<
 { c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. c'4 s1.. }
 { \time 8/4 c'4 r r2 r1 R\breve c'4 r r2 r1 }

 








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\version "2.18.0"

\score {
  
<<
  { c'4 s2. c'4 s2. c'8 s2.. c'16 s2... }
  { R1*4 }
>>
\layout {
\context {
  \Score
  proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
}
  }
}
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Re: settings to get closer to Sibelius

[TaoCG]

For the thickness of lines (barlines, stafflines, etc.) you shouldn't rely on
your computer display and always compare printed output.



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Re: Henle Music font

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

2014-09-12 5:40 GMT+02:00 tisimst :
> Here are some sample scans    of
> Henle scores I have. Which one should I base the new font off of? I know
> that there are even more designs, but I'll start with these (unless no one
> likes these ones :)

I like the middle two samples better than remaining ones.  But i don't
know whether they would be the most representative ones for Henle, so
count my vote with reduced weight :)

cheers,
Janek

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Creating new fonts with FontForgeErreur

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi,

Since Abraham has done a wonderful job with his new fonts, I wanted to come
back to some font works i started years ago without success (I'm a total
newbee with FontForge).
And still, I'm stucked with two issues which are probably caused by some
bad settings/options.
Even when simply copying Emmentaler-20.otf, compiling does not work well :
1. LP warning message : "SFNT font table missing for LilyPond"
2. stems stays on the oposit side of noteheads (see enclosed pic)

One thing that I don't understand also is that emmentaler-20.otf is about
165 ko and a FontForge copy of it is only 71 ko.

Any help would be great !
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: Creating new fonts with FontForgeErreur

[Abraham Lee]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Pierre Perol-Schneider 
 wrote:

Hi,

Since Abraham has done a wonderful job with his new fonts, I wanted 
to come back to some font works i started years ago without success 
(I'm a total newbee with FontForge).
And still, I'm stucked with two issues which are probably caused by 
some bad settings/options.
Even when simply copying Emmentaler-20.otf, compiling does not work 
well :

1. LP warning message : "SFNT font table missing for LilyPond"
2. stems stays on the oposit side of noteheads (see enclosed pic)

One thing that I don't understand also is that emmentaler-20.otf is 
about 165 ko and a FontForge copy of it is only 71 ko.


Any help would be great !
Cheers,
Pierre


Pierre,

You've discovered the difficult truth about the way music fonts are 
constructed for use in LilyPond. It's more than just putting the glyphs 
in the right places. There's a lot of correlated data that is used to 
place and space things correctly. This data is embedded in the font 
files. 

You probably noticed that FontForge told you it was ignoring certain 
subtables when you opened the Emmentaler one. It took me quite a while 
to understand how to everything works, but I can make your font work if 
you want to send me the fontforge files.


With everything I've done, it's not the mechanism inside LilyPond that 
changed. I simply cracked the code to make fonts work with it and until 
that mechanism changes, this is how we'll have to do things.


Regards,
Abraham
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Re: fonts.openlilylib.org is live!

[tisimst]

Guy Stalnaker-2 wrote
> Abraham,
> 
> Simply wonderful! LOVE Haydn. Seriously, it makes me happy (I know, I'm a
> font geek) to see a score with that font.
> 
> Only quibble are the stylesheets. On a kubuntu Linux install, I cannot get
> them working in Frescobaldi. I added the the path to the Preferences as
> you
> suggest. Frescobaldi correctly auto-completes the include filename, so I
> know it can find them. I can Ctrl-click on the include filename and
> Frescobaldi will actually open the stylesheet file. But, compiling the
> file
> with lilypond does not use the stylesheet file contents. I can move to the
> command line (and, of course, use the --include or -I directive) and with
> -V verbose output clearly see that lilypond is using the default
> ementhaler
> font. Here's some of the verbose output from the command line:
>> Using `english' note names...]
>>   [/home/jstalnak/Dropbox/Music/Lilypond/stylesheets/haydn.ily] <-- the
>> \include file path!
>> Interpreting music...
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-20.otf][8][16]
>> 
>> elapsed time: 0.12 seconds
>> Element count 2745 (spanners 375)
>> Preprocessing graphical objects...
>> Grob count 3795
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-11.otf]
>> <-- But still using emmentaler!
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-13.otf]
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-14.otf]
>> [emmentaler-13_4.5693359375]
> And here are the stylesheet files:
>> KubuntuMacBook% ls -l
>> /home/jstalnak/Dropbox/Music/Lilypond/stylesheets
>> total 92
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  520 Sep 10 14:38 cadence.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  991 Aug  4 10:39 font-register.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  546 Sep 10 14:38 gonville.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  869 Sep 10 14:38 gutenberg1939.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  782 Sep 10 14:38 haydn.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak 5343 Sep 10 14:23 jazzchords.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak 2684 Sep 11 22:50 LilyJAZZ.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  523 Sep 10 14:40 paganini.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  932 Sep 10 14:41 profondo.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  717 Sep 10 14:41 ross.ily
>> -rwxrwxrwx 1 jstalnak jstalnak  648 Sep 10 14:41 scorlatti.ily
> I know that the fonts are in the right place for I can take literally copy
> the \paper and \layout directives from the stylesheet file Frescobaldi
> opens and paste them into the score and they work. Here's the lilypond
> verbose output when I copy/paste the stylesheet contents directly into the
> score:
>>   [/home/jstalnak/Dropbox/Music/Lilypond/stylesheets/haydn.ily] <-- the
>> \include file path!
>> Interpreting music...
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-20.otf][8][16]
>> elapsed time: 0.13 seconds
>> Element count 2745 (spanners 375)
>> Preprocessing graphical objects...
>> Grob count 3795
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/haydn-11.otf]
>> <--
>> Now using the haydn font!
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/haydn-13.otf]
>> [/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/haydn-14.otf]
> So, does not work using the \include from either inside Frescobaldi or
> lilypond on the commandline, but does work if used directly in the score.
> Just wierd.
> 
> Any idea what may be going awry?
> 
> Guy Stalnaker

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Guy,

Glad you like Haydn! It was fun to make.

As for the \include issue you describe, would you do me a favor and send the
.ly file you are using? It appears you are doing the right things in
Frescobaldi (I've done this on both Ubuntu and Windows), but I'd need to see
the actual file you are using to know if the .ly file is the problem (since
I've noticed that the order of things can mess things up without throwing an
error) or if there is something deeper going on. I couldn't see it in the
verbose output you posted, but does LilyPond actually give you an error? or
is it just not working as you expect it to? 

Let's get this working for you! Using the stylesheets are very handy, in my
experience so far.

Regards,
Abraham

P.S. For anyone who can't figure out where the fonts should go, the example
verbose output that Guy posted should show you where to put them, like where
it says:

[/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/fonts/otf/emmentaler-20.otf]

For your system, compile any score you have (with the "verbose" setting on)
and that should show you where it's getting the emmentaler-XX.otf fonts
from. The new alternative music fonts need to go in that same directory.



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Re: Henle Music font

[tisimst]

Janek Warchoł wrote
> Hi,
> 
> I like the middle two samples better than remaining ones.  But i don't
> know whether they would be the most representative ones for Henle, so
> count my vote with reduced weight :)
> 
> cheers,
> Janek

Janek,

Thanks for your input. Do you have access to any scores, produced by Henle,
that have a look you like more?

Regards,
Abraham



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Re: Henle Music font

[Janek Warchoł]

2014-09-12 20:26 GMT+02:00 tisimst :
> Janek Warchoł wrote
>> Hi,
>>
>> I like the middle two samples better than remaining ones.  But i don't
>> know whether they would be the most representative ones for Henle, so
>> count my vote with reduced weight :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Janek
>
> Janek,
>
> Thanks for your input. Do you have access to any scores, produced by Henle,
> that have a look you like more?

Nope.

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Re: Henle Music font

[Urs Liska]

On 12. September 2014 20:36:37 MESZ, "Janek Warchoł"  
wrote:
>2014-09-12 20:26 GMT+02:00 tisimst :
>> Janek Warchoł wrote
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I like the middle two samples better than remaining ones.  But i
>don't
>>> know whether they would be the most representative ones for Henle,
>so
>>> count my vote with reduced weight :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Janek
>>
>> Janek,
>>
>> Thanks for your input. Do you have access to any scores, produced by
>Henle,
>> that have a look you like more?
>
>Nope.
>

Hihi, Abraham, I invite you to visit me and investigate my engraving plate from 
Chopin's f minor concerto :-)

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Re: Henle Music font

[Abraham Lee]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:
Hi, Abraham, I invite you to visit me and investigate my engraving 
plate from Chopin's f minor concerto :-)



Urs,

You have an actual engraving plate in your possession?! Lucky! I really 
wish I could come and visit to see the plate in person. Unfortunately, 
it's kind of out of my budget to do so at the moment (I'm in Utah, 
USA). Do you think you could use the plate to make the score and send 
it to me instead? Just kidding :) Maybe you could take a close-up 
picture of your plate and post it for us all to enjoy!


Regards,
Abraham
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Re: Henle Music font

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

> I like the middle two samples better than remaining ones.

Me, too.

Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: Henle Music font

[Abraham Lee]

-- Forwarded message --

From: Conor Cook 
Subject: Re: Henle Music font
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:49:57 -0500
To: Abraham Lee 

Oops, I didn't mean to make it private.  I get the emails as a digest, 
which makes responding hard.


The German fonts can be hard to read, eh?  Well, I have just been 
getting into typesetting and fonts, so I just like to see beautiful 
ones.  No big deal :)


Thank you for all of your incredible work, Abraham!  It is much 
appreciated.


Best,
Conor

 On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Abraham Lee 
 wrote:
 
 On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Conor Cook 
 wrote:
 I really like the text font of the 1950 example, but musically they 
are all stellar, so my vote is for 1950, but if someone could point 
me to the text font used there, I’d be happy with any of them!
 
 ~Conor Cook
 
 Conor,
 
 I don't mind that you sent me the message privately, but did you 
mean to do that or should I forward it to the lilypond-user mailing 
list? Just thought I'd ask.
 
 Anyway, thanks for your input! I'm not decided yet which style I'll 
do (first). I looked through that particular score and the only 
instances of the text font you referred to are in the tempo markings. 
All other text is in a more traditional German serif typeface.
 
 Regards,

 Abraham
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Re: Creating new fonts with FontForgeErreur

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi,

2014-09-12 19:42 GMT+02:00 Abraham Lee :


> There's a lot of correlated data that is used to place and space things
> correctly. This data is embedded in the font files.
>

Ok.


> I can make your font work if you want to send me the fontforge files.
>

Thanks but no, I prefer to understand things.

Pierre
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