Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Janek Warchoł]

Cool - thanks, Wilbert!  Frescobaldi FTW!
Janek

2014-06-09 21:37 GMT+02:00 Wilbert Berendsen :
> Hi all,
>
> Frescobaldi 2.0.16 has been released. Frescobaldi is a text editor dedicated
> to entering LilyPond music.
>
> Download:
> http://www.frescobaldi.org/download
>
> Main new features:
>   - preference to automatically strip trailing whitespace on save (issue
> #274)
>   - in Tools -> Rhythm: new command to remove duration scalings that contain
> a fraction value (the action was already available for some time, but it
> wasn't in the menu)
>   - new option to copy only the styled HTML contents to the clipboard
> wrapped in a pre tag, not a full HTML document
>
> Improvements:
>   - jumps in the Document Outline also allow navigating back
>   - autocompile does only happen when a document has toplevel markup or
> music
>   - LilyPond instance can be selected in convert-ly dialog (wish #311)
>   - Score Wizard: In the midi section the \tempo x=y syntax is now used when
> LilyPond version >= 2.16 is used (issue #337)
>   - Score Wizard: new brass instruments contributed by Ryan Michael McClure
>   - some missing commands and functions were added to highlighting and
> autocompletion
>   - the Document Fonts snippet doesn't require setting the staffize anymore
>   - View -> Folding -> Fold all now folds all subregions as well, making
> gradual unfolding easier (wish #394)
>
> Main bugfixes:
>   - fix sticky document setting lost on reload (issue #409)
>   - fix html export and copy not using the correct color scheme
>   - fix AttributeError in handle_lyricmode while typing \lyricmode
>   - fix LilyPond version chooser not defaulting to the default LilyPond
> version
>   - fix indenter aligning on comment
>   - fix AttributeError: QStackedWidget object has no attribute
> cursorForPosition
> on doubleclick in the text, reported by an Apple user
>   - fix AttributeError: 'ScoreWizard' object has no attribute
> 'showInsertDialog'
> reported by an Apple user
>
> Full changes:
> https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/blob/master/ChangeLog
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --
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> http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/
>
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Re: Centered Paragraphs

[Thomas Morley]

2014-06-11 5:00 GMT+02:00 Jay Anderson :
> My main goal is to have some simple indented paragraphs which don't
> take the full width and are centered horizontally. With a syntax
> something like this:
>
> \markuplist
> {
>   \paragraph
>   {
> Some text
>   }
>   \vspace #0.6
>
>   \paragraph
>   {
> Some more text
>   }
> }
>
> Any idea how to cause the paragraph command (from here:
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/extending/new-markup-list-command-definition)
> to center the paragraph?
>
> I can make it more narrow:
>
> #(define-markup-list-command (paragraph layout props args) (markup-list?)
>   #:properties ((par-indent 2))
>   (interpret-markup-list layout props
> #{
>   \markuplist \override-lines #'(line-width . 80)
>   \justified-lines
>   {
> \hspace #par-indent #args
>   }
> #}))
>
> But this keeps the text on the left edge of the page. All of my
> attempts have failed. The mismatch between markuplist and markup
> commands is my biggest difficulty.
>
> I tried switching to a markup command:
>
> #(define-markup-command (paragraph layout props args) (markup?)
>   #:properties ((par-indent 2))
>   (interpret-markup layout props
> #{
>   \markup
>   \fill-line
>   {
> \override #'(line-width . 80)
> \justify { \hspace #par-indent #args }
>   }
> #}))
>
> But this resulted in each word being on its own line.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> -Jay

Hi,

is
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=765
of some help?

Cheers,
  Harm

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New online music editor

[Christ van Willegen]

http://minghai.github.io/MarioSequencer/

Christ van Willegen
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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[James]

Martyn,

On 10/06/14 22:50, Martyn Quick wrote:
Thank you for the kind person who helped me out the last time I was 
trying to get to grips with Lilypond and guitar music.  I suspect 
these two are more challenging.


...

2. A common notation in guitar music is vibrato - is there any way to 
typeset such notation in Lilypond?
It may be useful to provide small example (screenshot or scan) of what 
this might look like to any non-guitarists that may then be able to give 
you help.


James
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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Federico Bruni]

2014-06-10 23:50 GMT+02:00 Martyn Quick :

> Thank you for the kind person who helped me out the last time I was trying
> to get to grips with Lilypond and guitar music.  I suspect these two are
> more challenging.
>
> 1. Is it possible at all to combine bends with hammer-on / pull-offs at
> all?  (e.g., a hammer-on immediately followed by a bend, or a bend-release
> followed immediately by a pull-off)  From what I read, the answer is no -
> since the current implementation of bend hacks the slur, which is what is
> also used for hammer-on / pull-offs.  (And if that is the case, is there
> any chance it will be addressed at some point?)
>
>
The problem and the workaround are described in the current home of bend.ly:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/guitar-string-bending

"""
You can't use hammer-on and pull-off when \bendOn is active, because this
snippet uses and transforms the slur engraver. This implies that you
cannot, for instance, start a pull-off right after a bend release. This is
one of the reasons why a bend engraver is needed (see issue 1196 above).
However, you can work around this problem by adding an hidden grace note
where the pull-off should start; you may have to use the \shape command to
adjust the slur shape.
"""



> 2. A common notation in guitar music is vibrato - is there any way to
> typeset such notation in Lilypond?
>
>
I could not find anything in the documentation nor in the LSR.
But I found this function in the archives:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-04/msg00793.html

I haven't tested it because there's no example file and I don't have time.
If someone wants to test it and add it to the LSR...
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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Wilbert,

I uninstalled frescobaldi-devel 2.0.15 and installed frescobaldi with MacPorts, 
but it’s frescobaldi 2.0.15 I obtain:

r...@semac1.epfl.ch:~ > port installed frescobaldi
The following ports are currently installed:
  frescobaldi @2.0.15_0+app+python27 (active)

r...@semac1.epfl.ch:~ > port upgrade frescobaldi
--->  Scanning binaries for linking errors
--->  No broken files found.

Thanks for your work and for the help!

JM

Le 9 juin 2014 à 21:37:05, Wilbert Berendsen  a écrit 
:

> Hi all,
> 
> Frescobaldi 2.0.16 has been released. Frescobaldi is a text editor dedicated 
> to entering LilyPond music.
> 
> Download:
> http://www.frescobaldi.org/download
> 
> Main new features:
>  - preference to automatically strip trailing whitespace on save (issue #274)
>  - in Tools -> Rhythm: new command to remove duration scalings that contain a 
> fraction value (the action was already available for some time, but it wasn't 
> in the menu)
>  - new option to copy only the styled HTML contents to the clipboard wrapped 
> in a pre tag, not a full HTML document
> 
> Improvements:
>  - jumps in the Document Outline also allow navigating back
>  - autocompile does only happen when a document has toplevel markup or music
>  - LilyPond instance can be selected in convert-ly dialog (wish #311)
>  - Score Wizard: In the midi section the \tempo x=y syntax is now used when 
> LilyPond version >= 2.16 is used (issue #337)
>  - Score Wizard: new brass instruments contributed by Ryan Michael McClure
>  - some missing commands and functions were added to highlighting and
>autocompletion
>  - the Document Fonts snippet doesn't require setting the staffize anymore
>  - View -> Folding -> Fold all now folds all subregions as well, making
>gradual unfolding easier (wish #394)
> 
> Main bugfixes:
>  - fix sticky document setting lost on reload (issue #409)
>  - fix html export and copy not using the correct color scheme
>  - fix AttributeError in handle_lyricmode while typing \lyricmode
>  - fix LilyPond version chooser not defaulting to the default LilyPond version
>  - fix indenter aligning on comment
>  - fix AttributeError: QStackedWidget object has no attribute 
> cursorForPosition
>on doubleclick in the text, reported by an Apple user
>  - fix AttributeError: 'ScoreWizard' object has no attribute 
> 'showInsertDialog'
>reported by an Apple user
> 
> Full changes:
> https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/blob/master/ChangeLog
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/
> 
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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Davide Liessi]

2014-06-11 14:10 GMT+02:00 Jacques Menu :
> I uninstalled frescobaldi-devel 2.0.15 and installed frescobaldi with
> MacPorts, but it’s frescobaldi 2.0.15 I obtain:

This is expected since I haven't already updated the port for
Frescobaldi to 2.0.16.
I'll do it later today.
I'll let you (and everyone else) know when it will be available
(hopefully a couple of days at most).

Also, you don't need to uninstall a port in order to update it: you
just need to `sudo port selfupdate` and then `sudo port upgrade ...`,
where '...' can be a list of port names or the keyword 'outdated'.

Best wishes.
Davide

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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Davide,

Thanks for your quick answer.

I uninstalled -devel thinking that is was different of the the regular version 
as far as MacPorts is concerned, since upgrading didn’t install 2.0.16… 

Sorry for the disturbance, thanks to you too for the great job you do around 
LP, and a nice day!

JM

Le 11 juin 2014 à 14:23:46, Davide Liessi  a écrit :

> 2014-06-11 14:10 GMT+02:00 Jacques Menu :
>> I uninstalled frescobaldi-devel 2.0.15 and installed frescobaldi with
>> MacPorts, but it’s frescobaldi 2.0.15 I obtain:
> 
> This is expected since I haven't already updated the port for
> Frescobaldi to 2.0.16.
> I'll do it later today.
> I'll let you (and everyone else) know when it will be available
> (hopefully a couple of days at most).
> 
> Also, you don't need to uninstall a port in order to update it: you
> just need to `sudo port selfupdate` and then `sudo port upgrade ...`,
> where '...' can be a list of port names or the keyword 'outdated'.
> 
> Best wishes.
> Davide


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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Martyn Quick]

On 10/06/14 22:50, Martyn Quick wrote:

Thank you for the kind person who helped me out the last time I was trying to 
get to grips with Lilypond and guitar music.  I suspect these two are more 
challenging.
>
>
>...
>
>
>2. A common notation in guitar music is vibrato - is there any way to typeset 
>such notation in Lilypond?
>
> It may be useful to provide small example (screenshot or scan) of what this 
> might look like to any 
> non-guitarists that may then be
able to give you help.

Err, good point - sorry.  First link that I found was: 
http://www.scenicnewengland.net/guitar/notate/symbols.htm

... and that has vibrato as the last thing example of notation listed.

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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Thomas Scharkowski]

Hi Davide,

will there be a Frescobaldi-2.0.16.dmg too?

Thomas

 Original-Nachricht 


2014-06-11 14:10 GMT+02:00 Jacques Menu :

I uninstalled frescobaldi-devel 2.0.15 and installed frescobaldi with
MacPorts, but it’s frescobaldi 2.0.15 I obtain:


This is expected since I haven't already updated the port for
Frescobaldi to 2.0.16.
I'll do it later today.
I'll let you (and everyone else) know when it will be available
(hopefully a couple of days at most).

Also, you don't need to uninstall a port in order to update it: you
just need to `sudo port selfupdate` and then `sudo port upgrade ...`,
where '...' can be a list of port names or the keyword 'outdated'.

Best wishes.
Davide

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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Martyn,


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Martyn Quick 
wrote:

>
>
> ... and that has vibrato as the last thing example of notation listed.
>
>
A simple way to get the line for vibrato would be to adapt a TextSpanner
object:

 \version "2.19.5"

{

  \override TextSpanner.style = #'trill

  c''\startTextSpan c''\stopTextSpan

}


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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

2014-06-11 12:37 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni :



> I could not find anything in the documentation nor in the LSR.
> But I found this function in the archives:
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-04/msg00793.html
>
> I haven't tested it because there's no example file and I don't have time.
> If someone wants to test it and add it to the LSR...
>

Hi Federico,
Why not.
Problem is that I cannot reach LSR previews for a couple of days (e.g.
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?u=1&id=918). I've asked Seba about that
but got no answer till now.
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

2014-06-11 15:36 GMT+02:00 Martyn Quick :


> Err, good point - sorry.  First link that I found was:
> http://www.scenicnewengland.net/guitar/notate/symbols.htm
>

> ... and that has vibrato as the last thing example of notation listed.
>

Hi Martyn,
Since the image you provide does not reflect LilyPond grobs I can give you
2 options which look close :

%%%
\version "2.18.2"

{

  \once\override TextSpanner.style = #'trill

  \once\override TextSpanner.minimum-length = #10

  \once\override TextSpanner.springs-and-rods =
#ly:spanner::set-spacing-rods

  c''2\startTextSpan s\stopTextSpan

}

{

  \once\override TextSpanner.style = #'zigzag

  \once\override TextSpanner.minimum-length = #10

  \once\override TextSpanner.springs-and-rods =
#ly:spanner::set-spacing-rods

  c''2\startTextSpan s\stopTextSpan

}




HTH,

Pierre
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Re: New online music editor

[Urs Liska]

Am 11.06.2014 12:18, schrieb Christ van Willegen:

http://minghai.github.io/MarioSequencer/

Christ van Willegen



Very nice :-)
Particularly the "playback cursor". ROFL

Urs

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Ignoring note clash

[Knute Snortum]

This post is mostly for me to discover whether there's a better way to do
what I'm doing.

The following code produces the output I want, but it suppresses a warning:

%%
\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

ignoreClash = \override NoteColumn.ignore-collision = ##t

\relative c {
  \clef bass
  \time 2/2

  <<
{ \ignoreClash 2 ( 4  ) }
\\
{ \acciaccatura { \stemUp 8 } 1  }
  >>
}
%

If I remove \ignoreClash, I get a warning that there are too many clashing
note columns.  The output is still fine.

My questions are these: 1) is there a better way to do this other than
suppressing a warning, and 2) since it doesn't look like there are clashing
note columns, what is the warning telling me exactly?

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Re: Ignoring note clash

[Urs Liska]

Am 11.06.2014 16:56, schrieb Knute Snortum:

This post is mostly for me to discover whether there's a better way to do
what I'm doing.

The following code produces the output I want, but it suppresses a warning:

%%
\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

ignoreClash = \override NoteColumn.ignore-collision = ##t

\relative c {
   \clef bass
   \time 2/2

   <<
 { \ignoreClash 2 ( 4  ) }
 \\
 { \acciaccatura { \stemUp 8 } 1  }
   >>
}
%

If I remove \ignoreClash, I get a warning that there are too many clashing
note columns.  The output is still fine.

My questions are these: 1) is there a better way to do this other than
suppressing a warning, and


I don't know if that's the best way to do it, but I'm doing exactly the 
same thing.
Except that I'd write \once \override in such a function because more 
often than not you'll have a single event where you expect a notecolumn 
clash.



2) since it doesn't look like there are clashing
note columns, what is the warning telling me exactly?


by the \stemUp you force the lower voice to the same notecolumn as the 
upper. Which is true for the whole note too, although there is no 
visible collision.
The solution is to write either \stemDown or \voiceTwo before the ef 
octave. Then you don't need \ignoreClash at all because you have removed 
the clash in the first place.


HTH
Urs



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"avoid-slur" does not apply on a tie.

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi,
I'd like to understand why "avoid-slur" does not work on this old style
vibrato sign :

%%
\version "2.18.2"

\markup\italic "avoid-slur works with slur:"

{

   \override Script.avoid-slur = #'inside

   c''4^.^( c''^.)

}

 \markup\italic "but not with tie:"

{

   \override Script.avoid-slur = #'inside

   c''4^.^~ c''^.

}

%%%


Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: Ignoring note clash

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Knute,

> My questions are these: 1) is there a better way to do this other than 
> suppressing a warning

Maybe use explicitly instantiated voices?

%%
\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

\relative c {
  \clef bass
  \time 2/2
  \acciaccatura { \stemUp 8 }
<<
{ \voiceTwo 1 }
\\ 
\new Voice { \voiceOne 2 ( 4  ) }
  >> \oneVoice
}
%

For more details, see


> 2) since it doesn't look like there are clashing note columns, what is the 
> warning telling me exactly?

There’s a conflict in the grace timing between the different voices, I think.

Hope this helps!
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Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 2.0.16 released

[Davide Liessi]

2014-06-11 15:43 GMT+02:00 Thomas Scharkowski :
> will there be a Frescobaldi-2.0.16.dmg too?

I hoped to solve the problems of the application bundle before 2.0.16,
but I had to stop working on it for a while (and what I had was not in
a shape good enough to be shared).
I'll get back to those problems as soon as possible.
Best wishes.
Davide

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Re: Ignoring note clash

[David Kastrup]

Urs Liska  writes:

> Am 11.06.2014 16:56, schrieb Knute Snortum:
>> This post is mostly for me to discover whether there's a better way to do
>> what I'm doing.
>>
>> The following code produces the output I want, but it suppresses a warning:
>>
>> %%
>> \version "2.18.2"
>> \language "english"
>>
>> ignoreClash = \override NoteColumn.ignore-collision = ##t

> Except that I'd write \once \override in such a function because more
> often than not you'll have a single event where you expect a
> notecolumn clash.

But you can do \once\ignoreClash if you want to.

-- 
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Ignoring note clash

[Urs Liska]

Am 11.06.2014 18:58, schrieb David Kastrup:

Urs Liska  writes:


Am 11.06.2014 16:56, schrieb Knute Snortum:

This post is mostly for me to discover whether there's a better way to do
what I'm doing.

The following code produces the output I want, but it suppresses a warning:

%%
\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

ignoreClash = \override NoteColumn.ignore-collision = ##t



Except that I'd write \once \override in such a function because more
often than not you'll have a single event where you expect a
notecolumn clash.


But you can do \once\ignoreClash if you want to.



Oh, cool!

Urs

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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Martyn Quick]

From: Federico Bruni 



2014-06-10 23:50 GMT+02:00 Martyn Quick :

Thank you for the kind person who helped me out the last time I was trying to 
get to grips with Lilypond and guitar music.  I suspect these two are more 
challenging.
>
>
>1. Is it possible at all to combine bends with hammer-on / pull-offs at all?  
>(e.g., a hammer-on immediately followed by a bend, or a bend-release followed 
>immediately by a pull-off)  From what I read, the answer is no - since the 
>current implementation of bend hacks the slur, which is what is also used for 
>hammer-on / pull-offs.  (And if that is the case, is there any chance it will 
>be addressed at some point?)
>
>

> The problem and the workaround are described in the current home of bend.ly:
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/guitar-string-bending
>
> """
> You can't use hammer-on and pull-off when > \bendOn > is active, because
this snippet uses and transforms the slur engraver.  This implies that
you cannot, > for instance, start a pull-off right after a bend release.
This is one of the reasons why a bend
> engraver is needed (see
issue 1196 above). However, you can work around this problem by adding
> an hidden grace note  where the pull-off should start; you may have to
use the > \shape > command to adjust the slur shape.
>
> """

I presume that this means something like the following:

\version "2.18.0"

\include "benddefs.ily"

\score {

  <<
    \new Staff { \clef "treble_8"
  \bendOn
  a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes \grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
  a' ( b' ) a'2 |
    }

    \new TabStaff {
  \set TabStaff.minimumFret = #8
  \bendOn
  a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes \grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
  a' ( b' ) a'2 |
    }
  >>

}


I don't know how to make the suggested adjustment to the slur shape with \shape.

Martyn
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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Knute Snortum]

I don't have benddefs.ily so I couldn't test this, but I think it would
look like this: (you can of course remove the comments to make the number
of lines fewer)

%%%
\version "2.18.0"

\include "benddefs.ily"

\score {

  <<
\new Staff { \clef "treble_8"
  \bendOn
  a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes
\shape #'(
   (-0.5 . 0.0)  % Starting point (x, y)
   (0.0 . 0.0)   % Bend point, left
   (0.0 . 0.0)   % Bend point, right
   (-0.5 . 0.0)  % Ending point
   ) Slur
\grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
  a' ( b' ) a'2 |
}

\new TabStaff {
  \set TabStaff.minimumFret = #8
  \bendOn
  a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes
\shape #'(
   (-0.5 . 0.0)  % Starting point (x, y)
   (0.0 . 0.0)   % Bend point, left
   (0.0 . 0.0)   % Bend point, right
   (-0.5 . 0.0)  % Ending point
   ) Slur
\grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
  a' ( b' ) a'2 |
}
  >>

}
%%


Knute Snortum
(via Gmail)


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Martyn Quick 
wrote:

> *From:* Federico Bruni 
>
> 2014-06-10 23:50 GMT+02:00 Martyn Quick :
>
> Thank you for the kind person who helped me out the last time I was trying
> to get to grips with Lilypond and guitar music.  I suspect these two are
> more challenging.
>
> 1. Is it possible at all to combine bends with hammer-on / pull-offs at
> all?  (e.g., a hammer-on immediately followed by a bend, or a bend-release
> followed immediately by a pull-off)  From what I read, the answer is no -
> since the current implementation of bend hacks the slur, which is what is
> also used for hammer-on / pull-offs.  (And if that is the case, is there
> any chance it will be addressed at some point?)
>
>
> > The problem and the workaround are described in the current home of
> bend.ly:
> >
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/notation-snippets/guitar-string-bending
> 
> >
> > """
> > You can't use hammer-on and pull-off when > \bendOn > is active,
> because this snippet uses and transforms the slur engraver. This implies
> that you cannot, > for instance, start a pull-off right after a bend
> release. This is one of the reasons why a bend
> > engraver is needed (see issue 1196 above). However, you can work around
> this problem by adding > an hidden grace note where the pull-off should
> start; you may have to use the > \shape > command to adjust the slur
> shape.
> >
> > """
>
> I presume that this means something like the following:
>
> \version "2.18.0"
>
> \include "benddefs.ily"
>
> \score {
>
>   <<
> \new Staff { \clef "treble_8"
>   \bendOn
>   a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes \grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
>   a' ( b' ) a'2 |
> }
>
> \new TabStaff {
>   \set TabStaff.minimumFret = #8
>   \bendOn
>   a'4 ( b' )( a' ) \bendOff \hideNotes \grace a' ( \unHideNotes g' ) |
>   a' ( b' ) a'2 |
> }
>   >>
>
> }
>
>
> I don't know how to make the suggested adjustment to the slur shape with
> \shape.
>
> Martyn
>
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Re: More questions about using Lilypond for guitar music

[Martyn Quick]

Just a quick final message - thanks for all the help several of you gave.  I 
have managed to get to grips with the workaround for bends/pull-offs, etc., and 
also make the vibrato / textspanner thing work.

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Re: Ignoring note clash

[tisimst]

Knute Snortum wrote
> This post is mostly for me to discover whether there's a better way to do
> what I'm doing.
> ...
> 
> My questions are these: 1) is there a better way to do this other than
> suppressing a warning, and 2) since it doesn't look like there are
> clashing
> note columns, what is the warning telling me exactly?
> 
> Knute Snortum

Knute,

I played with your snippet a little and I think I've got the answer to your
second question. Let's change the ef-chord to a half-note chord so it has a
stem and take away the \stemUp from the acciaccatura so we can see what's
really going on ('cause, in theory and my experience, you should be able to
do what you tried by using the voicing syntax and only needing to change the
stem direction of the acciaccatura):

\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

\relative c {
  \clef bass
  \time 2/2
  
  <<
{ 2 ( 4  ) }
\\
{ \acciaccatura { 8 } 2 }
  >> 
}

This exposes where the clashing note column is coming from (i.e., the
ef-chord's stem is also pointing upwards):

 

Now, this doesn't make sense to me, because in scores that I've done, using
the << {}\\{} >> syntax for voicing usually changes stem direction for me,
but as you can see in the above image, the ef-chord in the second voice is
most certainly pointing upwards, not downwards like the acciaccatura. This
leads me to question if something behind grace-like notes is causing the
second voice to revert to voiceOne, because if I manually put \voiceTwo
after the acciaccatura like this:

\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

\relative c {
  \clef bass
  \time 2/2
  
  <<
{ 2 ( 4  ) }
\\
{ \acciaccatura { 8 } \voiceTwo 2 }
  >> 
}

Then the clashing-notecolumn warning disappears, as we would expect:


 

You can then change the acciaccatura stem direction and the ef-chord back to
whole notes like you had it originally without any problems:

 

My question: Is this a bug? Why does the voicing get reverted after the
acciaccatura/grace/appoggiatura?

Regards,
Abraham



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Re: Mac testers needed for Frescobaldi!

[jimmyg521]

Davide,

Know I'm late to this party, but I cannot run this application. My 10.6.8 
MacOSX (a *old* MacBook which cannot  be upgraded to a newer MacOSX 
version) tells me, for the application as you have compiled it: "You can’t 
open the application “Frescobaldi.app” because it’s not supported on this 
type of Mac."

Would love to use it even as a dev version since I've just hosed my 
Frescobaldi install doing a port update. Another user reported the same sip 
API version error I'm seeing. I'm trying to force a recompile now. If it 
doesn't work I'll post to the list what I'm seeing.

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 5:42:26 AM UTC-5, Davide Liessi wrote:
>
> [1] My machine runs 10.6 (Snow Leopard) and I currently have only 
> occasional access to a 10.8 (Mountain Lion) machine. 
>
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acciaccatura leading to duplicated changed time signature

[Dirk Cushenbery]

When I delete the acciaccatura the time signature problem goes away.  Any 
thoughts?

mib4 r8 mib4 r8
mib4 r8 mib4 r8
mib [mib mib] mib [mib mib]
sol ([fad mib]) \acciaccatura fad mib ([re do])  %adding the acciaccatura 
resulted in having 2 cut time signatures% 

r4 sol'8 ([mib]) re ([mib])
fad ([sol fad]) mib ([re do])
mib4 r8 mib4 r8
mib4 r8 mib4 r8
mib [mib mib] mib [mib mib]
sol ([fad mib]) mib([re do]) 
   
\time 2/2 
\repeat volta 2 
{mib4^"Allegro Vivo" mib8 [re] mib4 mib8 [re]


Also I think I set the header up for Arabic, but the \dwn sib half flats are 
not showing up, si U have to use the Turkish half flats.   Again TIA, Dirk

 \version "2.18.2"
\header {
title = "Musika Farha"
composer = "Al Sararfy"
}

\include "arabic.ly"
\score  
\relative do'{
\set Staff.extraNatural = ##f
\set Staff.autoBeaming = ##f
\key sib\major  
\time 6/8

 \repeat volta 2
{do4. mib4 (re8)
sol4 (fad8) la ([sol sol])
do2.
do8 ([sib) la] sol [fad (mib]
re) [fad (mib]) mib8. ([re16 do8])} 

fa16 [misb re] misb4 (misb4)\fermata r16


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Typesetting chord

[Javier Ruiz-Alma]

Need help with notation for a  chord.

Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while
LP is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.

See attached.

Thank You

 

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Re: Typesetting chord

[Vaughan McAlley]

On 12 June 2014 12:35, Javier Ruiz-Alma  wrote:
> Need help with notation for a  chord.
>
> Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while
> LP is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.
>
> See attached.
>
> Thank You
>
>
>
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I prefer what Lilypond does. In some modern contexts there might be a
diagonal stem from the B natural to the stem of the B flat, but
leaving it out is definitely easier.

Vaughan


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RE: Typesetting chord

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Javier,

 

Would you consider < ais! b >?

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
Javier Ruiz-Alma
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:36 PM
To: 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: Typesetting  chord

 

Need help with notation for a  chord.

Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while
LP is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.

See attached.

Thank You

 

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RE: Typesetting chord

[Javier Ruiz-Alma]

I dare not question Chopin.  Attached is the same passage from a different
edition of same piece.

Same concept with yet more acrobatics, using a branched stem (!).

Javier

 

From: Mark Stephen Mrotek [mailto:carsonm...@ca.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:35 PM
To: 'Javier Ruiz-Alma'; 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: RE: Typesetting  chord

 

Javier,

 

Would you consider < ais! b >?

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org

[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
Javier Ruiz-Alma
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:36 PM
To: 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: Typesetting  chord

 

Need help with notation for a  chord.

Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while
LP is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.

See attached.

Thank You

 

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RE: Typesetting chord

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Javier,

 

Which piece by Chopin is it and what measure?

 

Mark

 

From: Javier Ruiz-Alma [mailto:jav...@ruiz-alma.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:43 PM
To: 'Mark Stephen Mrotek'; 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: RE: Typesetting  chord

 

I dare not question Chopin.  Attached is the same passage from a different
edition of same piece.

Same concept with yet more acrobatics, using a branched stem (!).

Javier

 

From: Mark Stephen Mrotek [mailto:carsonm...@ca.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:35 PM
To: 'Javier Ruiz-Alma'; 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: RE: Typesetting  chord

 

Javier,

 

Would you consider < ais! b >?

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
Javier Ruiz-Alma
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:36 PM
To: 'LilyPond User Group'
Subject: Typesetting  chord

 

Need help with notation for a  chord.

Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while
LP is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.

See attached.

Thank You

 

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Re: Typesetting chord

[Javier Ruiz-Alma]

This is from Chopin Ballade 1, measure 170 has  and 171 has , 
both with accidentals and noteheads arranged in this fashion.




On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:51 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek  
wrote:
 

>
>
>Javier,
> 
>Which piece by Chopin is it and what measure?
> 
>Mark
> 
>From:Javier Ruiz-Alma [mailto:jav...@ruiz-alma.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:43 PM
>To: 'Mark Stephen Mrotek'; 'LilyPond User Group'
>Subject: RE: Typesetting  chord
> 
>I dare not question Chopin.  Attached is the same passage from a different 
>edition of same piece.
>Same concept with yet more acrobatics, using a branched stem (!).
>Javier
> 
>From: Mark Stephen Mrotek [mailto:carsonm...@ca.rr.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:35 PM
>To: 'Javier Ruiz-Alma'; 'LilyPond User Group'
>Subject: RE: Typesetting  chord
> 
>Javier,
> 
>Would you consider < ais! b >?
> 
>Mark
> 
>From:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
>[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of 
>Javier Ruiz-Alma
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:36 PM
>To: 'LilyPond User Group'
>Subject: Typesetting  chord
> 
>Need help with notation for a  chord.
>Original typeset places the accidentals to the left of each notehead, while LP 
>is bundling accidentals to one side and noteheads in other.
>See attached.
>Thank You
> 
>
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Re: Typesetting chord

[Werner LEMBERG]

> Which piece by Chopin is it and what measure?

Hehe, if you have played it, you can recognize it immediately :-)

It's ballade nr. 1, op. 23; in

  
http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/5/54/IMSLP113137-PMLP01646-FChopin_Ballade_No.1__Op.23_BHBand1.pdf

it's the last bar on page 7.


Werner
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Re: Typesetting chord

[Keith OHara]

Vaughan McAlley  mcalley.net.au> writes:

> I prefer what Lilypond does. In some modern contexts there might be a
> diagonal stem from the B natural to the stem of the B flat, but
> leaving it out is definitely easier.

There is an example of how to draw that diagonal stem at
  http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=505
but I also prefer the single-stem chord notation.

By default, LilyPond applies the usual rules for chords to this case,
and it works well.  The flat is printed left of the natural, so the
natural cannot be mistaken as canceling a double flat.

I leave these clusters printed as chords, and shift the flat a little
lower, so that the accidentals are staggered, and then I recognize it
as a chord of a second without hesitation.
 { <\tweak Accidental.Y-offset #0.2 b'!
\tweak Accidental.Y-offset #-0.1 bes' >4  r4 
   4  r4 }



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Re: Typesetting chord

[Malte Meyn]

On 12.06.2014 05:43, Javier Ruiz-Alma wrote:

I dare not question Chopin.  Attached is the same passage from a different
edition of same piece.

That’s correct because Chopin is right: the b flat belongs to the C7 
chord which is the dominant seventh chord of the following f minor (and 
similar, the a flat is in the B♭7, dominant of E♭). And the b natural 
(which you also should write b, not c flat!) is the leading-tone to the 
following c.

Same concept with yet more acrobatics, using a branched stem (!).

Henle Urtext also writes  (with the b! on the left side), but 
with a Y-shaped stem (both branches slanted).


Malte

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