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Re: Why can't I \override TieColumn #'tie-configuration only \once?

2011-08-09 Thread Urs Liska


Am 09.08.2011 02:55, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:

On Di.,   9. Aug. 2011 01:34:02 CEST, David Kastrup  wrote:

harm6  writes:

Yes. But the Notation Reference demonstrates:

\relative c' {
2~
\override TieColumn #'tie-configuration =
#'((0.0 . 1) (-2.0 . 1) (-4.0 . 1))
2~
}

Where is your point?   It would still work after the next chord.

The example gives the impression that it needs to be set before the tie. I 
would also expect this, so I would intuitively also place the \once\override 
before the tie and wonder why it doesn't work.

Cheers,
Reinhold

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Hi all,

thanks for the discussion.
That the end of the tie counts is quite surprising as generally one has 
to place the overrides before the beginning of the item one wants to 
change. From reading the NR one would never think of such a possibility.


So I'd say:
a) What is the reason for this unusual behaviour? Is there a reason to 
keep it as it is or shouldn't we change this to a more consistent 
behaviour?
b) If it is decided to keep the current behaviour (for some conceptual 
reason or for sake of simplicity) this should be clearly documented.
In that case (please confirm) I'll prepare a documentation suggestion 
(at the same time correcting the issue with "half spaces" mentioned by 
Janek).


Best
Urs




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Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

2011-08-09 Thread flup2


Built-in text editor works with Mac OS X Lion, unlike 2.14.2.

Thanks.
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Re: Why can't I \override TieColumn #'tie-configuration only \once?

2011-08-09 Thread harm6



u_li wrote:
> 
> Am 09.08.2011 02:55, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:
>> On Di.,   9. Aug. 2011 01:34:02 CEST, David Kastrup  wrote:
>>> harm6  writes:
 Yes. But the Notation Reference demonstrates:

 \relative c' {
 2~
 \override TieColumn #'tie-configuration =
 #'((0.0 . 1) (-2.0 . 1) (-4.0 . 1))
 2~
 }
>>> Where is your point?   It would still work after the next chord.
>> The example gives the impression that it needs to be set before the tie.
>> I would also expect this, so I would intuitively also place the
>> \once\override before the tie and wonder why it doesn't work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Reinhold
> 

Reinhold pointed out what I intended to illustrate.



> Hi all,
> 
> thanks for the discussion.
> That the end of the tie counts is quite surprising as generally one has 
> to place the overrides before the beginning of the item one wants to 
> change. From reading the NR one would never think of such a possibility.
> 
> So I'd say:
> a) What is the reason for this unusual behaviour? Is there a reason to 
> keep it as it is or shouldn't we change this to a more consistent 
> behaviour?
> 

It isn't such an unusual behaviour, because the Item to override isn't the
Tie, you apply to TieColumn. 



> b) If it is decided to keep the current behaviour (for some conceptual 
> reason or for sake of simplicity) this should be clearly documented.
> In that case (please confirm) I'll prepare a documentation suggestion 
> (at the same time correcting the issue with "half spaces" mentioned by 
> Janek).
> 
> Best
> Urs
> 

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: Why can't I \override TieColumn #'tie-configuration only \once?

2011-08-09 Thread Urs Liska


Am 09.08.2011 10:32, schrieb harm6:


u_li wrote:

Am 09.08.2011 02:55, schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:

On Di.,   9. Aug. 2011 01:34:02 CEST, David Kastrup   wrote:

harm6   writes:

Yes. But the Notation Reference demonstrates:

\relative c' {
2~
\override TieColumn #'tie-configuration =
#'((0.0 . 1) (-2.0 . 1) (-4.0 . 1))
2~
}

Where is your point?   It would still work after the next chord.

The example gives the impression that it needs to be set before the tie.
I would also expect this, so I would intuitively also place the
\once\override before the tie and wonder why it doesn't work.

Cheers,
Reinhold

Reinhold pointed out what I intended to illustrate.




Hi all,

thanks for the discussion.
That the end of the tie counts is quite surprising as generally one has
to place the overrides before the beginning of the item one wants to
change. From reading the NR one would never think of such a possibility.

So I'd say:
a) What is the reason for this unusual behaviour? Is there a reason to
keep it as it is or shouldn't we change this to a more consistent
behaviour?


It isn't such an unusual behaviour, because the Item to override isn't the
Tie, you apply to TieColumn.


ACK, but from the perspective of an average user (such as me) it _is_ 
unusual, because the item I want to change _is_ starting at the 
beginning of the tie.
So I think it should be mentioned in the respective doc page. I'll 
prepare a suggestion ...

Best
Urs

b) If it is decided to keep the current behaviour (for some conceptual
reason or for sake of simplicity) this should be clearly documented.
In that case (please confirm) I'll prepare a documentation suggestion
(at the same time correcting the issue with "half spaces" mentioned by
Janek).

Best
Urs


Cheers,
   Harm




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Re: 2.15.8 change in \cueDuring behavior?

2011-08-09 Thread Trevor Daniels

Paul Scott wrote Monday, August 08, 2011 2:47 AM

On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:28:33PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer 
wrote:

Am Sunday, 7. August 2011, 22:18:04 schrieb Paul Scott:
> Hi,
>
> This is the first time I have used \cueDuring in 2.15.x.
> In the following example the note size doesn't return to normal 
> after

> the cue and the rests during the cue appear to be cue sized.
> My example seems to match the documentation.  Did I miss 
> something?

if a voice starts with cue notes you have to create the voice 
explicitly;

That sounds familiar.  Should that be considered a minor bug?

Yes.  There are many situations where contexts must
be created explicitly to avoid incorrect behaviour.
When this is not obvious they should be noted as
Warnings in the Notation Reference.  In the case of
\cueDuring the warning is given, but only as normal
text at the bottom of the first example of \cueDuring.
I think this should be elevated to a Warning.

Trevor 

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Re: Staff names in lilypond-book

2011-08-09 Thread Leszek Wroński

Dear Xavier,

thank you for the reply. I thought the "noindent" option tells LaTeX not to
indent the whole Lilypond block. Anyway, I deleted all previously made
snippets, removed the "noindent" option and the result is the same - no
indentation of the first system! I still don't know what's going on...

Best regards,

Leszek.

"Isn't that due to your use of the "noindent" option?
>
> When you process the .ly file alone with Lilypond the first system has
> a smaller width because *there is an indent*.
> If you process it with lilypond-book with the "noindent" option, there
> is no longer an indent!
>
> I'd suggest (simply) not to use the "noindent" option.
> Or am I missing something here?
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier"
>
> --
> Xavier Scheuer 
>
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Re: Staff names in lilypond-book

2011-08-09 Thread Leszek Wroński

Dear Ricardo,

thank you very much, this seems to be working quite nicely. Although I still
haven't managed to figure out how to insert page numbers so that they
wouldn't be inside the score (I'm fiddling with the
pagecommand={\thispagestyle{plain}} etc. option for the \includepdf
command).

Cheers,

Leszek.

On 7 August 2011 13:17, Ricardo Gabriel Herdt wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> You can try \includepdf from the pdfpages package. Also consider setting
> print-page-number to false in the .ly file.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ricardo
>
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Re: creating images for web pages

2011-08-09 Thread Colin Campbell


On 11-08-07 08:20 PM, ed stuckems wrote:

Hello:

I'm trying to create images of lilypond output to be included in web
pages.  I've been able to do it but the process is extremely labour
intensive and I've got to believe there's a more efficient way.  Can
someone please comment on ways to improve my process or suggest a
different strategy?




I don't know (rushing to get out the door to work!) if this has already 
been mentioned, Ed, but here 
 
is a link to our Contributor's guide, a section which gives several ways 
of trimming images of musical snippets to minimal size.  I think you may 
find what you need here, and in particular, Dmytro's trimtagline script 
should be useful.


Cheers,
Colin Campbell
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Re: 2.15.8 change in \cueDuring behavior?

2011-08-09 Thread Colin Campbell

On 11-08-09 02:59 AM, Trevor Daniels wrote:

Paul Scott wrote Monday, August 08, 2011 2:47 AM

On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:28:33PM +0200, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:

Am Sunday, 7. August 2011, 22:18:04 schrieb Paul Scott:
> Hi,
>
> This is the first time I have used \cueDuring in 2.15.x.
> In the following example the note size doesn't return to normal > 
after

> the cue and the rests during the cue appear to be cue sized.
> My example seems to match the documentation.  Did I miss > something?

if a voice starts with cue notes you have to create the voice 
explicitly;

That sounds familiar.  Should that be considered a minor bug?

Yes.  There are many situations where contexts must
be created explicitly to avoid incorrect behaviour.
When this is not obvious they should be noted as
Warnings in the Notation Reference.  In the case of
\cueDuring the warning is given, but only as normal
text at the bottom of the first example of \cueDuring.
I think this should be elevated to a Warning.

Trevor

Thanks for the above, added as issue 1811 
 and I'll see 
if I can have a look at it later today.

Cheers,

Colin Campbell
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RE: creating images for web pages

2011-08-09 Thread James Lowe

Hello,

)-Original Message-
)From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org
)[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] On
)Behalf Of ed stuckems
)Sent: 07 August 2011 18:16
)To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
)Subject: creating images for web pages
)
)Hello:
)
)I'm trying to create images of lilypond output to be included in web pages.
)I've been able to do it but the process is extremely labour intensive and
)I've got to believe there's a more efficient way.  Can someone please
)comment on ways to improve my process or suggest a different strategy?

I have no experience of this but have you looked at the 'Usage Manual' section 
3.2.3 on HTML?

http://lilypond.org/usage.html

James

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RE: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

2011-08-09 Thread James Lowe

Hello,

)-Original Message-
)From: Hans Aberg [mailto:haber...@telia.com]
)Sent: 08 August 2011 23:12
)To: James Lowe
)Cc: lilypond-devel (lilypond-de...@gnu.org); LilyPond User (lilypond-
)u...@gnu.org)
)Subject: Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available
)Importance: Low
)
)On 8 Aug 2011, at 23:11, James Lowe wrote:
)
)> For some reason Hans won't email the group ;)
)
)So then don't forward my mail to the lists! - The reason is that I can't verify
)it, so I do not want unreliable information spread around. Wait until you
)find someone who can do it.

Well don't reply to me directly when they come from the lists then!

I was just trying to help. 

I wasn't sure if

1. You had seen the response. This upload had been available for a while and we 
had had no confirmation.
2. You had made a mistake by sending to me directly. This happens all the time.

All we needed was for someone who had the problem to run the new binary and see 
if they still had the problem. That was all.

However next time I might not bother.

Thanks

James




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Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

2011-08-09 Thread Tim McNamara


On Aug 9, 2011, at 6:02 AM, James Lowe wrote:

> Well don't reply to me directly when they come from the lists then!


The way the list is set up increases the likelihood that replies will go to 
individuals rather than to the list.  This has been discussed before and there 
was vehement opposition on the part of a few folks to setting the reply-to 
header to go to the list instead of individuals.  The directions given were to 
"reply to all," which often does not happen.  It's a consequence of list 
management choices, there are pros and cons to each.
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Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Holmes

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim McNamara" 

To: "LilyPond User" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

On Aug 9, 2011, at 6:02 AM, James Lowe wrote:

Well don't reply to me directly when they come from the lists then!

The way the list is set up increases the likelihood that replies will go 
to individuals rather than to the list.  This has been discussed before 
and there was vehement opposition on the part of a few folks to setting 
the reply-to header to go to the list instead of individuals.  The 
directions given were to "reply to all," which often does not happen. 
It's a consequence of list management choices, there are pros and cons to 
each.

If you followed the thread, I'll think you'll find it was a deliberate 
choice.

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Re: font tree setting ignored

2011-08-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm


Has nobody an idea?

Am 2011-08-05 um 17:22 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:


Hello again,

LilyPond 2.14.x (tested .0 and .2) on OSX-Intel ignores my font  
settings like


\paper {
	#(define fonts (make-pango-font-tree "TeX Gyre Schola" "LMSans10"  
"LMTypewriter10 Regular" (/ 14 20)))

}

The font names are exactly the same as I get with "lilypond -dshow- 
available-fonts any", and it used to work. I can't tell when it  
stopped.

Of course I tried a bunch of other fonts, it never changes.

If I look into an EPS (from -dbackend=eps), I see that the serif  
font (here: Schola) is included, but it's never used (and thus not  
included in the PDF). The sans and typewriter font aren't even  
included.


*Without* define fonts, it's:

%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0
%%Creator: LilyPond 2.14.2
%%BoundingBox: 127 -179 468 -17
%%Orientation: Portrait
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font BitstreamVeraSans-Roman
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font CenturySchL-Roma
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font Emmentaler-14
%%EndComments

*With* define fonts, it's:

%!PS-Adobe-2.0 EPSF-2.0
%%Creator: LilyPond 2.14.2
%%BoundingBox: 127 -179 468 -17
%%Orientation: Portrait
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font BitstreamVeraSans-Roman
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font CenturySchL-Roma
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font Emmentaler-14
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: font TeXGyreSchola-Regular
%%EndComments

What can I do? Is this a bug?

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Re: creating images for web pages

2011-08-09 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer

Am Sonntag, 7. August 2011, 19:16:11 schrieb ed stuckems:
> Hello:
> 
> I'm trying to create images of lilypond output to be included in web
> pages.  I've been able to do it but the process is extremely labour
> intensive and I've got to believe there's a more efficient way.  Can
> someone please comment on ways to improve my process or suggest a
> different strategy?

Whenever I needs images to include in a LaTeX document or on a webpage, I 
simply use the following command call:

LILYPOND_LOGLEVEL=BASIC lilypond -drelative-includes -dbackend=eps \
-dpreview -dno-aux-files --pdf --png -dpixmap-format=pngalpha -o out/ \
FILENAME.ly

This creates FILENAME.{pdf,eps} and FILENAME.preview.{eps,pdf,png} in the out/ 
directory. -dpreview ensures that the *.preview.* images are cropped, and -
dpixmap-format=pngalpha makes the background of the png images transparent.

There's no need to specify a line width (i.e. paper size) for single-line 
snippets, because one-line snippets are layed out with ragged-right. 

Cheers,
Reinhold


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Re: lyqi on FC13

2011-08-09 Thread Henrik Frisk

>> I would really like to get lyqi working, so any hints are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> /Henrik
>>
> I think your best bet, Henrik, would be to get in touch with Nicolas Sceaux,
> the author of lyqui.  His email, from his home page, is
> nicolas.sce...@free.fr
>
Thanks Colin. I will do that!

/Henrik

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Re: creating images for web pages

2011-08-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm


Am 2011-08-09 um 19:08 schrieb Reinhold Kainhofer:


LILYPOND_LOGLEVEL=BASIC lilypond -drelative-includes -dbackend=eps \
-dpreview -dno-aux-files --pdf --png -dpixmap-format=pngalpha -o  
out/ \

FILENAME.ly

This creates FILENAME.{pdf,eps} and FILENAME.preview.{eps,pdf,png}  
in the out/
directory. -dpreview ensures that the *.preview.* images are  
cropped, and -
dpixmap-format=pngalpha makes the background of the png images  
transparent.


There's no need to specify a line width (i.e. paper size) for single- 
line

snippets, because one-line snippets are layed out with ragged-right.


Unfortunately the same for the *whole score* isn't possible as easy.


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Re: font tree setting ignored

2011-08-09 Thread Matthew Collett

On 10/08/2011, at 5:03 am, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

>> LilyPond 2.14.x (tested .0 and .2) on OSX-Intel ignores my font settings like
>> 
>> \paper {
>>  #(define fonts (make-pango-font-tree "TeX Gyre Schola" "LMSans10" 
>> "LMTypewriter10 Regular" (/ 14 20)))
>> }
>> 
>> The font names are exactly the same as I get with "lilypond 
>> -dshow-available-fonts any", and it used to work. I can't tell when it 
>> stopped.
>> Of course I tried a bunch of other fonts, it never changes.

Where do these fonts live?  User library, main library or somewhere else? As I 
reported to this list about a month ago, Lilypond (2.14.1) is not aware of the 
fonts in the user library (Mac OS X 10.6.8).  It seems to be a simple omission 
from fonts.conf, which has entries for the shared library fonts 
(/Library/Fonts) and the system fonts 
(/System/Library/Fonts) but not the user fonts 
(~/Library/Fonts). 

I also have a slightly different font problem, perhaps closer to yours, which 
is that requesting plain Helvetica gives me bold Helvetica instead (only this 
one font as far as I know; others, e.g. Helvetica Neue, are fine).  I have no 
idea why this happens.

Best wishes,
Matthew

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Re: New Binary for LilyPond on MacOSX 10.7 available

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