lilypond-book and DIN A4 ?!?

[Martin Brodbeck]

Hello,

I want to create a little booklet with some songs included. For some
reason, the paper size should be A4 (which will be resized later). I
include the ly-file(s) this way:
\lilypondfile[staffsize=18]{wasser.ly}

The funny thing is: after calling lilypond-book, the resulting
lily-.eps file looks perfect. But with the resulting page (see
ugly.jpg in attachment) is something wrong.

If I use A5 for the LaTeX File, the song looks good... I don't
understand this behaviour. Can someone explain me what am I doing wrong?
(BTW, I use lilypond 2.7.3 because of some lilypond-book problems in 2.6.1).

Thanks a lot,
Martin



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Re: lilypond-book and DIN A4 ?!?

[Graham Percival]

On 26-Jul-05, at 11:57 PM, Martin Brodbeck wrote:


The funny thing is: after calling lilypond-book, the resulting
lily-.eps file looks perfect. But with the resulting page (see
ugly.jpg in attachment) is something wrong.


Known issue; please search the lilypond-user and bug-lilypond
mailist archives for discussion and workarounds.
(it was probably discussed on lilypond-devel as well)

Cheers,
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Re: lilypond-book and DIN A4 ?!?

[Martin Brodbeck]

Graham Percival schrieb:

Known issue; please search the lilypond-user and bug-lilypond
mailist archives for discussion and workarounds.
(it was probably discussed on lilypond-devel as well)


After a third watch at lilypond-user I found a workaround:
"\newcommand{\betweenLilyPondSystem}[1]{\linebreak}" in the preamble of 
the LaTeX document fixes the issue.


Thanks,
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Re: need plain PS (not PDF) output

[Erik Sandberg]

On Friday 22 July 2005 15.57, Kieren Richard MacMillan wrote:
> Hi, everyone!
>
> First of all, WOW on the downloadable-installable-executable Mac OS X
> (and others) version 2.6 -- I can now start telling a LOT more of my
> colleagues that they should move to Lilypond...  =)
>
> I need straight PS output (to manipulate in Illustrator), not PDF.

Did you consider SVG output as well? I don't know about Illustrator, but I 
think that in most cases, it should be easier to manipulate SVG than PS.

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Re: convert-ly problem

[Erik Sandberg]

On Monday 25 July 2005 17.47, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "ES" == Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ES> \addlyrics (2.0) is converted to \oldaddlyrics, which is
> ES> strongly deprecated, and pretty unsupported. It is known that
> ES> it sometimes doesn't work.
>
> This seems like a bad decision to me, for a number of reasons:
>
>  One of the ways old users learn to use new features is to run
>  convert-ly on their old source.  If convert-ly creates bad
>  lilypond, it makes learning to use the new features difficult.
>
>  It means that nobody will upgrade lilypond who is working on a
>  large vocal music project.  Therefore, the newer versions of
>  lilypond will get less testing on such projects.

Yes, this is a known problem which we have discussed earlier. There is a 
trade-off between spending lots of time on maintaining old deprecated code, 
and forcing old users to do manual work.

> ES> There is no good automated way to convert from \oldaddlyrics
> ES> to \lyricsto, so I'm afraid you'll have to fix it manually.
>
> I'm willing to believe there is no automated way to convert every
> possible \addlyrics to an equivalent \lyricsto.  I don't believe that
> the most common cases couldn't be handled.  For example, two verses,
> with a chorus appended to the first verse, as in the example I
> submitted.

The main problems are:
 - Two verses now require two separate Lyrics contexts.
 - Convert-ly is regexp-driven. If you can figure out a nice way to express a 
partial \addlyrics -> \lyricsto conversion rule with regular expressions, 
this would be very welcome. 

Otherwise, there is always a chance that Han-Wen could implement a more 
advanced (possibly non-regexp) conversion hack in exchange for donations; you 
could ask him for that if you like.

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Re: convert-ly problem

[Laura Conrad]

> "ES" == Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

ES> On Monday 25 July 2005 17.47, Laura Conrad wrote:
>> > "ES" == Erik Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
ES> \addlyrics (2.0) is converted to \oldaddlyrics, which is
ES> strongly deprecated, and pretty unsupported. It is known that
ES> it sometimes doesn't work.
>> 
>> This seems like a bad decision to me, for a number of reasons:
>> 
>> One of the ways old users learn to use new features is to run
>> convert-ly on their old source.  If convert-ly creates bad
>> lilypond, it makes learning to use the new features difficult.
>> 
>> It means that nobody will upgrade lilypond who is working on a
>> large vocal music project.  Therefore, the newer versions of
>> lilypond will get less testing on such projects.

ES> Yes, this is a known problem which we have discussed earlier.

Which "we" is that?  I really think I'd remember a discussion of
convert-ly not converting lyrics any more if it had happened on either
lilypond-user or lilypond-devel.

ES> There is a trade-off between spending lots of time on
ES> maintaining old deprecated code, and forcing old users to do
ES> manual work.

Another branch of the tradeoff might be to not deprecate so much old
code.  

ES> There is no good automated way to convert from \oldaddlyrics
ES> to \lyricsto, so I'm afraid you'll have to fix it manually.
>> 
>> I'm willing to believe there is no automated way to convert every
>> possible \addlyrics to an equivalent \lyricsto.  I don't believe that
>> the most common cases couldn't be handled.  For example, two verses,
>> with a chorus appended to the first verse, as in the example I
>> submitted.

ES> The main problems are:

ES>  - Two verses now require two separate Lyrics contexts.  -
ES>  Convert-ly is regexp-driven. If you can figure out a nice way
ES>  to express a ES> partial \addlyrics -> \lyricsto conversion
ES>  rule with regular expressions, ES> this would be very
ES>  welcome.

I was building lilyond at the end of the 2.5-2.6 development cycle,
and was able to contribute code in a small way.  Since then, the
dependencies have changed so that my system no longer builds lilypond
in either the 2.6 branch or the 2.7 branch.  Since Serpent
Publications (me) has decided that the costs outweigh the benefits of
converting to 2.6 (see

for the rationale behind this decision), I really can't justify
spending time figuring out (again) how to get a build environment for
a program I'm not going to really be using.

Does anyone know how much lilypond out there is orphaned?  Between the
fact that old versions of lilypond don't run on modern machines and the
fact that there's a lot of lilypond that convert-ly doesn't handle,
there must be a lot of stuff that nobody can compile  without major
manual labor.  At what point is this volume of stuff going to feed
into design decisions?  Surely the lilypond developers want people to
be able to transcribe something and still be able to use it a year or
even 10 years from now?

-- 
Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
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RE: text markup extra space in {}

[Fairchild]

Sorry.  Bad click.

  - Bruce

-Original Message-
From: Han-Wen Nienhuys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:23 PM
To: Fairchild
Subject: Re: text markup extra space in {}



hi,

please use the mailing list.

Fairchild wrote:
> Is there a non-printing character, or some other way to insert spaces 
> in a string, other than \hspace?
> 
>  - Bruce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of Han-Wen Nienhuys
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:38 AM
> To: Graham Percival
> Cc: bug-lilypond
> Subject: Re: text markup extra space in {}
> 
> 
> Graham Percival wrote:
> 
>>This is a better example of that \header markup bug
>>I reported yesterday.
>>
>>
>>%  fink 2.7.3,  extra space between second Foo and . {c'4^\markup{Foo.
>>{Foo}.} }
>>
> 
> 
> not a bug. Markup is whitespace insensitive, so {Foo}. is like
> 
>   { Foo } .
> 
> 
> 
> 


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RE: text markup extra space in {}

[Fairchild]

Been experimenting.  Can't discern the rule set.

%

\version "2.4.6"
{{c''c''_\markup {\center-align <
 % each grouping shifts left 1/2 to 1 character.
   " XXX YYY ZZZ "% line 1

  "  XXX YYY ZZZ  "   % line 2

   " XXX YYY ZZZ" % line 3
"XXX YYY ZZZ "% line 4 - same as line 3

  "  XXX YYY ZZZ" % line 5
"XXX YYY ZZZ  "   % line 6 - same as line 5

"XXX YYY ZZZ" % line 7
   " XXXYYYZZZ "  % line 8 - same as line 7
   " XXXYYYZZZ "  % line 9 - same as line 7

  "  XXXYYYZZZ  " % line 10
>} c'' c''}}



- Bruce

   << ...snip...>>>

Fairchild wrote:
> Is there a non-printing character, or some other way to insert spaces
> in a string, other than \hspace?
> 
>  - Bruce
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Han-Wen Nienhuys
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:38 AM
> To: Graham Percival
> Cc: bug-lilypond
> Subject: Re: text markup extra space in {}
> 
> Graham Percival wrote:
> 
>>This is a better example of that \header markup bug
>>I reported yesterday.
>>
>>%  fink 2.7.3,  extra space between second Foo and . {c'4^\markup{Foo. 
>>{Foo}.} }
>>
> not a bug. Markup is whitespace insensitive, so {Foo}. is like
> 
>   { Foo } .

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What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence]

Hello-
I've been reading the manual (2.6.1)
I've looked at examples
But if all I want is the simple single line score, a pdf and midi output 
what is the least I need to add?
It looks like I have to add lines and lines of stuff just to add the 
midi out.

Maybe, I hope, I'm wrong?
Thanks.
Jay

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Re: What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Graham Percival]

On 27-Jul-05, at 3:00 PM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:


I've been reading the manual (2.6.1)
I've looked at examples
But if all I want is the simple single line score, a pdf and midi 
output what is the least I need to add?
It looks like I have to add lines and lines of stuff just to add the 
midi out.


Please look at the "Example templates".  They produce pdf and midi.

- Graham



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how to engrave arrow over notehead?

[Bodo]

Hi,
Thanks for this awesome program. I'm new to this, so excuse me if this is
obvious, but extensive search of the docs and mailing list has not yet come
up with anything, so:

I'm trying to engrave little up- or downwards pointing arrows over
noteheads. The reason for this is to indicate tones on the harmonic scale
(overtones) that cannot be directly mapped onto tones in equal temperament.
So if the tone is close to the tempered tone, but a little higher, there
should be a little arrow pointing upwards over the notehead. Conversely, if
the tone is slightly lower than the equal-tempered tone, the arrow over the
notehead should point downwards.

I'm not sure if there is a standard name for this notation, but it has
already been used in the Overtone literature. Can this be done in Lilypond?
If not, how hard would it be to add a new engraver for a little arrow?

As a workaround, I could try to put text over the notehead and find a font
that contains arrows, but maybe there is a better way?

Thanks,
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COMMENT LIMITER UNE PARTITION A UNE NOMBRE ENTIER DE PAGES ?

[Stephen]

En englais:

A well-placed
/break
or
/pageBreak
may do it.

I use:
betweensystempadding = -1\mm
bottommargin = 6\mm
or perhaps (peut-etre)
linewidth = 164\mm

to control where page breaks will be placed.

Ne rien,

Stephen


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Re: convert-ly problem

[Graham Percival]

On 27-Jul-05, at 7:59 AM, Laura Conrad wrote:

ES> Yes, this is a known problem which we have discussed earlier.

Which "we" is that?  I really think I'd remember a discussion of
convert-ly not converting lyrics any more if it had happened on either
lilypond-user or lilypond-devel.


I think that Erik is talking about this:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2004-12/msg00104.html

Lyrics weren't mentioned specifically, though.

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence]

When I copy and paste from the first template example and then copy and 
paste my chosen notes I get


error: syntax error, unexpected STRING
\new Staff
  \melody

When I delete those parts I get

A lovely pdf file no error messages and no midi even though I now have 
at the end

\score {
\layout { }
\midi { \tempo 4=60 }
}


So the example template in this instance does not seem to work at I 
expect.  Which is why I asked- what's the minimum?


Jay


Graham Percival wrote:



On 27-Jul-05, at 3:00 PM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:


I've been reading the manual (2.6.1)
I've looked at examples
But if all I want is the simple single line score, a pdf and midi 
output what is the least I need to add?
It looks like I have to add lines and lines of stuff just to add the 
midi out.



Please look at the "Example templates".  They produce pdf and midi.

- Graham




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Re: What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Graham Percival]

On 27-Jul-05, at 6:23 PM, Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

When I copy and paste from the first template example and then copy 
and paste my chosen notes I get


error: syntax error, unexpected STRING
\new Staff
  \melody


Please copy the entire example.


When I delete those parts I get


Don't just randomly delete parts!  If one of the example templates 
doesn't work as you
expect, then there's a big problem.  Investigate why it doesn't work -- 
is it a lilypond
bug, or are you mistaken about how lilypond works, or did you forget to 
copy something,

or...?

So the example template in this instance does not seem to work at I 
expect.  Which is why I asked- what's the minimum?


The minimum is simply
\midi{}


Please look carefully at a few of the example templates; I think it 
would help you

to understand how lilypond input files are constructed.

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(OT) vim, osx, text encoding (was: magic diacritic markup?)

[Graham Percival]

On 26-Jul-05, at 3:47 PM, Trevor Baca wrote:

Yes, you're right. The trick is

  set encoding=utf-8



All fine under OS X with
  :digraphs


Ok, I hate being a newbie, but I'm lost.  OSX 10.3.9, vim (as it comes
with OSX, not the fink version), Terminal.

I've got
set encoding=utf-8
in my ~/.vimrc, and the Terminal inspector "Display" window is set to
Unicode (UTF-8).  I'm using Monaco Regular font (in Terminal), if that
matters.

When I try
:digraphs
in vim, I see a whole bunch of question marks or ^x (where x is a 
capital

letter).  For example, the first two entries are
NU ^@  10  SH ^A

When I attempt to insert chars from OSX's Character Palette, I can
insert the copyright symbol ok, but attempting to insert smart quotes
results in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

(although the smart quotes don't look right, when I build the 
documentation,

they come out ok in the html pages)

Is this normal?


Cheers,
- Graham, LilyPond Documentation Editor



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Re: What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Paul Scott]

Jay Hamilton, Sound and Silence wrote:

When I copy and paste from the first template example and then copy 
and paste my chosen notes I get


error: syntax error, unexpected STRING
\new Staff
  \melody

When I delete those parts I get

A lovely pdf file no error messages and no midi even though I now have 
at the end

\score {


There needs to be some music right here.


\layout { }
\midi { \tempo 4=60 }
}


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Re: What's the least input into a score to get midi output added?

[Bec and John]

Hi Jim,I just tried the "Notes only" template and got an error that I commonly get when I copy and paste from the Lilypond manual - it doesn't like the " ’ " character that is in the manual. I have to manually delete them and reinsert " ' ". Then it typesets fine. Below is the "Notes only" template with the modification, which works fine on my installation of Lilypond 2.7.3 on OS 10.4.\version "2.6.0"melody = \relative c'{     \clef treble     \key c \major     \time 4/4     a4 b c d }\score{     \new Staff \melody     \layout    {            }     \midi { \tempo 4=60 } }- JohnWhen I copy and paste from the first template example and then copy and paste my chosen notes I geterror: syntax error, unexpected STRING\new Staff          \melodyWhen I delete those parts I getA lovely pdf file no error messages and no midi even though I now have at the end\score {\layout { }\midi { \tempo 4=60 }}So the example template in this instance does not seem to work at I expect.  Which is why I asked- what's the minimum?Jay___
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time signature above staff

[Bec and John]

Hi,

I was wondering if it's possible with Lilypond to put the time  
signature above the staff? Thanks.


- John


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Re: (OT) vim, osx, text encoding (was: magic diacritic markup?)

[Graham Percival]

On 27-Jul-05, at 7:54 PM, Trevor Baca wrote:


I thought I'd take this offline since the rest of the list at least
appears to have a pretty good handle on diacritics.


We might as well keep on it on the list; there may be somebody like me
who spends an hour searching mailing lists looking for a solution.  :)

Just like you I'm using vim from the OS X terminal application (not 
fink).


Are you using 10.4?  (see below)


What do these values give you:

  :set encoding?


Entered in command mode?
E519: Option not supported: encoding?
(same result for ":set encoding")

":set" just gives me this:
:set
--- Options ---
  backspace=2 scroll=14   ttyfast 
ttymouse=xterm

Hit ENTER or type command to continue



I think that should be enough to get what you need.


I finally tried using vim from fink.  Fink has version 6.3-4; OSX 
10.3.9 uses
6.2.  I didn't change my terminal settings or ~/.vimrc... and now utf-8 
stuff
works.  I can see digraph chars, I can see the smart quotes in the 
lyrics

section, etc.

I don't know if you're using 10.3 or 10.4, but I know that Han-Wen uses
10.3.9, and I'm pretty certain that he can use utf-8, so I find this 
quite

curious... but at least it's working for me now.

Cheers,
- Graham



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Re: time signature above staff AND Notes instead of numbers

[Mehmet Okonsar]

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:36 AM
Subject: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 32, Issue 52


Also can we have notes (ex. a quarter or a eight note ..) as a denominator.
Like 3 / {here a quarter note} all put above the staff?



Message: 9
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:05:50 -0400
From: Bec and John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: time signature above staff
To: "lilypond-user@gnu.org list" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hi,

I was wondering if it's possible with Lilypond to put the time  
signature above the staff? Thanks.

- John




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Re: How to remove the time signature without removing the barlines

[Graham Percival]

On 18-Jul-05, at 6:18 PM, Erik Sandberg wrote:

The reason I use it from time to time (maybe I'm a guru, but the
problem is definitely not a guru problem) is that if you move the
barline engraver from the score context to the staff context, you need
it to get any bars at all.


OK, then perhaps it shouldn't be removed from the manual. However, the
property is still a bit too odd to be mentioned in the "Basic Notation"
chapter IMHO, perhaps it's better to move it to somewhere in the 
internals

docu, or to an example in tips&tricks.


(whichBar)

I've left it where it is, but I labeled it as "common tweaked 
properties".  It isn't
commonly tweaked, but it's now visually distinct from the rest of that 
page, and
I can't think of anywhere else to easily put it.  I think this is the 
best

compromise.

Cheers,
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Re: LilyPond uses sans-serif font after 2.6 upgrade

[Graham Percival]

On 26-Jul-05, at 12:12 PM, Benjamin Esham wrote:


On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:23 AM, Matthias Neeracher wrote:
What is FONTCONFIG_FILE set to ? "echo $FONTCONFIG_FILE" should give 
you the value.


Usually, I invoke LilyPond from inside Vim; this is a bit of a hack, 
though, and sometimes not all of the environment variables are set 
correctly.  That seems to be what happened here.  Everything was fine 
when I called LilyPond from the terminal, so I realized that 
FONTCONFIG_FILE wasn't being set by Vim.  I fixed that and now 
everything runs fine.  Thanks for all of the help!


Hrm?  I'm missing something here... I'm still manually doing
# ln -s ~/usr/pkg/lilypond/share/lilypond//fonts/type1 ~/.fonts

is there a way to avoid having to update this every time?

spark:~ gperciva$ set | grep FONTCONFIG
FONTCONFIG_FILE=/sw/share/fontconfig-path/fontconfig-path.conf
spark:~ gperciva$ more /sw/share/fontconfig-path/fontconfig-path.conf




/sw/share/fontconfig-path


/etc/fonts/fonts.conf





Is this what's expected?  I'm compiling lilypond from CVS with some
old fink patches (cira 2.5.23, I think -- it doesn't complain, so I 
haven't

dared to change anything).

Cheers,
- Graham



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