Is the flageolet symbol too big?

2022-08-05 Thread Martín Rincón Botero
With the experience I had making this merge request
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1524 I make myself
the same question that I had with accents: is the flageolet symbol too big?
At first sight I would say yes. The documentation even includes tips for
making it smaller (in fact bringing the flageolet symbol to a size that I
guess many users expect to see). I don't think I've seen any particular
request from users wanting the symbol smaller by default. The only thread I
could find regarding the topic was this
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2016-06/msg00122.html, not
really a request. It could be that because of the fact that the snippet to
make the symbol smaller is directly mentioned in the documentation (as if
developers "suspect" it is indeed too big) users make use of the proposed
solution instead of coming to the list and ask about it.

Let's consider the following examples of the literature:

Borodin, String quartet No. 1, third movement, Trio.
Rahter:
[image: Borodin1.png]
Belaieff:
[image: Borodin2.png]
Lilypond:
[image: imagen.png]

The first example is very similar to Lilypond, the second one has a style
more similar to our "open" symbol. If this were the only example, I would
say, "no, the flageolet symbol of Lilypond is of average size". However,
the Rahter example seems to be more the exception than the rule when
comparing it with the following examples:

Berg, Wozzeck (Universal Edition):
[image: Wozzeck.png]
Lilypond:
[image: imagen.png]
Lilypond smaller (\tweak font-size -3 \flageolet):
[image: imagen.png]
(the UE notation leans here more to \tweak font-size -2 \flageolet. Some of
the following examples have even slightly smaller glyphs than \tweak
font-size -3 \flageolet, though).

Webern, Six pieces op. 6.
self-published:
[image: Webern selfpublished.png]
UE:
[image: Webern UE.png]
UE (1928):
[image: Webern UE 1928.png]
Lilypond:
[image: imagen.png]
Lilypond smaller:
[image: imagen.png]


Rimsky Korsakov, Sheherezade.
Unknown
http://vmirror.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/2/20/IMSLP01397-Rimsky_Sheherazade_2.pdf
:
[image: Rimsky1.png]
Muzyka:
[image: Rimsky Muzyka.png]
Eulenburg:
[image: Rimski Eulenburg.png]
Lilypond:
[image: imagen.png]
Lilypond smaller:
[image: imagen.png]

Schoenberg, Violin Concerto.
Schirmer:
[image: Schoenberg violin concerto.png]
Lilypond:
[image: imagen.png]
Lilypond smaller:
[image: imagen.png]

Wouldn't it be desirable to make the tweaked size the default, perhaps even
removing that snippet from the documentation as well?

—Martín.


-- 
www.martinrinconbotero.com


Re: Is the flageolet symbol too big?

2022-08-05 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Martín,

I agree that the default symbol should be smaller, and I also offer that it 
should be thicker.

Cheers,
Kieren.


PATCHES - Countdown to August 8

2022-08-05 Thread Colin Campbell
>From sunny Grand Forks, BC, on my way to the onions at Lavington, here is the 
>current countdown list. 
The next countdown will begin on August 8th. 
A list of all merge requests can be found here: 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests?sort=label_priority 


Push: 

!1518 hairpin.cc: add left padding to broken hairpins - Martφn Rinc≤n Botero 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1518 

!1512 feta-scripts.mf: Improve shape of some glyphs. - Werner Lemberg 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1512 


Countdown: 

!1523 Fix SpanBar width and anchor point - Dan Eble 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1523 

!1522 Remove safe mode - Jean Abou Samra 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1522 

!1521 Avoid building a temporary page for page layout - Jean Abou Samra 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1521 


Review: 

!1525 Divisio_engraver - Dan Eble 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1525 

!1524 feta-scripts.mf: make accent smaller - Martφn Rinc≤n Botero 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1524 

!1505 Use a unified output-def-kind variable instead of is-{paper,layout,midi} 
- Jean Abou Samra 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1505 


New: 

!1526 Complete number sets - Werner Lemberg 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1526 


Waiting: 

!913 release: binaries with cairo - Han-Wen Nienhuys 
https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/913 

Cheers, 
Colin 


Re: PATCHES - Countdown to August 8

2022-08-05 Thread Dan Eble
On Aug 5, 2022, at 22:35, Colin Campbell  wrote:

> !1525 Divisio_engraver - Dan Eble 
> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1525 

Those with an interest in ancient music, please take note.  I don't want you 
thinking of me next time you are singing Psalm 94.
— 
Dan




Re: PATCHES - Countdown to August 8

2022-08-05 Thread Werner LEMBERG


>> !1525 Divisio_engraver - Dan Eble 
>> https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/1525 
> 
> Those with an interest in ancient music, please take note.  I don't
> want you thinking of me next time you are singing Psalm 94.

:-) It would be nice to see larger real-world examples typeset with
and without your recent changes.


Werner