[libreoffice-l10n] Please remove Website project from HR locale Pootle.

2014-09-01 Thread Mihovil Stanic

Hello,

Can Pootle admins please remove "Website" project from Croatian HR 
locale on Pootle?
We started translating that last year in hopes it will be available on 
LibreOffice main download page, but since we got confirmation that will 
never happen, we aren't interested in maintaining our locale webpage.


If at any point you decide to translate main page, we will do that.
I'm hoping for something like this:
https://www.mozilla.org/hr/firefox/new/
https://www.mozilla.org/hr/thunderbird/
etc...

Best regards,
Mihovil

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...

2014-09-01 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *,

Am 28.08.2014 16:31 schrieb "anne-ology" :
>
>... what do these messages (see below) really mean?;
>   I've been getting them in the us...@global.libreoffice.org
> list
> yet these seem nonsensical since those list a subject line
> which means nothing to me.

A bounce is a message that could not be delivered and is returned back to
whoever sent it. In this case gmail refuses to accept mails from yahoo
users. Yahoo uses DMARC and as the list modifies Tue message, the signature
attached to the original mail gets invalid.Yahoo has determined that those
messages should not be accepted b other mail servers. Gmail respects that,
thus it bounces.

The mailing list doesn't know why the mail got sent back and assumes your
address has become invalid. But before unsubscribing you right away, it
sends you the probe message. On the one hand to check whether your address
is still valid, and on the other hand to let you know that you didn't
receive one of the mails that were sent to the list.

Hope that this explains what's happening..

Ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...

2014-09-01 Thread Dennis Roczek

Hi Christian,

well it expalins what had happend. But it doesn't explain to fix it or 
to recieve the not recieved mails. (I do get these mails also from time 
to time)


Regards,

Dennis Roczek

Am 01.09.2014 14:28, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

Hi *,

Am 28.08.2014 16:31 schrieb "anne-ology" :


... what do these messages (see below) really mean?;
   I've been getting them in the us...@global.libreoffice.org
list
 yet these seem nonsensical since those list a subject line
which means nothing to me.


A bounce is a message that could not be delivered and is returned back to
whoever sent it. In this case gmail refuses to accept mails from yahoo
users. Yahoo uses DMARC and as the list modifies Tue message, the signature
attached to the original mail gets invalid.Yahoo has determined that those
messages should not be accepted b other mail servers. Gmail respects that,
thus it bounces.

The mailing list doesn't know why the mail got sent back and assumes your
address has become invalid. But before unsubscribing you right away, it
sends you the probe message. On the one hand to check whether your address
is still valid, and on the other hand to let you know that you didn't
receive one of the mails that were sent to the list.

Hope that this explains what's happening..

Ciao
Christian




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...

2014-09-01 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Dennis, all,

 from the help mail for this list: 


Anyone can retrieve message number N from the list's archive by sending a
message to  (change the N to the number
of the desired message).


I hope, that is enough to explain how to get this message?


/Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...

2014-09-01 Thread anne-ology
   yes, I agree, Dennis,
  these have nothing to do with any I may have sent since they come
when I haven't sent anything.

   Therefore, Christian, I would like to know what is happening 'behind
the scenes' that would cause these nonsensical messages.

   Surely someone - on these lists - knows what's causing these ... why
they appear -
   I would assume it may be connected to the SPAM which accumulates
on the list at times  ;-(



From: Dennis Roczek 
Date: Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...
To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org


Hi Christian,

well it expalins what had happend. But it doesn't explain to fix it or to
recieve the not recieved mails. (I do get these mails also from time to
time)

Regards,

Dennis Roczek



Am 01.09.2014 14:28, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 Hi *,
>
> Am 28.08.2014 16:31 schrieb "anne-ology" :
>
>>
>> ... what do these messages (see below) really mean?;
>>I've been getting them in the us...@global.libreoffice.org
>> list
>>  yet these seem nonsensical since those list a subject line
>> which means nothing to me.
>>
>
> A bounce is a message that could not be delivered and is returned back to
> whoever sent it. In this case gmail refuses to accept mails from yahoo
> users. Yahoo uses DMARC and as the list modifies Tue message, the signature
> attached to the original mail gets invalid.Yahoo has determined that those
> messages should not be accepted b other mail servers. Gmail respects that,
> thus it bounces.
>
> The mailing list doesn't know why the mail got sent back and assumes your
> address has become invalid. But before unsubscribing you right away, it
> sends you the probe message. On the one hand to check whether your address
> is still valid, and on the other hand to let you know that you didn't
> receive one of the mails that were sent to the list.
>
> Hope that this explains what's happening..
>
> Ciao
> Christian
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...

2014-09-01 Thread anne-ology
   I assume this makes sense to you;
  but it's 'all Greek to me'  ;-)

   How can sending a message retrieve another message ???



From: Sigrid Carrera 
Date: Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-l10n] queries ...
To: Dennis Roczek 
Cc: l10n@global.libreoffice.org


Hi Dennis, all,

 from the help mail for this list: 


Anyone can retrieve message number N from the list's archive by sending a
message to  (change the N to the number
of the desired message).


I hope, that is enough to explain how to get this message?


/Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Please remove Website project from HR locale Pootle.

2014-09-01 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi Mihovil,

2014.09.01 11:57, Mihovil Stanic wrote:
> Can Pootle admins please remove "Website" project from Croatian HR
> locale on Pootle?
> We started translating that last year in hopes it will be available on
> LibreOffice main download page, but since we got confirmation that
> will never happen, we aren't interested in maintaining our locale
> webpage.
>
> If at any point you decide to translate main page, we will do that.
> I'm hoping for something like this:
> https://www.mozilla.org/hr/firefox/new/
> https://www.mozilla.org/hr/thunderbird/
> etc...

no problem to remove the project, but I still fail to realize why you
don't want to launch a Croatian landing page at hr.libreoffice.org. You
could put any content there, including translated content from the main
website. You could have as little as one page, or as many pages as you
are willing to manage on your website, it's all up to you and/oryour
team to decide. I understand that it's a different process than the one
employed by Mozilla, but it's very hard for me to see our process as
more limiting. On the contrary, I'd say you have much more freedom here
in this regard. And if you are afraid of the maintenance overhead, I can
almost certainly say that in case of one or two pages (e.g. home and
download pages), there would be no overhead whatsoever. At least I'm
pretty sure that you wouldn't have to update the pages on your website
for each new release, if that is what bothers you.

Regards,
Rimas

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Recruiting translators/editors

2014-09-01 Thread Rimas Kudelis
Hi,

2014.09.01 09:42, Mihovil Stanic wrote:
> Pootle is very non-tech user frendly and you shouldn't have problems
> translating with it.
>
> You should try to translate for Mozilla via HG where workflow is
> something like this:
> - learn using HG via command line or via Tortoise HG on windows
> - get keys from mozilla
> - login with key and password
> - download/merge whole repository every time you want to translate
> - check "Compare locales" tool and MANUALY copy string differences
> from EN_US to your locale
> - translate
> - commit changes
> - merge changes to HG repository
>
> With Pootle, you only log in and translate. :)

not that it's very relevant here, but just to let you know, you can
actually translate Firefox and Thunderbird in Pootle as well. I migrated
most of my Mozilla work to Pootle just a few weeks ago. There were some
migration-related bumps, but I'm gonna see how it goes from here.

Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Recruiting translators/editors

2014-09-01 Thread Mihovil Stanic
Thanks for heads up, but I'm on Pootle since last Mozilla summit, so 
almost a year now. :)


I was describing my workflow before Pootle, just to point our how easy 
is to translate with tool like that.


Best regards,
Mihovil

1.9.2014. u 20:22, Rimas Kudelis je napisao/la:
not that it's very relevant here, but just to let you know, you can 
actually translate Firefox and Thunderbird in Pootle as well. I 
migrated most of my Mozilla work to Pootle just a few weeks ago. There 
were some migration-related bumps, but I'm gonna see how it goes from 
here. Rimas 



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