Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] added possessive genitive case month names, HEADS UP localizers ; -)
On Monday 21 November 2011, Eike Rathke wrote: > On Sunday, 2011-11-20 14:30:23 +0200, Harri Pitkänen wrote: > > Has > > anyone checked how this affects interoperability with Excel? > > I think they use a similar approach for genitive case names (use them if > a day of month is present), but I haven't heard of partitive case. It seems that things are a little bit complicated with Finnish Excel. Essentially it does not have this feature directly in the date format implementation but instead they have hardcoded the partitive suffix into those predefined date formats that need it. I tested this by creating a file in Excel and entering a date with different formats. Then I saved it and opened the same file in LibreOffice 3.4.4. The result can be seen in this screenshot: http://www.puimula.org/htp/libreoffice/dformat.png - The predefined format for the date containing partitive month names translates to format string [$-40B]P\. \t\a;@ (P is Finnish format character for day of month and is full month name.). You can see that Excel hardcodes characters "ta" at the end of the month name. This is visible when you open the file in LibreOffice but can also be seen within Excel if choose the format and then go to custom format edit view. There is no direct support for genitive month names in Finnish Excel (thus no predefined formats where day of month precedes the month name), but of course you can create the custom format yourself. So actually the current implementation in Excel matches pretty much exactly LibreOffice 3.4.4 for Finnish. It seems to me that the intelligent month name format would lead to doubled partitive suffixes when a document created in Excel is opened in LibreOffice. We could avoid that by modifying the rule a bit: in case format specifier (or in the Finnish example above) is immediately followed by a character literal, nominative form is used even if there is day of month present in the format. This would also avoid problems with older OpenDocument files where people may have used similar hardcoded suffixes. Even then users who take advantage of the new feature in LibreOffice will see the month names incorrectly if they open the file in Excel. I don't see this as a problem since no data is lost, the formatting problem is minor and it is really just a missing feature in Excel which we cannot fix anyway. Harri -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] added possessive genitive case month names, HEADS UP localizers ; -)
Hi Xuacu, On Tuesday, 2011-11-22 02:28:24 +0100, Xuacu Saturio wrote: > My best guess for that is the attached file It would help if you actually attached the file ;-) Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] added possessive genitive case month names, HEADS UP localizers ; -)
Hi Harri, On Tuesday, 2011-11-22 18:00:00 +0200, Harri Pitkänen wrote: > On Monday 21 November 2011, Eike Rathke wrote: > > On Sunday, 2011-11-20 14:30:23 +0200, Harri Pitkänen wrote: > > > Has > > > anyone checked how this affects interoperability with Excel? > > > > I think they use a similar approach for genitive case names (use them if > > a day of month is present), but I haven't heard of partitive case. Hmm.. maybe that was wishful thinking, I didn't find any reference on that. Vista seems to have genitive month names, but Excel? > It seems that things are a little bit complicated with Finnish Excel. > Essentially it does not have this feature directly in the date format > implementation but instead they have hardcoded the partitive suffix into > those > predefined date formats that need it. Similar to what was done in our locale data format codes for some locales. Which reminds me that needs some handling when loading documents that use such formats. > It seems to me that the intelligent month name format would lead to doubled > partitive suffixes when a document created in Excel is opened in LibreOffice. Right, also for documents of an older LibO version if they have hard coded suffixes. > We could avoid that by modifying the rule a bit: in case format specifier > > (or in the Finnish example above) is immediately followed by a character > literal, nominative form is used even if there is day of month present in the > format. This would also avoid problems with older OpenDocument files where > people may have used similar hardcoded suffixes. Good approach, I'll implement that. > Even then users who take advantage of the new feature in LibreOffice will see > the month names incorrectly if they open the file in Excel. I don't see this > as a problem since no data is lost, the formatting problem is minor and it is > really just a missing feature in Excel which we cannot fix anyway. The same of course applies when opening such a document in an older LibO release, only the nominative name would be displayed, unless the locale defined genitive names in place of nominative names, which some locales did as it suited better the common use in date formats. Eike -- LibreOffice Calc developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. GnuPG key 0x293C05FD : 997A 4C60 CE41 0149 0DB3 9E96 2F1A D073 293C 05FD -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] added possessive genitive case month names, HEADS UP localizers ; -)
El 22/11/11 17:34, Eike Rathke escribió: Hi Xuacu, On Tuesday, 2011-11-22 02:28:24 +0100, Xuacu Saturio wrote: My best guess for that is the attached file It would help if you actually attached the file ;-) Eike Wow! I did it (at least Thunderbird says so), something went wrong with the mail delivery... or with Earlybird, I will have to check it :( Meanwhile, let's try via Dropbox: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13043022/LibreOffice/ast_ES.xml Best regards! -- Xuacu Saturio Sent while testing Thunderbird Unviáu dende Thunderbird en pruebes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-l10n] [libreoffice-website] I would like to make a webpage like nl.libreoffice.org for [BRX]
hi anyone from http://nl.libreoffice.org/ or anybody knows how to make images onclick to show full images like in http://nl.libreoffice.org/ . i would like to make it for http://brx.libreoffice.org thanks and regards sn -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to l10n+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
