[kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Hi all, Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of today i randomly stumbled upon http://www.mattermost.org/ it seems to tick all the boxes: * open source * we can self host an instance * fancy mobile and desktop apps * inline multimedia attachments into messages * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? -- Marco Martin ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On martedì 17 maggio 2016 10:55:52 CEST Marco Martin wrote: > Hi all, > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a Mattermost instance, though obviously the added workload for Sysadmin should be considered. Cheers, -- Teo Mrnjavac http://teom.org | t...@kde.org ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 11:24:59 +0200 Teo Mrnjavac ha scritto: > A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather > Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a I tested Mattermost myself a bit, it looks slick indeed, but I couldn't test more than that as I didn't find anyone willing to test. ;) pgpusQM8LT1XQ.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
I'm interested too, if for no other reason than self-hosting an instance means we aren't tied to the fate of a 3rd-party. Several people who were not on board with issues on the Telegram openness would probably be willing to use this as well. One thing I'd like to mention is that we should firmly cement whatever we choose, I don't think we've been using Telegram for a year and already we're looking at changing again. People trying to follow our channels might become frustrated if we switch messenger tools a third time, whatever we decide I think we need to be willing to say we'll stick with it for at least a couple years, even if we find it has faults. On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 11:24:59 +0200 > Teo Mrnjavac ha scritto: > > > A huge +1. It has Jenkins integration, and from what I gather > > Bugzilla integration might be doable as well. I'd love it if we had a > > I tested Mattermost myself a bit, it looks slick indeed, but I couldn't > test more than that as I didn't find anyone willing to test. ;) > > > ___ > kde-community mailing list > kde-community@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community > ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : > Hi all, > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication medium > due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting images > inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), there may be > other valid reasons i'm not aware of > today i randomly stumbled upon > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > * open source > * we can self host an instance > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be considered? There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push notifications through their servers. -- Nicolás ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 12:33:25 CEST Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > 2016-05-17 5:55 GMT-03:00 Marco Martin : > > Hi all, > > Right now many groups are using Telegram as their primary communication > > medium due to some limitations in IRC (mainly due to the ease of pasting > > images inline the channel and the lack of fancy mobile clients for IRC), > > there may be other valid reasons i'm not aware of > > today i randomly stumbled upon > > http://www.mattermost.org/ > > > > it seems to tick all the boxes: > > * open source > > * we can self host an instance > > * fancy mobile and desktop apps > > * inline multimedia attachments into messages > > * and most important for us old farts: bridge to IRC :p > > > > didn't try it, just stumbled upon it but may be something to be > > considered? > > There is no sane option for fancy mobile apps. You either compile your > own apps, get a developer account on app stores ($99 for iOS, $25 for > Android), get them through the app store review process, and maintain > them forever; or you use the official Mattermost apps that are already > in app stores, and pay Mattermost $20/user/year to send push > notifications through their servers. We already have a Google Play Store account, so at least that part would be no problem. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
On Dienstag, 17. Mai 2016 11:05:56 CEST Ken Vermette wrote: > I'm interested too, if for no other reason than self-hosting an instance > means we aren't tied to the fate of a 3rd-party. Several people who were > not on board with issues on the Telegram openness would probably be willing > to use this as well. > > One thing I'd like to mention is that we should firmly cement whatever we > choose, I don't think we've been using Telegram for a year and already > we're looking at changing again. People trying to follow our channels might > become frustrated if we switch messenger tools a third time, whatever we > decide I think we need to be willing to say we'll stick with it for at > least a couple years, even if we find it has faults. Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before switching any public communication over to it. In that regard, I'm for getting us an installation as soon as possible so we could try out or well it works for us. If it still proves to work well after the "oh, shiny new toy!" emotion wears off, we could make it official. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] KDE Mission - let's do this!
On Monday 16 May 2016 23:37:17 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Montag, 16. Mai 2016 22:59:59 CEST you wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > On Tuesday 10 May 2016 22:48:01 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 17:18:39 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > ... > > > > > > Both positions are perfectly valid, of course. Now the problem is: How > > > > can > > > > we tell what KDE as a whole puts more emphasis on, when nobody but us > > > > voices their opinion? > > > > > > Maybe post to a few more mailing lists, e.g. kde-devel, plasma-devel, > > > kde- > > > core-devel, kde-frameworks-devel, is there a calligra-dvel ? > > > > I have the impression this is not going well here. > > How can we get more people to participate ? > > Simply post to k-c-d and k-f-d ? > > Or try with some controversial post ? ;-) > > Hi Alex, > thank you for reminding me of the email I had been wanting to write today: > To be honest, I don't think the reach of this mailing list is the problem. > I've heard from quite a few people who have been following this discussion, > but have not participated in it (for various reasons). > Therefore, I changed plans. Instead of trying to get more people to > participate in the discussion here, I will do what I'm trained to do: I'll > conduct a survey. > > I think we've already come quite far with the draft and I don't think we > need much more open discussion. We have a quite good draft, but in several > points, we have your personal opinion against my personal opinion, and now > I think the next step whould be to find out what the majority (especially > the "silent majority") thinks. > > Tomorrow I will try to identify the points which are still contested (and > I'm happy for you or others to contribute to that as well) and put them in > a survey (along with those on which we agree, just to make sure the > majority agrees with us as well) which I will spread via the Dot, this > list, the ev- membership list and maybe kde-devel just to be sure. > > This survey will also invite people to join the mailing list discussion, but > will primarily aim to just get numbers on those issues where we don't know > what the majority thinks. > > While I'm confident that we have found a Vision which everybody agrees to, I > feel that for some points of the Mission, we'll have to go with a majority > vote, because there are competing standpoints which are both valid but > cannot really be harmonized. On the other hand, I do not think the > standpoints are so far apart that those who prefer the minority position > would not be able to identify with the Mission as a whole anymore if we > adopted the majority position. > > So, unless there are strong arguments against this approach, this is what I > will do. Sounds good, I'm happy to help. Alex ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] possible foss alternative to telegram/slack
Il giorno Tue, 17 May 2016 20:18:37 +0200 Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: > Good point! I think we should use it internally extensively before > switching any public communication over to it. More food for thought: another alternative may be Matrix[1] a FOSS, federated service a la Jabber. Unfortunately it lacks "proper" desktop clients, but there are a number of web and mobile clients around[2]. However, it looks a little more complicated to set up. [1] https://matrix.org/ [2] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team GPG key ID: A29D259B pgp8PjLRWj4nw.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
