Re: [Ilugc] Re: Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
On Friday 16 Jan 2009 1:27:29 pm satyaakam goswami wrote: > Go ahead and scratch your itch with politicians , Let me guess you must be > a comitee member for IT in LSP if not can you ask them to change from IIS > to Apache and Windows2000 to Gnu/Linux , if you have not tasted it , it > would be a fun excercise on a small scale about the resistance to change > and fi and buts for buy in . Yes i see they are using php in some way. and tables for page layout! -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] New Birthday Calendar
Hi Please click on the link below and enter your birthday into my calendar. It's quick, easy, and you'll be helping me out. http://www.birthdayalarm.com/bd2/84271847a141701053b1451086208c41930899d1386 Iniyan ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] New Birthday Calendar
On Friday 16 Jan 2009 6:09:16 pm Iniyan Paramasivam wrote: > Please click on the link below and enter your birthday into my calendar. > It's quick, easy, and you'll be helping me out. I think this guy needs to be banned -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
hi, in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other times does not. Why is this? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] New Birthday Calendar
sorry,tat was missent.very sorry. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Friday 16 Jan 2009 6:09:16 pm Iniyan Paramasivam wrote: > > Please click on the link below and enter your birthday into my calendar. > > It's quick, easy, and you'll be helping me out. > > I think this guy needs to be banned > > -- > regards > KG > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other > times does not. Why is this? >From my experience of using apt-get in Ubuntu, I was able to arrive at the following conclusion. Don't know if its correct. But I think this is the reason. I think it is the same for Debian. apt-get asks for confirmation only when the package size is large. Small packages are downloaded and installed without confirmation. -- Sin Cera, Bhargav Prasanna ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Bhargav Prasanna wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: >> hi, >> in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other >> times does not. Why is this? > > >From my experience of using apt-get in Ubuntu, I was able to arrive at > the following conclusion. Don't know if its correct. But I think this > is the reason. I think it is the same for Debian. > > apt-get asks for confirmation only when the package size is large. > Small packages are downloaded and installed without confirmation. > Yes, same observation. :-) I found a link with some different reason. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=3105&sid=59823166d605393f0ca06708e1feca53 -- With Regards Abhishek Amberkar Learn to appreciate a beauty within... ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
Hello, On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other > times does not. Why is this? The behaviour depends on the setting of the variable APT::Get:Trivial-Only and APT::Get::Assume-Yes. If you run "apt-get install pkgname" and this has no additional dependencies then it will not prompt you since it is doing exactly what you asked it to and nothing more. On the other hand, if there are additional dependencies and "Assume-Yes" is "False" then it will prompt you since it is installing additional stuff. This may further depend on whether recommended pacakges are among the dependencies etc. The idea is "principle of least surprise". If you want to eliminate surprise all together, then use the "--download-only" switch to download the relevant packages before installing them. If you feel that the surprise level is too high then set "Trivial-Only" to "True". Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
Bhargav Prasanna wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > hi, > > in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other > > times does not. Why is this? > > >>From my experience of using apt-get in Ubuntu, I was able to arrive at > the following conclusion. Don't know if its correct. But I think this > is the reason. I think it is the same for Debian. > > apt-get asks for confirmation only when the package size is large. > Small packages are downloaded and installed without confirmation. > This is borked. Installing packages silently without the user's permission is certainly bad. What difference does it make if the package size is small ? Sujith -- http://sujith-m.blogspot.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > Hello, > > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > in debian, apt-get sometimes asks whether to proceed or not, and at other > > times does not. Why is this? > > The behaviour depends on the setting of the variable > APT::Get:Trivial-Only and APT::Get::Assume-Yes. > > If you run "apt-get install pkgname" and this has no additional > dependencies then it will not prompt you since it is doing exactly > what you asked it to and nothing more. > > On the other hand, if there are additional dependencies and > "Assume-Yes" is "False" then it will prompt you since it is > installing additional stuff. This may further depend on whether > recommended pacakges are among the dependencies etc. > > The idea is "principle of least surprise". If you want to eliminate > surprise all together, then use the "--download-only" switch to > download the relevant packages before installing them. If you feel > that the surprise level is too high then set "Trivial-Only" to > "True". Does the same behaviour exist if you are using a 3rd party repo ? Sujith -- http://sujith-m.blogspot.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > If you run "apt-get install pkgname" and this has no additional > dependencies then it will not prompt you since it is doing exactly > what you asked it to and nothing more. That makes sense.. :) -- Sin Cera, Bhargav Prasanna ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why does apt-get not always ask for confirmation
Hello, On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Sujith wrote: > Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: > > If you run "apt-get install pkgname" and this has no additional > > dependencies then it will not prompt you since it is doing exactly > > what you asked it to and nothing more. ..etc. > Does the same behaviour exist if you are using a 3rd party repo ? Yes, as long as you have imported the repositories GPG key with apt-key. I forgot this point in my original post. The etch and later apt-get will _always_ prompt you if you are installing a package which is not "verified". Verification means: the package is listed in a package list containing package checksums and that package list is signed with a key known to apt-key. Regards, Kapil. -- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] re: status of fossconf 2009
>Initially SASTRA students were interested. Subsequently Valluvar College of > >Arts and Management, Karur has shown interest in hosting during the month > of > >March. > >Our college, Jerusalem college's authorities were contacted and they > also showed interest... so please dont leave us out in the list of > choices... ;) > > -- > > Sri Ramadoss M > ___ > To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with > "unsubscribe " > in the subject or body of the message. > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc > ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
Hi,
I'm trying to use gnokii with my mobile(Nokia 7610). It works
perfectly with sendsms. But i get error while using getsms.
here is the output i got:
vis...@vishnu-desktop:~/proj$ gnokii --getsms ME 1
GNOKII Version 0.6.27
LOG: debug mask is 0x1
Config read from file /home/vishnu/.gnokiirc.
phone instance config:
model = AT
port = /dev/ttyACM0
connection = serial
initlength = default
serial_baudrate = 19200
serial_write_usleep = -1
handshake = software
require_dcd = 0
smsc_timeout = 10
rfcomm_channel = 0
sm_retry = 0
Initializing AT capable mobile phone ...
Serial device: opening device /dev/ttyACM0
Serial device: setting RTS to high and DTR to high
Message sent: 0x00 / 0x0004
41 54 5a 0d | ATZ
write: [ATZ]
read : [ATZOK]
Message received: 0x00 / 0x000a
02 41 54 5a 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d | ATZ OK
Received message type 00
Message sent: 0x00 / 0x0005
41 54 45 31 0d | ATE1
write: [ATE1]
read : [ATE1OK]
Message received: 0x00 / 0x000b
02 41 54 45 31 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| ATE1 OK
Received message type 00
Message sent: 0x00 / 0x000a
41 54 2b 43 4d 45 45 3d 31 0d | AT+CMEE=1
write: [AT+CMEE=1]
read : [AT+CMEE=1OK]
Message received: 0x00 / 0x0010
02 41 54 2b 43 4d 45 45 3d 31 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d | AT+CMEE=1 OK
Received message type 00
Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0007
41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d| AT+GMM
write: [AT+GMM]
read : [AT+GMMNokia 7610OK]
Message received: 0x06 / 0x001b
02 41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 20 | AT+GMM Nokia
37 36 31 30 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| 7610OK
Received message type 06
Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0008
41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d | AT+CGMI
write: [AT+CGMI]
read : [AT+CGMINokiaOK]
Message received: 0x06 / 0x0017
02 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 | AT+CGMI Nokia
0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| OK
Received message type 06
Message sent: 0x61 / 0x0009
41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3f 0d | AT+CSCS?
write: [AT+CSCS?]
read : [AT+CSCS?+CSCS: "PCCP437"OK]
Message received: 0x61 / 0x0023
02 41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3f 0d 0d 0a 2b 43 53 43 | AT+CSCS? +CSC
53 3a 20 22 50 43 43 50 34 33 37 22 0d 0a 0d 0a | S: "PCCP437"
4f 4b 0d| OK
Received message type 61
Initialisation completed
Message sent: 0x61 / 0x000a
41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3d 3f 0d | AT+CSCS=?
write: [AT+CSCS=?]
read : [AT+CSCS=?+CSCS:
("UCS2","GSM","PCCP437","PCDN","IRA","8859-1","HEX")OK]
Message received: 0x61 / 0x004f
02 41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3d 3f 0d 0d 0a 2b 43 53 | AT+CSCS=? +CS
43 53 3a 20 28 22 55 43 53 32 22 2c 22 47 53 4d | CS: ("UCS2","GSM
22 2c 22 50 43 43 50 34 33 37 22 2c 22 50 43 44 | ","PCCP437","PCD
4e 22 2c 22 49 52 41 22 2c 22 38 38 35 39 2d 31 | N","IRA","8859-1
22 2c 22 48 45 58 22 29 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| ","HEX")OK
Received message type 61
Message sent: 0x00 / 0x000e
41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3d 22 47 53 4d 22 0d | AT+CSCS="GSM"
write: [AT+CSCS="GSM"]
read : [AT+CSCS="GSM"OK]
Message received: 0x00 / 0x0014
02 41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3d 22 47 53 4d 22 0d 0d | AT+CSCS="GSM"
0a 4f 4b 0d | OK
Received message type 00
Message sent: 0x00 / 0x000d
41 54 2b 43 50 4d 53 3d 22 4d 45 22 0d | AT+CPMS="ME"
write: [AT+CPMS="ME"]
read : [AT+CPMS="ME"ERROR]
Message received: 0x00 / 0x0016
03 41 54 2b 43 50 4d 53 3d 22 4d 45 22 0d 0d 0a | AT+CPMS="ME"
45 52 52 4f 52 0d | ERROR
Received message type 00
GetSMS ME 1 failed! (Unknown error - well better than nothing!!)
Serial device: closing device
Can anyone help me with this error?
Regards,
Deepak.
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Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Deepak Babu wrote: > > Hi, > >I'm trying to use gnokii with my mobile(Nokia 7610). It works > perfectly with sendsms. But i get error while using getsms. > here is the output i got: > > vis...@vishnu-desktop:~/proj$ gnokii --getsms ME 1 1.Your configuration seems to be wrong, make sure that these things are properly set model = port = connection = 2. Your mobile model number is not in the tested phones list http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Config#Supported_phones so there is no guarantee that your mobile will work with gnokii 3. You need to use appropriate cable if it is a wired connection. 4. Learn gnokii commands you should start with "gnokii --identify". my final year project is based on gnokii, though i have not started to work on my project yet, please let me know if it works. -- Thanks a lot - http://ubuntuslave.blogspot.com/ ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
Hi, --- On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Deepak Babu wrote: | 41 54 2b 43 50 4d 53 3d 22 4d 45 22 0d | AT+CPMS="ME" | write: [AT+CPMS="ME"] | read : [AT+CPMS="ME"ERROR] | Message received: 0x00 / 0x0016 | 03 41 54 2b 43 50 4d 53 3d 22 4d 45 22 0d 0d 0a | AT+CPMS="ME" | 45 52 52 4f 52 0d | ERROR \-- What does "AT+CPMS=?" return? SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
Hi, See, i could get output for the following command. vis...@vishnu-desktop:~/proj$ gnokii --identify GNOKII Version 0.6.27 LOG: debug mask is 0x1 Config read from file /home/vishnu/.gnokiirc. phone instance config: model = AT port = /dev/ttyACM0 connection = serial initlength = default serial_baudrate = 19200 serial_write_usleep = -1 handshake = software require_dcd = 0 smsc_timeout = 10 rfcomm_channel = 0 sm_retry = 0 Initializing AT capable mobile phone ... Serial device: opening device /dev/ttyACM0 Serial device: setting RTS to high and DTR to high Message sent: 0x00 / 0x0004 41 54 5a 0d | ATZ write: [ATZ] read : [ATZOK] Message received: 0x00 / 0x000a 02 41 54 5a 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d | ATZ OK Received message type 00 Message sent: 0x00 / 0x0005 41 54 45 31 0d | ATE1 write: [ATE1] read : [ATE1OK] Message received: 0x00 / 0x000b 02 41 54 45 31 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| ATE1 OK Received message type 00 Message sent: 0x00 / 0x000a 41 54 2b 43 4d 45 45 3d 31 0d | AT+CMEE=1 write: [AT+CMEE=1] read : [AT+CMEE=1OK] Message received: 0x00 / 0x0010 02 41 54 2b 43 4d 45 45 3d 31 0d 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d | AT+CMEE=1 OK Received message type 00 Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0007 41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d| AT+GMM write: [AT+GMM] read : [AT+GMMNokia 7610OK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x001b 02 41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 20 | AT+GMM Nokia 37 36 31 30 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| 7610OK Received message type 06 Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0008 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d | AT+CGMI write: [AT+CGMI] read : [AT+CGMINokiaOK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x0017 02 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 | AT+CGMI Nokia 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| OK Received message type 06 Message sent: 0x61 / 0x0009 41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3f 0d | AT+CSCS? write: [AT+CSCS?] read : [AT+CSCS?+CSCS: "PCCP437"OK] Message received: 0x61 / 0x0023 02 41 54 2b 43 53 43 53 3f 0d 0d 0a 2b 43 53 43 | AT+CSCS? +CSC 53 3a 20 22 50 43 43 50 34 33 37 22 0d 0a 0d 0a | S: "PCCP437" 4f 4b 0d| OK Received message type 61 Initialisation completed Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0007 41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d| AT+GMM write: [AT+GMM] read : [AT+GMMNokia 7610OK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x001b 02 41 54 2b 47 4d 4d 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 20 | AT+GMM Nokia 37 36 31 30 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| 7610OK Received message type 06 Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0008 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d | AT+CGMI write: [AT+CGMI] read : [AT+CGMINokiaOK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x0017 02 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 49 0d 0d 0a 4e 6f 6b 69 61 | AT+CGMI Nokia 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d| OK Received message type 06 Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0008 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 52 0d | AT+CGMR write: [AT+CGMR] read : [AT+CGMRV 7.0642.018-10-06RH-51(c)NMPOK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x0035 02 41 54 2b 43 47 4d 52 0d 0d 0a 56 20 37 2e 30 | AT+CGMR V 7.0 36 34 32 2e 30 0d 0a 31 38 2d 31 30 2d 30 36 0d | 642.0 18-10-06 0a 52 48 2d 35 31 0d 0a 28 63 29 4e 4d 50 0d 0a | RH-51 (c)NMP 0d 0a 4f 4b 0d | OK Received message type 06 Message sent: 0x06 / 0x0008 41 54 2b 43 47 53 4e 0d | AT+CGSN write: [AT+CGSN] read : [AT+CGSN356965011532219OK] Message received: 0x06 / 0x0021 02 41 54 2b 43 47 53 4e 0d 0d 0a 33 35 36 39 36 | AT+CGSN 35696 35 30 31 31 35 33 32 32 31 39 0d 0a 0d 0a 4f 4b | 5011532219OK 0d | Received message type 06 IMEI : 356965011532219 Manufacturer : Nokia Model: Nokia 7610 Product name : Nokia 7610 Revision : V 7.0642.0 Serial device: closing device Also gnokii --sendsms works for me. But gnokii --getsms is not woring. Regards, Deepak. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > > What does "AT+CPMS=?" return? > It is to specify the memory to be used for read/write messages. say, ME -> phone memory, SM -> SIM, F1 -> folder 1,etc., Regards, Deepak. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
Hi, --- On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Deepak Babu wrote: | It is to specify the memory to be used for read/write messages. | | say, ME -> phone memory, SM -> SIM, F1 -> folder 1,etc., \-- I had asked what output do you get when you try "AT+CPMS=?" with the phone. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnokii error in receiving sms
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > > > I had asked what output do you get when you try "AT+CPMS=?" with the phone. > > I tried using minicom. It says: AT+CPMS=? +CPMS: (),(),() OK Regards, Deepak. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Re: MP3 codec not getting installed
Bruce Mathew wrote: > dear friends > I canot install a codec for mp3 in my ubuntu > Pls help This is the error that i am getting > * > "This application is provided by the Ubuntu community. > GStreamer extra plugins cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). > Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor > decided to not support your computer type"* May be a stupid reply, but did you install restricted packages? Here is the link http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/11/multimedia-support-in-ubuntu-810.html Thanks, Mohan. ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with "unsubscribe " in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
