Wayne Bickerdike
It is with great sadness Linda Bickerdike and the Bickerdike family wish to inform you of the unexpected but peaceful passing of Wayne Bickerdike on Monday 6th of January 2025. A memorial service will be held at 2 PM AEDT (GMT+11) Tuesday 21st of January at Christ Church Geelong, Cnr Moorabool & McKillop Streets, Geelong. A live stream of the service will be provided on jhfunerals.com.au for those who cannot attend in person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.
I know of sites actively running it (INFOMAN) and of companies developing for it and then there is this: https://www.ibm.com/mysupport/s/topic/0TO0z006v2NGAQ/tivoli-information-management-for-zos?language=en_US&productId=01t0z07g6zIAAQ Followed by this: https://log-on.com/2023/10/16/log-on-software-announces-tivoli-product-replacements/ Used to use it quite heavily on MVS and VM primarily as a problem reporting system. Sebastian. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed program you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, maintainability, change tracking. On the flip side, it is legitimate to write pages of comments for a single instruction if that makes the code more readable or more maintainable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of The North American Becker <0762a73125b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 1:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution Ignore the last one, lol. I am a neophyte. https://youtu.be/z3Canfs_2Gc Nick Becker (HAL8943) Trident Services, Inc 319-451-8943 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc.
Was "irewalls" a typo? I like it either way! We should rename them that in many cases. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 8:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc. Yes, it's dead, but the functionality is available from other services as long as you have Internet access and your irewalls don't get underfoot. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mark Jacobs <0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2025 5:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: history and evolution of INFO/MVS, INFO/VM-VSE etc. External Message: Use Caution Does anyone remember Info/Access? It allowed the systems programmer to formulate a query on your terminal and then it would initiate a dial-up connection, at least in my company, to an IBM database. When the results were available IBM would dial us back and return the results. Sort of like RETAIN for customers. We dropped the product when we migrated to MVS/XA because "free" BTAM was not supported under XA and we'd need to license BTAM/SP to continue to use the product. Since Info/Access was the only thing that needed BTAM in my organization, they didn't want to pay the monthly license charge for both products. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get&search=markjac...@protonmail.com On Saturday, January 11th, 2025 at 11:08 AM, Mark S Waterbury <01c3f560aac1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am curious about the history and evolution of INFO/MVS and related > products INFO/VM-VSE and INFO/MANager, > > Does anyone recall ever hearing anything about the history of the INFO/OZS > products? > > How and where was it developed? Who developed it? (which IBM offices or > labs?) etc. > > OZS seems to bear many similarities to IBM's internal RETAIN system used by > SEs, FEs and CEs in support of customer sites. > > Does anyone know if any of the design or ideas or code from the original > internal RETAIN system were used to develop INFO/OZS? > > I was just curious as to where INFO/OZS may have originated, how it was > developed, etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > All the best, > > Mark S. Waterbury > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Wayne Bickerdike
My condolences. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Vels <05bb014f92b6-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 4:13 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Wayne Bickerdike External Message: Use Caution It is with great sadness Linda Bickerdike and the Bickerdike family wish to inform you of the unexpected but peaceful passing of Wayne Bickerdike on Monday 6th of January 2025. A memorial service will be held at 2 PM AEDT (GMT+11) Tuesday 21st of January at Christ Church Geelong, Cnr Moorabool & McKillop Streets, Geelong. A live stream of the service will be provided on jhfunerals.com.au for those who cannot attend in person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
Especially when the single instruction is Update Tree :-) Roops On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, 14:56 Seymour J Metz, wrote: > You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed > program you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, > maintainability, change tracking. > > On the flip side, it is legitimate to write pages of comments for a single > instruction if that makes the code more readable or more maintainable. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of The North American Becker < > 0762a73125b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 1:39 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: The mainfeame is alive > > External Message: Use Caution > > > Ignore the last one, lol. I am a neophyte. > > https://youtu.be/z3Canfs_2Gc > > Nick Becker (HAL8943) > Trident Services, Inc > 319-451-8943 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
Paul Gilmartin wrote, in part: > X = 0;/* Initialize X. */ Tsk. And that comment, if it were real, would be wrong! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
CSVINFO/MIPR logic
Hi I am looking for the load address for 3 modules I code the CSVINFO pass as a parameter the module I'm looking for it returns the information since there are two more modules I am looking for I call the CSVINFO calling the MIPR hoping it will get the next loaded module However it (MIPR exit) presents the same load module How do I get the MIPR exit to present the next module in the JPA Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
If you say so. Looked like Rexx to me! (And yes, I was being pedantic--but I'd never have put a period on it anyway, as it adds nothing and wastes possibly valuable real estate.) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 12:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive That's PL/S, so the period is just punctuation. Stem variales are in Rexx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 11:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution Because it doesn’t initialize X. -- it initializes X -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 11:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive Useles, yes, but why wrong? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:56:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed program >you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, >maintainability, change tracking. > I saw a PL/S listing on fiche. Every source line bore a comment. I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated mechanically. I could write a macro to do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
When I was drafted into teaching a programming class I warned my student that I would take points off for pointless comments. However, the putting the source code into the object code as comments in the PL/S output does serve a purpose. Or are you referrin to /* ... */ comment in the PL/S source code? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:56:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed program >you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, >maintainability, change tracking. > I saw a PL/S listing on fiche. Every source line bore a comment. I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated mechanically. I could write a macro to do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
Useles, yes, but why wrong? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 8:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution Paul Gilmartin wrote, in part: > X = 0;/* Initialize X. */ Tsk. And that comment, if it were real, would be wrong! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
That's important, but so are things like entry conditions. permissible values, restrictions. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Thomas Berg <0619bfe39560-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 8:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution As I see it the important comments are those that explain WHY it is coded as it is. The only times I really wanted comments when there were none is when I wanted to know the reason for the coding at all or why it was coded in just that way. (E g when I was putting in changes in programs I didn't created and the programmer was not availible (changed job, retired or dead.)) Thomas Berg Den sön 12 jan. 2025 22:32Seymour J Metz skrev: > When I was drafted into teaching a programming class I warned my student > that I would take points off for pointless comments. > > However, the putting the source code into the object code as comments in > the PL/S output does serve a purpose. Or are you referrin to /* ... */ > comment in the PL/S source code? > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 3:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive > > External Message: Use Caution > > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:56:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed > program you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, > maintainability, change tracking. > > > I saw a PL/S listing on fiche. Every source line bore a comment. > I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. > And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated > mechanically. > > I could write a macro to do that. > > -- > gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
Because it doesn’t initialize X. -- it initializes X -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 11:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive Useles, yes, but why wrong? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
Or its brother Compare and Form Codeword :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 7:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution Especially when the single instruction is Update Tree :-) Roops On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, 14:56 Seymour J Metz, wrote: > You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed > program you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, > maintainability, change tracking. > > On the flip side, it is legitimate to write pages of comments for a single > instruction if that makes the code more readable or more maintainable. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of The North American Becker < > 0762a73125b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 1:39 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: The mainfeame is alive > > External Message: Use Caution > > > Ignore the last one, lol. I am a neophyte. > > https://youtu.be/z3Canfs_2Gc > > Nick Becker (HAL8943) > Trident Services, Inc > 319-451-8943 > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
That's PL/S, so the period is just punctuation. Stem variales are in Rexx. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 11:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution Because it doesn’t initialize X. -- it initializes X -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 11:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive Useles, yes, but why wrong? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 21:32:20 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >However, the putting the source code nnto the object code as comments in the >PL/S output does serve a purpose. Or are you referrin to /* ... */ comment in >the PL/S source code? > The latter. My memory exaggerates, bit some felt as bad as: X = 0;/* Initialize X. */ Others were just an empty /* */. The mechanical enforcement was weak. > >From: Paul Gilmartin >Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 3:31 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. >And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated >mechanically. > >I could write a macro to do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Wayne Bickerdike
Very sorry to hear this. My condolences. Steve Thompson On 1/12/2025 4:13 AM, Peter Vels wrote: It is with great sadness Linda Bickerdike and the Bickerdike family wish to inform you of the unexpected but peaceful passing of Wayne Bickerdike on Monday 6th of January 2025. A memorial service will be held at 2 PM AEDT (GMT+11) Tuesday 21st of January at Christ Church Geelong, Cnr Moorabool & McKillop Streets, Geelong. A live stream of the service will be provided on jhfunerals.com.au for those who cannot attend in person. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
As I see it the important comments are those that explain WHY it is coded as it is. The only times I really wanted comments when there were none is when I wanted to know the reason for the coding at all or why it was coded in just that way. (E g when I was putting in changes in programs I didn't created and the programmer was not availible (changed job, retired or dead.)) Thomas Berg Den sön 12 jan. 2025 22:32Seymour J Metz skrev: > When I was drafted into teaching a programming class I warned my student > that I would take points off for pointless comments. > > However, the putting the source code into the object code as comments in > the PL/S output does serve a purpose. Or are you referrin to /* ... */ > comment in the PL/S source code? > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 3:31 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive > > External Message: Use Caution > > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 14:56:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >You don't usually see a comment on every line. In a well constructed > program you only see comments where they add values, e.g., readability, > maintainability, change tracking. > > > I saw a PL/S listing on fiche. Every source line bore a comment. > I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. > And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated > mechanically. > > I could write a macro to do that. > > -- > gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
"Cargo-cult management", I like that! --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Q: What does the 'B' in "Benoit B Mandelbrot" stand for? A: Benoit B Mandelbrot. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 18:54 That sort of thing comes from cargo cult management. From: Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 6:06 PM The latter. My memory exaggerates, bit some felt as bad as: X = 0;/* Initialize X. */ Others were just an empty /* */. The mechanical enforcement was weak. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainframe is alive
AND WELL Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2025, at 01:37, The North American Becker > <0762a73125b7-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > https://youtu.be/z3Canfs_2Gc > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The mainfeame is alive
That sort of thing comes from cargo cult management. Be careful what metrics you apply, because people will attempt to optimize their evaluations at the expense of things that are important to the organization. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 6:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The mainfeame is alive External Message: Use Caution On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 21:32:20 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >However, the putting the source code nnto the object code as comments in the >PL/S output does serve a purpose. Or are you referrin to /* ... */ comment in >the PL/S source code? > The latter. My memory exaggerates, bit some felt as bad as: X = 0;/* Initialize X. */ Others were just an empty /* */. The mechanical enforcement was weak. > >From: Paul Gilmartin >Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 3:31 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >I surmised it was a coding standard, perhaps enforced mechanically. >And those comments likewise, might as well have been generated >mechanically. > >I could write a macro to do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN