OS/390 2.5

[Mark Wilson]

Hi Folks,

I have a client who is running OS/390 2.5 and they cannot upgrade their OS for 
many reasons, let’s just not go there!

They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst running 
OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the moment.

I know its old, unsupported, but we are where we are….

So, does anyone know? z9, z10, etc….

Mark

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Re: OS/390 2.5

[ITschak Mugzach]

Any hardware if running under z/vm. Some model issues may raised (like
reports more mips that actual).

ITschak

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Mark Wilson  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a client who is running OS/390 2.5 and they cannot upgrade their OS
> for many reasons, let’s just not go there!
>
> They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst running
> OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the moment.
>
> I know its old, unsupported, but we are where we are….
>
> So, does anyone know? z9, z10, etc….
>
> Mark
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Re: OS/390 2.5

[Wolfgang Fritz]

This should not be the only solution.
Check a product/company it is called lzlabs.
You can run all your software on x86.

https://www.lzlabs.com/


> Am 26.11.2017 um 13:57 schrieb ITschak Mugzach :
> 
> Any hardware if running under z/vm. Some model issues may raised (like
> reports more mips that actual).
> 
> ITschak
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Mark Wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> I have a client who is running OS/390 2.5 and they cannot upgrade their OS
>> for many reasons, let’s just not go there!
>> 
>> They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst running
>> OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the moment.
>> 
>> I know its old, unsupported, but we are where we are….
>> 
>> So, does anyone know? z9, z10, etc….
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: DB2 & CICS Training

[David Staudacher]

Venkat: Besides the IBM courses Timothy mentioned, there are also several good 
providers listed here:
http://linkd.in/2arLJqM - Mainframe Education
... Circle, Themis and Interskill are all very good.


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SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID

[johnnydeep san]

Hello all,

I did "SCDS BASE ALTER"  for adding a new system, getting below error while
trying to activating CDS. Please guide me

 "IGD049I ACTIVATE FAILED - SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID  CONFIGURATION "
.





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Re: SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID

[Doug Shupe]

Did you validate the SCDS first?
How many systems are in the SYSPLEX?

On Nov 26, 2017, at 11:37, johnnydeep san  wrote:

Hello all,

I did "SCDS BASE ALTER"  for adding a new system, getting below error while
trying to activating CDS. Please guide me

"IGD049I ACTIVATE FAILED - SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID  CONFIGURATION "
..





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Re: SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID

[Lizette Koehler]

First step is to look up the message and see if it helps

What steps did you take to add the new system to SMS?

Did you do a validate after doing your steps?

When was the last time you successfully added a system to the SMS 
configuration?  Do you have a checklist of what steps to take when adding a new 
system to the configuration?  Please provide them


IGD049I
ACTIVATE FAILED - {SCDS|ACDS} dsname IS AN INVALID CONFIGURATION
Explanation
An ACTIVATE request attempted to use the storage management subsystem (SMS) 
data set name, which is either:

source control data set (SCDS)
active control data set (ACDS)

If the data set is SCDS, the data set has an incorrect status because the 
configuration was not validated when it was defined or modified through ISMF. 
If the data set is ACDS, the data set is one of the following:

In error
Empty
Does not exist

In the message text:

dsname
The data set name.

System action

The system ignores the request.
Operator response

Notify the system programmer.
System programmer response

If the data set is a SCDS, validate the data set using ISMF. Reinitiate the 
ACTIVATE request. If the data set is an ACDS, correct the data set. Reinitiate 
the ACTIVATE request.


Lizette


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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:38 AM
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> Subject: SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I did "SCDS BASE ALTER"  for adding a new system, getting below error while
> trying to activating CDS. Please guide me
> 
>  "IGD049I ACTIVATE FAILED - SCDS SYS1.SCDS IS AN INVALID  CONFIGURATION "
> .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ++JD++
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my 
desk.  And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read 
ibm-main for a while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I 
think I could live in Barcelona - beautiful city.


Bill Wilkie wrote:

I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

bill

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:


Classification: Public
Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.



I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.



Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.



Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer

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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:


On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:


Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270




There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Yes, even though I don't do a lot of systems work these days, I still do 
logon to something every day.  And since I never learned to touch-type, 
my backspace and delete keys are probably the most used :)


Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:


Tom Brennan Vista?



We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most 
well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, 
etc. even x3270


I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and 
spoon...




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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day.  But you may not know 
that months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality 
that Skip would accept it".  So that day was the acid test.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked. 


But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different emulators. Even 
Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of purist than Tom. ;-)

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On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:


Tom Brennan Vista?



We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most well-known 
emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, etc. even x3270

I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for 
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just 
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install 
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me 
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.


Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

Classification: Public
Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks Dave.  I hope I can live up to that.

David Cole wrote:

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.

Dave Cole
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At 11/21/2017 04:30 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating 
in the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Wow... that's interesting, but seems to add complexity I would have 
certainly avoided.  I guess these days people assume servers are running 
and connections are available.


David Crayford wrote:
It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application 
server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.



On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:

IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO 
footprint 3270 emulator - 
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

I thought about it early on, but a user would expect that the HLAPPI 
program they wrote for PCOMM would work with Vista without any 
modifications, and even without a recompile.  Multiply that work by the 
number of other existing emulator products, and I saw it as a full-time 
job for about 5 people :)  Sorry, that was a can of worms I didn't want 
to open.


Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 11/22/2017 3:57 AM, Dave Wade wrote:


P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's



No...



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

In almost 20 years of Vista TN3270 support, I think I've had about 5 
people asking for graphics, and most were for "fun" (to play chess, 
display JPG images, etc.)  I don't think I ever had anyone ask me for 
something business oriented, such as a SAS graph.


My thoughts are that virtually all graphics have long-since moved to PC 
products.  I could be wrong of course.


Timothy Sipples wrote:

Personal Communications and Host On-Demand both support GDDM graphics, as a
notable/important feature. I don't think there's anything else on Linux and
Macintosh that supports GDDM except HOD.


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Re: DB2 & CICS Training

[Suresh Chacko]

Dear Venkat

You can find CICS and Db2 courses at Marist IDCP, Poughkeepsie, NY, U.S. 
You may contact Mr. Angelo  Corridori in angelo.corrid...@marist.edu.

Best regards
Suresh Chacko

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> On Nov 26, 2017, at 17:58, David Staudacher  wrote:
> 
> Venkat: Besides the IBM courses Timothy mentioned, there are also several 
> good providers listed here:
> http://linkd.in/2arLJqM - Mainframe Education
> ... Circle, Themis and Interskill are all very good.
> 
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote 
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in 
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I 
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That 
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were 
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.


And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I 
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be 
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I 
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers. 
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, 
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something 
like SHOWMVS.


Robert Prins wrote:

On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with 
PCOMM.


Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.



It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few 
annoying "features":


- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn 
you that the current macro will be overwritten


Robert


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Re: OS/390 2.5

[ITschak Mugzach]

ure Fritz ;-)

Mark, if your client goes the VM way, he need to be careful, the machine
might report wrong capacity and they will have to agree on capacity with
IBM and other vendors. I have a client that runs this way, and had lot of
issues with vendors and IBM.

ITschak

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Wolfgang Fritz <
016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> This should not be the only solution.
> Check a product/company it is called lzlabs.
> You can run all your software on x86.
>
> https://www.lzlabs.com/
>
>
> > Am 26.11.2017 um 13:57 schrieb ITschak Mugzach :
> >
> > Any hardware if running under z/vm. Some model issues may raised (like
> > reports more mips that actual).
> >
> > ITschak
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Mark Wilson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Folks,
> >>
> >> I have a client who is running OS/390 2.5 and they cannot upgrade their
> OS
> >> for many reasons, let’s just not go there!
> >>
> >> They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst
> running
> >> OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the
> moment.
> >>
> >> I know its old, unsupported, but we are where we are….
> >>
> >> So, does anyone know? z9, z10, etc….
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

The reason that Vista is so good is that I was actually user #2. Tom was #1. 
Surely the only emulator written from scratch by an 
experienced--professional--mainframe programmer. I did ask for a few additional 
features early on, but most of what I needed was already there, recognized--and 
provided--by user #1. 

If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy. Not a struggle, but a slight bump in 
the work flow. Just sayin. 

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-Original Message-
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Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day.  But you may not know that 
months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality that Skip 
would accept it".  So that day was the acid test.

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by 
> my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was 
> hooked. 
> 
> But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different 
> emulators. Even Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of 
> purist than Tom. ;-)
> 
> .
> .
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 7:50 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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> 
> On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> 
>>Tom Brennan Vista?
> 
> 
> We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most 
> well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, 
> etc. even x3270
> 
> I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...
> 
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a 
great time...

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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk.  
And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read ibm-main for a 
while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I think I could live in 
Barcelona - beautiful city.

Bill Wilkie wrote:
> I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
> support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.
> 
> bill
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
> behalf of David Crayford 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
> 
> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> 
>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
> 
> 
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
> 
> 
>>I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
>>remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> 
> 
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
> 
> 
>>Andy Styles
>>z/Series Systems Programmer
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
>>On Behalf Of David Crayford
>>Sent: 22 November 2017 05:51
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
>>
>>On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>
Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>>
>>>One word: x3270
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
>>maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
>>like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Well, it was planned well in advance of the breakaway activities.  But 
if anyone here is thinking of going soon, we had no issues at all. 
There were Catalonia flags hanging from balconies, a few flags of Spain 
in opposition, and that's about it.  But people do have strong opinions 
if asked: for example, when I talked about Barcelona with a guy in 
Madrid, he said, "They are not Spaniard."  Ouch.


Yes, we had a great time seeing the historic, super-artistic, and very 
proud people of both Barcelona and Madrid.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a 
great time...

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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk.  
And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read ibm-main for a 
while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I think I could live in 
Barcelona - beautiful city.

Bill Wilkie wrote:


I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

bill

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on 
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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:



Classification: Public
Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.





I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.



Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.





Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer

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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:



On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:



Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270




There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Registered in England and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500.

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Re: OS/390 2.5

[Rob Schramm]

OS/390 is still 31-bit only.  I know zOS 1.4 will run on a mono-processor
z13.  Definitely going to have issues with processor reporting for
products.  No ideas past there.  In for a difficult ride for sure.

Rob

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017, 12:59 PM ITschak Mugzach  wrote:

> ure Fritz ;-)
>
> Mark, if your client goes the VM way, he need to be careful, the machine
> might report wrong capacity and they will have to agree on capacity with
> IBM and other vendors. I have a client that runs this way, and had lot of
> issues with vendors and IBM.
>
> ITschak
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Wolfgang Fritz <
> 016acdc52809-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > This should not be the only solution.
> > Check a product/company it is called lzlabs.
> > You can run all your software on x86.
> >
> > https://www.lzlabs.com/
> >
> >
> > > Am 26.11.2017 um 13:57 schrieb ITschak Mugzach :
> > >
> > > Any hardware if running under z/vm. Some model issues may raised (like
> > > reports more mips that actual).
> > >
> > > ITschak
> > >
> > >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Mark Wilson 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Folks,
> > >>
> > >> I have a client who is running OS/390 2.5 and they cannot upgrade
> their
> > OS
> > >> for many reasons, let’s just not go there!
> > >>
> > >> They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst
> > running
> > >> OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the
> > moment.
> > >>
> > >> I know its old, unsupported, but we are where we are….
> > >>
> > >> So, does anyone know? z9, z10, etc….
> > >>
> > >> Mark
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Seymour J Metz]

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
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Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:
> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
>> PCOMM.
>>
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
>
>
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
> annoying "features":
>
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
> you that the current macro will be overwritten
>
> Robert

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Seymour J Metz]

There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
are based on X11.


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.

Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> Classification: Public
> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:06:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
>are based on X11.
>
Lots:  https://renewablepcs.wordpress.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce/

Ubuntu is reportedly trying to veer away from X11.  I don't think it's time for 
that,
given the pervasive availablity of X11 servers.
__
>From: Tom Brennan
>Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:18 PM
>
>At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
>free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  ...

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  Oh, 
I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me - 
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).


Seymour J Metz wrote:

There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
are based on X11.


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.

Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:


Classification: Public
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Years ago I was getting help from Greg Price (who seemed to know more 
about 3270 protocol than anybody on the planet) to implement PSS which I 
called GDDM graphics.  I don't know anything about APA.


Let's see if I have the definitions correct:

PSS = Programmed Symbol Set, the host creates little bitmaps the same 
size as each character cell, and sends them to the terminal.  Once they 
all arrive, the host then sends characters that point to each one of 
those new symbols as needed to "draw" lines and arcs and whatever on the 
screen.  I remember seeing real 3279's go crazy with "static" for a few 
seconds prior to displaying a graphic screen, and I bet that was during 
the process of loading the programmed symbols.


APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
on the screen to be set by the host.  I assume that means I could send 
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
just send an entire block of bits to the screen.  And I think I read 
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
emulators.


Seymour J Metz wrote:

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:39 PM
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Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:


On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:



I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.



It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
annoying "features":

- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
you that the current macro will be overwritten

Robert



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

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GNOME uses GTK+, which uses X11. KDE uses QT, which uses X11.


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Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  Oh,
I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me -
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).

Seymour J Metz wrote:
> There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
> are based on X11.
>
>
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
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> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:18 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
>
> Hi Andy...
>
> At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
> free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
> recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
> GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
> to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.
>
> Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>
>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
>>
>
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Re: Source of SYSLOAVG value in RMF3

[Roger Lowe]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 01:33:40 +, Graham Harris  wrote:

>Would anyone happen to know where the "SYSLOAVG" (stands for 'system load
>average') value in RMF3 comes from?
>I think it is also known as the WEB queue.
>
>I have ploughed through the data areas manuals, and cant see any obvious
>candidate control block at an LPAR level, but i may not be searching for
>the right thing, and it may not actually be a control block in its own
>right anyway.
>
>From what i have seen in the data areas, I have a nasty suspicion is that
>each address space may have its own WEB queue, and RMF may perhaps be
>amalgamating them to give a system-wide view (which is what I am
>specifically interested in, but want it at a much finer granularity than
>RMF3 can give).
>
>Any info gratefully received.
>
In IPCS, try issuing IPCS IEAVWEBI and see if that gives you the info that you 
might be after 

Hope that helps.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Andrew Rowley]

On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy.


A right mouse click on one of the slashes in the name works for me.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 11/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  
Oh, I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for 
me - X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated 
opinion). 


They're all *on top of* the X Windowing System originally from MIT, 
usually the Xenocara cut these days.


GTK+ and Qt are *class libraries* implemented in terms of X.

Gnome and KDE, etc., are Windowing Managers (which are pluggable in X) 
and associated Desktop Suites.


Additionally, Gnome and KDE use data buses external to the X Windowing 
System to do their magic.


Writing a new substantial GUI application? Program in Java and Swing.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I'll be hornswoggled. ;-)

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On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be 
> welcome: handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could 
> capture an MVS data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse 
> click. UNIX file names require Highlight followed by Copy.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

On 27/11/2017 9:52 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  
Oh, I assumed all GUI's were X11. If GNOME is not, that's a plus for 
me - X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated 
opinion). 


They're all *on top of* the X Windowing System originally from MIT, 
usually the Xenocara cut these days.




Qt , GTK+ etc can also use Wayland, a popular alternative to X11. For 
android and embedded devices there are alternative libraries that call DRI.



GTK+ and Qt are *class libraries* implemented in terms of X.

Gnome and KDE, etc., are Windowing Managers (which are pluggable in X) 
and associated Desktop Suites.


Additionally, Gnome and KDE use data buses external to the X Windowing 
System to do their magic.


Writing a new substantial GUI application? Program in Java and Swing.



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

That might work some of the time, but it's just by chance.  The function 
really needs some work and testing and thinking.  The thinking is the 
hardest part, especially after I put a TV near my desk.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

I'll be hornswoggled. ;-)

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Subject: (External):Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:


If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy.



A right mouse click on one of the slashes in the name works for me.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Edward Finnell]

Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember graphics 
on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic couplers no less. 
Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 5088. Haven't looked 
in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for graphics support. 
 
Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a 
talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. Don't 
remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
 
In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
t...@tombrennansoftware.com writes:

 
APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send 
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read 
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
emulators.

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Re: OS/390 2.5

[Timothy Sipples]

Mark Wilson wrote:
>They have asked what is the latest z Hardware they can use whilst running
>OS/390 2.5, but I am struggling to find any info out there at the moment.

I'm puzzled why an upgrade is not possible, but, to answer your question
directly, none of IBM's z/Architecture machines (z900 and later) ever
officially supported OS/390 2.5. The IBM z900 only went as far back as
OS/390 2.6. The most recent machines that officially supported OS/390 2.5
are G5 and G6 machines that were state-of-the-art 17+ years ago (Machine
Type 9672 G5 and G6 processors). Small, late era 31-bit machines that
supported OS/390 2.5 included the IBM Multiprise 3000 (Machine Type 7060)
and IBM S/390 Integrated Server (Machine Type 3006). IBM R/390, P/390, and
P/390E cards also officially supported OS/390 2.5. (The IBM S/390
Integrated Server uses the P/390E card.)

Unofficially, there was a report back in 2009 in this forum that OS/390 2.4
IPL'ed under z/VM 5.3 on an IBM z990 machine. There were some restrictions
(512MB memory or less, 1 CP only, and a special z/VM setting).

CAUTION: OS/390, 31-bit z/OS, and their ancestors must be licensed to the
full capacity of the physical machine. They also "contaminate" a machine
from a licensing point of view. If there's any pre-64-bit MVS family
operating system running on the machine, then any 64-bit z/OS -- and all
IBM products on both the pre-64-bit MVS family and 64-bit z/OS operating
systems -- are also charged at the full physical machine capacity. IBM's
sub-capacity z/OS licensing (WLC and successors) only applies when the
entire machine is free of 31-bit z/OS and its ancestors. z/OS 1.5 was the
last release that was capable of starting in ESA (31-bit) mode, although it
could IPL in 64-bit mode on compatible z/Architecture machines.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z and LinuxONE, AP/GCG/MEA
E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: OS/390 2.5

[Brian Westerman]

I have done a lot of these types of conversions, strangely enough, the biggest 
jump I have ever performed (so far) was just this year at a small local 
government site that was still running MVS/ESA who moved to zOS 2.2, they were 
running on a 4381 and migrated to a z13s.  The total outage was about 4 hours 
only because I had to copy (ALL of) the DISK volumes to tape and then back to 
disk on the go-live day, but it could have been much less had they allowed me 
to stage things a little differently.  The hardest part was making the volume 
copies under MVS/ESA that could still be read on z/OS.   I ended up writing a 
program to to the full pack backups and restores.  DASD to DASD would have been 
much better, but they had REAL 3350's and 3380's and only FICON RAID on the new 
system.  That was a real test of the process.:)

Any way, your client can run OS/390 2.5 on a z800 (not an 890) which supports 
OS/390 through z/OS 1.13.  They (the z/800's) are still readily available, but 
it doesn't really place them anywhere for a step up from there because the 
newest software they can run on the z800 is z/OS 1.13.  It would however allow 
them to run both OS/390 and z/OS on the same physical processor, but it's not 
the way I would plan the conversion, there are too many places to get caught up 
in wasting a lot of time.

VM is actually not a good idea for them either unless they want to remain at 
OS/390 for a long time and don't plan on EVER moving up to z/OS.  They are 
probably paying more to run OS/390 than they would for z/OS so they should have 
an incentive to migrate.  There are some known (solvable) issues with running 
OS/390 under z/VM (they have to use an "older" version), and if they have not 
converted from OS/390 to z/OS by now, I doubt they will look favorably on z/VM 
and the people-training time to get to that point, (and keep it there), and the 
costs will still be much higher for OS/390 on the larger box plus they will 
have to add the cost of z/VM and new hardware (DASD etc.) on top of that.  It's 
a lot more money than almost any other alternative, and takes longer to 
implement as well.

Probably, the next (and cheapest step) for them is the one I have performed 
several times in the past, which is to install a new little box (in this case 
the cheapest "new" box would likely be a z13s which would give them better 
pricing overall for the first 3 years and maintenance for the hardware is free 
as well for a couple years which should sound nice to them after what they 
probably pay to keep their old machine running now) and convert directly from 
OS/390 2.5 to z/OS 2.2 (or 2.3).  

The above assumes they have DASD that will allow them to connect to the z13s 
2965-N10 (single processor A01 at about 10MSU (~80MIPS)), if they are running 
with internal DASD or direct ESCON DASD (which they probably are) then the best 
bet is either replace it (not that costly if they don't go brand new and get 
one that supports ESCON and FICON, or get a used/new converter) or get a used 
z114 instead of the z13s (there are actually several viable alternatives that 
could make sense depending on their current hardware).  The cost for the z114 
is lower than the z13s, but they won't get the reduced cost for the software 
and the hardware maintenance would be cheaper than now, but a z13s would be 
free for maintenance at first.  When you compare the total cost over a couple 
years, the z13s tends to be a better cost-wise alternative, not to mention that 
it's going to be able to support them for quite a while with anything IBM 
decides to change to.

The process is fairly painless and I typically have the new OS installed in 
about a week, (3 if you count the two week order time from IBM) and the 
conversion from OS/390 to z/OS (probably 2.2 in this case) is normally between 
30 to 90 days, depending on how much they are using/depending on home-grown 
exits and how many things (exits, mods, zaps, etc.) I have to reproduce without 
existing source code.

It's fairly easy and painless for the client, but that's probably because I 
have done this type of conversion many times already so there aren't really 
many surprises for me any more.  

The biggest issue (for EVERYONE) is when they have old "vendor" software from 
places that simply don't exist any more and the software doesn't support 
new(er) levels of the OS.  In cases like that I have a (really) long list of 
just about every vendor product and how to get them to "work" under newer OS 
versions.  In some cases I have had to dumb down z/OS or create an environment 
under z/OS that mimics the older runtime code, but I have found that there is 
(almost) always a way to make it work safely.  Some products are just harder 
than others to get them settled down, but having done this a lot of times, I 
have all of the tricks and alternatives so there aren't many unknowns.

If they are dead-set to stay as OS/390 2.5, then a z/800 is pretty much their 
only exis

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Ha... max users=6 :)  Sounds a bit like my first computer-related job. 
Around 1979 I asked to be moved across the hall from the manual map 
drafting department (ink on silk) to the new graphic computers.  We had 
10 stations running sold by this company: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computervision


The displays were storage scopes, and you could see the computer draw a 
very bright temporary line on the green phosphor which then "stuck" as a 
charged image, but not nearly as bright as the original flash.  Lines 
(and multiple lines that approximated arcs) accumulated on the screen 
until the drawing was complete.  To erase something, the computer would 
flash a high voltage to the screen that erased everything, and then it 
repainted the entire image all over again (minus what was erased).  You 
had to have the patience of a saint.


Edward Finnell wrote:
Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for graphics support. 
 
Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
 
In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, t...@tombrennansoftware.com writes:


 
APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send 
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read 
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
emulators.


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Martin Packer]

At UCL in the early 1980’s we had Tektronix graphics terminals that were 
exactly as you said. Exotic and scarce devices, fun to watch :-) , compared to 
the character-based terminals we all had access to. (This on GEC 4000 series 
mainframes.)

Martin Packer

> On 27 Nov 2017, at 06:11, Tom Brennan  wrote:
> 
> Ha... max users=6 :)  Sounds a bit like my first computer-related job. 
> Around 1979 I asked to be moved across the hall from the manual map 
> drafting department (ink on silk) to the new graphic computers.  We had 
> 10 stations running sold by this company: 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Computervision&d=DwICaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=2_lduX0-vYU99tSZtC52Ob1_aDt3vfQtzlP2AxWzxjo&s=cUauBLOMke6VZSYZiT-RBVff3iRWsbEMpLk-a6M1Ys0&e=
> 
> The displays were storage scopes, and you could see the computer draw a 
> very bright temporary line on the green phosphor which then "stuck" as a 
> charged image, but not nearly as bright as the original flash.  Lines 
> (and multiple lines that approximated arcs) accumulated on the screen 
> until the drawing was complete.  To erase something, the computer would 
> flash a high voltage to the screen that erased everything, and then it 
> repainted the entire image all over again (minus what was erased).  You 
> had to have the patience of a saint.
> 
> Edward Finnell wrote:
>> Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember 
>> graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic 
>> couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 
>> 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for 
>> graphics support. 
>> 
>> Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a 
>> talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. 
>> Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
>> 
>> In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
>> t...@tombrennansoftware.com writes:
>> 
>> 
>> APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
>> on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send 
>> special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
>> just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read 
>> this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
>> emulators.
>> 
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