Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many > variables that have to come in to play... > > On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote: >> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache >> provider :( >> >> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out >> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make >> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself? >> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there. >> >> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >>> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see >>> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details. >>> >> -- Galder Zamarreño Sr. Software Engineer Infinispan, JBoss Cache ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache is the default now. IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at least that's how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen it, it must be good". It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode without configuration, to keep it as simple as possible for beginners. 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno : > Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship > a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about > putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using > Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" > > On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many >> variables that have to come in to play... >> >> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote: >>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache >>> provider :( >>> >>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out >>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make >>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself? >>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there. >>> >>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details. >>> > > -- > Galder Zamarreño > Sr. Software Engineer > Infinispan, JBoss Cache > ___ > infinispan-dev mailing list > infinispan-...@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev > ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which to use. On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache is > the default now. > > IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at > least that's > how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen > it, it must be good". > > It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode > without configuration, > to keep it as simple as possible for beginners. > > 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno : > > Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship > > a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about > > putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using > > Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" > > > > On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > >> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many > >> variables that have to come in to play... > >> > >> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote: > >>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache > >>> provider :( > >>> > >>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out > >>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make > >>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself? > >>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there. > >>> > >>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see > http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details. > > >>> > > > > -- > > Galder Zamarreño > > Sr. Software Engineer > > Infinispan, JBoss Cache > > ___ > > infinispan-dev mailing list > > infinispan-...@lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev > > -- Steve Ebersole Hibernate.org ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
2009/9/9 Steve Ebersole : > Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which to > use. oh, I'm sorry. There are lots of articles online saying that ehcache is the default; did this change recently or have they always been wrong? Wouldn't it make sense to make Infinispan the default? > > On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote: >> I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache is >> the default now. >> >> IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at >> least that's >> how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen >> it, it must be good". >> >> It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode >> without configuration, >> to keep it as simple as possible for beginners. >> >> 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno : >> > Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship >> > a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about >> > putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using >> > Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" >> > >> > On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >> >> We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many >> >> variables that have to come in to play... >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote: >> >>> Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the Infinispan cache >> >>> provider :( >> >>> >> >>> Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure out >> >>> what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do you make >> >>> such decision based on any performance test or the configuration itself? >> >>> My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider out there. >> >>> >> >>> On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see >> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details. >> >> >>> >> > >> > -- >> > Galder Zamarreño >> > Sr. Software Engineer >> > Infinispan, JBoss Cache >> > ___ >> > infinispan-dev mailing list >> > infinispan-...@lists.jboss.org >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev >> > > -- > Steve Ebersole > Hibernate.org > > ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
Let me say it for the third time (complementing Steve's first two). There is no default cache provider, a user has to chose one. One of the reasons for this move was that the JPA TCK was having issues with cache systems and multiple initializations. On 9 sept. 09, at 18:58, Steve Ebersole wrote: > Again, there is no default cache provider. Users must decide which to > use. > > On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 11:42 -0500, Sanne Grinovero wrote: >> I'd like to see Infinispan as default cache provider, AFAIK ehcache >> is >> the default now. >> >> IMHO the default is to some extend a recommendation to the users, at >> least that's >> how I perceived it when I was new to hibernate: "if they have chosen >> it, it must be good". >> >> It would need however to be able to work at least in single-vm mode >> without configuration, >> to keep it as simple as possible for beginners. >> >> 2009/9/9 Galder Zamarreno : >>> Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version >>> you ship >>> a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what >>> about >>> putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using >>> Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" >>> >>> On 08/31/2009 06:02 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: We do not make any cache integration the default. There are too many variables that have to come in to play... On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 17:55 +0200, Galder Zamarreno wrote: > Bugger, this was released hours before I committed the > Infinispan cache > provider :( > > Steve, let's catch up before next 3.5 release in order to figure > out > what's needed to make Infinispan the default cache provider. Do > you make > such decision based on any performance test or the configuration > itself? > My aim is to make Infinispan the best 2nd level cache provider > out there. > > On 08/21/2009 06:43 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote: >> Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 has been released. Please see >> http://in.relation.to/12153.lace for details. >> > >>> >>> -- >>> Galder Zamarreño >>> Sr. Software Engineer >>> Infinispan, JBoss Cache >>> ___ >>> infinispan-dev mailing list >>> infinispan-...@lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/infinispan-dev >>> > -- > Steve Ebersole > Hibernate.org > > ___ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] [infinispan-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
On 09/09/2009 01:09 PM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > 2009/9/9 Steve Ebersole: >> Again, there is no default cache provider. Â Users must decide which to >> use. > > oh, I'm sorry. There are lots of articles online saying that ehcache > is the default; > did this change recently or have they always been wrong? It is the *de facto* cache provider b/c it is easy to configure, relatively fast and ships with Hibernate. People twist this to mean that it is the default which any Hibernate user will quickly find out is not the case. -CB ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate 3.5.0.Beta-1 released
As another Hibernate cache provider also aiming to be "the best Hibernate second level cache provider" out there, I would be a bit upset by having one anointed in the code as the default. Thank you Steve and Emmanuel for being the voice of reason. Alex Miller Terracotta/Ehcache On 09/09/2009 17:35 PM, Galder Zamarreno wrote: > > Steve, taking in account that at least in the community version you ship > a few different cache providers (correct me if I'm wrong), what about > putting something in the Hibernate docs where you recommend using > Infinispan? i.e. "Infinispan is the recommended 2LC provider" > ___ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev
